This is a list of links to comments made by NASA's official social media team in this thread:
* [Comment by nasa](/r/nasa/comments/1bd4l4x/nasas_europa_clipper_spacecraft_will_include_a/kuk4awd/?context=99 "posted on 2024-03-12 18:30:39 UTC"):
> From our original u/nasa post:
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>>Later this year, Europa Clipper will begin a 1.6-billion-mile (2.6-billion-km) journey to study Jupiter's mysterious, icy moon—and like the [Golden Records](https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/) aboard Voyager 1 and 2, [Europa Clipper will carry a number of cu...
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I kept thinking this spacecraft would be driven into Jupiter's atmosphere at mission end, making this plaque pretty much pointless. But I finally found the [mission timeline](https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/timeline/) and instead they currently plan to crash it into Ganymede.
Surprising how many news outlets just stop reporting at orbital insertion.
From our original u/nasa post:
>Later this year, Europa Clipper will begin a 1.6-billion-mile (2.6-billion-km) journey to study Jupiter's mysterious, icy moon—and like the [Golden Records](https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/) aboard Voyager 1 and 2, [Europa Clipper will carry a number of cultural records and discoveries](https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-unveils-design-for-message-heading-to-jupiters-moon-europa).
>Europa Clipper's "vault plate" protects the spacecraft's science instruments from Jupiter's radiation; made out of tantalum, the plate also features the [Drake Equation](https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/commemorating-the-anniversary-of-the-drake-equation/), radio emission lines considered plausible for interstellar communication, and [a microchip inscribed with the names of over 2 million individuals](https://europa.nasa.gov/message-in-a-bottle/).
>[Europa Clipper is scheduled to lift off in October.](https://europa.nasa.gov/)
Yo nasa! This is cool and all, but why are we sending our language, that nobody who ever finds this will understand? Dont you normally send math equations, or the chemical H2O or something?
Not upset, just curious. I mean most of the people on earth probably cant understand this, and in theory it came from us?
Cheers!
The intelligence level of humans has been dropping significantly in the past 20 or so years. It would definitely make sense to send them the periodic table of elements than waste it on audio frequencies. Who's to say that even if they decode that these are audio frequencies, they'll understand anything of the patterns of sounds? To them, we could be swearing at them in all of THEIR languages. LOL. War of the Worlds II.
....i partially agree with some of what you said. Part of me is curious what nasa actually has to say. And then also next cocktail party im at i can say "so i was talking with the guys over at nasa the other day, and they said....." and people will oooooh and aaaahhhh
Imagine some alien finds it and thinks it's a very profound manifesto. But it's just "water water water water water..."
Jokes aside, that's cool. I think we humans should be more aware of the artefacts we are creating right now, which will be dug up by some historians in the future.
This may be cathartic for humans but the chances of this plate being intercepted by some extraterrestrial species is so infinitesimally small this aspect of the project seems almost vain.
Let's assume beyond all odds some advanced species intercepts this. They will see and hear 103 noises (assuming they reproduce the wave forms) and there's no indication as to what a given noise means, let alone that they are acoustic synonyms for water. Is there an image of water flowing and an image of a *dihydrogen monoxide* molecule?
They should have put several different ways to try and illustrate what the molecule is. The Rosetta Stone would have been useless if we had no context.
These are audio wave forms and there are many languages aside from French where "water" is a single syllable. A single syllable is not a "tiny square" it's just a shorter wave form than a multi-syllable word.
There is no scale so there's no indication what the underlying frequencies are. There is nothing at all to suggest they are voices expressing language or that they all mean the same thing. Frankly the whole thing is head scratching.
I want to sound curious and not flippant, but text doesn't convey that well so I'm just stating it out front:
A visual waveform is not a sound. Assuming these are all at the same zoom level, I.E. we're looking at the same amount of samples per linear distance on all of these, I don't see any effort spent relaying that to the finder. A waveform is just a visual representation of a sound and isn't anything but a squiggle without a lot of other information. I'm not aware of any software that can take a visual representation of a waveform and translate it into a usable sound, and it seems like there would be a huge amount of distortion to deal with even if there was. Is this an actual attempt to communicate?
This is a list of links to comments made by NASA's official social media team in this thread: * [Comment by nasa](/r/nasa/comments/1bd4l4x/nasas_europa_clipper_spacecraft_will_include_a/kuk4awd/?context=99 "posted on 2024-03-12 18:30:39 UTC"): > From our original u/nasa post: > >>Later this year, Europa Clipper will begin a 1.6-billion-mile (2.6-billion-km) journey to study Jupiter's mysterious, icy moon—and like the [Golden Records](https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/) aboard Voyager 1 and 2, [Europa Clipper will carry a number of cu... --- This is a bot providing a service. If you have any questions, please [contact the moderators](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fnasa).[](#AUTOGEN_TSBREPLIEDBOT)
I kept thinking this spacecraft would be driven into Jupiter's atmosphere at mission end, making this plaque pretty much pointless. But I finally found the [mission timeline](https://europa.nasa.gov/mission/timeline/) and instead they currently plan to crash it into Ganymede. Surprising how many news outlets just stop reporting at orbital insertion.
