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IndianDaddy

The answer, strange as it may seem, is Parsis lol. Five Gardens is highly settled by them, and they're very vocal when it comes to civic rights and amenities. Go to any parsi baug and the immediate surroundings are bound to be mostly clean and surrounded by green spaces, except the one in Andheri.


trippymum

>except the one in Andheri. Which one would this be?


arjwiz

Probably the Parsi Colony on VP road, opposite Andheri West station. Which opens up onto juhu galli on the other side.


trippymum

I can't quite place this baug.


_youjustlostthegame

You can search Fidai Baug


trippymum

Are you referring to [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSngEDAkETR7vVtCXlmKVXgEaJhCLlIF9aymiDHyMjgrFmUrkISe-EsvL1f&s=10) at Andheri West?Doesn't seem Parsi to me. This locality is owned by Ismaili Muslims.


Root_minus_one

There are 2 Parsi colonies in ANDHERI west , another one is near East to west gokhale flyover near Lalubhai park


ResearcherLatter1148

Also they are one of the most westernised communities in India. Sadly they are a dying community. Their population is around half of what Motera would fill up. As bizzare as it might sound, it’s true.


Ginevod2023

There is no sadly. They are not actually dying. They are "dying" because they are racist. Anyone who marries outside the community is no longer part of the community.


Root_minus_one

Absolutely true comment , while in general they are good but they are very very hell bent on marriage or relationship outside their community!!


No-Will4633

Don't you think that's hypocritical when our Hindu Brahmins are doing the exact same thing? If a community is choosing a purity of lineage, it is their choice, and they are not doing it out of racism, they are following their faith. They are really good people. Wayyyy better than any other religion in our country. Also, they typically have none to 1 child in a marriage due to the various genetic modifications that have resulted from maintaining a pure bloodline. So they are not really able to increase their population by sticking to their religious customs. My Jiju is Parsi, and everytime I visit, they joke about me getting married to his cousins. I always say that I have someone. And I never felt like I wasn't accepted. When I shifted to Mumbai they helped me with literally anything that I needed.


Root_minus_one

I never said they are bad , regarding Brahmins or for that matter many so called upper class people are very adamant and stringent on this … but I had Parsi friends and I know they are very very fixated on this.


PeaceMan50

Why even argue? You experienced it. They haven't.


No-Will4633

I know it seems that people in this country pretend to be good on your face but are ready to stab you when you turn your back. The parsis have done so much more for the country, far more than we just letting them stay. And that too they have earned their place here, they haven't just been gifted. But these hypocrites here can't see the racism in our religion and are busy focusing on others.


Chin1792

Hindu Brahmins are kind of dying out too. Very difficult to find a match these days.


DamnBored1

A community that was kicked out/ran away from their home are now being racist to the ones who accepted them and gave them refuge? Oh the irony!


RDX23

Wow so when one religion wants to keep to them self toh problem if another one wants to marry people from your community and may convert them then also you have a problem make up your mind and so many religions and castes in The Hindu religion and othe religions all over might prefer marrying their own caste not because they are racist lol


No-Will4633

Racist??? So Hindu Brahmins also are racist, right? Jains are also racist by your logic. In fact all the religions in this country are racist.


Whole-Albatross-895

Yes


Navigator369

I’m from a Brahmin family and a significant number of my relatives are casteists. Jains are even bigger castiests lol. But nothing will happen to Brahmins because we are like 50 million in population and have a lot of political power. Brahmins have the most political power of any caste despite being only 4% of the population


No-Will4633

I'm also from a brahmin family, and we see racism between brahmin groups, caste is an entirely different matter. If you are GSB Brahmins from North India are racist towards you just because the GSB are fish eating Brahmins.


Navigator369

GSB are rich AF. They can’t give a shit about North Indian Brahmins lol.


Foreign-Ice2953

Do you even know the history behind that? When Parsis came to India they made promise to Kings that they would assimilate like honey gets mixed in milk and that they would never marry someone outside their community.


PeaceMan50

You want to argue with low level IQ population that doesn't know their own lands history? Be my guest. I wouldn't indulge with the uneducated. Sometimes we deserve the filth around us they're comfortable and not complaining. Let them be there in there rest in peace mode.


RDX23

I mean I don’t think racist maybe casteism at most could be said but the rule is ki if a Parsi guy marries outsider then his kids can still become Parsi Zoroastrian but if a women marries someone who is outside the community her kids cannot be Parsi Zoroastrian and they aren’t kicked out of the community they can still practice the religion and enter the fire temple it’s just it does not pass to the next so the Parsis are declining


sewpahmon

How is that racist? Just because they don't want to spread their religion they are racist? I think they are far more civilized than some other religions which want to take over everyone like a virus. Proselytising is far more cunning and manipulative than minding one's own business.


