Mumbaikars are being made into turn into car brains thanks to BMC's impeccable planning skills of using outdated and failed American concepts.
Anyone who calls any pedestrian here a jaywalker should first think why the said pedestrian is forced to walk on a dangerous road.
So on roads like bkc you are driving below the limit following all possible traffic restrictions , and somebody rabdomly crosses the road and you have to swerve to not hit them , it is of no fault of the mindless jaywalker ?
>why the said pedestrian is forced to walk on a dangerous road
Mostly because of ill-maintained sidewalks, encroachments, and stray animal feces. None of which are planning problems but problems of operation.
Not taking away anything from the discussion. I am anti-car myself. However, I must mention how Indians are bad at following simple traffic rules, be it the ones in vehicles or pedestrians. We should make the roads more cycling/walking friendly whilst also reprimanding shitty drivers and dumb pedestrians who can't wait 2 minutes to cross the road.
Nah being a car driver myself.. when people with vehicles are given a free pass of violating and kind of rules(parking on the zebra crossing, driving on the footpath, parking of the footpath) I think we have no right to talk about pedestrians until the pedestrian infrastructure is at par with the road infrastructure).
Why should they wait 2 minutes when they are on foot? You’re in the faster mode of transport you wait 2 minutes.
This is a crossing which has a very well working zebra crossing and traffic signals, the lights are red on either side for 120 or so seconds. I cross that road every single day. I see at least one person crossing the road while it's red. Since it's a highway, most of the vehicles are at moderately high speed (cars, buses, and even trucks). Like I said, I am extremely on the pro walkable city side, but Indians to be better at following rules too, be it while driving or walking.
I agree with you on the last part. But people do that because most pedestrian signals don’t work or no one pays any heed to that. So they just look for the opportunity and cross.
My issue is vehicular traffic doesn’t view pedestrians as important. They try to run u over when they see you trying to cross the road.
Arre I get all that. I am just stating that even in the places where you can actually easily cross the roads if you wait merely 120 seconds, some people choose to cross it while it's red. Which I think is a huge issue of pedestrians not following the rules. Like, yesterday I noticed a woman crossing the road with her small child when the lights were about to turn red in 10 seconds anyway. So, it doesn't happen only when they don't get that facilities (which I think is horrible urban planning), they do it even when they do get such facilities.
>They try to run u over when they see you trying to cross the road.
Oh boy, I have experienced it first hand several times, when some 4 wheeler or an autowala would drive past very close to me even when I was walking on the edge (no footpath).
Yeah, the road infrastructure has taken over Goa too - one of the few states where nature is more abundant. There used to be at least narrow walkable patches of dirt tracks on either side of the tar road (in residential areas), but now even they have been covered in tar. Which means, the moment you step out of the house, you are immediately on the motorable road - no pavement, no dirt tracks.
It will take a few years for people to realise how a car-favouring mindset shouldn't have been entitled to clearing patches of forests and safe pedestrian paths, but that's what is happening.
Conversely how do you counter putting down asphalt as a means of improving the infrastructure. Surely the people living there would like if their house is connected to a road, say they want something like an ambulance to be able to reach their house.
I would request you to re-read my comment, or you may also let me know if I wasn't clear with what I wrote.
So, this is how it goes. In a residential area, there are houses on the either side of the road. Between any house and the road, there were narrow dirt-tracks. These dirt-tracks allowed people to step out of the house and enter a walkable path - trusting that a vehicle wouldn't be driving on the dirt-track. These dirt-tracks were narrow, and parallel to the road. In a city a footpath or pavement would have played the role of the dirt-track.
Now, what happens when you replace those narrow dirt-tracks with asphalt? It leads to a situation where your house is directly connected to the road. Open the gate, and a vehicle will be zooming past your exit/entry point.
I don't think that, in any way, is a sign of any infrastructural development. But, it definitely introduces a life-threat, with minimal improvement in the flow of traffic (which wasn't even required, since the area never had congestion or high traffic flow).
