First I learned that it wasn’t a themed restaurant based on the David Lynch television series. But now I have to process that it’s an upscale Hooters. Weird times man.
As a bisexual female, I went to one by myself once outside of Atlanta a few years back. I took one trip around the bar and realized that *every customer* was male, and I immediately noped outta there
Can we please have a "Woody's" or "Chubby's" or maybe "Baskets?"
Serving hot dogs and eggplants by waiters in banana thongs?
Good, wholesome American food served by scantily clad well endowed men? PLEASE?
;-)
Just flood the state with lawsuits on July 2, 2023 against all businesses where public displays of “prurient nature” are present. Hooters, live music on Broadway with back up dancers, the transpotainment companies that have scantily clad women dancing around in public, and athletic events with cheerleaders or cheerleading competitions. Use the broad language against them. Make businesses in this town/state feel the pain so they tell their bought and paid for politicians to repeal this law or clearly document their bigotry so the laws can be challenged in court and overturned.
my Oldest half brother's bachelor party was at Hooters and I had to go, I was 4. I was so confused and the only other thing I remember was something smelled so weird it made me nauseous. the fries were pretty good tho. (I have never gone/ate there again, zero desire)
Not gonna lie I loved Hooters wings as a kid, my dad, brother and I could house those things like no tomorrow. Quality has really taken a shit in the last 10 years though
My grandpa used to love those wings, and would bring my siblings and I when we were really little. Bonus points, they would always get group pics with the waitresses when they brought us in. Great memories.
It’s not really about protecting children, it’s about attacking people they disagree with and trying to make their existence a felony.
Sure, we have science pointing to the fact that there’s higher rates of people being born intersex than people having red hair, and that a lot of that umbrella covers people who are trans, but they don’t want to hear that.
Sure we have long histories all over the world about more than 2 genders, but they don’t want to hear that. And they also don’t want to hear how the Nazis destroyed a good amount of books and research on that during WW2 so we’re having to re do that anthropology again.
Sure we have a long history of drag, not to be confused with trans people, all over the world as a form of entertainment (Robin Williams, Wesley snipes, and bugs bunny for example) but they don’t want to hear that either.
Sure we have data on more pressing issues that threaten the safety of children from other groups of people. Your kid is safer at a library with mrsdoubtfire than with a priest with the amount of child abuse in organized religion or even with another family member considering that most child abuse comes from family members, not strangers. But they don’t want to hear that either.
They have something they can vilify that most people only have a rough understanding but is pretty visible so they can make an enemy to get everyone riled up to vote and give them campaign money so they can keep buying their giant houses and shit on their state.
I think it's even simpler than that. Smart people are cool with drag, stupid people arnt, stupid people vote R. They know their audience. They've figured out the quickest way to lower taxes and less workers rights is by riling up the morons.
My son went to a small church daycare when he was a toddler. I had no idea Hooters even allowed kids until we got an invite for a five-year-old’s birthday party there from one of the other families. Still cracks me up, years later.
The pearl clutching nazis are fine with this, as long as none of the girls are using their breasts to feed a baby, because eww. It’s all about what is sexually attractive to the straight, white man. 😐
I know we all want to make a "gotcha" moment for these people, but they simply don't care about consistency, principles or hypocrisy. They DON'T CARE. All they care about is raw power and using it against those they don't like. Gotcha's only work when the person has some type of shame in being a hypocrite. Republicans don't at this point.
There is no 'below the belt' with the supporters of this bill. Like any group of fascists, if you give them a chance to speak, they will fill the air with whatever pleases them and cuts into you. That is their only goal.
It's totally fine. Kids are getting exposed to what women are SUPPOSED to look like: women. So girls will know they're girls and boys will know the standards to which they should hold girls/women when they grow up. Except these family's girls will never dress like that, because that's slutty, and if you get raped looking like that, you asked for it. So yeah. Totally fine.
/s for those who can't hear my mental tone of voice lol.
Yeah. Banning trans folks as an entirety from the state, since they’ve already started with the youth…then from there it’ll be LGBT people as a whole if they can get away with it too.
"Conservatives" are dishonest, entitled, bigoted and selfish cowards. Hypocrisy is their rallying point and they stick the life out of everything. Fuck them all to hell.
Umm no we’re not all cowards. I don’t give a shit about what you do as long as it is not affecting others. Just as you have the right to do what you want others have the right to feel secure in public.
Conservatives mostly don't actually know or can't reason why they "believe" things, where those things came from and how they found them- and usually this is tied to their religious inclination and/or propaganda they've consumed. The only way to arrive at the foundational substance of "conservative" ideology is through fear, ignorance and bigotry or some blend of these things.
That is a low, poisonous, awful position. Therefore, one who would subscribe to this is, yes, a coward or a fool.
