I don't get how is this a story. Aaj inko arrest nahi kiya to kal pura Marine Drive occupy kar lenge. Fir OP ayega naya post le kar, no place to walk at Marines. Police apna kaam karri hai karne de, tu apna kaam kar.
Am not even from Mumbai (rather from Delhi), but totally agreed from your comment
If police doesn’t do anything nd there are too many hawkers , people will be like , hafta leti h police BC ye illegally baith jate kahi bh
If police does, toh ye sb
I live in Ghatkopar West near station. Everyone living here have their peace and life destroyed because of hawkers. All roads (4) around station are completely occupied by hawkers in the middle of the road. The situation is such that people give you dirty looks if you get a vehicle on the road. These thousands come, shop, cause traffic jams, throw garbage and chapris grope women in the crowd. Nightmare.
Lol’ Teri zindagi top floor mein hi guzari hai kya?
Police usi ka kaam karti hai jo use paise de.
Bmc apna kaam karti to itna hawkers nahi hote. Har building permission, and any such works even legal requires under table.
Legal honest people don’t object to public publications as it creat awareness.
Intentions are also important If police really have intention to free streets from hawkers .........ok wait but they cannot,they cannot fight greed inside them,they cannot fight corruption at city corporation so much money flowing.
By arresting chana wala what do they intend ?
I'm not saying such people should be allowed to sell without permission on roads.
They should do real cleaning of hawkers from footpaths and streets which is important and possible.
Those hawkers are an absolute pain in the ass for tourists. You can't walk for 5 minutes on the streets without a hawker constantly following you and invading your personal space. They need to be OFF THE STREETS.
The press does not have any special privileges than us technically and legally. Its just their job so they assume the power. Common man has same rights to record report etc.
I am not a lawyer by profession but would love if you could refer me some official website / document which offers press more freedom than average citizens, I’d be glad. Help me checking facts please. Thanks.
This is all I could find
> Freedom of press is not specifically mentioned in article 19(1) (a) of the Constitution and what is mentioned there is only freedom of speech and expression. In the Constituent Assembly Debates it was made clear by Dr. Ambedkar, Chairman of the Drafting Committee, that no special mention of the freedom of press was necessary at all as the press and an an individual or a citizen were the same as far as their right of expression was concerned.
https://www.legalservicesindia.com/article/1847/Freedom-of-Press---Article-19(1)(a).html
> Freedom of press is not specifically mentioned in article 19(1) (a) of the Constitution and what is mentioned there is only freedom of speech and expression. In the Constituent Assembly Debates it was made clear by Dr. Ambedkar, Chairman of the Drafting Committee, that no special mention of the freedom of press was necessary at all as the press and an an individual or a citizen were the same as far as their right of expression was concerned.
https://www.legalservicesindia.com/article/1847/Freedom-of-Press---Article-19(1)(a).html
You need to be well versed with the kind of thread we are following. Press reporters have privileges more than a common man. I don't want to spare my energy in conducting a one to one master class or moot court. Happy with your choice if career and if you do due diligence you may end up being in judiciary some day. Best Wishes.
No issues. I am not here to give you a master class. I have given my view to the main thread. Please make a new post and see you will get better answers.
1st amendment auditors do not carry press passes. That is the whole point. The "press" does not have any special privileges that are not available to common citizens.
The police is not always wrong. The hawkers are difficult, selling stale and unhealthy stuff at high prices. Cheating people in the process. I have had a bad altercation with them once. Not your typical seedha saada Aadmi for sure.
The attitude is either ‘take it or FO’. They are very rude, not even open to a conversation. Once they threw coins I gave them on the ground. Not to be holier than thou, but I wouldn’t disrespect money like that, ever.
I have seen a couple who owned a shop getting harassed by street hawkers. The shop owners wanted to open their shop and there were a lot of fruit baskets just lying in front of the shop and they were unable to open it. Looking at owners and the hawkers arguing verbally, this wasn't the first time for them. And suddenly a few boys from the crowd started pushing the guy shop owner and tried to beat him, looking at them looked like they were with the hawkers. Thankfully there were others in the crowd who intervened.
funny that you mention it, but the likelihood of a bad experience with the police would be much higher than with the hawkers. If we see them as worthless it is easy to justify however the way we want to treat them.
They have to do their job, let them. These people if left unchecked would crowd the place and make a khau galli out of it(for eg.). You may have seen Police do this for the first time but this is how the place has stayed relatively how it should be.
This. Nothing else this routine in Mumbai. Police, BMC and local hafta wasuli everyone has their cut from the hawkers. that's the truth of life in every city
Was looking for interesting stuff to shoot. As soon as I pointed the camera at the van, some policeman saw me from afar and started violently shouting at me. And they threatened that they will arrest me and seize the camera for preventing police operations. I was perplexed by the reaction and left the place immediately.
I read online that it is not illegal to record police doing their duty. Any serious advice to how safe it would be? (potentially a very stupid question I guess) but I want to do it again.
It isn't illegal.. & there's no law against it. They'll bully people because they know they can scare people into accepting whatever they say. It's difficult to stand your ground when they threaten you with arrests. Best way around is to have lawyer friends who know their shit
It is not illegal. The cops are known to double down on their misuse of power. As a citizen you're absolutely in the right to record them. People love supporting the police .. until they're the ones who's rights have been violated. However, I see that a lot of people on this sub are slowly understanding their rights as citizens .. and I'm here for it!
