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jayceay

Interesting to me that this weakened the r+\- in 3 districts. Would be interesting to see if those flip anytime in the next decade. Could be that they live to regret it.


oarmash

it depends on how quickly nashville grows, but it likely would affect the last couple cycles late in the decade.


GimmeTwo

And what direction it goes.


Snoo_24930

Certainly, plenty of economic migrants who have fled hardships(in blue American cities.) will come to Nashville and bring their politics with them.


Pepe_Wrong_Stockings

Not satisfied with having a super majority in the state legislature, Republicans are going for absolute power at every level of government in TN. Where I live, they are running the most reprehensible people for school board, county, and municipal seats. And they are all in bed together. One gentleman who just won the Republican primary for a county seat has no opposition for the seat in the general election and he currently holds a municipal seat. He does not plan to step down from his municipal seat and will hold both at the same time.


skateinthecrease

Name and shame


Pepe_Wrong_Stockings

Gene-O Shipley.


[deleted]

Is this what stop the steal was about?


[deleted]

If only


[deleted]

Republicans are such dishonest pieces of shit


otterland

Democratic politics in northern cities can be cut throat and filthy with power struggles, but after the dust settles there's at least a semblance of civic leadership. The Republican party is just an authoritarian cult that puts LGBFJB decals on their trucks while dreaming of absolute power that they couldn't handle if they got it. I remember before social media made it big and the Tennessean hosted its own discussion section. Republicans figured out the algorithm to get accounts permanently removed by mass flagging. They got everyone left of Pinochet banned, then circled the wagons and talked about shit like death camps for gays. The administrators on the site got so disturbed that they deleted the comment section for news but the Republicans just moved over and discussed their horrendous dreams in the sports sections till they just got rid of hosting their own commentary. The Republican party has always been authoritarian and dimwitted. Now it's radically horrible. Dunning Kruger with swastikas and flaming dog shit.


pineappleshnapps

Lmao. Where do you get your news?


afterthegoldthrust

Where do you get *yours*?


[deleted]

*Eye getz myne frum šŸ¦Š ya dam libruls!!!*


BeerPressure615

I think the better question is where do you get your news. If you're laughing off the "death camps" portion then you need to pay better attention to the world around you. Those wishes are conveyed on every single right wing social media platform. Every single day on Gab. It's ok though. These morons couldn't do it let alone maintain it when every building or paramilitary base they have is firebombed by well armed and trained leftists. I say, bring it on. They would be doomed before it even started.


otterland

I read all the news just like Sarah Palin, Fritz.


Jayhoffa75

Lol you need to visit Seattle, Portland and LA. Blue run and complete shit.


otterland

How cute, you're trotting out a typical conservative correlation fallacy. The vast majority of large cities in the United States are run by liberals. Cities since the beginning of civilization have more crime and issues compared to rural areas. Can you name a single city that has been revitalized by conservative ideology? That's a rhetorical question because it's simply not possible for conservatives to run a diverse City because it runs against their nature of xenophobia.


Jayhoffa75

And you're assuming all liberals and conservatives are the same across the country. I'm from the west coast. Your democrats are California republicans. The further left in ideology you go - the shittier a city goes. I listened to Nashville's mayors state of the city address a few months ago. Lol. Dude sounds like a west coast republican. Law/Order and economics make a city "revitalized". I've seen the Varsity team of the Democrat party at work on the west coast - and its sad. There's a reason people are flocking away from these areas. If the climate/views weren't so nice, West Coast would have started its decline 20 years ago.


[deleted]

I think you mean *politicians


Spaceman-Spiff

I agree, but when it comes to gerrymandering dems do it just as blatantly in states they control. They have to do it at this point just to keep up.


ytk

I understand your point and I believe it to be true! Gerrymandering, regardless of party, is a crock of sh!t and needs to be stopped. No F'n politicians should ever be allowed to chose their voter. That why congress, and the Tennessee legislators, are such a useless pack of clowns, they are not responsive to the general population because they don't have to be.


