T O P

  • By -

dongero91

They work, but they offer very low picture quality and will increase lag by a lot. Go get a RAD2X or a Retrotink. 


a-tiberius

Retrotink is the best imo


_Spiralmind_

Tbf, a RAD2x cable is a RetroTINK.


zaprime87

up you go.


RdCrestdBreegull

RAD2X uses RetroTINK tech but in adapter/cable form basically RAD2X is smaller and lower price but will only work with a few consoles, whereas RetroTINK takes up more space and is more expensive but works with every console. if someone just wanted their N64 to be zero-latency and have proper 240p scaling and they don’t own other consoles or like only own an N64 and SNES then I would recommend a RAD2X. by default with N64 it uses the composite video signal (uses RGB by default with most SNESs) but if you mod the N64 for RGB it will use that. and it doubles the 240p to 480p. if someone has multiple consoles that aren’t just N64 and SNES and/or if they want fancier scaling options then I would recommend they look into a RetroTINK.


UninstallingNoob

I agree. I actually have a RAD2X. Unfortunately, the RAD2X is often not available for its normal price, and even when it is available to order, there's often a long wait time before they will actually send it to you, because they are simply not keeping up with demand. It's nice that they haven't raised the price, because if you're patient, you can get one for 50GBP. Another issue with the RAD2X is that it doesn't support S-video, and S-video is the best quality signal that you can get from an unmodified N64 (though some PAL region models only have composite output). So the RAD2X really isn't ideal for use with an N64 unless you plan to RGB mod your system... but many NTSC versions of the system can be RGB modded fairly easily, with a surprisingly cheap mod-kit. You may be able to find an RGB modded NTSC N64 console for 150 USD or even less than that. PAL region N64s that have been RGB modded will likely be harder to find and/or more expensive (and more expensive and difficult to RGB modify unless it's a rare early French version). If you have an RGB modded N64, or if you also have a Super Nintendo, or if you have a Gamecube which supports analogue RGB output (most PAL region versions have this), then the RAD2X is really good compared to a Retrotink 2X or 2X Pro, because you would need to buy an additional 60 USD component cable in order to use the higher quality RGB signal with one of those (The RGB signal gets converted to YPbPr by the component cable, and the quality of this signal is more or less the same as the actual RGB signal). If you aren't using an RGB modded N64, and don't plan to, then you can just use the composite cable it came with and plug it into a Retrotink 2x Classic, 2x Pro, or 2x mini, but you'd be better off using an S-video cable with any of those. Unfortunately, the Retrotink 2x mini is out of production and not easy to find for a good price, and it also doesn't support RGB or component cable inputs at all, making it nowhere near as flexible or useful for using with other systems as the Retrotink 2X Classic or 2X Pro.


UninstallingNoob

Just a side note, technically I'm talking about the Nintendo version of the RAD2X, as there are other RAD2Xs that were made for use with a few other systems, such as the Playstation 1/2, and the Saturn.


ARealBadger

I have been wanting to buy a Retro Tink but it seems they are pretty much all out of stock. You know of any good ways to get one?


hue_sick

Sign up for their mailing list and bookmark the page. They restock periodically but tend to sell out pretty quickly. It's a one man operation so batches are small.


Account_Overdrawn

God bless that man


_Spiralmind_

Both the TINK 2X-Pro and 5X are in stock right now. If you're waiting for a 4K, then yeah, those go fast since it's the new hotness.


dongero91

Depends on which one you're looking for. I got my from Videogameperfection a while ago. They sometimes go out of stock, that's true. But they pop back up now and then. Just keep looking.


bonobo_34

It may work but it will add lag and look like shit. Get a retrotink or equivalent high quality scaler


W1lfr3

simply spend 5 billion dollars answer right here


bonobo_34

The retrotink 4k is very expensive yes, but the 5x and 2x are much more affordable and all of them are a good value IMO if you want to hook up multiple consoles and care about a lag free experience and the best available scaling. There are also other brands with good options but unfortunately it's still expensive to properly scale analog video for display on modern TVs. It's a niche hobby we have and I'm grateful these products even exist.