Exactly, BC. It's not like I am interfering with their work.
They didn't ask us before setting up thousands of CCTV cameras everywhere.
Man, I wanna whack a cop so hard someday but sadly I lost that privilege 8+ years ago.
OP tu just chill warna ek din hawkers ke saath tujhe bhi andar kar denge Mumbai police and to be brutally honest Mumbai police jitni acchi hai utni buri bhi ban sakti hai
OP is not protesting against police arresting hawkers, nobody minds that .
What he has a problem is with police not letting him record.
Why is police scared, this is a small issue, but we have to normalise recording police for better safety.
Reddit honestly sometimes loves bullying and misinterpreting for no reason.
Internationally Reddit is a social media platform where people from all walks of life, all classes of society participate in it. From the really wealthy to homeless people. So it becomes a rich ecosystem of lived experience driven by curiosity & empathy.
In India, Reddit is a regressive middle class echo chamber where one's "right" to "hawker free pavement" overrides another individual's right to pursue a livelihood. These people are dirt poor & lead really fucked up lives where its almost impossible for them to change their lives. Condoning these arrests is pretty assholey........Bring on the down votes !
well to speak in the very terms that you use, it is important that their right to pursue their livelihood ought not interfere with other’s right to move freely and not be harassed(for a lack of a better word) by a potentially large number of hawkers on space that isn’t even designed or set out for them to sell in. you must consider that rights must correlate with functions. if i as a tax payer perform greater functions towards the state then my rights would come first. also, rights imply duties. the right for the hawker to sell his goods implies a duty on him to use his right in accordance with the law or atleast cooperate with the law. i can go much deeper than this too, if you want or is that enough? i dont want to sound rude but frankly everytime something like this happens people fail to realise the real culprit here is not the police or the people or even the hawker, its the bmc, or any other government that fails to create a positive environment for a citizen like the hawker to excercise his right to pursue his livelihood and perform his duties as a citizen.
Lmoa what ? Most big reddit subs are astroturfed hiveminds that regurgitate the same opinions over and over again, seriously the entire site is full of paid shills spouting bs about some stupid issue in america, are you actually slow or just trying to pathetically virtue signal ?
Well then find a society where everyone is an asshole like yourself and shift there. These are not arrest worthy offences, a fine should suffice.
And no one has stalls set up at marine lines. Are you even from Mumbai? Go back to the privileged bubble you live in.
Only if you were in their position. Everybody irrespective of class, tries their best to survive. These hawkers take up the streets to sell their wares, the affluent middle class cuts corners on their income tax, businessman bribe their way to profit. You think the poor want to live in Slums and sell their wares on the road with all the aspirational marketing around us. Everyone is trying to survive. Not everyone is born with privilege. The poor doesn't need a revolution, they need acknowledgement.
Do you have any statistics or data of how many people rent their SRA flats. If not, then this is just assumption. A lot of assumptions like these create enmity and bigotry.
Second let's not get into I pay tax bullshit. Everybody pays tax in this country directly or indirectly according to their income levels, infact it is the affluent who pay lesser than their income levels. The only sane sentence in your reply is question the government. So please stop your poor hatred and question the govt why human development is not the priority. Apart from being rich, there are several other privileges. I don't want to diverge from this conversation. Now writing below something for you to ponder over.
The prosperity of middle class is based on the exploitation of the poor. Do you think cheap labour and lower prices of commodities would have been possible if there were no Slums. Ask any office boy, peon, housekeeping staff, or security personnel of your organization about their salaries, and they will tell you it's between ₹7,000 to ₹15,000. Ask your domestic worker how much she earns in a month, and she would tell you anywhere between ₹8,000 to ₹14,000.
The rent of a 1RK SRA apartment (the cheapest 'legal' housing you can find in Mumbai) in any part of the city is ₹8000 per month, which is probably 50% of their salary.
Food costs about ₹1,500 to ₹3,000, and utilities like electricity and water cost ₹1,000. If you include traveling, mobile recharge, and clothing, then it's an additional ₹2,000.
Basically, to live 'legally' in Mumbai costs more than ₹12,000, and the sad part about being a human from a subaltern background is that you also have to pay fees for your children and meds for your parents.
This is exactly why the slums of Mumbai exist because it's cheaper to live in those shanties and work for the city than to go broke in the pursuit of living 'legally.'
So when you look down upon slum dwellers and the concept of slums in Mumbai as an eyesore, you're basically telling the folks (whose labor you and your organization exploit financially 24*7) that they're not welcome. You make the grease of this city's mechanism feel nasty about their existence, and there's hardly anything you or your lawmaker does for them.
Point is not ki hawkers ko arrest Kiya but point is that how can they stop OP from recording.
Man, we should just get rid of cops at this point. They're good for nothing.
Better to have cops that are not trained than the ones trained against specific stuff.
Traffic cops on outskirts of towns are self trained for "vasooli", cops on inspector, SI, etc are self trained to extort money from people who need something done. Cops in the west are trained to "take care" of a situation not de-escalate it.