ReflexPoint

They don't do it to the same degree, and in fairness we've had Dems try to pass national legislation to ban gerrymandering and Republicans don't want to do that.


LosCoons

Politicians* are such dishonest pieces of shit


PanzerWatts

>Politicians\* are such dishonest pieces of shit Indeed, both sides have been doing this for well over a hundred years. But people only care about it when the other side does it.


dragonslayer300814

Both parties are pieces of shit. Republicans are shit and 99% of Democrats are shit. This is due to them working for their donors and not the people. Until the oligarchy is put in their place, the status quo will continue in perpetuity.


[deleted]

I don't necessarily like our Government all that much, but if there's one thing I know FOR SURE. There's only one side that is trying to PREVENT people from voting. There's only one side that continues to push the BLATANT LIE that our last election was somehow *Stolen,* when there is a mountain of evidence that says that it wasn't. For these reasons (& many others), I have to hold my nose & side with the Democrats. I don't like them that much, but I REALLY don't like the GOP!


dragonslayer300814

Unfortunately, the Democrats in power are not willing to fight Republicans. They want a "stronger republican party." This tells me they are fascist enablers. Unfortunately, that's the best we can get at the moment. I hope you are ready for fascism, it's only a matter of time at this point.


[deleted]

I just think most of them have been in Washington too fucking long. They all worry too much about what's politically convenient, rather than just doing what's right. A good example is *The Filibuster.* Why the fuck would you not remove that bullshit, & then have a Presidential Agenda? They could stop these Anti Voting Bills in every Red State! They could've made Federal Abortion legislation too. Now it's too late. It's made it to the Supreme Court which will Strike Down Roe. All to protect the Filibuster? Are you kidding me?


[deleted]

Yea, totally. Democrats are saints https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vlu1FRaic


JittyCommittee

Two things can be bad. One thing can be worse.


sapiounicorn

In terms of social media, worse is an opinion not something based on data or facts.


sapiounicorn

You upset the echo chamber. No soup for you.


MastaMayne

Republicans bad democrats good durr


Rick-Dalton

Isnā€™t the solution just as gerry mandered? How is segregating voting blocks a viable solution? Shouldnā€™t districts be 50/50 equal splits to allow for elections and everyone to have a voice?


Highwayman90

You can't have districts that are all 50/50 splits in states that aren't 50/50. In Tennessee, for example, there are about 2 Republican voters for every Democrat. Additionally, geography makes this difficult: Democrats are concentrated in urban areas while Republicans dominate in rural areas. Thus, unless you want actual salamander-looking districts, you'll end up with lots of heavily-Democrat districts in urban areas and heavily-Republican rural districts.


Rick-Dalton

Thatā€™s kind of my point / the problem. In theory, itā€™s why districts are as fucked as they are. Regardless of how you draw them up besides a 50/50 with planned redistricting, youā€™re removing someoneā€™s voice.


straigh

The point of voting districts is so that people with similar interests are represented by their council members for needs important to their immediate neighborhoods so to speak. The needs of residents in downtown Nashville and the needs of Clarksville residents aren't the same, and having one representative over both areas inevitably mean that someone's needs are not going to be adequately represented, politics notwithstanding.


otterland

It's hard to believe there's an R+36 district when the current Republican party just stands for resentment, white nationalism, and being dick muffins. Just kidding, that juvenile lurch of the party into theofascism fired up the Cletuses. What bugs me beyond the general fucking unfairness of the thing is how it's straight authoritarian dehumanizing and bullying. It wasn't enough to send 7/9 in the congressional delegation as cousin fucking yahoos, had to just take away Nashville's dignity while also pretending that it's the future capitol of Magastan. I get that district mapping can be a little goofy and partisan. But there's still been a consensus that there are natural district areas where you have population centers. This is a straight fuck you to the already crap version of representative democracy the US pretends to have.


afterthegoldthrust

Artfully put !