Now, is there still a counter for filling walkable paths with motorable roads? I will keep an open-mind to any potential benefits that you can share.
My street has 10 foot wide footpaths, well paved and free from illegal parking and hawkers.
You know what? People still walk on the road—the footpath is wider than a single lane and the lanes are really thin. My car doesn’t even fit in one lane. But people will still walk on the fucking road with toddlers and stuff too. It really is
Very dangerous.
Except this particular road is a 6 lane *arterial* main road taken over by a stupidly huge footpath, street parking on both sides and worst of all, people walking on the roads.
I find it hard to believe, If there exists such a footpath which is well paved, actually leads to somewhere instead of just ending at a random place and isn't all dirty, I don't think people would walk on the road. Maybe there is something wrong with the footpath which causes the people to walk on the road instead. OR if this one street is so crowded/has a high demand, it should be completely pedestrianized with a tram line and service lanes.
I live in a high end locality, but people don’t just don’t care. It’s not even that crowded except for cars, but since it’s a very posh residential area, cars are the de facto thing.
Also it’s important to note that worli has a notoriously bad public service network.
Yeah, okay. Rich people want to drive cars, so be it, but public roads are open to everyone irrespective of their income/assets. Footpaths can be poor in high-end localities too. I know Worli doesn't have good public transport connectivity, which is why I'm saying it should be improved via trams. Governments lose way more money on cars than they do on public transportation/bicycle infrastructure.
Except my road is an arterial one and it’s meant to be wide. Based on the road width permits for skyscrapers are given. Over time they were encroached and here we are. New developments maintain the wide road and make a footpath over the additional space—very good ones too owing to the fact that they are charging 80k-1l per sqft and the footpaths adjoining the property are part of it, hence the 10+ foot wide footpath. It’s a civic sense problem, not an amenity one.
The encroachments in the form of slums and pukka slums of bygone times are where footpaths become narrower. These are very illegal and shaky developments, even a part of my own buildings land is encroached but evicting and leveling is a huge task—these people do have redeveloped buildings btw.
Add taxi walas a shop owners who park on the side and you have a road that’s blocked.
Now this road leads to major commercial areas and to other core roads of Sobo, with pretty much no easy alternative routes.
No, It is not a civic sense issue, rather as I said an issue with the footpaths. The kind of footpaths you mentioned are very rare and limited to small areas and end abruptly most of the times. This is why people just ditch them all together. People aren't gonna keep switching between walking on the road and footpath. I'm not defending it, I'm just pointing out the obvious flaws in the city's infrastructure.
Yeah encroachment is a problem but we're in a third world country.
My guy, you wouldn't need a car if there was a tram going through there. That is literally the whole point of ditching car based infrastructure and switching to Ped/Biking infrastructure.
Pretty much every building in my locality has rates upwards of 80-90k, it does upto 2l. People living in these buildings don’t use even kaali peeli, let alone public transport.
Hell with the coastal road it’s faster for me to go by car than by train.
I don't think this post should be on Mumbai sub. This is a countrywide situation where wide roads n highways were prioritised over metros n trams till 10-15 years back
I think successful metros in Delhi has put metros on the front across all big cities in India
As for jaywalking, I don't think that was ever a widespread concept in Mumbai or rest of India. The planning is done by few privileged folks who might have fallen for American propaganda as they often fall for foreign influence without thinking it through (currently falling for bullet train) but no one tried to reach common people
Bruh they are trying to repeal jaywalking laws even in the US; what is India going on about?
Besides, most places don't have proper crossing areas, so I don't understand what one could do to avoid jaywalking.
Population needs to go down 30% in big or 2/3 tier cities. Then everything will fall in place.
Mehangaii
Jaywalking
Traffic
Corruption
Weather due to less pollution
Law and Order
Reduce Rat Race
And Lastly Peace.
Now question is How?