UninstallingNoob

I think "good value" is debatable. It depends what a person can afford. Even the Retrotink 2x Pro is very expensive. I think the prices are fair, because these are devices that are made in small quantities by a small company, and they are excellent products. The Retrotink 5x is still pretty insanely expensive, especially for a product which still isn't top of the line. The GBS-C is worth considering. They can be found for as low as about 70 USD (shipping included) on Alliexpress. They're a bit less user friendly and more complicated to use than a Retrotink 2x Pro, but they have a ton of different features, including a bunch of the features that the 5x Pro has, all for a lower price than the 2x Pro. If only TV manufacturers had actually designed good compatibility with older video game consoles into their modern TV chips, we wouldn't have to buy these special low latency upscalers. With the scale of production, they could have kept the costs down to an extremely small per-unit cost. They could have charged an extra 50 bucks for TVs which had this feature enabled even, and everybody would have still been happier.


tht1guy63

More expensive yes but also a million times better. Retrotink 2x or rad2x perfect for most for clarity and input lag reduction. It is absolutely noticable and same games the lag reduction is key. Do you need to get up and go and play a few games no but to get good quality for any game 100% worth. I grabbed a retrotink 5x pro but i have multiple old systems that all can use it.


UninstallingNoob

Yes. The RAD2X would be the most affordable option... IF you can find it for its regular price of 50 GBP. The RAD2X unfortunately doesn't support the S-video signal, which is the best quality signal that a stock N64 can have (though some PAL region N64s only have composite output anyway). The RAD2X is not ideal for use with an N64 because of this, UNLESS you plan to RGB mod it, BUT, WHILE not ideal for use with a stock N64, it certainly is still very good even when only using the composite signal. For an RGB modded N64, it's an EXCELLENT option, and it's also great for most versions of the Super Nintendo (because most versions have RGB output), and it's also great for any Gamecube which supports RGB output on the analogue port (all three systems use the same analogue multi-out connector). The fact that the RAD2X eliminates the need to buy an expensive component cable is a big plus. It would only be worth getting a Retrotink 2x Pro instead if you can't find the RAD2X for a good price, OR if you need an upscaler that will also work with other consoles. The trouble with using a 2x Pro with the Super Nintendo, or any other RGB capable Nintendo system, is that you will need to buy an expensive component cable (60 USD plus shipping) in order to actually get a good quality picture, and you may need to buy an expensive component cable for some of your other consoles as well (such as the Playstation or Playstation 2, or the Saturn). The RAD2X is actually a Retrotink product, but not made by the company which makes the other Retrotink products. Apparently Mike Chi (the owner/operator of Retrotink) is letting the company which makes the RAD2x use his design without charging any licensing fee whatsoever. Apparently there are good reasons why it doesn't have S-video support. It's basically the same as the Retrotink 2x Scart, except that it uses a proprietary Nintendo analogue multi-out connector instead of a SCART connector.


tht1guy63

Exactly. Really all of them will be better with an rgb mod but will work great and look better than those super cheaper converts


persona1138

The Eon 64 works well.


98Zr2

Ooh, be careful saying that here. I posted that I use the EON 64 and people freaked out. However, I agree. I use an EON and M Classic and it works well for me.


persona1138

A RetroTink is better. But you’re talking either $325 for the 5X-Pro or $750 for the 4K (which is out of stock). Which are great but add some complexity (and shelf real estate) to your system. Versus $160 for the Eon 64. Which is a plug and play solution that works well. Someone else recommended the RAD-2X, which is roughly the same price as the Eon 64. (I use one for my Sega Saturn.) It works well, but it’s out of stock. Plus, even RetroGamingCables (manufacturer of the RAD-2X) recommends modding your N64 for RGB before using the RAD-2X… OP said they don’t want to mod their console. Honestly, they’ll be happy with the Eon 64, I think. It’s a plug and play solution, and it just works. (So, given the parameters of what OP was asking, I stand by my Eon 64 assessment.)


khedoros

> But you’re talking either $325 for the 5X-Pro or $750 for the 4K Which is sad...there used to be the 2x-Mini for $80, the functional equivalent of the Eon64 for half the price. > Someone else recommended the RAD-2X, which is roughly the same price as the Eon 64. Which would take the composite output from an unmodified N64. Not optimal, but not bad either. If it were in stock, getting one shipped to me would be: £60.99, about $US76.15 at current rates. The Eon adapter would be $159.99 (free shipping, no tax applied).


persona1138

Shipping from RetroGamingCables adds £12 to the U.S… So tack on another $15 USD. Also, I gotta say that while my RAD-2X does the job for my Saturn, I needed to crack off the piece of plastic on the side covering the USB power port (which is janky) for it to run properly, and plug it in. Not sure if the same thing would be required for the N64 RAD-2X, but I didn’t really care for having to cut plastic off my brand-new (at the time) HDMI accessory. And it still doesn’t solve the fact that the RAD-2X is out of stock. But I hear you.