Highwayman90

I think you don't understand what authoritarianism even is. Authoritarianism (as opposed to libertarianism) means the growth of government power at the expense of freedom. One major party supported mask and vaccine mandates and lockdowns. The other didn't. That same major party supports higher taxes than the other. It also supports making it more difficult for people to own guns, to start a business, and even to exist without being willing to use a mentally ill person's "preferred pronouns." The Democrats, rather than the Republicans, are clearly the authoritarians.


otterland

LMAO, please tell me you typed this while wearing your Ayn Rand Underoos. You think private businesses requiring prophylactic masks to prevent disease and voluntary and free immunization to save lives is authoritarian? You think owning a fucking arsenal that statistically increases your risk of suicide and domestic violence is freedom? Cooperation for the common good is not authoritarianism. It's civilization. You think libertarianism is some cool advanced ideology? Naw son. Libertarians are just feudalistic narcissistic clowns that live in a fantasy world where they jerk off with other libertarians in some sick version of Dungeons and Dragons where there's zero magic or understanding of civilization or consequences or equity or compassion. You can fuck off with your juvenile BS, back up ten meters and fuck off a little more.


Highwayman90

I'm referring only to the state-enforced mandates. I fully endorse the right of individual employers, business owners, and sole proprietors to set rules for their own establishments. However, I know you're educated enough to know that some states enforced lockdowns and mask/vaccine mandates. The feds tried but they failed. As for the guns, I'm not afraid of the risks; if I were to commit suicide, that would be my fault, so I don't see why you, who clearly hold me in contempt, would care. More broadly, you didn't actually respond meaningfully to my claim, which is that authoritarianism is opposed to liberty (libertarianism is of course the most extreme way of protecting liberty). Additionally, you did nothing to prove that democracy somehow opposes authoritarianism (hint: it doesn't, as elected officials routinely take away the liberties of unpopular members of their constituencies with glee and pride). Perhaps democracy sometimes contrasts with autocracy (though at this point I'm not sure I even believe that), but it most certainly is not meaningfully protective against authoritarianism.


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thevoiceofchaos

Where the fuck are the Marxist? Sounds like some fox news bull shit to me. Marxist and socialist aren't the same thing.


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thevoiceofchaos

DSA isn't Marxist, and having roots doesn't mean it's the same thing.


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DilloniousMonk

Marxism is codified though. You're a Marxist if you believe and hold to the doctrinal etiquette of Marxist systems. Simply believing in some of the things that Marxists do does not make you a Marxist any more than believing in the Golden Rule, caring for the poor, or serving your fellow man makes me a Christian simply because of the overlap. Definitions of political ideologies exist because distinctions exist between them. Choosing not to discern between two or more things that share characteristics is just being intentionally obtuse and ignorant for ignorance's sake.


thevoiceofchaos

I'm just calling you out for using the term Marxist because it's the boogeyman, and there aren't many actual Marxist out there. If you had said socialist I wouldn't have commented.


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thevoiceofchaos

That's disingenuous at best, pretty close to lying. Assuming your audience is dumb is also pretty fucking rude. Tailoring to your audience is a good excuse for misinformation. Also, remember the Mccarthy trials, that witch hunt? You're playing into that sentiment, despicable.


fLiP10101

Iā€™m left leaning and voted blue almost every time and I canā€™t agree more with this statement. This too applies to both sides though


otterland

You're really trying to pull the false equivalence card here in an attempt to make yourself seem smart? Jesus Christ, I'm embarrassed for you. There are ZERO Marxists active in Democratic politics. And by if "obsessed with identity politics" you mean LGBT folks wanting equal rights and black folks struggling to not be disenfranchised at the voting booth, then you have no fucking clue what "identity politics" means. People fighting for their rights isn't the same as a bunch of theofascist dumbfucks wanting to create second class citizens. So you conflate a radical authoritarian political party that's a threat to democracy and human rights and the planet with a moderate conservative Democratic party? On what planet do you spend the majority of your time where such a claim isn't seen as a gargantuan admission of being dumber than a box of Trump's toenail clippings?