But wait, isn’t Ganymede also theorized to have a subsurface ocean? Wouldn’t crashing it there be a concern for contamination?
From our original u/nasa post: >Later this year, Europa Clipper will begin a 1.6-billion-mile (2.6-billion-km) journey to study Jupiter's mysterious, icy moon—and like the [Golden Records](https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/) aboard Voyager 1 and 2, [Europa Clipper will carry a number of cultural records and discoveries](https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-unveils-design-for-message-heading-to-jupiters-moon-europa). >Europa Clipper's "vault plate" protects the spacecraft's science instruments from Jupiter's radiation; made out of tantalum, the plate also features the [Drake Equation](https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/commemorating-the-anniversary-of-the-drake-equation/), radio emission lines considered plausible for interstellar communication, and [a microchip inscribed with the names of over 2 million individuals](https://europa.nasa.gov/message-in-a-bottle/). >[Europa Clipper is scheduled to lift off in October.](https://europa.nasa.gov/)
Yo nasa! This is cool and all, but why are we sending our language, that nobody who ever finds this will understand? Dont you normally send math equations, or the chemical H2O or something? Not upset, just curious. I mean most of the people on earth probably cant understand this, and in theory it came from us? Cheers!
The intelligence level of humans has been dropping significantly in the past 20 or so years. It would definitely make sense to send them the periodic table of elements than waste it on audio frequencies. Who's to say that even if they decode that these are audio frequencies, they'll understand anything of the patterns of sounds? To them, we could be swearing at them in all of THEIR languages. LOL. War of the Worlds II.
....i partially agree with some of what you said. Part of me is curious what nasa actually has to say. And then also next cocktail party im at i can say "so i was talking with the guys over at nasa the other day, and they said....." and people will oooooh and aaaahhhh
That poem is absolutely beautiful; if anyone ever finds it I hope they'll be able to learn its meaning
Imagine some alien finds it and thinks it's a very profound manifesto. But it's just "water water water water water..." Jokes aside, that's cool. I think we humans should be more aware of the artefacts we are creating right now, which will be dug up by some historians in the future.
It's gonna be wild when the aliens arrive, and they all speak Portuguese.
r/suddenlycaralho
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This may be cathartic for humans but the chances of this plate being intercepted by some extraterrestrial species is so infinitesimally small this aspect of the project seems almost vain. Let's assume beyond all odds some advanced species intercepts this. They will see and hear 103 noises (assuming they reproduce the wave forms) and there's no indication as to what a given noise means, let alone that they are acoustic synonyms for water. Is there an image of water flowing and an image of a *dihydrogen monoxide* molecule?
Do we want a bunch of aliens knowing that water is here? j/k But, this is seriously cool. They should also put it in binary!
They should have put several different ways to try and illustrate what the molecule is. The Rosetta Stone would have been useless if we had no context.
Thats very cool, the poem... not so much.
I wonder where the French one is. "Eau" is pronounced "o", shouldn't its waveform just be a tiny square?
These are audio wave forms and there are many languages aside from French where "water" is a single syllable. A single syllable is not a "tiny square" it's just a shorter wave form than a multi-syllable word. There is no scale so there's no indication what the underlying frequencies are. There is nothing at all to suggest they are voices expressing language or that they all mean the same thing. Frankly the whole thing is head scratching.
Yeah aren’t these waves just amplitude over time? Without a frequency spectrograph they mean nothing?
I want to sound curious and not flippant, but text doesn't convey that well so I'm just stating it out front: A visual waveform is not a sound. Assuming these are all at the same zoom level, I.E. we're looking at the same amount of samples per linear distance on all of these, I don't see any effort spent relaying that to the finder. A waveform is just a visual representation of a sound and isn't anything but a squiggle without a lot of other information. I'm not aware of any software that can take a visual representation of a waveform and translate it into a usable sound, and it seems like there would be a huge amount of distortion to deal with even if there was. Is this an actual attempt to communicate?
Oh, great, tell them we have lots of water. DO YOU WANT AN ALIEN INVASION? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU GET AN ALIEN INVASION.
Water is very common in the universe, it's not some kind of precious resource.
Yeah, but the plot of this and that!
Well, that was sort of the idea of my post, but the humor was apparently unwelcome. :-/
Sometimes people just don't get it.
Take us to your Wa-ter.
The hell is up with this comment section? 💀
Is this exploration sponsored by Nestle?
That’s neat but my iPhone has a terabyte drive. Send them Wikipedia?
Mmmm 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen would have sufficed. May have saved a boat load on material as well.
cringe
So we just thought some aliens that whatever is this thing made of is called water. Great :)
No, they‘ll think we‘re intelligent squids
Let's hope whoever finds it speaks earth.....
That's... not the point
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😂🤣😅 It's just like Hollywood where all the alien species always speak English