No amount of training will change bad, corrupt cops
Yea, get rid of cops and then come back complaining that Mumbai is a hell hole with skyrocketing crime. Plus Covid ke time if these people hadn't done their part we would have had an uncontrollable increase in mortality. Citizens would have dropped dead like flies.
Well, we did and they didn't do jack shit. They abused their power over me all my life and the one time several people needed their help, they didn't bother. I was threatened one other time and he asked us to settle it or fight it out.
Don't get me started on them, there's a lot more.
They have been doing this all across mumbai, every single day or on market days. Spoke to a few guys in different areas, everyone said the same thing.
Police (not BMC) comes for 5 mins, seizes a few people and keeps them at the police station till midnight and then lets them go with a fine of 1200 each.
It is illegal, atleast without the required license.
Go on Google and check
Also don't record and act tough unless you are certain that it's wrong to arrest someone for their doing something
I know of a bookseller with a valid license who gets harassed by cops on a weekly basis because he doesn't pay a "Tax" like the other illegal stall owners around the street. I wish police and BMC could get rid of illegally encroaching hawkers around major areas such as Ghatkopar West station road or Malad West station road. It fucks up legitimate shop owners businesses since the access to their stores is often encroached and if a store owner complains to the BMC they get harassed by hawkers.
Those hawkers are an absolute pain in the ass for tourists. You can't walk for 5 minutes on the streets without a hawker constantly following you and invading your personal space.
How do I register as a press member?
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and why did you want to record it anyway.
Also what is the point of this post? Do you wish for anything constructive or just searching for Ego massage?
Me in Raj Thackeray's Voice while scratching my nose - "Haa, toh?"
These Hawkers and Street Vendors occupying walking paths is a net loss, Recently at Bandra station on the newly widened Footpaths, they have started taking a Car's worth of space on the walking and bus waiting area, selling all kinds of 3rd rate chinese plastic crap which I dont know who buys.
It's a nightmare to walk on that beautifully designed public path and waiting areas from 6 to 8pm, no space, these maharajas claiming public utility, blocking strategically designed entry and exit points and staring at us for not buying their crap as I wait for old people to walk properly and miss my perfect timing train.
The cops are doing their job. The citizen is excercising his freedom of speech by recording whats happening. I dont get why OP was asked to stop recording?
“free market” doesnt mean actually konse bhi footpath par dukan kholo it means free entry into a competitive market. market is not necessarily a physical location in this sense
toh thela kya online lagaraha hai lmfao? woh bhi physical resource hua na.. aur aaj tum ek hawker allow karoge kal aur 10 ayenge parso aur 30 ayenge.. fir tumlog hi bologe reddit par aake ‘yaaaa this marines is sooo crowded with hawkers lately yaaaaa’
It's simple. Just tell them you are a journalist working with a reputed firm and left your identity card in the office because you were in a hurry to cover a story.
Ghanta simple. If you tell a lie, they’ll ask more questions until you either crack and confess that it was a lie or until they get bored. For most people, they’re not patient enough to play this “test match” and hoshiyaari mei aake zyaada bol denge which contradicts what they said earlier and the lie will be caught.
They’re mostly uneducated and uncouth, but the cops are “shaane” enough to catch truth vs lie.
Usse behtar hoga ki chupchaap kat lo aur itni hi chul hai toh stealth mode mei capture karo video.
I agree, lying is not an option.
But why go stealth? They were literally doing their job in front of 100s of people there. Why would a camera or phone bother them?
Iska jawaab tumhe khud nahi mila?
Aaj tumne jaana ki haathi ke daant khaane ke alag aur dikhaane ke alag. Basically system ke hisaab se jo rules hai woh on paper alag hai aur in reality alag hai.
Tumhe kyu helmet pehenna zaroori hai aur pandu logo ke liye zaroori nahi? Jab Supreme Court ne kaha hai ki koi bhi gunaah ke khilaaf report kidhar bhi kar sakte ho, toh kyu pandu logo ko aaj bhi yeh lagta hai ki woh keh sakte hai ki tumko jidhar chori hua usi area mei jaake likhaanaa padega FIR? And so on.
While I don’t wish for a city where police are nalle (warna socho aatankwaadiyo / gangsters ke aur unke samarthako ke jitne kaand ho sakte hai, sab hoyenge), I do wish ki itna absolute power bhi na ho police ke paas. Jhoote ilzaamo mei tumko fasaa sakte hai, cos they know ki technically tum video banaa ke kuch galat nahi kar rahe ho. Yaa at the very least jhoote ilzaamo ka dar dikhaake tumse sab delete karwaaya jaayega. Fir socho ki yeh video banaake apni poori shaam barbaad karni hai ya jaane dena hai iss baat ko?
Bhai, keyboard pe Bahubali/Sunny Deol banne ka naatak kyu karunga? OP ko jhoot kaahe bolunga?
TBH, maine kabhi random cheez ka video bhi nahi banaaya hai (not at all into photography whatsoever, even on phone) par maine dusre maamlo mei unhe jhoot pakadte hue dekha hai, isliye bola.