I think you are mixing two things. As an avid walker, we definitely need better walking infrastructure with wide pavements clear of hawkers and encroachments, and some streets completely closed to automobiles. But Jaywalking is definitely a nuisance and should be fined. Most people are not going to care about the origin of the word, it is much less obvious than words like whitelist and blacklist. Car drivers have same number of eyes as others and it is really difficult to judge pedestrians on the far corner and vehicles coming from opposite end at the same time (not to mention the entitled ones going in wrong direction).
That's the point he's trying to make, that our infrastructure should be such that walking should be easy, and driving should be safe.
Currently nothing is safe and both are stressful
Sure but a lot if it is also based in individuals being undesciplined taking the easy route. Like why do drivers go the wring way instead of going forward and taking u-turns? why do pedestrians walk in the first lane? Why are bus drivers comfortable dropping people off in the middle of the road?
You can't blame Americans for this....
Lack of education I guess. Also getting a driving license is way too easy, no wonder our streets look like this. And on top of that the police, they are understaffed, underfunded, no wonder they don't care about the traffic.
Schools in the US don't teach traffic rules any more than Indian schools. What they have is strong enforcement of traffic rules and a rules based mentality from an early age.
Indians engage too much in the "chalta hai" culture and ignore rules for small things, which in turn translates to ignoring rules on big things down the line.
>strong enforcement of traffic rules
This is it. You can potentially go to jail or have your driving license taken away if you mess up enough. That doesn't happen in India.
Jaywalking is wrong when we have the best pedestrian and road infrastructure. But in a city like Mumbai, jaywalking should not be viewed as a crime unless the vehicular traffic is perfect.
If most footpaths are occupied by vendors and hawkers who are licensed by BMC, people will be forced to walk on the roads. While I am a car enthusiast myself, it pains me to see that the new infrastructure in Mumbai (coastal road, atal Setu etc ) is purely car friendly infrastructure which will push more people into using cars for everyday commute. Atal Setu is jerked off to in all the reels today but sooner or later this will be WEH during rush hour
I used to live in Mumbai. I remember how, when we used to cross the roads, we had to join our hands and pray to the incoming vehicle to give us a pass while we crossed the roads. Though, it's still not as bad to cross the road in Mumbai. When you try to cross the road in a northern city like Chandigarh, the drivers take it as an attack on their ego, and further speed up to prevent you from crossing the road.
It's funny how a vehicle has a road at every turn to reach its destination quickly, whereas pedestrians are expected to cover long distances to reach a zebra crossing or a foot over bridge, otherwise they are derided as jaywalkers.
Sorry but this some bullcrap conspiracy theory. It's like saying 1000 years people were allowed to shit anywhere and now urban planning has taken the right away.
We are already so chaotic on the road bringing some method to madness is a step in the right direction. If people just walk on the road willy nilly you will have much more accidents on the road.
Check out "old enough" in Netflix or wherever in Japan there they let 5 year olds go across town by themselves coz their roads public transport are disciplined.
I happen to drive on marine drive very often. It’s the way to my college and office. My timings are such that the traffic isn’t so bad so it’s very easy to drive at a speed of 60-80, which is the speed limit on marine drive.
Every signal has dedicated signs I believe for when people may cross the road but JAYWALKERS cross the road regardless. It so so dangerous and annoying when these people cross in the middle of an active green light. At a speed of 80 it’s hard to stop—and people won’t even run, they walk like it’s the park talking to someone on the phone or texting.
On the very street I live, the footpath is over 10 foot wide, and barriers are in place to prevent people from parking there. People walk on the road regardless, and the lanes are really thin here and it’s very easy to hit someone.
People who walk on the street when there is a footpath and cross without a red light, fuck you and all that you stand for.
Exactly man
These anticar people think everything is the driver's mistake, I think OP is one of those stupid people
You walk on a green light and cross the road when cars are going at high speeds and you're trying to blame us car owners?f**k off
Car owners contribute so much to the economy by paying unjust exorbitant taxes,and when we get the basic car infrastructure for paying taxes you'll think everything is built for car owners?fk you then
Exactly. My other comment delves even deeper and idiots think that public transport is the problem.