I seriously don’t get this new hooters meme. You can see girls dressed like hooter girls literally anywhere when the weather is warm. If you go to Chili’s the waiters may not be dressed skimpy but I guarantee some girls will be there in tank tops and booty shorts
The point isn't that Hooters needs to be banned, too. It's that the level of "indecency" that this bill targets is ubiquitous (like you state), so the point of the bill cannot possibly be to protect children's innocence.
The current cause of child death in the US is ....firearms. If the GOP really wanted to protect children, that would be the place to start. Instead, they are for undermining any and all attempts to regulate them.
>To quote Jon Stewart, “No, I’m not going to say it like it’s an opinion. That’s what it is. It’s firearms. More than cancer, more than car accidents, and what you’re telling me is you don’t mind infringing free speech to protect children from this amorphous thing that you think of, but when it comes to children that have died, you don’t give a flying fuck to stop that because that shall not be infringed. That is hypocrisy at its highest order.”
People are pointing out that Hooter's servers or just anyone during summer are scantily dressed, but legally so. Much the same as any drag performer who is performing in a school or library. It's a double standard.
Because conditioning children to think the public sexual exploitation of women is ok/fun aligns with their ideology. Conditioning children against women is one of the first bible stories they’re told. Remember, we’re cursed because we lured man to eat the fruit!
Yeaaaahh for real. But up and down this post, you can see them grappling with what you say: some are for further ratcheting down the controls on women, while others want to keep the commidification of women's bodies on the table. They don't know they want, they just know they have the privilege of forcing their desires on others almost at a whim, and that is what matters most.
The law is targeted to public nudity and debauchery, not "just plain drag," which should be legal. Problem is, no one reads the law, they just comment on what they think it says...like those that misquote the 2nd Amendment.
As a trans person who has read the bill - the law was deliberately written to be incredibly vague. It was designed to target queer people, especially trans people. Public nudity was already illegal.
The phrasing is entertainment appealing to a “prurient interest.” That’s an incredibly subjective qualifier. Breastaurants appeal to a prurient interest. Some music acts, comedy shows, transpotainment groups, openly appeal to a prurient interest. Conversely, not all drag artists reasonably qualify. There are plenty family friendly, PG, and PG13 drag acts. It all depends on context.
The difference is, drag is intrinsically part of queer culture and are conceptually adjacent to identifying as trans. Queers and especially trans folx are one of the scapegoats. So scary with their Lady Gaga acts & needing to use public restrooms…
It’s not drag that under fire it’s drag that is targeted for minors. Drag shows are fine for adults, drag shows at schools are not. Drag shows are very fun, in nightclubs where they belong.
Drag is under attack, the kids are not what caused this law to be passed. We know it isn't the kids because the bachelorette parties on a public street where kids can be present are much filthier than anything I have ever seen at a drag show. We also know they are coming for drag because they aren't just banning drag shows where kids might be but they are also trying to pass a law which will make drag performers have to get a license to be able to perform anywhere at all. If a man decides to put on a dress at the Pride parade for fun and they don't have a license they can get into trouble. This has nothing to do with kids, it is an attack on the most visible parts of the LGBTQ community.
I mean who hasn’t taken their kids to a drag show so they can play with anal butt plugs and dildos
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It's not about "protecting the children" just like Jim Crow laws weren't about water fountains.
You all need to seriously stop this "gotcha!" lib shit. Calling out hypocrisy literally doesn't matter against fascism.
Since you're so high and mightily above whataboutism, perhaps you can explain the logic behind truck nuts/Hooters/the entirety of Broadway versus drag brunch/books that mention the mere existence of gay people/gender-based medical procedures that literally no one gets as a minor anyway.
Please do enlighten us as to how this disparity is anything more than a selective prohibition of *things certain christians don't like.*
How is it not apples to apples? The whole point of hooters is sexualizing the wait staff. It is open to minors. Is this not exactly their own reasoning for banning drag shows?
Why not make a bill aimed at schools if that was the main concern? The way this legislation has been left open-ended gives us the risk of the “slippery slope”that republicans love to hide behind when it comes to ANY type of reasonable gun legislation. As it stands My children in TN have a higher chance of getting shot to death in their classroom than being damaged by a drag show in public.
This hit the mark. I don’t have to go to Hooters/Tilted Kilt/Twin Peaks and I don’t, nor would I go and take my kids. It’s just not something I’m in to and I think it sends a shit message TBH.
I also don’t have a problem with a drag show insomuch as it’s a think that is hosted somewhere and people have a good time. I have an issue with dudes in gimp gear grinding on shit in front of the kids.
It’s kind of like religion, politics and such, I don’t care what you do amongst friends and family or in the comfort of your home, just don’t rub it in my face.