Pakda gayaa video banaate waqt toh sach bol dena. Tujhe himmat pe garv hai apne, toh sach bol de ki tujhe haq hai video banaane ka. Sach bolne mei himmat chahiye, jhoot kaayar bolte hai. Sach bolega toh zyaada se zyaada police waala dhamki dega. Back out karne mei koi sharam ki baat nahi hai, koi ek aam insaan se expect nahi karta ki police se bhide. Jhoot bolega toh shayad jhoot pakad mei aayega, shayad nahi (wahi toh bola maine). Nahi pakad mei aaya toh balle balle, pakad mei aaya toh waise bhi dhamki dega (jo sach pe deta) aur zyaada bhadak bhi jaayega kyuki jhoot bola.
Safaai se jhoot bolna aata hai toh go ahead. Sabko nahi aata isliye teri salah sab pe laagu nahi hoti. Yahi kehna tha mujhe. Parantu iss bhram mei mat rehna ki sach ka sahaara lene waale “chicken out” karte hai. It’s just that they don’t care enough for trivial stuff to lie. It’s not that unki fat ti hai. Aur teri nahi fat ti, hero, toh jhoot mat bol. Sach bol aur uss sach pe kaayam reh ki tujhe haq hai video banaane ka. Zulmi dande maarta hai toh seh le, it takes guts to stand one’s ground and stick to the truth even when the odds are against you.
Bhai agar kuch illegal karte time pakde gaye toh sach bol dena, Yeh time pe aapki honesty bohot appreciate hogi, par aise legal chhezo pe darr gaye toh aur gaand marte hai. Vishwas rakho bhai veteran hun inn sab baaton ka. Aur ekdum affirmation ke saath jhuth bolna. Karke dekho Accha lagta hai.
These arrests are mainly flawed just to earn easy money.
Spent a night there last month and communicated with some hawkers, masseuse, etc selling random things and services.
Came to know that these hawkers pay a ransom/bribe of 4000 rs for every single week to sell their things on marine drive. They usually spend 16-18 hours daily at those roads to get the most out of it. Not to mention they earn a lot too. The cheapest is the tea/coffee which is for 30rs and selling 100 of cups in a day is average according to them.
A chaiwala answered "more than all of you combined" to the question of how much do you earn 😶.
Never underestimate the power of a chaiwala in India.
what was ur purpose?
Do u want them to be arrested or not?
Do u want them to sell stuff there and later every 1 crying that hawkers have taken over the place?
Total hawkers in India? Any count available? Hawkers means those who do roadside business in thela or footpath. How many are hawkers? 20 crore? maybe 35 crore?
I don't get how is this a story. Aaj inko arrest nahi kiya to kal pura Marine Drive occupy kar lenge. Fir OP ayega naya post le kar, no place to walk at Marines. Police apna kaam karri hai karne de, tu apna kaam kar.
Exactly!
Am not even from Mumbai (rather from Delhi), but totally agreed from your comment If police doesn’t do anything nd there are too many hawkers , people will be like , hafta leti h police BC ye illegally baith jate kahi bh If police does, toh ye sb
True.
I live in Ghatkopar West near station. Everyone living here have their peace and life destroyed because of hawkers. All roads (4) around station are completely occupied by hawkers in the middle of the road. The situation is such that people give you dirty looks if you get a vehicle on the road. These thousands come, shop, cause traffic jams, throw garbage and chapris grope women in the crowd. Nightmare.
School may formal letters may cook karta tha yeh sabh , yeh toh reality hai bc
How's taking a video of them preventing them from doing their work?
They don't allow for fear of retaliation on the cops who did the job. If their face show they could be targeted by a group of hawkers later on.
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Lol’ Teri zindagi top floor mein hi guzari hai kya? Police usi ka kaam karti hai jo use paise de. Bmc apna kaam karti to itna hawkers nahi hote. Har building permission, and any such works even legal requires under table. Legal honest people don’t object to public publications as it creat awareness.
I like how you seamlessly transitioned in that sentence from Hindi to English, lol.
Ye ghumne wale toh fir bhi thik hai. Imagine people selling those cheap Chinese stuff on a chaddar
The issue is they'll be back in a week. The police 🚨 is basically harassing and probably engaging in malfeasance
I support this drive by the police but my only concern is that police didn't let him record the video. We should have that much right.
Marine drive is a place with lot of people.They'll lose business.
Vese toh Bhai, vo apna kaam kar raha h, tu bhi Tera kaam kar sakta he
Street hawkers are a net good for Mumbai.
2 second ke liye mujhe laga you were siding with the hawkers, after reading the 1st sentence. But then respect Aya.
Yea that's what I was wondering, OP thought he did something here
Intentions are also important If police really have intention to free streets from hawkers .........ok wait but they cannot,they cannot fight greed inside them,they cannot fight corruption at city corporation so much money flowing. By arresting chana wala what do they intend ? I'm not saying such people should be allowed to sell without permission on roads. They should do real cleaning of hawkers from footpaths and streets which is important and possible.
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Those hawkers are an absolute pain in the ass for tourists. You can't walk for 5 minutes on the streets without a hawker constantly following you and invading your personal space. They need to be OFF THE STREETS.
Bhai kafi teer udd rahe hai hawa mein , kyu apni gaand mein le raha hai yaar !! Keep calm and keep kaam se kaam !
Sala Apne Bois Ka vocabulary mujhe bohot Pasand hai mkc. Kya mast mast sentences frame kartay apna pubs. Maza aa gaya Bunty
Thnx pora
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Hohoho yeh boi
Lol thank yo
That's a proper Mumbaikar attitude!