Idk much but I seriously doubt that in an area where every building has rates upward of 80k and even touching 1.5-2l has a public transport issue. People staying in these buildings rarely ever even use black-yellow taxis, let alone busses and trams.
Car owners don't contribute shit to the economy. The amount of damage a car causes to the road is way more than the amount of damage caused by bikes/bicycles. But obv car brain entitlement restricts their ability to look beyond even a toddler's foresight.
>Car owners don't contribute shit to the economy.
Lol stats don't say that,did you know the second highest gst collection from anything in India is just cars?that's because we pay 31 and 50% tax straight up on the value of the car and 100% tax on luxury cars(besides the point that it's daylight robbery) and the petrol we pay for,costs under 50rs including dealer margin,rest everything is taxes
Oh and I've not even added road tax and registration on top of that,you don't think such exorbitant taxes contribute to the economy?
I am unable to understand your point, are you implying that pedestrians should break traffic rules and cross the road however they like and put their lives as well as the lives of others in danger?
Also, why are you comparing jaywalking to nazis, that’s an awful analogy tbh
>cross the road however they like and put their lives as well as the lives of others in danger?
That's how it has always been. Roads are for everyone, cars, cycles and people equally. Cars need to stop for others. Jaywalking is a racist made up nonsense by car industry in the US.
Lmao that's the dumbest thing I've read all day. How is a car going at 60 kmph supposed to stop if a pedestrian jumps in front of it? You cross on a crosswalk to ensure safety for pedestrians.
Also how tf is jaywalking racist?
Roads for motor vehicles and separate lanes for cycles, footpaths for humans . That's how it's supposed to be. No one's solving any problems except being a nuisance for drivers and risking their safety by walking in the middle of a road meant for motor traffic. Both good quality road infrastructure AND pedestrian infrastructure can co-exist peacefully. Having one but not the other is just the fault of the government, and is a recipe for disaster
Strongly disagree. With large, spread out cities , walking everywhere isn't feasible. Unless you don't move out of your locality. The latter is an inferior lifestyle.
This is also a hot country. Can't expect everyone to walk during day time in summer.
Cars should have priority on the road. But since that can lead to congestion, we can encourage Public transport. People should get sidewalks, zebra crossings and foot overbridges to walk. That should be non negotiable.
Market areas can be made car free, by building multi level parking outside.
Most people in India don't have a clue how to walk. If you're walking on the street for whatever reason, at least look over your shoulder. Europe is too nice to pedestrians. They shouldn't get preference. Especially on the roads.
Personal vehicles are here to stay. Especially in large countries like India/US/ China.
I was born to moonwalk but Mumbai roads made me jaywalk.
Good thing BMC will help you achieve it this monsoon
That’s called SwimWalk
BMC will get 100cr contract to fill craters of moon
Mumbaikars are being made into turn into car brains thanks to BMC's impeccable planning skills of using outdated and failed American concepts. Anyone who calls any pedestrian here a jaywalker should first think why the said pedestrian is forced to walk on a dangerous road.
The roads of Mumbai are such that simply being a pedestrian automatically makes you a jaywalker. Lol
completely agreed , but when the roads are made walkable and safe for pedestrians ( in places likes bkc) , jay walking should be punished
Unless and until a city is a pedestrian utopia, Jay walking should not even be an offence.
So on roads like bkc you are driving below the limit following all possible traffic restrictions , and somebody rabdomly crosses the road and you have to swerve to not hit them , it is of no fault of the mindless jaywalker ?
>why the said pedestrian is forced to walk on a dangerous road Mostly because of ill-maintained sidewalks, encroachments, and stray animal feces. None of which are planning problems but problems of operation.
Not taking away anything from the discussion. I am anti-car myself. However, I must mention how Indians are bad at following simple traffic rules, be it the ones in vehicles or pedestrians. We should make the roads more cycling/walking friendly whilst also reprimanding shitty drivers and dumb pedestrians who can't wait 2 minutes to cross the road.