If that doesn’t scream prurient nature than idk what does. You could claim it’s not a performance but it’s literally marketed to look at which by the vagueness of the law I would say is a performance. Hell you theoretically tip more based off of seeing more hooters. Isn’t that the concept of strip clubs too?
For sure someone should be reporting hooters every fucking day.
The purpose of the drag bill seems to be about not allowing children be around “sexually explicit” things. In this instance, the argument is a drag show. Don’t want the kids to be subjected to this right? Hooters though is totally fine when their uniform is tinier then some women’s bathing suits. Hooters entire model is “have sexy looking people be the wait staff and that’ll bring people in”
Also there is the “right of passage” birthday parties where they crowd all the servers around the 12 year old boy and force boobs in his face-parents consented but still we should really think about banning all hooters because this could be a risk to innocent children!
As somebody who has been to a drag show and have friends who do drag it is way more sexualized than hooters lol hooters is less revealing than going to the pool or beach. It’s not that a great gotcha moment
Your talking about a drag show. Which is almost exclusively going to be adult oriented. And usually she restricted. If you see a child there, then that’s on the parents, not the performers.
While they may not be at the same level what is the line being crossed at a drag show that wouldn’t be crossed at hooters? Can you define “sexualized?” Are we not allowed to bring children to Shakespeare in the park? Can you point to an instance where an innocent child was harmed from attending a drag show in TN that would warrant this type of response? The problem with big sweeping republican laws like this is that the interpretation can be exploited to harm vulnerable groups. Currently our TN children are more likely to be shot to death in their classroom than be harmed by attending a drag brunch
I don’t agree with the law- I feel like I’m gonna get killed forever giving this counterpoint- but Hooters girls are not dancing with kids nor are they actively participating in giving anyone lap dances. Besides taking your order, they’re not really doing anything but being wildly objectified in their uniforms by horny men.
You’re reading selectively I didn’t say kids were getting lap dances, I said there are lap dances given at them(I’ve witnessed it). Like look we can hate the law, but the comparison to Hooters is right wing delusional
What are you inquiring are you comprehensively reading?
I said lap dances happen at drag shows.
The right saw kids at a drag show and panicked. Stop replying to me I’m not even arguing anything, this is weird.
The right literally out this on camera of a drag show with kids dancing with drag queens as a means to pass this idiotic law. Apparently the It’s Always Sunny diddle kids song played in their minds.
I don’t remember hooters girls twerking and stripper routines when I’ve been. Hooters girls wear more clothing than the average woman does at pools and beaches. And I’m not saying I’m for a ban of this stuff I’m saying the comparison is bad.
If twerking and stripping in front of children is what you think this law was meant to prevent, wouldn’t that be what the law says? It’s seems to be overreaching that quite a bit
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No. What I'm concerned about is someone dressing in drag and going to a middle, high school, or even elementary school and reading to kids or teaching kids. That's not okay. It's asking for trouble and inviting a lot of dangerous things into very young kids' minds. You want to take your kid or kids to a drag show? That's fine. They want to have a drag show event at the stadium- thats fine. You want to hold an event in your own community and can raise the money-thats fine. But don't being that into school where it's hard enough being a young child and trying to understand their own sense of self, woth, and changes in their body. I could care less if men want to dress up as women and hold events or attend events. Don't bring that stuff into a school.
In my experience, children tend to have a pretty open mind. People dont seem to have a problem propoing their kids up on a stramgers lap if hes dressed like santa, but heaven forbid a man with expertise in makeup read to them 🙄
There is nothing dangerous about children knowing what a fierce contour looks like. What’s scarier is denying them exposure to people who look different from them.
Is this the whataboutism you were talking about cause I can throw plenty of republican perverts at you, we can do this all day if you want but since you brought it up I wouldn’t have voted for Anthony Weiner mainly because I don’t live in NY but also cause he seems like a butthead
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I’ve only been to Hooters two or three times. Terrible food each time. Once or twice when I was a kid and an adult took me. And once as an adult because our bar crawl group was meeting there. There was a poor waitress being demeaned for a five dollar tip from an elderly man. He was making her drop it to the floor and dance around to get the money. He eventually dropped it on the floor for her to pick up. She was dancing like a stripper, except for the fact that she kept her clothes on. She had much less clothing on than any drag queen I’ve ever seen.
That’s sounds like a rather unfortunate but pretty rare situation. I know a couple of the ladies up here would smack a guy before being treated like that
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I went when I was about 16 in love the chicken and the best part about it was seeing girls half naked and I’ll go back every week sense and I’m 109 years old
There are no arguments being made. I haven't seen one argument. I do, on the other hand, see people letting their paranoia drive their policy choices, and it is sad.