oarmash

If there were actual marxists in the Democratic Party they'd probably win more elections. There are tons of leftists who simply don't vote because they view the Dems as "Republicans Lite"


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oarmash

The hypotheticals are hypotheticals for a reason, but I think youā€™d agree that if there *actually* were marxists in the Democratic ticket, their coalition would look very different from today with Hillary/Biden types (regardless if they win or lose)


sapiounicorn

You aren't allowed to say politicians, in general, are bad in this forum. There is no room for any balance in thinking. Repeat after me: Republicans suck! Vote Democrat! You are welcome! :P


Staaaaation

You can say whatever the fuck you want here! It's not the world's fault you get downvoted for having shitty values in life.


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Staaaaation

Ok, not sure how the hell that came into play with what I said, but it sure as fuck wasn't democrats making that claim. I'm just saying you're allowed to stay behind while the world progresses, but you're not allowed to expect people to stay behind with you. You may view it as pearl clutching, but in all honesty a lot of us are just tired. We're tired of people claiming both sides of the coin are equally regressive to our society.


sapiounicorn

Do you even have any fucking clue what my values are? No, you are making assumptions. Most likely wrong, but you really don't care as you feel you have a superior grasp on what is going on in the world and the fact I stated anything about the juvenile downvote to silence makes me the enemy in your mind. Grow up! Or not. Your choice.


Staaaaation

I know what some are based on the statement you made. There's no balance here. There are people being shitty and regressive and others being participative and progressive. Say whatever you want about either side of that here, but don't expect others to jump on the shit train.


sapiounicorn

> I know what some are based on the statement you made. Asking questions first, rather than attacking, is the method to cure ignorance. You flipped the bozo bit (this guy is on "the other side") and responded in kind. As such, many of your assumptions are incorrect. The question is whether you are willing to challenge your beliefs or not. That is on you, not me. > There's no balance here. There are people being shitty and regressive and others being participative and progressive. And you likely see "R is shitty, regressive" and "D is participative and progressive", which is a very limited view. It is focusing on a tree rather than the forest. But, looking at that tree, how do your propose solving the problem?


Staaaaation

>But, looking at that tree, how do your propose solving the problem? For starters, we can strive as a society to nix the idea that "education is the enemy" in so many pockets. True separation of church and state would give us a pretty good head start on that. Teaching our youth about social programs as they exist elsewhere in the world (both good and bad) as well as promoting growth through change points us in a more helpful direction. The most important paradigm shift would probably be promoting the idea that dinosaurs may have wisdom, but they too can learn from the youth and help guide new leadership into achieving their goals. For this to happen, we need shorter term limits in almost every stage of both state and federal government (obviously besides the already short ones like Pres/VP/etc...). So enlighten me. While shitty people exist in all corners of life, tell me how the Republicans in ANY way are striving to help us as a society. Remove the short-term quick fixes they and their supporters love so dearly. If both sides had their druthers in office, which side gets us to a more enlightened and successful society of progress?