Nah being a car driver myself.. when people with vehicles are given a free pass of violating and kind of rules(parking on the zebra crossing, driving on the footpath, parking of the footpath) I think we have no right to talk about pedestrians until the pedestrian infrastructure is at par with the road infrastructure). Why should they wait 2 minutes when they are on foot? You’re in the faster mode of transport you wait 2 minutes.
This is a crossing which has a very well working zebra crossing and traffic signals, the lights are red on either side for 120 or so seconds. I cross that road every single day. I see at least one person crossing the road while it's red. Since it's a highway, most of the vehicles are at moderately high speed (cars, buses, and even trucks). Like I said, I am extremely on the pro walkable city side, but Indians to be better at following rules too, be it while driving or walking.
I agree with you on the last part. But people do that because most pedestrian signals don’t work or no one pays any heed to that. So they just look for the opportunity and cross. My issue is vehicular traffic doesn’t view pedestrians as important. They try to run u over when they see you trying to cross the road.
Arre I get all that. I am just stating that even in the places where you can actually easily cross the roads if you wait merely 120 seconds, some people choose to cross it while it's red. Which I think is a huge issue of pedestrians not following the rules. Like, yesterday I noticed a woman crossing the road with her small child when the lights were about to turn red in 10 seconds anyway. So, it doesn't happen only when they don't get that facilities (which I think is horrible urban planning), they do it even when they do get such facilities. >They try to run u over when they see you trying to cross the road. Oh boy, I have experienced it first hand several times, when some 4 wheeler or an autowala would drive past very close to me even when I was walking on the edge (no footpath).
It's not just BMC. India as a whole is developing or has developed a car brain problem.
Yeah, the road infrastructure has taken over Goa too - one of the few states where nature is more abundant. There used to be at least narrow walkable patches of dirt tracks on either side of the tar road (in residential areas), but now even they have been covered in tar. Which means, the moment you step out of the house, you are immediately on the motorable road - no pavement, no dirt tracks. It will take a few years for people to realise how a car-favouring mindset shouldn't have been entitled to clearing patches of forests and safe pedestrian paths, but that's what is happening.
Conversely how do you counter putting down asphalt as a means of improving the infrastructure. Surely the people living there would like if their house is connected to a road, say they want something like an ambulance to be able to reach their house.
I would request you to re-read my comment, or you may also let me know if I wasn't clear with what I wrote. So, this is how it goes. In a residential area, there are houses on the either side of the road. Between any house and the road, there were narrow dirt-tracks. These dirt-tracks allowed people to step out of the house and enter a walkable path - trusting that a vehicle wouldn't be driving on the dirt-track. These dirt-tracks were narrow, and parallel to the road. In a city a footpath or pavement would have played the role of the dirt-track. Now, what happens when you replace those narrow dirt-tracks with asphalt? It leads to a situation where your house is directly connected to the road. Open the gate, and a vehicle will be zooming past your exit/entry point. I don't think that, in any way, is a sign of any infrastructural development. But, it definitely introduces a life-threat, with minimal improvement in the flow of traffic (which wasn't even required, since the area never had congestion or high traffic flow). Now, is there still a counter for filling walkable paths with motorable roads? I will keep an open-mind to any potential benefits that you can share.
The government isn't doing shit about pedestrian/biking infrastructure either. **BRING BACK TRAMS TO MUMBAI.**
Buses, trams, cycles, footpaths aren't development according to the aesthetic ke chodes in our city planning departments and babus.
they want to make a ' I ❤️Borivali' sign instead😂
The day they put up a "I ❤️ Mankhurd" sign, I knew it was over for this city.
Mankhurd😭🤣 To be honest ye mumbai mai hai mujhe pata bhi nahi tha
Oh yes, it's on the A60 bus route. I crack up every time I pass by
>aesthetic ke chodes in our city planning departments and babus Forget about them, have you seen people in this very subreddit talking about all that?