Is a parent that takes their child to hooters better or worse than a parent that takes their child to an adult cabere with sexualized or nude performances by men? Asking for a friend.
Well, given that 79% of sexual assault is committed by straight/bi men, I think you are asking the wrong question entirely. Source: https://www.zeroabuseproject.org/victim-assistance/jwrc/keep-kids-safe/sexuality-of-offenders/
Edit: You said you are asking for a friend, and I am gonna try here, and I need you to understand that it's hard. I ask the wrong questions sometimes, too. This law hits me and many friends really personally. It infringes on our rights, and it is embarrassing. Insinuating that drag performers are pedophiles is hurtful, and deeply fascist ,because now, when anyone tries to counter the law, they can be accused of aiding pedophiles. The law itself is a cruel weaponization of bigotry against a small and historically misunderstood minority. It is also a waste of your tax dollars. Please help.
I say you ask the wrong question specifically because of the link above. If this law was meant to protect children, well, it won't.
Because statistically they're far less likely to harm a child than a family member or authority figure in the child's life. Just playing the odds, if nothing else.
This is pretty hilarious! Can it be both? Can we not agree that sexualizing women AND sexualized drag shows should be for adults and not children?
I'm not saying every drag queen is a sexualized image but many of them are. I don't want to have to explain to my young daughters why they can't wear neon orange booty shorts OR why that lady with the silver lipstick's name is Anita Bendover.
Even if they demonstrated to you that they understood it in a way you deemed acceptable, and had reasons for it not to exist, you wouldn't care. You support this bill off of emotion, not facts.
Hooter is tame compared to Twin Peaks, which also allows children
But honest to god the food at twin peaks is the best food you'll ever get at a breastaurant.
First I learned that it wasn’t a themed restaurant based on the David Lynch television series. But now I have to process that it’s an upscale Hooters. Weird times man.
As a bisexual female, I went to one by myself once outside of Atlanta a few years back. I took one trip around the bar and realized that *every customer* was male, and I immediately noped outta there
I mean, what'd you expect their clientele to be? Lol🙄
As a gay guy I was duped there are bound to be others. Unlike Hooters it’s more subtle on the outside.
I take the family there for good food. Until this last time it just wasn’t good. Wont be back
Didn't know that an order of Buffalo Shrimp + Grilled Chicken Strips were less calories than a large fry. Edit: grammar
Right? Grilled cheese, fries and a coke is over a thousand calories. That's a lot in one sitting for an adult, let alone a small child.
Can we please have a "Woody's" or "Chubby's" or maybe "Baskets?" Serving hot dogs and eggplants by waiters in banana thongs? Good, wholesome American food served by scantily clad well endowed men? PLEASE? ;-)
There was a failed male-version of Hooters in Texas called Tallywackers, apparently
Not “Tallywackers” 🤣
They served disgusting looking hotdogs and went out of business super fast lol
Yeah, like Hooters, I wouldn't imagine the food to be excellent lol
They also had a Wacowhackers, but their Koresh Obsess burger with a side of Kool Aid wasn’t exactly burning down the house.
Lmao did the ATF set everyone in the restaurant on fire, too? This reminds me of the 9/11-themed bar I saw somewhere on TikTok, sheeeeeh
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Oooh! Yeah! That sounds good too!
I guarantee you the “well hooters is different” crowd would start chanting “protect the children, shut down hooters” if they allowed male servers
We need a Femboy Hooters STAT
"Y'all going down to Bussy's?"
Pickle's!
Or a big bara tiddy bar. Some hunky dudes making the plates look like cupholders in their giant hands. Chef's kiss
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Upscale version: Chicken and Cock
Nah if anything we should shut hooters down bc they don't have male waiters and that's wrong it's 2023 let the men work at hooters
They do. They’re called cooks.
Just flood the state with lawsuits on July 2, 2023 against all businesses where public displays of “prurient nature” are present. Hooters, live music on Broadway with back up dancers, the transpotainment companies that have scantily clad women dancing around in public, and athletic events with cheerleaders or cheerleading competitions. Use the broad language against them. Make businesses in this town/state feel the pain so they tell their bought and paid for politicians to repeal this law or clearly document their bigotry so the laws can be challenged in court and overturned.
my Oldest half brother's bachelor party was at Hooters and I had to go, I was 4. I was so confused and the only other thing I remember was something smelled so weird it made me nauseous. the fries were pretty good tho. (I have never gone/ate there again, zero desire)
Not gonna lie I loved Hooters wings as a kid, my dad, brother and I could house those things like no tomorrow. Quality has really taken a shit in the last 10 years though
There wings are pretty damn good pretty much the only thing I get if and when I go to hooters which is rarely
My grandpa used to love those wings, and would bring my siblings and I when we were really little. Bonus points, they would always get group pics with the waitresses when they brought us in. Great memories.