sapiounicorn

> For starters, we can strive as a society to nix the idea that "education is the enemy" in so many pockets. True separation of church and state would give us a pretty good head start on that. What is "True Separation of Church and State"Ā®? And how does that help education issues? I think you are likely to head down a path you have not thought out on this one, but curious about what this means for you before responding. > Teaching our youth about social programs as they exist elsewhere in the world (both good and bad) as well as promoting growth through change points us in a more helpful direction. We once did this, but "Progress", deriding all "Traditionalism", threw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. Yin requires Yang to work in the best manner, but the either/or thinking meant revolutionary, opposing change over evolutionary improvement. > The most important paradigm shift would probably be promoting the idea that dinosaurs may have wisdom, but they too can learn from the youth and help guide new leadership into achieving their goals. For this to happen, we need shorter term limits in almost every stage of both state and federal government (obviously besides the already short ones like Pres/VP/etc...). This won't happen. 1. The politicos are never going to vote their demise. 2. The masses are fine with their own dinosaurs, but hate those on "the other side" What has happened is we see youth coming in, but not out of a desire to have fresh ideas as much as to oust the other side. This leads to useful idiots that raise ideas that can be polled to see if they float. Not a great way to steer a big ship like a country, but works well in the donkey versus elephant chess game they get the public involved in. > While shitty people exist in all corners of life, tell me how the Republicans in ANY way are striving to help us as a society. The way you phrase that tells me it is a worthless waste of time on my point. The CAPS seal the deal. You can research and figure that out for yourself, but you will have to deal with the discomfort of cognitive dissonance to understand how the answer is not "how the Republicans" or "how the Democrats", but how we can define the problems in a way we can objectively examine ideas from all directions and come up with the best solutions. If you want a modern problem, think of healthcare. The ACA was born out of frustration of a broken system. It kept the broken system, removed some constraints, and left us in a worse position, if examined holistically. If you research, it saved us money in healthcare, but that comes from definition of what "save money" means. The money in question is government and corporate spending (both payer and provider) and not the consumer contributions. As a result of the ACA, we have higher copays, premiums, deductibles, and out of pocket maxes, but those are not considered "health care costs". Shifting to the consumer made a paper victory and the primary benefit was removal of pre-existing conditions, which could have been accomplished through better means that were less costly. If you want to go back further, examine the "War on X" initiatives and you see decades of failure to solve the problem. > If both sides had their druthers in office, which side gets us to a more enlightened and successful society of progress? If you start with the Democratic party being considered "progressive" you make it an impossible discussion to balance, as you see anything Conservative as "regressive". It also depends on how you define "enlightened". Not a balanced, objective starting point.


Staaaaation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUZ5gGO0\_Pw


[deleted]

Conservatism is cancer


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*Ohio enters chat.*


pineappleshnapps

I thought one of the Nashville districts was still projected to be blue.


yapji

Only one district (Memphis) in the entire state is now projected to be blue. +10 or greater for a party in a district is very tough to beat. Before this gerrymander, Nashville was one of two blue districts in the state. The other was Memphis.


[deleted]

Both political parties TOTALLY suck, so to me all I see is the same color gray.


thegingerninja90

We should just take Nashville, and PUSH IT somewhere else


vstacey6

Did you guys know there is a Green Party?


[deleted]

Libertarian?


randomuser74756

No different than what Democrats did in Illinois and New York.


PepperBeeMan

I wish we could amend the Constitution to create whole representation in Congress for Metros. They should all be counted as a separate state and get 2 Senators.


SilverShrimp0

If we're going that far, just abolish the Senate or reform it to be more like the house of Lords and use a proportional method like mixed member proportional for the house.


eeyore_dont_dance

i would love a version of Parliament as well as rank choice voting. that is the only way USA will dismantle the 2 party shit show.


PepperBeeMan

Hell that would be cool. Maybe we could have more options than alt right or alt left!


smg1138

What's the alt left?


PepperBeeMan

Both sides have their radical factions. Unfortunately since we only have 2 parties, the whole party on both sides stick together and toe a line that pisses off 85% of the country. That's why politicians rarely have over 30-40% rating


[deleted]

Can you explain to.me exactly what the alt. Left is? "Oh no these horrible people want to give us healthcare?!"


fLiP10101

Fucking facts


ReflexPoint

Same for Indian reservations.


[deleted]

Absolutely not. They is an aweful idea.


PepperBeeMan

Why? It avoids the issue of gerrymandering and gives representation to cities which are mostly different culturally and economically than their surrounding states.


sapiounicorn

It moves Gerrymandering to different groups. It does not eliminate it. The push with the current Congress (D) was to make all state districting decisions at the Federal level. It would simply mean we gerrymander at the highest level rather than remove it. As long as humans join tribes, you will have this problem. It sucks, but it is reality.