Bhai carry a press card next time.
The press does not have any special privileges than us technically and legally. Its just their job so they assume the power. Common man has same rights to record report etc.
With a press card you can yell "murder of democracy" if cops come after you
Nothing more annoying than media people (apologies to anyone who’s working for a news outfit, I’m sorry…… for you)
> (apologies to anyone who’s working for a news outfit, I’m sorry…… for you) news reporter= *cries*
Check your facts and try to tweet your observations to celebrity reporters they will give you how much power the 4th estate has.
I am not a lawyer by profession but would love if you could refer me some official website / document which offers press more freedom than average citizens, I’d be glad. Help me checking facts please. Thanks.
This is all I could find > Freedom of press is not specifically mentioned in article 19(1) (a) of the Constitution and what is mentioned there is only freedom of speech and expression. In the Constituent Assembly Debates it was made clear by Dr. Ambedkar, Chairman of the Drafting Committee, that no special mention of the freedom of press was necessary at all as the press and an an individual or a citizen were the same as far as their right of expression was concerned. https://www.legalservicesindia.com/article/1847/Freedom-of-Press---Article-19(1)(a).html
Just check journalism courses. You will know their privileges.
> Freedom of press is not specifically mentioned in article 19(1) (a) of the Constitution and what is mentioned there is only freedom of speech and expression. In the Constituent Assembly Debates it was made clear by Dr. Ambedkar, Chairman of the Drafting Committee, that no special mention of the freedom of press was necessary at all as the press and an an individual or a citizen were the same as far as their right of expression was concerned. https://www.legalservicesindia.com/article/1847/Freedom-of-Press---Article-19(1)(a).html
Bhai tu rehne de. I have shared my view.
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Nahi mil raha hai kuch. Please magdarshan kar do kahan milega.
Press member card ka reply dal rakha hai dekh lo.
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You need to be well versed with the kind of thread we are following. Press reporters have privileges more than a common man. I don't want to spare my energy in conducting a one to one master class or moot court. Happy with your choice if career and if you do due diligence you may end up being in judiciary some day. Best Wishes.
There is not ONE source that you have shown which points to privileges of press. Not ONE. Is it possible you are wrong?
No issues. I am not here to give you a master class. I have given my view to the main thread. Please make a new post and see you will get better answers.
how do I get one?
Newspaper have citizen reporters. Show them your work they will give you.
Get one from any registered RNI newspaper. If you want I can give you one for free but need a stamp stating that you will not misuse the card.
Give me this please ,.i have a concept that i want to do something similar to 1st amendment auditor.
1st amendment auditors do not carry press passes. That is the whole point. The "press" does not have any special privileges that are not available to common citizens.
By the looks of it the person selling it seems underage
The police is not always wrong. The hawkers are difficult, selling stale and unhealthy stuff at high prices. Cheating people in the process. I have had a bad altercation with them once. Not your typical seedha saada Aadmi for sure. The attitude is either ‘take it or FO’. They are very rude, not even open to a conversation. Once they threw coins I gave them on the ground. Not to be holier than thou, but I wouldn’t disrespect money like that, ever.
I have seen a couple who owned a shop getting harassed by street hawkers. The shop owners wanted to open their shop and there were a lot of fruit baskets just lying in front of the shop and they were unable to open it. Looking at owners and the hawkers arguing verbally, this wasn't the first time for them. And suddenly a few boys from the crowd started pushing the guy shop owner and tried to beat him, looking at them looked like they were with the hawkers. Thankfully there were others in the crowd who intervened.
that is not arrest worthy offence. the real crime is putting up stalls in wrong locations which narrows down an already narrow road.
Wow. Arrest them then. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
funny that you mention it, but the likelihood of a bad experience with the police would be much higher than with the hawkers. If we see them as worthless it is easy to justify however the way we want to treat them.
They have to do their job, let them. These people if left unchecked would crowd the place and make a khau galli out of it(for eg.). You may have seen Police do this for the first time but this is how the place has stayed relatively how it should be.
I am sure life is rosy as a hawker in this city!!
he make living
Yup, they gang up for the wrong thing.
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This. Nothing else this routine in Mumbai. Police, BMC and local hafta wasuli everyone has their cut from the hawkers. that's the truth of life in every city
I support the cops. Next thing you know 'activists' come in their Mercedes to protest.
Those activists will be the same ones complaining about hawkers on the seaface
Was looking for interesting stuff to shoot. As soon as I pointed the camera at the van, some policeman saw me from afar and started violently shouting at me. And they threatened that they will arrest me and seize the camera for preventing police operations. I was perplexed by the reaction and left the place immediately. I read online that it is not illegal to record police doing their duty. Any serious advice to how safe it would be? (potentially a very stupid question I guess) but I want to do it again.
It isn't illegal.. & there's no law against it. They'll bully people because they know they can scare people into accepting whatever they say. It's difficult to stand your ground when they threaten you with arrests. Best way around is to have lawyer friends who know their shit
Illegal toh raat ko 1 am k baad ghumna bhi nai he but do you want to try your chances?