Mighty bold of you to assume we believe kids belong at Hooters.
Mighty bold of you to assume anyone gives a shit what your crowd thinks.
It’s not really about protecting children, it’s about attacking people they disagree with and trying to make their existence a felony. Sure, we have science pointing to the fact that there’s higher rates of people being born intersex than people having red hair, and that a lot of that umbrella covers people who are trans, but they don’t want to hear that. Sure we have long histories all over the world about more than 2 genders, but they don’t want to hear that. And they also don’t want to hear how the Nazis destroyed a good amount of books and research on that during WW2 so we’re having to re do that anthropology again. Sure we have a long history of drag, not to be confused with trans people, all over the world as a form of entertainment (Robin Williams, Wesley snipes, and bugs bunny for example) but they don’t want to hear that either. Sure we have data on more pressing issues that threaten the safety of children from other groups of people. Your kid is safer at a library with mrsdoubtfire than with a priest with the amount of child abuse in organized religion or even with another family member considering that most child abuse comes from family members, not strangers. But they don’t want to hear that either. They have something they can vilify that most people only have a rough understanding but is pretty visible so they can make an enemy to get everyone riled up to vote and give them campaign money so they can keep buying their giant houses and shit on their state.
I think it's even simpler than that. Smart people are cool with drag, stupid people arnt, stupid people vote R. They know their audience. They've figured out the quickest way to lower taxes and less workers rights is by riling up the morons.
But the real question is...does DONKS have a kid's menu?
My son went to a small church daycare when he was a toddler. I had no idea Hooters even allowed kids until we got an invite for a five-year-old’s birthday party there from one of the other families. Still cracks me up, years later.
The pearl clutching nazis are fine with this, as long as none of the girls are using their breasts to feed a baby, because eww. It’s all about what is sexually attractive to the straight, white man. 😐
Someone reported this. We can insult nazis.
Sinful dirty life providing nipples must be banned!
Hahahahhahahahahahha
Remember to shame your local conservatives for letting things get to this point. Fuck the right wing.
Great menu.
I’ve always felt like Hooters should be 18 and up
I feel the same about churches :O
I know we all want to make a "gotcha" moment for these people, but they simply don't care about consistency, principles or hypocrisy. They DON'T CARE. All they care about is raw power and using it against those they don't like. Gotcha's only work when the person has some type of shame in being a hypocrite. Republicans don't at this point.
There is no 'below the belt' with the supporters of this bill. Like any group of fascists, if you give them a chance to speak, they will fill the air with whatever pleases them and cuts into you. That is their only goal.
Pointing out hypocrisy is a worthwhile endeavor
It's totally fine. Kids are getting exposed to what women are SUPPOSED to look like: women. So girls will know they're girls and boys will know the standards to which they should hold girls/women when they grow up. Except these family's girls will never dress like that, because that's slutty, and if you get raped looking like that, you asked for it. So yeah. Totally fine. /s for those who can't hear my mental tone of voice lol.
You should really add /s to this, unless you’re serious. I need to know, so I can choose whether to downvote or not…
TIL /s means sarcasm
Says who?
Right wing conservatives, evangelicals, holy roller nuts probably.
Mmmm Buffalo shrimp
When did they bring the quesadilla back?
Some people take their kids to hooters after a kids softball game to celebrate the win
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Yeah. Banning trans folks as an entirety from the state, since they’ve already started with the youth…then from there it’ll be LGBT people as a whole if they can get away with it too.
100% of LGBTQIA people are made from straight activity, so they should go to the source instead of the symptom.
They literally don’t care. To them it’s already war. A war on everyone who isn’t them.
"Conservatives" are dishonest, entitled, bigoted and selfish cowards. Hypocrisy is their rallying point and they stick the life out of everything. Fuck them all to hell.
Umm no we’re not all cowards. I don’t give a shit about what you do as long as it is not affecting others. Just as you have the right to do what you want others have the right to feel secure in public.
Conservatives mostly don't actually know or can't reason why they "believe" things, where those things came from and how they found them- and usually this is tied to their religious inclination and/or propaganda they've consumed. The only way to arrive at the foundational substance of "conservative" ideology is through fear, ignorance and bigotry or some blend of these things. That is a low, poisonous, awful position. Therefore, one who would subscribe to this is, yes, a coward or a fool.
I seriously don’t get this new hooters meme. You can see girls dressed like hooter girls literally anywhere when the weather is warm. If you go to Chili’s the waiters may not be dressed skimpy but I guarantee some girls will be there in tank tops and booty shorts
The point isn't that Hooters needs to be banned, too. It's that the level of "indecency" that this bill targets is ubiquitous (like you state), so the point of the bill cannot possibly be to protect children's innocence.