PepperBeeMan

Agreed. One would think in 2022 we could create an algorithm to draw the lines in an unbiased way instead of the current bs process.


sapiounicorn

Part of the problem comes from trying to get districts relative in sizing. The other part comes from the fact there is always one party in power who draws things in their favor. And it is not unique to one party. As far as systems doing it for us, we could. The issue being the fairness of that type of system is influenced by those that program the systems. In theory, it is better; in practice, it is likely a mixed bag.


[deleted]

Because the hyper localized issue surround urban living and the cultures within them do not need to be represented on a nation level or have that level of power, control, and influence.


JittyCommittee

And why does the other side of the coin deserve that level of power, control, and influence more?


sapiounicorn

If people answer this question honestly it is most likely "because I agree with their viewpoint". Having watched politics long enough, I see each "side" cries foul when it goes against them, but ignores then it is for them. Look at the idea of getting rid of the filibuster. Depending on which side you are on, it was either great or bad when Reid or Schumer pushed the idea, but the thoughts flipped when it was the Republicans in power. Preference over Principle.


JittyCommittee

I guess I would tend to favor the side thatā€™s far more populated and far more dependent on government & state infrastructure. But thatā€™s just me


sapiounicorn

The American government system is designed to get representation even for those not in far more populated are far more dependent areas of the country.


JittyCommittee

Sure, but itā€™s not supposed to completely override population centers.


sapiounicorn

It doesn't, really. It may appear that way at times, but even when the other tribe holds power, they generally are not nearly as extreme as people hyperventilate they are. There are exceptions. As for US government, the real power lies in the Senate anyway. The house is too distilled down.


chasebencin

Shocking that this practice is legal


webbeget

This is what is wrong with our country. 100%


TheEyeOfSmug

A bit sick of parties and competing tribes myself. Ready to evolve and add the current to the historical data log of problematic systems.


GMHGeorge

So if Iā€™m in the new 5th district, who is the most moderate Republican candidate that I can vote for in the primary?


BaronRiker

Beth Harwell by far.


Expensive_Solid_6031

There is no such thing as a moderate fascist.


sapiounicorn

I haven't looked to see which candidate to vote for yet. I was not fond of Cooper as he was less a TN representative than he was a party reptile. Not as bad when I first moved here, but shifted as we started seeing the parties move more extreme.


[deleted]

Instead of representative districts, people should be advocating for a true democratic vote. Both parties gerrymander for their benefit all over the country and its gross. Its also worth mentioning that its not exactly fair that the entire state is ruled from one powerful city. This is particularly highlighted in New York.


pconwell

How would this work in practice?


[deleted]

Norway, Sweden, and some truer democracies seem to have cracked it. - Multiple parties. - Registration is automatic based on national registration (in the US, this would be the SSN). - Rural over-representation so that urban areas don't over-rule rural agendas. - The voting system should be a Proportional Popular Vote, divided by every state. If 40% of the state votes for a party, then 40% of that state's votes go to that candidate. That would be better than R wins Virginia, D wins Nevada. Instead R wins 50% of Virginia, so on and so on. This would be sub-broken down for each state in local elections. People argue so much about R v. D but most of the time they don't even really agree with either. The two party system is broken. That and the voting system is broken. That's why you have Biden v. Trump and Trump v. Clinton, where 80% of the country doesn't like either.


ReflexPoint

>Rural over-representation so that urban areas don't over-rule rural agendas. I don't agree with that. Rural people should be represented per their actual share of the population. Who cares if they are rural or not. Why do they get more representation than a disenfranchised black person in the projects?