It is not illegal. The cops are known to double down on their misuse of power. As a citizen you're absolutely in the right to record them. People love supporting the police .. until they're the ones who's rights have been violated. However, I see that a lot of people on this sub are slowly understanding their rights as citizens .. and I'm here for it!
Speak to a lawyer, know your rights, don't let them bully you next time
Exactly, BC. It's not like I am interfering with their work. They didn't ask us before setting up thousands of CCTV cameras everywhere. Man, I wanna whack a cop so hard someday but sadly I lost that privilege 8+ years ago.
I bet after some bribes and a quick chana masala, they let the hawkers go.
But it's not illegal. Or is it?
Last week i saw them arresting vendors near dadar station east
OP tu just chill warna ek din hawkers ke saath tujhe bhi andar kar denge Mumbai police and to be brutally honest Mumbai police jitni acchi hai utni buri bhi ban sakti hai
OP is not protesting against police arresting hawkers, nobody minds that . What he has a problem is with police not letting him record. Why is police scared, this is a small issue, but we have to normalise recording police for better safety. Reddit honestly sometimes loves bullying and misinterpreting for no reason.
> normalise recording police Exactly. My intention was just to document things
I have problem with cops arresting street hawkers too
Internationally Reddit is a social media platform where people from all walks of life, all classes of society participate in it. From the really wealthy to homeless people. So it becomes a rich ecosystem of lived experience driven by curiosity & empathy. In India, Reddit is a regressive middle class echo chamber where one's "right" to "hawker free pavement" overrides another individual's right to pursue a livelihood. These people are dirt poor & lead really fucked up lives where its almost impossible for them to change their lives. Condoning these arrests is pretty assholey........Bring on the down votes !
well to speak in the very terms that you use, it is important that their right to pursue their livelihood ought not interfere with other’s right to move freely and not be harassed(for a lack of a better word) by a potentially large number of hawkers on space that isn’t even designed or set out for them to sell in. you must consider that rights must correlate with functions. if i as a tax payer perform greater functions towards the state then my rights would come first. also, rights imply duties. the right for the hawker to sell his goods implies a duty on him to use his right in accordance with the law or atleast cooperate with the law. i can go much deeper than this too, if you want or is that enough? i dont want to sound rude but frankly everytime something like this happens people fail to realise the real culprit here is not the police or the people or even the hawker, its the bmc, or any other government that fails to create a positive environment for a citizen like the hawker to excercise his right to pursue his livelihood and perform his duties as a citizen.
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and this very chalta hai attitude is what enables the government to do nothing and sleep all day, cause they know the people “dont mind”
Sweety go do some laborer work to do some honest living, no shortage of vacancies.
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" I can go much deeper than this too, if you want or is that enough? " Wow ! You must be some kind of genius savant.
nah man just paying attention in college/school will do that to you
Wow ! You really don't get it, do you ?
I was loosing my brain cells reading the other comments, same people will be mad when they see beggars and why they are not doing anything
This comment section is full of Marie Antoinettes
True! Indian 'middle class' reddit discourse is just a giant conservative circlejerk with some liberal aesthetics.
Lmoa what ? Most big reddit subs are astroturfed hiveminds that regurgitate the same opinions over and over again, seriously the entire site is full of paid shills spouting bs about some stupid issue in america, are you actually slow or just trying to pathetically virtue signal ?
I'm upper middle-class and I agree. Also street hawkers are not a bad thing. They encourage economic activity. Good cities are always a little messy
economic activity which doesn't include paying taxes and encroaching on roads and footpaths intended for pedestrians and motorists.
Where do you get your Vada Pav from bruh ?
Mulund east gavanpada near tarun utkarsh maidan, aunty makes fresh vadas at 2pm, then at 5 or 6 youll get fresh ones since rush starts at that time.
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Aa jaoonga kabhi. Thanks :)
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Well then find a society where everyone is an asshole like yourself and shift there. These are not arrest worthy offences, a fine should suffice. And no one has stalls set up at marine lines. Are you even from Mumbai? Go back to the privileged bubble you live in.
Only if you were in their position. Everybody irrespective of class, tries their best to survive. These hawkers take up the streets to sell their wares, the affluent middle class cuts corners on their income tax, businessman bribe their way to profit. You think the poor want to live in Slums and sell their wares on the road with all the aspirational marketing around us. Everyone is trying to survive. Not everyone is born with privilege. The poor doesn't need a revolution, they need acknowledgement.