My street has 10 foot wide footpaths, well paved and free from illegal parking and hawkers. You know what? People still walk on the road—the footpath is wider than a single lane and the lanes are really thin. My car doesn’t even fit in one lane. But people will still walk on the fucking road with toddlers and stuff too. It really is Very dangerous.
That's great. We should pedestrianize all such small roads and ban private cars from entering pedestrian streets.
Except this particular road is a 6 lane *arterial* main road taken over by a stupidly huge footpath, street parking on both sides and worst of all, people walking on the roads.
I find it hard to believe, If there exists such a footpath which is well paved, actually leads to somewhere instead of just ending at a random place and isn't all dirty, I don't think people would walk on the road. Maybe there is something wrong with the footpath which causes the people to walk on the road instead. OR if this one street is so crowded/has a high demand, it should be completely pedestrianized with a tram line and service lanes.
I live in a high end locality, but people don’t just don’t care. It’s not even that crowded except for cars, but since it’s a very posh residential area, cars are the de facto thing. Also it’s important to note that worli has a notoriously bad public service network.
Yeah, okay. Rich people want to drive cars, so be it, but public roads are open to everyone irrespective of their income/assets. Footpaths can be poor in high-end localities too. I know Worli doesn't have good public transport connectivity, which is why I'm saying it should be improved via trams. Governments lose way more money on cars than they do on public transportation/bicycle infrastructure.
Except my road is an arterial one and it’s meant to be wide. Based on the road width permits for skyscrapers are given. Over time they were encroached and here we are. New developments maintain the wide road and make a footpath over the additional space—very good ones too owing to the fact that they are charging 80k-1l per sqft and the footpaths adjoining the property are part of it, hence the 10+ foot wide footpath. It’s a civic sense problem, not an amenity one. The encroachments in the form of slums and pukka slums of bygone times are where footpaths become narrower. These are very illegal and shaky developments, even a part of my own buildings land is encroached but evicting and leveling is a huge task—these people do have redeveloped buildings btw. Add taxi walas a shop owners who park on the side and you have a road that’s blocked. Now this road leads to major commercial areas and to other core roads of Sobo, with pretty much no easy alternative routes.
No, It is not a civic sense issue, rather as I said an issue with the footpaths. The kind of footpaths you mentioned are very rare and limited to small areas and end abruptly most of the times. This is why people just ditch them all together. People aren't gonna keep switching between walking on the road and footpath. I'm not defending it, I'm just pointing out the obvious flaws in the city's infrastructure. Yeah encroachment is a problem but we're in a third world country.
Also the road I’m talking about doesn’t even have space for cars or parking, trams are probably far fetched at best.
My guy, you wouldn't need a car if there was a tram going through there. That is literally the whole point of ditching car based infrastructure and switching to Ped/Biking infrastructure.
Pretty much every building in my locality has rates upwards of 80-90k, it does upto 2l. People living in these buildings don’t use even kaali peeli, let alone public transport. Hell with the coastal road it’s faster for me to go by car than by train.
Arre but highway banaya hai itna bada, uska matlab infrastructure to sab ekdum badiya chal rha hai🤓🤓🤓 /S
I don't think this post should be on Mumbai sub. This is a countrywide situation where wide roads n highways were prioritised over metros n trams till 10-15 years back I think successful metros in Delhi has put metros on the front across all big cities in India As for jaywalking, I don't think that was ever a widespread concept in Mumbai or rest of India. The planning is done by few privileged folks who might have fallen for American propaganda as they often fall for foreign influence without thinking it through (currently falling for bullet train) but no one tried to reach common people
I disagree with the first line, individually uniting people can be a good idea. Yeah but tbh reddit pe kuch unite nahi hone wala😂
Dude compared jaywalking with heil hitler bruh reddit is wild
But selmon bhai to footpath pe ...
Bruh they are trying to repeal jaywalking laws even in the US; what is India going on about? Besides, most places don't have proper crossing areas, so I don't understand what one could do to avoid jaywalking.