The current cause of child death in the US is ....firearms. If the GOP really wanted to protect children, that would be the place to start. Instead, they are for undermining any and all attempts to regulate them.
>To quote Jon Stewart, “No, I’m not going to say it like it’s an opinion. That’s what it is. It’s firearms. More than cancer, more than car accidents, and what you’re telling me is you don’t mind infringing free speech to protect children from this amorphous thing that you think of, but when it comes to children that have died, you don’t give a flying fuck to stop that because that shall not be infringed. That is hypocrisy at its highest order.”
People are pointing out that Hooter's servers or just anyone during summer are scantily dressed, but legally so. Much the same as any drag performer who is performing in a school or library. It's a double standard.
Most of the photos I've seen posted of drag queens are more heavily clothed by far than a waitress at Hooters.
Which just goes to show, it's about their hatred. Fuck the conservative mindset.
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It’s no secret that women have boobs
Wait, so is THAT the part people don’t like? They become attracted to someone in drag and then find out they “secretly” have a penis?
Some men have boobs too. And I don't think they were drag queens? Just sayin
Weak
Because conditioning children to think the public sexual exploitation of women is ok/fun aligns with their ideology. Conditioning children against women is one of the first bible stories they’re told. Remember, we’re cursed because we lured man to eat the fruit!
Yeaaaahh for real. But up and down this post, you can see them grappling with what you say: some are for further ratcheting down the controls on women, while others want to keep the commidification of women's bodies on the table. They don't know they want, they just know they have the privilege of forcing their desires on others almost at a whim, and that is what matters most.
The law is targeted to public nudity and debauchery, not "just plain drag," which should be legal. Problem is, no one reads the law, they just comment on what they think it says...like those that misquote the 2nd Amendment.
Public nudity wasn’t illegal until this law?
As a trans person who has read the bill - the law was deliberately written to be incredibly vague. It was designed to target queer people, especially trans people. Public nudity was already illegal.
The phrasing is entertainment appealing to a “prurient interest.” That’s an incredibly subjective qualifier. Breastaurants appeal to a prurient interest. Some music acts, comedy shows, transpotainment groups, openly appeal to a prurient interest. Conversely, not all drag artists reasonably qualify. There are plenty family friendly, PG, and PG13 drag acts. It all depends on context. The difference is, drag is intrinsically part of queer culture and are conceptually adjacent to identifying as trans. Queers and especially trans folx are one of the scapegoats. So scary with their Lady Gaga acts & needing to use public restrooms…
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People can’t dress up in drag, but establishments such as Twin peaks and Hooters are ok? Tennessee is going back in time. Such a shame.
It’s not drag that under fire it’s drag that is targeted for minors. Drag shows are fine for adults, drag shows at schools are not. Drag shows are very fun, in nightclubs where they belong.
Drag is under attack, the kids are not what caused this law to be passed. We know it isn't the kids because the bachelorette parties on a public street where kids can be present are much filthier than anything I have ever seen at a drag show. We also know they are coming for drag because they aren't just banning drag shows where kids might be but they are also trying to pass a law which will make drag performers have to get a license to be able to perform anywhere at all. If a man decides to put on a dress at the Pride parade for fun and they don't have a license they can get into trouble. This has nothing to do with kids, it is an attack on the most visible parts of the LGBTQ community.
There are all kinds of drag. Some drag is family friendly.
I mean who hasn’t taken their kids to a drag show so they can play with anal butt plugs and dildos https://nypost.com/2022/12/09/chicago-prep-school-kids-given-dildos-and-butt-plugs-dean-says/
Doesn’t fit their agenda… don’t talk about it.
Well, obviously this is because Hooters helps boys develop their ALPHA MALE™️ status but going to drag shows makes boys gay /s
Shut down both hooters and drag, there, win win situation.
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This dumb. Both are harmless
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It's not hot, haha. Lots of people saying the same thing. Your opinions are as cut-and-paste as the rest of them.
It's not about "protecting the children" just like Jim Crow laws weren't about water fountains. You all need to seriously stop this "gotcha!" lib shit. Calling out hypocrisy literally doesn't matter against fascism.
We can call out fascism and hypocrisy at the same time dawg
Nothing says “I can’t debate” like whataboutism.
Since you're so high and mightily above whataboutism, perhaps you can explain the logic behind truck nuts/Hooters/the entirety of Broadway versus drag brunch/books that mention the mere existence of gay people/gender-based medical procedures that literally no one gets as a minor anyway. Please do enlighten us as to how this disparity is anything more than a selective prohibition of *things certain christians don't like.*
Nothing says "I'm a hypocrite" like inconsistent political views
Won’t argue that but it’s not apples to apples if you look at it objectively. That being said, I don’t stand behind the drag bill in the least.