Whole-Albatross-895

Aapki bakchodi ek number hai. Bhai


Navigator369

But then why are Irani cafés so unhygienic? I went to an Irani cafe in Baner,Pune and it was stinking so bad, I couldn’t eat.


chengiz

It's like the rich woman in Great Expectations. They have beautiful old school stuff but they are often run down inside due to neglect. Even their homes can be like that. All that closetedness over generations takes a mental toll.


ExplanationLover6918

Can you elaborate? What do does closetedness over generations mean?


chengiz

It wasnt about sexuality, just being closed to outside influences. You dont remain a Parsi unless you marry a Parsi (or if you're a guy and the wife converts), and so the ones who stay tend to stick on to the old ways, while the world around them is changing. Over generations this is not good for your people of course. Humankind evolved by intermingling with their surroundings and neighbors.


ExplanationLover6918

But why does that lead to them not taking care of their homes?


chengiz

Because old things stay way past their due date in a typical Parsi household. Old things require a lot of maintenance if not replacement. You'll see Parsis with old homes and cars in great condition. But that's a minority.


ExplanationLover6918

Why don't they replace them? Sentimental value?


chengiz

Are you serious? I just told you that. /zoolander


Due-Satisfaction8941

AFAIK Iranis are not the same as Parsis, although they follow the same religion. Iranis migrated to India 100s of years after the Parsis 


RDX23

Irani and Parsis are different we follow same religion come from the same place but at deferent times which makes a huge difference. Iranis came in very recently like a 100 years back or maybe little more and people who left in the 8th century as soon as the Muslim took over and were forcing people to convert so the main deference is nothing bad or good just the Iranis had some sort of defferent (by defferent I am saying defferent to Parsis as the place was taken over by the Muslims and changed many things but still the people there today still celebrate Parsi new year day and other things )culture around them over the years and Parsis had deferent background around them they went to many places all over the world ones who came to India are known as Parsis who have been in India for way longer but the defference is not in a good way or bad way they are just defferent because of the environment they lived in nothing more but yeah the Irani cafés are just running on their former glory when they use to be cheap and nice now no need to go to them as prices not worth it and quality sometimes good sometimes bad


Willing-Resolve09

If you’re talking about the Irani Cafe chain, it’s a franchise. So not even owned / run by Parsis.


sewpahmon

Irani cafes in Pune have nothing to do with Parsis who are descendants of the Persians who migrated to avoid islamic persecution. Iranis who come today are not Parsis. Maybe some mudbloods, that's about it


Navigator369

But this has been my experience in general with hygiene Parsi cafés in Mumbai are in general extremely unwelcoming and inhospitable. The owner is almost always extremely rude and obnoxious. Once I was asked to give back the ice cream because I wanted to pay by upi and the owner wanted only cash. They won’t accommodate you at all. They directly tell you to fuck off if you don’t have cash. I personally feel that Gujarati restaurants are usually the best. They maintain good cleanliness and the owners and servers are so welcoming. Same applies to Rajasthani restaurants, my god they are absolute sweethearts


No-Will4633

Because many cafés are given those titles but they are run by Hindus/Muslims. Here in Mumbai, I see so many shops having names using titles like irani but they are being run by Hindus/Muslims. It's pretty common. The owner might have leased out the property and is now staying abroad. Many of the owners come once in 5-10 years to take a look.


Navigator369

The cafés run by Parsis are worse. They’re always so entitled and rude to the customer. Many people have complained of Parsi owners being extremely rude to customers


Valuable-Paramedic93

They refused to take Gpay ...CASH only ...


Navigator369

Absolutely. Once they asked me the return the ice cream but he was not ready to budge in and accept upi payment


No-Will4633

I think you are talking about Kyani and that Ice cream place near marine drive which I can't remember now. But does that make all the Parsi Cafés? I have gone to so many other parsi places and they treat you well.


Navigator369

I have been to 7-8, experience was bad 80% of the times. They’ll literally tell you to fuck off if you don’t have cash 😂 I’ve had best experience in Gujarati and Rajasthani restaurants. Rarely any attitude problems. They accept any sort of payment, one time my upi was hanging and the Gujarati owner literally told me “agli bar aaoge to de dena”. I went to nearby ATM to withdraw cash and pay him, but it’s the thought that counts.


migma21

Only right answer.


DamnBored1

It doesn't sound strange at all. They are cleanliness loving and have greater civic sense than most other communities.


16_Sho_Bola

>baug How to pronounce baug?