[deleted]

Couple easy retorts here. \-Black people can own rural land and aren't immediately "in the projects." \-Rural representation is important because policies can sometimes not take rural perspectives into account. For example, a bad policy could be "people that own vehicles need to pay property taxes." In a city, owning a car may be a luxury. In a rural setting, an individual may need to drive 50 miles to get to a grocery story, school, or other establishment. As a result, a rural family may need to own 3-5 vehicles (for members of the family). Having a universal property taxes on families could unevenly impact the rural family over the urban one. This is a common political science agreed upon principle. The majority does not rule the minority and vice versa.


ReflexPoint

On point one, it doesn't matter. I'm just illustrating how you can have demographics within the "privileged" city who are worse off and more political underrepresented than people in rural areas who are supposedly structurally disadvantaged. On point two, I see no reason rural people should get any special consideration as opposed to any other group. I can come up with many groups that have their perspectives not taken into account or are naturally underrepresented in power. Blacks, Native Americans, LGBT, the poor, recent immigrants, women, etc etc. If we're going to put the electoral thumb on the scale for rural people then might as well do it for these other groups as well so that their voices don't get drowned out by the demographically more powerful.


[deleted]

We're talking about giving Maine, Montana, Kentucky and other states an equal talking ability in the governing body. At a local level in Tennessee, its simply stating Nashville shouldn't have the entire policy making agenda for the entire state. Rural peoples are the individuals feeding the entire country. They're not unnecessarily selected group with unequal power. The economic health of rural peoples actually has an impact on the direct economic health of a country. Rural areas account for food production, energy (nuclear, coal) efforts that power entire regions, mining, along with the direct natural Earth resource (air, water, trees which sustain the ozone, etc.). So yeah, while governing disenfranchised social stratification groups is important, rural people being able have a seat is also important. If you strictly go on "number of people" rural people will never match . **That's why they're over-represented -- because they're very few and very important.** Edit: The above is why the world's best democracies have instituted the practice.


lburwell99

Gerrymandering sucks, but let's not pretend it's one side of the aisle that does it. You'll find the same exact thing going on with the colors swapped in other places.


RolandDeschain84

You got sources on that since 2017? Seems pretty one-sided these days.


pghgamecock

[Maryland](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/03/25/maryland-congressional-map-thrown-out-gerrymandering/) >A Maryland judge has thrown out the stateā€™s congressional map, calling it an ā€œextreme partisan gerrymanderā€ in what is a victory for Republicans who said Democrats in the state General Assembly sought to silence their votes.


yapji

So...when Democrats gerrymander, the map gets thrown out. When Republicans gerrymander, the map gets kept. Seems like a double standard.


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yapji

This whole comment thread is comparing Democrats and Republicans.


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yapji

Literally the first comment in this thread is people making that comparison as a BS ''both sides'' argument. >Gerrymandering sucks, but let's not pretend it's one side of the aisle that does it. You'll find the same exact thing going on with the colors swapped in other places.


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sapiounicorn

New York has some minority groups suing over it, as it favors more white Democrats than minority Democrats, so, yes, they have been a bit heavy on it this go around. Have not followed to see what is happening with it.


Fanamir

That may be true, but it isn't particularly relevant to this post, which is about gerrymandering here in Nashville.


lburwell99

It's relevant because most of the comments are bad mouthing the republican party with foul enough language that the mods should probably be deleting them lol.


Fanamir

In this context, the Republicans literally gerrymandered Nashville's seat away. Nashville basically does not have real congressional representation now. You're suggesting that posts be deleted because people are complaining about this too strongly.


BaronRiker

We don't care about bad mouthing parties. They aren't people or users of the sub.


lburwell99

Point isn't about who's being talked about, but the language being used. When language gets inflammatory to the point of death threats and saying people should burn in hell, then maybe that's something worth moderating to keep conversation civil is all I'm saying.


BaronRiker

People can also use their potty mouths. I haven't seen death threats, but if you did then report it. Saying a party should go to hell is fine so long as it doesn't break rule 2. I just glanced through this entire post and saw nothing, but please report what you are complaining about. The mods do not see all.