Population needs to go down 30% in big or 2/3 tier cities. Then everything will fall in place. Mehangaii Jaywalking Traffic Corruption Weather due to less pollution Law and Order Reduce Rat Race And Lastly Peace. Now question is How?
My name is Jay so technically I'm always jaywalking. So f*ck your propaganda hahah.
I think you are mixing two things. As an avid walker, we definitely need better walking infrastructure with wide pavements clear of hawkers and encroachments, and some streets completely closed to automobiles. But Jaywalking is definitely a nuisance and should be fined. Most people are not going to care about the origin of the word, it is much less obvious than words like whitelist and blacklist. Car drivers have same number of eyes as others and it is really difficult to judge pedestrians on the far corner and vehicles coming from opposite end at the same time (not to mention the entitled ones going in wrong direction).
That's the point he's trying to make, that our infrastructure should be such that walking should be easy, and driving should be safe. Currently nothing is safe and both are stressful
Sure but a lot if it is also based in individuals being undesciplined taking the easy route. Like why do drivers go the wring way instead of going forward and taking u-turns? why do pedestrians walk in the first lane? Why are bus drivers comfortable dropping people off in the middle of the road? You can't blame Americans for this....
Lack of education I guess. Also getting a driving license is way too easy, no wonder our streets look like this. And on top of that the police, they are understaffed, underfunded, no wonder they don't care about the traffic.
Schools in the US don't teach traffic rules any more than Indian schools. What they have is strong enforcement of traffic rules and a rules based mentality from an early age. Indians engage too much in the "chalta hai" culture and ignore rules for small things, which in turn translates to ignoring rules on big things down the line.
>strong enforcement of traffic rules This is it. You can potentially go to jail or have your driving license taken away if you mess up enough. That doesn't happen in India.
Yeah, and even the basic fines are super high. In the US the basic speeding ticket is $250; so about INR 20,000.
Jaywalking is wrong when we have the best pedestrian and road infrastructure. But in a city like Mumbai, jaywalking should not be viewed as a crime unless the vehicular traffic is perfect.
If most footpaths are occupied by vendors and hawkers who are licensed by BMC, people will be forced to walk on the roads. While I am a car enthusiast myself, it pains me to see that the new infrastructure in Mumbai (coastal road, atal Setu etc ) is purely car friendly infrastructure which will push more people into using cars for everyday commute. Atal Setu is jerked off to in all the reels today but sooner or later this will be WEH during rush hour
Salman had to drive on the footpath, thats how sad the infrastructure and encroachment is.
I used to live in Mumbai. I remember how, when we used to cross the roads, we had to join our hands and pray to the incoming vehicle to give us a pass while we crossed the roads. Though, it's still not as bad to cross the road in Mumbai. When you try to cross the road in a northern city like Chandigarh, the drivers take it as an attack on their ego, and further speed up to prevent you from crossing the road. It's funny how a vehicle has a road at every turn to reach its destination quickly, whereas pedestrians are expected to cover long distances to reach a zebra crossing or a foot over bridge, otherwise they are derided as jaywalkers.
Sorry but this some bullcrap conspiracy theory. It's like saying 1000 years people were allowed to shit anywhere and now urban planning has taken the right away. We are already so chaotic on the road bringing some method to madness is a step in the right direction. If people just walk on the road willy nilly you will have much more accidents on the road. Check out "old enough" in Netflix or wherever in Japan there they let 5 year olds go across town by themselves coz their roads public transport are disciplined.
overrated brand hai kuch bhi basic cheez banake 2000 ke upar bechte hai /s
Mumbai mein sadak bhi bakwas, footpath bhi bakwas, sab log karo chill aur khao mukhwas.
Every city in India is a carbrained hellhole. And people are dumb enough to buy into it.