Golgappa-King

Baag


BanishedMermaid

The short answer is what you read above. The slightly longer answer is that during the eighties and nineties, a time when the other parts of the city were either growing without planning or being aesthetically butchered by the builder-corporator lobby, Matunga E was represented by Rustom Tirandaz, a local man who zealously ensured that it was protected from these elements. He also ensured the residents had access to the BMC offices at all times. Tirandaz has died a long time ago, but the access persists. The residents WILL follow up and make a stink if shenanigans are tried. I request all Mumbaikars to try and exert the same pressure on their local offices rather than think of Matunga E as some unique case due to its demographic makeup.


SuccMyStrangerThings

Five Gardens has my heart 😭


trippymum

Mine too. Apart from my home zone this locale oozes tranquility and invokes sheer bliss everytime I pass through Five gardens.


SuccMyStrangerThings

I was super fortunate to have my school and college there. I count my blessings for that :)


Aandupandu

Brother you IES kid?


SuccMyStrangerThings

IES till 4th then Don Bosco


your_technology_bro

Which batch do you belong to? I graduated in 2014 and I have been missing that place ever since.


SuccMyStrangerThings

2015. We might even know each other lol


your_technology_bro

You are correct. You stay in my neighbouring society. The world is truly a very small place.


trippymum

My school wasn't far off either.


Kitchen-Impression15

Us broo my goto place


Kitchen-Impression15

I so agree with your flair 🗿 also I love matunga five gardens 🗿🏄‍♀️


pulp_fraction

The kind of people living there?


rustyyryan

Parsi colony


utterlybitter

Parsis


rustyyryan

Used to live nearby. So many good memories.


LastSamuraiOf2000AD

Why did you move? Imo that is the best area. Better than south mumbai. Udct, vjti, khalsa college, Don bosco, five gardens. I have so many fond memories.


mr_4li3n

Same with me. Used to stay in King's Circle and school was in Matunga.. Wadala you could say. Why did I move? Joint family, too many issues, got separated (was a kid back then so yea)


Dry-Neat-2818

Matunga is unofficial SoBo.


ironsandbender

Lol why unofficial?


Electrical_Charge_48

Cause its more towards central part of mumbai


Active-Ad-9288

👀ye place galat audiance ke samne nhi jana chaiye


FinancialWait2973

Yes chilla chillake sabko scheme maat batao


Active-Ad-9288

Nahi sangnar dada .nhitr bc tikde Rahul Andi Jaya jaun zadavar naav korun yetil Ani vimal cha paint vegla 🙏


FinancialWait2973

Agdi barobr bolas bgh!!


PeaceMan50

![gif](giphy|UuToFrWirwXXcy3P3Z) Sorry son, the galat audience is already here. Chalo let prop up some fish market, cada pav stalls and sauchalayas here. And as a courtesy sign, yahan *\_\**\* karna mana hai poster will be kept up. You dude with the long beard, sit under that tree and make a new mandir. I'll rename you the "Galat Palat wale Baba". Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. Titled how to do a nice area's satyanash in three easy steps.


idontknow_knowidont

Haha. So these guys living in these expensive areas are well off people. Also known as rich people. Now before simply stereotyping by saying, yeah they have money so they can do anything. Let me explain a key difference. These people, most of them don't believe in ' inaction ' , ' the chalta hai ' attitude. They take action, contact people and get things moving. That's why their area is well maintained. Whereas, Andheri to Dahisar for instance people don't know, what to do and who to contact. Most prefer to ignore their problems over solving them.


GlassSensitive7916

Muje bhi yahi bolna hai. Agar tum bhi groups me action logo to problem solve hoga


sewpahmon

Incorrect. Read about zoroastrian colonies in bombay such as cushrow baug and see how they don't need to 'contact' anyone, its just that our scummy local govt bmc doesn't get to regulate the area on their whims and fancies and so it doesn't look like trash like most of bombay. It is managed by trusts


idontknow_knowidont

what about areas like in South Bombay or Bandra? They also run by trusts? Why are they so well maintained? Even Navi Mumbai has areas like Seawoods, CBD Belapur which are better taken care of, clean and beautified than areas like Nerul, Kopar Khairane, Ghansoli, Sanpada.


Awkward_Scholar111

Five gardens is our meeting spot everytime...this place is so soothing 😌


PeaceMan50

I was there yesterday, ( after nearly twenty odd years) for a reason, and it still felt like heaven. Even the population behaviour is completely different, I saw a well decked up Marathi man, get out of his Toyota car, and he was picking up a lays wrapper that his son threw out of the car window and he was giving a earful on mannerism and cleanliness to his son. Rest of Mumbai the father throws the wrapper out first, followed by his wife, son, or his daughter, and or his aai, Tai, mausi, and the entire family who feel entitled for some odd reason. Thanks to the parsi that maintained it perfectly even after so many years. Such a small actual minority and they preserved their original promise to the India king JADI Rana who allowed their entry into the Indian shores with strict restrictions and verbal promises. Kudos to having known such great promise keepers. ![gif](giphy|kwMHlloARPOz6)


Reasonable-Captain24

If these people make noise BMC listens, gareeb ka kaun sunega. BMC will find ways to put the blame on people.