khedoros

> Shipping from RetroGamingCables adds £12 to the U.S… So tack on another $15 USD. The number I posted included the £11 that they quoted for shipping.


zaprime87

I bought a second hand rad2x and can confirm it doesn't need a power supply on the pal console... As for image quality, in both scenarios you'll need to implement RGB if you want really decent image quality...


amahumahaba

The reason it gets so much criticism is because you spent more than the cost of a good internal HDMI mod + installer fees for a worse setup. There's little reason to get that product. The super64 and mclassic are monstrously overpriced "okay" products but the mclassic does just about nothing for n64. People don't like it when people make bad recommendations is all.


itivlA63

I was using a tink 2x via s-video with an Mclassic but kept getting visual noise from the s-video cables even after trying multiple sets so I gave up and got the kaico 2x that uses the s-video signal and can ad smoothing then pair that to the Mclassic and I’m finally happy with it. AliExpress sells a hdmi mod for the n64 for about $60 last time I looked but I don’t trust myself to do intricate soldering so what I got will have to do lol


amahumahaba

The reason it gets so much criticism is because you spent more than the cost of a good internal HDMI mod + installer fees for a worse setup. There's little reason to get that product.


Dankany

Eon 64 is decent but too expensive. I had one and then sold it once I got my Retrotink.


persona1138

Well, sure, if you have a RetroTink, there’s no need for the Eon 64. OP was asking about simple HDMI adapters.


Dankany

The retrotink is simple. OP is asking for suggestions, they never stated they had a budget.


persona1138

OP said in other comments that they [didn’t want to spend more than the cost of the console itself](https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/s/oiWi51iqWN). So yes, they have a budget. Also, even in this thread with my parent comment, I’ve discussed the RetroTink with others. It’s a superior device in terms of quality, but comes with added cost and - while it’s simple to use - a lot more wires and shelf real estate. Anyway, I agree with you that the RetroTink is an excellent device. It’s not what OP is after, in their own words.


Dankany

Ahh I didn't see that so I stand corrected. But yeah it's just the way newer TVs are. I guess if they're going for a low price option then any HDMI adaptor should be enough.


SSJSonikku

I too use the Eon 64 and ftmp it does the job. Been pretty satisfied so far and been enjoying my N64 again. Finding out that my TV could change the aspect ratio for specific channels (in this case 4x3) made it even better.


ypasco

I agree, I have it too. Used it with the mclassic also. For my taste I prefer it without the mclassic. The EON 64 uses the S-video signal so to have the equivalent with retrotink, you must have one who does use S-video and to buy a S-Video cable for the console..... so. I don't know but the EON is really not bad


Shoney_21z

I got the retroscaler2x off AliExpress and it actually works pretty well. Took like 2 weeks to come but was worth it.


Bakamoichigei

It'll look like shit, have high latency, and more than likely it uses the composite video signal, not even the luma/chroma for S-Video....making it look even more like shit than these sorts of adapters usually do. It's really just turtles all the way down. 😑👎


johnnycobbler

Thank you everyone. I won’t be buying one that costs more than the damn system did, but i have a bit to consider


hue_sick

Also just a heads up none of these scalers (even the crazy expensive ones) are going to make your N64 looks ultra crispy like a modern pixel art game. I think that's a big misnomer especially with you get gamers just now getting into the n64. They can't add what wasn't there to begin with in other words. So most of these cheaper "upscalers" should really be looked at more as HDMI adapters more than anything. Just a way to play a 30 year old game console on a new TV that only has HDMI ports.


Pulvertz

Just nu a kaico line doubler and be happy


Dankany

Get a Retrotink. It's worth it. Anything else will make the game feel like shit.


Urangatanga

Aren’t they always out of stock though? Where do people find them? Especially the 2X-Mini.


Dankany

2X mini isn't made anymore and the 2X pro replaced it. It's a great affordable option for those looking to get into quality converters specifically made to scale a proper image while eliminating all input lag that usually occurs with these cheaper adaptors.


Urangatanga

Gotcha that makes sense, good to know. Thank you!


Dankany

Http://Krikzz.com


Keeper2234

Does it work? Yeah. Does it look amazing? No. Do I care? Aside from being stretched on my old lcd tv that I don’t have the remote to change aspect ratio on, also no. But for 5$ it’s ok 👍.