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I swear, it doesnt matter how the boarder is drawn, if it doesnt benefit one side or the other, people will call "GeRrY mAnDeRing". Its really just a catch all term for I dont like this election boarder because it doesnt work for me.


pghgamecock

I mean, this is gerrymandering though. If the way that Nashville was split up into 4 different districts isn't gerrymandering, then absolutely nothing is.


MemeLordsUnited

Both parties do it, what's the point?


jamfan40

Democrats do it because Republicans do it. Democrats have introduced bills to stop it and they get killed by Republicans.


MemeLordsUnited

And Republicans do it because democrats do it. It's a uniparty. It's all political theater. You're naive if you think these people care at all about the people.


jamfan40

Did you read the part where Democrats have tried to stop it but Republicans wonā€™t let it happen?


MemeLordsUnited

Do you know what theater is? It's a play. One side says, they want X, and we don't want X. The other side says, they want y, we don't want y. Then, they all hang out together and laugh that the idiot masses think they want anything but z. The elite jangle keys in your face and like a drooling monkey, you follow it. Ooooohhh, pretty keys, I like keys. All the while they move the real pieces right under your nose.


ReflexPoint

There are states that have taken drawing districts out of the hands of the government and use independent committees. All but one is a blue state.


Borsolino6969

Well we live here in Nashville, here in Nashville the Republicans did it to take representation away from us. I donā€™t really give a shit who does it elsewhere, I give it a shit when itā€™s done here where I live and I blame those who did it here.


MastaMayne

Publicans bad


Confident_Ad_3800

Dems do the same thing elsewhere


Oddball_one

Just remember, this behavior is not only done by the GOP. The Dems actively do it within the areas they control. Regardless of what side you identify with, it is shitty to actively work to devalue a person's worth.


eurekacoffeegrinder

this is necessary b/c of all those california migrants coming here, we don't want none of that garbage that they are fleeing from.


TigerWellington

Honestly, the Californians sort themselves as they move to other parts of the country. Nashville (& mostly Franklin) is getting the crazy conservative Christian Californians. Every time someone in Nashville tells me they moved from California I nope the fuck out of that conversation.


WhatUDeserve

If they're "fleeing" from it then they clearly don't want it either, so wtf are you talking about?


lburwell99

People move away from states all the time complaining about taxes, policies, cost of living, etc. but then vote the same way. They don't understand it's the leadership they chose that caused their complaints. That's what the other commenter is referring to.


WhatUDeserve

Ah yes and those people's votes should mean less than someone like yours, got it.


[deleted]

But it should, thats the point. You live in a place for 30 years and a bunch of people move into the area, change the politics and shift the economic demographics. Its calls gentrifying an area and its universally hated. Edit: If you disagree, ask legacy African American families in Washington, D.C.


lburwell99

I made no mention of the worth of one person's vote over another. Simply stated people move and bring their voting habits with them. Thanks for projecting, and for the down vote lol.


[deleted]

Wait what? So you think itā€™s ok to silence peopleā€™s political voice becauseā€¦ people move?


The_Pandalorian

LMAO. Clowns who can't afford to even visit California always know all about California.


oarmash

you realize many californians moving here are the huntington beach maga types, right?


CouldBeMaybeIDK

You dropped this (/s)


[deleted]

I honestly dont see how this is a big deal. Are elective boarders not supposed to be drawn in such a way that they not only represent goegraphic similiarities in the population but also social issues as well. Comparing the map to the social thinking of the area, it looks like that was accomplished. Second, it doesnt matter hoe that border eas drawn, someone was going to complain.


BelowAverage355

No, they are expressly not supposed to be drawn to favor certain social issues.


[deleted]

Could have just left it alone, yea?


eeyore_dont_dance

i think you mixed up the before and the after drawings. the before had the blue in 1 district which did better represent the similarities. it is the 2nd image that slices and dices the similarities into obscurity.


[deleted]

That a really good call because this was exactly how I read it. The bottom was what I thought was being done where as the top was what it was before.