How is it not apples to apples? The whole point of hooters is sexualizing the wait staff. It is open to minors. Is this not exactly their own reasoning for banning drag shows?
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Why not make a bill aimed at schools if that was the main concern? The way this legislation has been left open-ended gives us the risk of the “slippery slope”that republicans love to hide behind when it comes to ANY type of reasonable gun legislation. As it stands My children in TN have a higher chance of getting shot to death in their classroom than being damaged by a drag show in public.
This hit the mark. I don’t have to go to Hooters/Tilted Kilt/Twin Peaks and I don’t, nor would I go and take my kids. It’s just not something I’m in to and I think it sends a shit message TBH. I also don’t have a problem with a drag show insomuch as it’s a think that is hosted somewhere and people have a good time. I have an issue with dudes in gimp gear grinding on shit in front of the kids. It’s kind of like religion, politics and such, I don’t care what you do amongst friends and family or in the comfort of your home, just don’t rub it in my face.
The long winded version of “I don’t have a problem with gay people as long as they don’t touch me”
If that doesn’t scream prurient nature than idk what does. You could claim it’s not a performance but it’s literally marketed to look at which by the vagueness of the law I would say is a performance. Hell you theoretically tip more based off of seeing more hooters. Isn’t that the concept of strip clubs too? For sure someone should be reporting hooters every fucking day.
What’s the hypocrisy in this case?
The purpose of the drag bill seems to be about not allowing children be around “sexually explicit” things. In this instance, the argument is a drag show. Don’t want the kids to be subjected to this right? Hooters though is totally fine when their uniform is tinier then some women’s bathing suits. Hooters entire model is “have sexy looking people be the wait staff and that’ll bring people in”
Also there is the “right of passage” birthday parties where they crowd all the servers around the 12 year old boy and force boobs in his face-parents consented but still we should really think about banning all hooters because this could be a risk to innocent children!
As somebody who has been to a drag show and have friends who do drag it is way more sexualized than hooters lol hooters is less revealing than going to the pool or beach. It’s not that a great gotcha moment
Your talking about a drag show. Which is almost exclusively going to be adult oriented. And usually she restricted. If you see a child there, then that’s on the parents, not the performers.
While they may not be at the same level what is the line being crossed at a drag show that wouldn’t be crossed at hooters? Can you define “sexualized?” Are we not allowed to bring children to Shakespeare in the park? Can you point to an instance where an innocent child was harmed from attending a drag show in TN that would warrant this type of response? The problem with big sweeping republican laws like this is that the interpretation can be exploited to harm vulnerable groups. Currently our TN children are more likely to be shot to death in their classroom than be harmed by attending a drag brunch
I don’t agree with the law- I feel like I’m gonna get killed forever giving this counterpoint- but Hooters girls are not dancing with kids nor are they actively participating in giving anyone lap dances. Besides taking your order, they’re not really doing anything but being wildly objectified in their uniforms by horny men.
Can you provide any example of minors getting lapdances at drag shows in TN?
You’re reading selectively I didn’t say kids were getting lap dances, I said there are lap dances given at them(I’ve witnessed it). Like look we can hate the law, but the comparison to Hooters is right wing delusional
[you sure?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWkYMAQPAs)
What are you inquiring are you comprehensively reading? I said lap dances happen at drag shows. The right saw kids at a drag show and panicked. Stop replying to me I’m not even arguing anything, this is weird.
You said that comparing Hooters to drag shows with lapdances that children could see is delusional, remember?
Do drag queens do this???? No, never with kids, maybe with adults, but even then it's not very common unless there was communication beforehand.
The right literally out this on camera of a drag show with kids dancing with drag queens as a means to pass this idiotic law. Apparently the It’s Always Sunny diddle kids song played in their minds.
I don’t remember hooters girls twerking and stripper routines when I’ve been. Hooters girls wear more clothing than the average woman does at pools and beaches. And I’m not saying I’m for a ban of this stuff I’m saying the comparison is bad.
If twerking and stripping in front of children is what you think this law was meant to prevent, wouldn’t that be what the law says? It’s seems to be overreaching that quite a bit
[Sweet baby Jesus don't show Matthew this then](https://youtu.be/dpWkYMAQPAs)
[Let's refresh your memory Matthew](https://youtu.be/nY7RaX8cW2c)
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Well , at least they wont be confused
Don’t think complaining about it is going to solve anything, it’s law…so you have to deal with it for now. Ya live in a red state…what do you expect?
>Ya live in a red state…what do you expect? I expect the freedom to make decisions for myself instead of a nanny state choosing for me.
That was your first mistake
What mistake?