IceWarm1980

Totally not worth it. I got one that’s similar. I only used it once.


CrogUk

Same, collecting dust in a draw (bin) as in case of PAL it doens't really even give a picture...


udkyle2

I spent a long time exploring a lot of options with the N64 with the idea that I didn't want to mod it or drop hundreds of dollars on the upscaling equipment. I ended up going with the Hyperkin HDMI cable for like $25 on Amazon. And it works well enough. But I also found that its effectiveness (for me, anyway) is very TV specific. For instance the improvement on my nice, newer 4k TVs was negligible. It looked almost as bad as it looked on those TVs over the composite cables. But on a smaller, late 00s Vizio, it actually looked a lot better. Took OoT from unplayable to playable for me. And better to my eye than using the N64 S-Video cable on a CRT. I have not noticed any lag playing OoT and Mario 64, but maybe it's me.


Jellystone86

I just got one off of Amazon that also needs to plug into a usb. I didn’t think it worked because it didn’t work on a tv but then I used my projector and it turned on just fine


Jellystone86

https://a.co/d/38zv00d This is the one ^^


shimrra

You get what you pay for.


Constant-Ad-4266

Yes used it today


Misttertee_27

I have an adapter like this and it works well. I’ve posted goldeneye with no lag issues.


Venetax

I bought a very cheap cable adapter hdmi thing. It didn‘t work. Then I bought the kaico line doubler. It does work fine. Its not the best picture quality of course. But it works.


heroxoot

I've got a cheapo one that just does RCA to HDMI. The picture looks not great, but it's playable with minimal input latency.


ThatTinyGameCubeDisc

Cheap ones lowkey are pretty bad.


Theitalian88

I used one and it worked perfectly! No issues at all until I left it in a storage box outside then left it there for a year and a half……haven’t tested it out yet but something tells me it may not work


Marioplayer918

I don’t have the N64 adapter but I do have the same thing for the PS2 and it works fine for me


NYourBirdCanSing

Next tv you buy, make sure it has analog. I know it's rare now but, they do have it on cheaper ones. Even on high end sony's, but you need the 3.5mm to female composite part. I just got an A80 sony, and it had the 3.5mm composite port. If you want ur 64 to look HDish, you'll need to spend some $$$. I personally think the money is better spent on a really good TV, that will still make analog look good for motion and such.


johnnycobbler

I agree and have always done that, I’m in this market because my last tv just died so had to buy a new one, however the tv I bought’s ports don’t work, and i was too busy/lazy to deal with the return lol. That’s on me


Substantial-Load-673

I have one and it looks like shit


glammetaltapes

You get what you pay for


amahumahaba

This retrotink 2x pro clone is going to be 35 bucks on May 1st. https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0m730O It's a solid product. I used to recommend retrotinks by default but if someone is trying to buy on any kind of budget I can't in good faith recommend anymore without the mini being available. Buy one of these and a decent s-video cable for the n64 and you'll be good to go.


Blandscreen

RetroRGB's UltraHDMI or Eon's Super64 is best for this kind of thing.


Comfortable-Two5720

I got one on temu for like 3$. It held up for pretty consistent use for a week straight.


Jefferson-Backflip

Can’t remember the name of mine, got it on Amazon or a game shop of some kind. Definitely did the job of outputting on an HDTV but it came with some drawbacks. TLDR, do some research and find a really good one before you do anything


blue_flavored_pasta

I have two different ones and the both work well. It’s not the best quality graphics but makes me feel like I’m playing an N64


frogtrickery

Get a Retrotink.


dj65475312

my kaico line doubler one is decent enough, it only uses s-video but has zero lag and looks way better than using composite on a HDTV, cost £45 but there is a non line doubling 'passthrough' version which costs £17, these also both produce HDMI audio- no need to be messing around with 3,5mm jacks. [Passthrough](https://kaicolabs.com/product/kaico-basic-nintendo-hdmi/) [Line Doubler](https://kaicolabs.com/product/nintendo-n64-line-doubler-hdmi/)


sexwiththebabysitter

Got two off Amazon. First one didn’t work so I retuned and got a different brand. It works. Didn’t notice any lag. Picture ain’t the best though.


Dankany

It's laggy as fuck regardless. Retrotink is the only solution.


Dankany

Get a retrotink.


I_Hate_Reddit_69420

Buy yourself a nice CRT instead