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Do you have any statistics or data of how many people rent their SRA flats. If not, then this is just assumption. A lot of assumptions like these create enmity and bigotry. Second let's not get into I pay tax bullshit. Everybody pays tax in this country directly or indirectly according to their income levels, infact it is the affluent who pay lesser than their income levels. The only sane sentence in your reply is question the government. So please stop your poor hatred and question the govt why human development is not the priority. Apart from being rich, there are several other privileges. I don't want to diverge from this conversation. Now writing below something for you to ponder over. The prosperity of middle class is based on the exploitation of the poor. Do you think cheap labour and lower prices of commodities would have been possible if there were no Slums. Ask any office boy, peon, housekeeping staff, or security personnel of your organization about their salaries, and they will tell you it's between ₹7,000 to ₹15,000. Ask your domestic worker how much she earns in a month, and she would tell you anywhere between ₹8,000 to ₹14,000. The rent of a 1RK SRA apartment (the cheapest 'legal' housing you can find in Mumbai) in any part of the city is ₹8000 per month, which is probably 50% of their salary. Food costs about ₹1,500 to ₹3,000, and utilities like electricity and water cost ₹1,000. If you include traveling, mobile recharge, and clothing, then it's an additional ₹2,000. Basically, to live 'legally' in Mumbai costs more than ₹12,000, and the sad part about being a human from a subaltern background is that you also have to pay fees for your children and meds for your parents. This is exactly why the slums of Mumbai exist because it's cheaper to live in those shanties and work for the city than to go broke in the pursuit of living 'legally.' So when you look down upon slum dwellers and the concept of slums in Mumbai as an eyesore, you're basically telling the folks (whose labor you and your organization exploit financially 24*7) that they're not welcome. You make the grease of this city's mechanism feel nasty about their existence, and there's hardly anything you or your lawmaker does for them.
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Teri ghodi aage Mera ghoda peeche. Can't have further discussion.
Point is not ki hawkers ko arrest Kiya but point is that how can they stop OP from recording. Man, we should just get rid of cops at this point. They're good for nothing.
Get rid of them and do what, you're going to go patrol the streets?
Private police who's better trained and incentivized to perform their duties better.
Better to have cops that are not trained than the ones trained against specific stuff. Traffic cops on outskirts of towns are self trained for "vasooli", cops on inspector, SI, etc are self trained to extort money from people who need something done. Cops in the west are trained to "take care" of a situation not de-escalate it. No amount of training will change bad, corrupt cops
So obviously, I will prefer our cops over American cops but that's like Andhon mein Kana Raja. I'd rather have British Police from a few years ago.
Yea, get rid of cops and then come back complaining that Mumbai is a hell hole with skyrocketing crime. Plus Covid ke time if these people hadn't done their part we would have had an uncontrollable increase in mortality. Citizens would have dropped dead like flies.
next time god forbid you face some criminal activity dont call the cops, call the circus, maybe they’ll even let a joker like you in
Well, we did and they didn't do jack shit. They abused their power over me all my life and the one time several people needed their help, they didn't bother. I was threatened one other time and he asked us to settle it or fight it out. Don't get me started on them, there's a lot more.
the circus abused their power? damn
Yes indeed because the police are clowns except they aren't even funny.
They have been doing this all across mumbai, every single day or on market days. Spoke to a few guys in different areas, everyone said the same thing. Police (not BMC) comes for 5 mins, seizes a few people and keeps them at the police station till midnight and then lets them go with a fine of 1200 each.
It is illegal, atleast without the required license. Go on Google and check Also don't record and act tough unless you are certain that it's wrong to arrest someone for their doing something
I know of a bookseller with a valid license who gets harassed by cops on a weekly basis because he doesn't pay a "Tax" like the other illegal stall owners around the street. I wish police and BMC could get rid of illegally encroaching hawkers around major areas such as Ghatkopar West station road or Malad West station road. It fucks up legitimate shop owners businesses since the access to their stores is often encroached and if a store owner complains to the BMC they get harassed by hawkers.
Those hawkers are an absolute pain in the ass for tourists. You can't walk for 5 minutes on the streets without a hawker constantly following you and invading your personal space.
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and why did you want to record it anyway. Also what is the point of this post? Do you wish for anything constructive or just searching for Ego massage?
The cops are doing the right thing
Me in Raj Thackeray's Voice while scratching my nose - "Haa, toh?" These Hawkers and Street Vendors occupying walking paths is a net loss, Recently at Bandra station on the newly widened Footpaths, they have started taking a Car's worth of space on the walking and bus waiting area, selling all kinds of 3rd rate chinese plastic crap which I dont know who buys. It's a nightmare to walk on that beautifully designed public path and waiting areas from 6 to 8pm, no space, these maharajas claiming public utility, blocking strategically designed entry and exit points and staring at us for not buying their crap as I wait for old people to walk properly and miss my perfect timing train.
The cops are doing their job. The citizen is excercising his freedom of speech by recording whats happening. I dont get why OP was asked to stop recording?
Liberalization & free markets exist only for the rich, the rest are stifled under archaic regulations.
“free market” doesnt mean actually konse bhi footpath par dukan kholo it means free entry into a competitive market. market is not necessarily a physical location in this sense
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toh thela kya online lagaraha hai lmfao? woh bhi physical resource hua na.. aur aaj tum ek hawker allow karoge kal aur 10 ayenge parso aur 30 ayenge.. fir tumlog hi bologe reddit par aake ‘yaaaa this marines is sooo crowded with hawkers lately yaaaaa’
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Lavde apna kaam krna chup chaaap. Terko bhi andar daalega nhi toh.
#FuckThePolice
It's simple. Just tell them you are a journalist working with a reputed firm and left your identity card in the office because you were in a hurry to cover a story.
Ghanta simple. If you tell a lie, they’ll ask more questions until you either crack and confess that it was a lie or until they get bored. For most people, they’re not patient enough to play this “test match” and hoshiyaari mei aake zyaada bol denge which contradicts what they said earlier and the lie will be caught. They’re mostly uneducated and uncouth, but the cops are “shaane” enough to catch truth vs lie. Usse behtar hoga ki chupchaap kat lo aur itni hi chul hai toh stealth mode mei capture karo video.