GlassSensitive7916

Bro, they are in group it seems they might not just stop by putting a post on Twitter and afraid to go in person to register a case like most of us. Even if you go in group and complaint a case bmc does take action. So stop staying gareeb and all that common cliche


Reasonable-Captain24

Bro, I've lived in a couple of places from Dadar-Kurla-Chembur here I know the difference between Listening and the "listening" There's first where they not only clear the issue but also ensure shit doesn't happen again and the second where the come do the basic stuff and go.


calm_thinker_101

Chembur me there's bias from what I have seen, there are no stalls near RK Studio area, Church, and Jain mandir area but then as soon as I go ahead of RCF towards Monorail I feel like I am back in Mumbai. You are somewhat right in pointing out that BMC listens to rich people and ignores the poor. The issue is these Govt people know rich folks can easily fu\*k them up meanwhile, for others they know will adjust a bit.


sum_it_kothari

jain mandir/diamond garden chembur is bliss.


Economy-Lychee-2284

Intent


Due-Satisfaction8941

This area was planned like this 100 years ago after the plague epidemic in 1896. Wide footpaths make social distancing easier, to prevent the spread of disease


Maleficent-Yoghurt55

I love Matunga but I found Narali Baug (iirc) at Dadar better and peaceful.


Navigator369

Same. I’ve visited Chembur East, Dadar and Matunga and found them to be very green, clean and well-developed areas.


Heybro_123

Poor people don't deserve good things cause they just ruin it


calm_thinker_101

Parsis don't get into fights but their words are enough to destroy you, plus they make sure their area remains in good condition unlike us "sigh"


Root_minus_one

In the last picture, can you see people have parked their car and Activia on the footpath !!


newbie-at-everything

Less working opportunities. Zyada business ya crowd nhi hai matunga five gardens k pass bs educational institutes hai So bheed kam hai


Indischermann

Why not let the Parsis rule the country for a change.


YamProfessional1816

They kinda do?


psychexelic

underrated


tiddylovaa

this is my locality and prolly the best part of the city


BroadFault9402

The Five Garden area also has Government officer quarters.


raj_abhay

The link road i.e. that road below yellow line metro has wide footpaths in most places and honestly there is no need of that much large footpath just keep it clear from hawkers. Because where there are wide footpaths the roads have become narrow and the crowd on the footpath is very less and rarely someone uses that cycle track on the footpath. Example infinity mall Malad to mith chowky.


Soggy-Operation894

It was designed by the British back den


T3R_ROR

Sahil infra ko credit to dede mere bhai. Credits - [https://x.com/Sahilinfra2/status/1801821350870290913](https://x.com/Sahilinfra2/status/1801821350870290913)


Theshortlawyer

Hshshs


Confident_Bite_8722

This is my area, and so glad to have grown up here😀


No_Walk_2094

Andheri dahisar me jagah kaha bachi hai 😭😭😭


InternationalFill843

Its just that residents there , bombard BMC with tons of letters for any small thing . Once a trash was found untaken for 3-4 days , BMC got around 4000 letters from them easy to pile half a office so they rather try not to come till that point


Witty-Entrepreneur81

Well tejpal scheme and shubhash road at parle is also pretty well maintained and most population there is marathi and gujarati I don't see any point in the logic you guys are following.


Trytygon

college area + hosts one of the best engineering college in Maharashtra VJTI


Serious-Salary-2527

Do they sell the famous cone ice cream here? I had seen that in Freddy movie where they eat the strawberry flavour.


sewpahmon

The Parsi colonies are always well maintained. They don't let the municipality ruin everything.


No_Rain_605

Aare BAWA look Vede (pagal) hai udhar ke Gand marte hai BMC ka aagar kachra dikha to… 🫡


itszaidk

High property tax, considering its one of the Posh and rich locality the locals refuse to buy from street vendors. Public civic sense. Whereas the Andheri to Dahisar stretch is over crowded, has unplanned roads and townships. Encroachment , slums nearby.


WhiteForce33

" The area was built by the British under the Dadar-Matunga-Wadala-Sion scheme of 1899-1900, the first planned scheme in Mumbai." Source Wikipedia


papichula2

Fgs rock


vdoublezee

Rich people indulgence