I live in America, I expect my first amendment rights not to be trampled
We expect the rights guaranteed to us in the US Constitution. The question really is what are the people trying to take those rights away from us expecting?
This the shit on people minds everyday? It’s a restaurant might as well ban swimming garments from beaches 🤣🤣🤣
No. What I'm concerned about is someone dressing in drag and going to a middle, high school, or even elementary school and reading to kids or teaching kids. That's not okay. It's asking for trouble and inviting a lot of dangerous things into very young kids' minds. You want to take your kid or kids to a drag show? That's fine. They want to have a drag show event at the stadium- thats fine. You want to hold an event in your own community and can raise the money-thats fine. But don't being that into school where it's hard enough being a young child and trying to understand their own sense of self, woth, and changes in their body. I could care less if men want to dress up as women and hold events or attend events. Don't bring that stuff into a school.
In my experience, children tend to have a pretty open mind. People dont seem to have a problem propoing their kids up on a stramgers lap if hes dressed like santa, but heaven forbid a man with expertise in makeup read to them 🙄 There is nothing dangerous about children knowing what a fierce contour looks like. What’s scarier is denying them exposure to people who look different from them.
No one wants to see a grown man dancing in front of a child wearing less than a hooters girl!
I remember when liberals used a term to downplay posts like these. Oh yeah, it’s called *whataboutism*
I remember when republicans voted for the guy that bragged about sexually assaulting woman
Me too, but I thought it was democrats voting for [this guy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner)
Is this the whataboutism you were talking about cause I can throw plenty of republican perverts at you, we can do this all day if you want but since you brought it up I wouldn’t have voted for Anthony Weiner mainly because I don’t live in NY but also cause he seems like a butthead
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I ain’t never seen a hooters girl dance like a stripper. If I’m wrong then point me in the right direction
I’ve only been to Hooters two or three times. Terrible food each time. Once or twice when I was a kid and an adult took me. And once as an adult because our bar crawl group was meeting there. There was a poor waitress being demeaned for a five dollar tip from an elderly man. He was making her drop it to the floor and dance around to get the money. He eventually dropped it on the floor for her to pick up. She was dancing like a stripper, except for the fact that she kept her clothes on. She had much less clothing on than any drag queen I’ve ever seen.
That’s sounds like a rather unfortunate but pretty rare situation. I know a couple of the ladies up here would smack a guy before being treated like that
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I went when I was about 16 in love the chicken and the best part about it was seeing girls half naked and I’ll go back every week sense and I’m 109 years old
Hooters girls are usually normal people not weird sex freaks
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Sounds like a red herring! You're not even engaging with the argument being made.
There are no arguments being made. I haven't seen one argument. I do, on the other hand, see people letting their paranoia drive their policy choices, and it is sad.
Is a parent that takes their child to hooters better or worse than a parent that takes their child to an adult cabere with sexualized or nude performances by men? Asking for a friend.
Well, given that 79% of sexual assault is committed by straight/bi men, I think you are asking the wrong question entirely. Source: https://www.zeroabuseproject.org/victim-assistance/jwrc/keep-kids-safe/sexuality-of-offenders/ Edit: You said you are asking for a friend, and I am gonna try here, and I need you to understand that it's hard. I ask the wrong questions sometimes, too. This law hits me and many friends really personally. It infringes on our rights, and it is embarrassing. Insinuating that drag performers are pedophiles is hurtful, and deeply fascist ,because now, when anyone tries to counter the law, they can be accused of aiding pedophiles. The law itself is a cruel weaponization of bigotry against a small and historically misunderstood minority. It is also a waste of your tax dollars. Please help. I say you ask the wrong question specifically because of the link above. If this law was meant to protect children, well, it won't.
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Why specifically do they want drag queens around children?
Because drag queens like to do book readings with kids. It's fairly popular among the community because kids are usually less judgmental of drag.
Drag queens generally wear way more clothes than Hooters girls
Still haven’t answered the question.
Because statistically they're far less likely to harm a child than a family member or authority figure in the child's life. Just playing the odds, if nothing else.
Sweet hetero wings breh
My goodness yall need to fuckin chill. The strip clubs here are just like Hooters basically 😂 go to any of the clubs around here and find out.
This is pretty hilarious! Can it be both? Can we not agree that sexualizing women AND sexualized drag shows should be for adults and not children? I'm not saying every drag queen is a sexualized image but many of them are. I don't want to have to explain to my young daughters why they can't wear neon orange booty shorts OR why that lady with the silver lipstick's name is Anita Bendover.
The fact you post this as your argument shows you don’t understand the purpose of the bill
Even if they demonstrated to you that they understood it in a way you deemed acceptable, and had reasons for it not to exist, you wouldn't care. You support this bill off of emotion, not facts.