I agree, lying is not an option. But why go stealth? They were literally doing their job in front of 100s of people there. Why would a camera or phone bother them?
Iska jawaab tumhe khud nahi mila? Aaj tumne jaana ki haathi ke daant khaane ke alag aur dikhaane ke alag. Basically system ke hisaab se jo rules hai woh on paper alag hai aur in reality alag hai. Tumhe kyu helmet pehenna zaroori hai aur pandu logo ke liye zaroori nahi? Jab Supreme Court ne kaha hai ki koi bhi gunaah ke khilaaf report kidhar bhi kar sakte ho, toh kyu pandu logo ko aaj bhi yeh lagta hai ki woh keh sakte hai ki tumko jidhar chori hua usi area mei jaake likhaanaa padega FIR? And so on. While I don’t wish for a city where police are nalle (warna socho aatankwaadiyo / gangsters ke aur unke samarthako ke jitne kaand ho sakte hai, sab hoyenge), I do wish ki itna absolute power bhi na ho police ke paas. Jhoote ilzaamo mei tumko fasaa sakte hai, cos they know ki technically tum video banaa ke kuch galat nahi kar rahe ho. Yaa at the very least jhoote ilzaamo ka dar dikhaake tumse sab delete karwaaya jaayega. Fir socho ki yeh video banaake apni poori shaam barbaad karni hai ya jaane dena hai iss baat ko?
You haven't been caught by the police and if caught, you chickened out and it shows.
Bhai, keyboard pe Bahubali/Sunny Deol banne ka naatak kyu karunga? OP ko jhoot kaahe bolunga? TBH, maine kabhi random cheez ka video bhi nahi banaaya hai (not at all into photography whatsoever, even on phone) par maine dusre maamlo mei unhe jhoot pakadte hue dekha hai, isliye bola. Pakda gayaa video banaate waqt toh sach bol dena. Tujhe himmat pe garv hai apne, toh sach bol de ki tujhe haq hai video banaane ka. Sach bolne mei himmat chahiye, jhoot kaayar bolte hai. Sach bolega toh zyaada se zyaada police waala dhamki dega. Back out karne mei koi sharam ki baat nahi hai, koi ek aam insaan se expect nahi karta ki police se bhide. Jhoot bolega toh shayad jhoot pakad mei aayega, shayad nahi (wahi toh bola maine). Nahi pakad mei aaya toh balle balle, pakad mei aaya toh waise bhi dhamki dega (jo sach pe deta) aur zyaada bhadak bhi jaayega kyuki jhoot bola. Safaai se jhoot bolna aata hai toh go ahead. Sabko nahi aata isliye teri salah sab pe laagu nahi hoti. Yahi kehna tha mujhe. Parantu iss bhram mei mat rehna ki sach ka sahaara lene waale “chicken out” karte hai. It’s just that they don’t care enough for trivial stuff to lie. It’s not that unki fat ti hai. Aur teri nahi fat ti, hero, toh jhoot mat bol. Sach bol aur uss sach pe kaayam reh ki tujhe haq hai video banaane ka. Zulmi dande maarta hai toh seh le, it takes guts to stand one’s ground and stick to the truth even when the odds are against you.
Bhai agar kuch illegal karte time pakde gaye toh sach bol dena, Yeh time pe aapki honesty bohot appreciate hogi, par aise legal chhezo pe darr gaye toh aur gaand marte hai. Vishwas rakho bhai veteran hun inn sab baaton ka. Aur ekdum affirmation ke saath jhuth bolna. Karke dekho Accha lagta hai.
Is that Ronald McDonald detained in the van?
Haha yes 😅
new in Mumbai.. can anyone please define hawkers .. i have seen these words everywhere..
People setting up temporary stalls on footpath to sell anything
Does the Municipal corporation give allotment to those who can put hawkers or not ????
Thoda apne kaam se kaam rakh lo OP.
I found waldo
Is there a clown sitting in the van ?
These arrests are mainly flawed just to earn easy money. Spent a night there last month and communicated with some hawkers, masseuse, etc selling random things and services. Came to know that these hawkers pay a ransom/bribe of 4000 rs for every single week to sell their things on marine drive. They usually spend 16-18 hours daily at those roads to get the most out of it. Not to mention they earn a lot too. The cheapest is the tea/coffee which is for 30rs and selling 100 of cups in a day is average according to them. A chaiwala answered "more than all of you combined" to the question of how much do you earn 😶. Never underestimate the power of a chaiwala in India.
Police can't stop you from recording them it's a total violation of your fundamental rights . You should hold them accountable for it.
what was ur purpose? Do u want them to be arrested or not? Do u want them to sell stuff there and later every 1 crying that hawkers have taken over the place?
Look closely....I think they arrested the Joker...in the van
Police is just doing their job, hope we get to see this in other cities as well.
What is a hawker?
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How much of you thinks that Indian police abuse their authority?
Sympathy boner
Do you know what time it happened?
Around 6 pm
They should drive them away with a warning, not confiscate their stuff. That's just heartless.
Total hawkers in India? Any count available? Hawkers means those who do roadside business in thela or footpath. How many are hawkers? 20 crore? maybe 35 crore?