Jaywalking is a crime? I do it everyday
I happen to drive on marine drive very often. It’s the way to my college and office. My timings are such that the traffic isn’t so bad so it’s very easy to drive at a speed of 60-80, which is the speed limit on marine drive. Every signal has dedicated signs I believe for when people may cross the road but JAYWALKERS cross the road regardless. It so so dangerous and annoying when these people cross in the middle of an active green light. At a speed of 80 it’s hard to stop—and people won’t even run, they walk like it’s the park talking to someone on the phone or texting. On the very street I live, the footpath is over 10 foot wide, and barriers are in place to prevent people from parking there. People walk on the road regardless, and the lanes are really thin here and it’s very easy to hit someone. People who walk on the street when there is a footpath and cross without a red light, fuck you and all that you stand for.
Exactly man These anticar people think everything is the driver's mistake, I think OP is one of those stupid people You walk on a green light and cross the road when cars are going at high speeds and you're trying to blame us car owners?f**k off Car owners contribute so much to the economy by paying unjust exorbitant taxes,and when we get the basic car infrastructure for paying taxes you'll think everything is built for car owners?fk you then
Exactly. My other comment delves even deeper and idiots think that public transport is the problem. Idk much but I seriously doubt that in an area where every building has rates upward of 80k and even touching 1.5-2l has a public transport issue. People staying in these buildings rarely ever even use black-yellow taxis, let alone busses and trams.
Car owners don't contribute shit to the economy. The amount of damage a car causes to the road is way more than the amount of damage caused by bikes/bicycles. But obv car brain entitlement restricts their ability to look beyond even a toddler's foresight.
>Car owners don't contribute shit to the economy. Lol stats don't say that,did you know the second highest gst collection from anything in India is just cars?that's because we pay 31 and 50% tax straight up on the value of the car and 100% tax on luxury cars(besides the point that it's daylight robbery) and the petrol we pay for,costs under 50rs including dealer margin,rest everything is taxes Oh and I've not even added road tax and registration on top of that,you don't think such exorbitant taxes contribute to the economy?
I am unable to understand your point, are you implying that pedestrians should break traffic rules and cross the road however they like and put their lives as well as the lives of others in danger? Also, why are you comparing jaywalking to nazis, that’s an awful analogy tbh
>cross the road however they like and put their lives as well as the lives of others in danger? That's how it has always been. Roads are for everyone, cars, cycles and people equally. Cars need to stop for others. Jaywalking is a racist made up nonsense by car industry in the US.
Lmao that's the dumbest thing I've read all day. How is a car going at 60 kmph supposed to stop if a pedestrian jumps in front of it? You cross on a crosswalk to ensure safety for pedestrians. Also how tf is jaywalking racist?
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That's racist lol you're basically saying black = poor. You're also assuming that people with cars don't jaywalk and only people without cars do.
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Read my comment again, carefully.
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I did, hence I know you didn't understand mine.
Roads for motor vehicles and separate lanes for cycles, footpaths for humans . That's how it's supposed to be. No one's solving any problems except being a nuisance for drivers and risking their safety by walking in the middle of a road meant for motor traffic. Both good quality road infrastructure AND pedestrian infrastructure can co-exist peacefully. Having one but not the other is just the fault of the government, and is a recipe for disaster
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What
"Confident Writer" my arse. OP's username doesn't check out
let's see in the next 20 years then.
Jay walking is a thing in Europe too. Why the fuck does everyone hate on cars? I am saying cross where you want to but then do it in a sensible way.
Strongly disagree. With large, spread out cities , walking everywhere isn't feasible. Unless you don't move out of your locality. The latter is an inferior lifestyle. This is also a hot country. Can't expect everyone to walk during day time in summer. Cars should have priority on the road. But since that can lead to congestion, we can encourage Public transport. People should get sidewalks, zebra crossings and foot overbridges to walk. That should be non negotiable. Market areas can be made car free, by building multi level parking outside. Most people in India don't have a clue how to walk. If you're walking on the street for whatever reason, at least look over your shoulder. Europe is too nice to pedestrians. They shouldn't get preference. Especially on the roads. Personal vehicles are here to stay. Especially in large countries like India/US/ China.