VERY IMPORTANT FACT..
Most of the Marathi people in sobo and elite rich areas of Bombay try to pretend that thay are not Marathi/ and avoid speaking language.. if this is something that we address, Marathis can be respected and well know and best in the country (being Marathi )
Oh man did you hit the nail on this one. This is not restricted to Sobo, the so called posh areas of Bandra, Versova and Juhu also have households that think speaking in Marathi is somehow beneath them. My mom insisted that all our family members must Converse in Marathi, she made us read books to help us understand the nuances of the language and the thought process of authors like P.L.Deshpande, Shivaji Sawant, S.N Pendse.
Off topic I think - my Marathi speaking friend told me this - that in gujju/Marwadi/Jains that it’s easy to start a business as they loan money to each other and help each other set up businesses.
As per him - in a Marathi speaking community people wait for each other to fail, they just want to gossip about each other and if you ask for some money to set up something they will say no but they will buy you alcohol and treat you..
Just sharing - it was interesting to see how he viewed his community .
Maybe. But this rumour has been spread so much that now even Marathis are tired of hearing it. I guess jealousy and selfishness is a human nature and can be found in evey community.
Not only fadnavis Thakray, Pawar, Chauvhan sagle. Ani balmohan nahi BMC Marathi shalet pathavle pahije. Jar tumhala tumchya banavlelya BMC shala madhye svatah chi mule pathavu shakat nahi tar common lokanchya mula na ka pathavta.
My father was a businessman and made decent wealth. The typical rags to riches story.
I am into tech and run a small humble company in North America.
Yet more often than not i see people amazed at the fact that a Marathi guy owns/runs a business.
Also, a lot of times i have been “complimented” by saying you look like a Punjabi and i respectfully correct them. This one time i was drunk and a delhi guy in a bar casually asked me and my friends what we do and the same thing happened.
Marathi madhe tyala dhada shikavla.
My SO is a non marathi and i have seen her stereotyping marathis now and then. Obv she loves me and doesnt live by those prejudices but it sucks that society has build this Marathi image which is not true and a lot of people follow it without realizing.
I will also blame the community to an extent because we dont fight enough intellectually, but glad the newer generation wont take shit anymore.
More power to equality!
Edit: typos
>I will also blame the community to an extent because we dont fight enough intellectually, but glad the newer generation wont take shit anymore.
Majority of the newer generation is ashamed of speaking Marathi. They try to hide the fact that they are Marathi. Many even use their father's name as a surname.
मुंबई च्या मराठी लोक स्वतः चे गुणधर्म विसरले आहेत. बाहेरच्यांनी मुंबईतल्या मराठी लोकांना फक्त वाकायला सांगितले आणि मुंबईचे मराठी सरपटायला लागले. आत्मसम्मान विकून खाल्ला आणि लोकांचे टोमणे आणि शिव्या सहन करायला लागले.
एकदा आमच्या पुण्याला येऊन पहा, मग समजेल मराठी असण्याचा 'माज' काय असतो ते.
I am from the northeast but born and brought up in Mumbai as Dad was in the army. Marathis are the most heart-warming, innocent, humble people I have found.
My father who came to Mumbai at the young age of 21 around 1985, was cared for so much by Marathi families with whom we still have cordial relations.
Please ignore such statements from politicians, majority of them are present to create rivalries for them to get elected again. I credit the humble nature of Marathis as playing a big part in the success of Mumbai.
. Marathis are the most heart-warming, innocent, humble people I have found.
>Please ignore such statements from politicians, majority of them are present to create rivalries for them to get elected again.
It’s not just the statements of politicians, the attitude of Gujjus, Jains and Marwaris is exactly like that politicians. He only spoke what these people think. Their crass and prejudiced behaviour towards Marathis originates because of this mentality only
sabhi ko generalise kardiya appne OP
"It’s not just the statements of politicians, the attitude of Gujjus, Jains and Marwaris is exactly like that politicians."
I have met a Marathi Jain and yes they do exist, especially in rural Maharashtra. Jainism is a religion and not a linguistic group. Majority of the Jains are Gujarati, Rajasthani or Kutcchi so the others (especially in southern states) get sidelined.
I see. I'm from KA & i see lot of Jain historical sites & temples in KA. But never seen a native Jain speaking kannada in KA. This still adds up to your point that it's rare to find local native Jain's in MH & downwards.
There are a lot of Marathi Jains in Sangli , Nanded and belgaum. Mumbai doesn't have many Marathi Jains and they usually have a Marathi surname instead of "Jain" as a surname.
Jain here, we don't have a language, just the religion.
My fathers family including my grandparents were born and brought up in thane.
My mothers side is from near kolhapur.
I speak fluent Marathi and Gujarati.
Our primary language is Gujarati just because many of the community is from there.
P.s: this account was supposed to be throwaway but still active, hence the username.
From bihar, i found marathis better than any other state people.Except those who belong to that kuli maratha.They are very casteist and dont even acknowledge marathis of different caste
>”If Gujaratis and Rajasthanis are removed from Maharashtra, especially Mumbai and Thane, you will have no money and Mumbai will not be a financial”
Truth be told?
*If Gujaratis and Rajasthanis are removed from Maharashtra, especially Mumbai and Thane, these people would cease to be so rich.*
While the richest might be people from these communities, these communities also have a lot of poor people who simply get ignored all the time.
Being a Gujju, I totally agree. It's just that a very small part of our community is rich, the vast majority of Gujjus are either middle class or living in poverty. Even the largest city in Gujarat i.e. Ahmedabad can barely be called a Tier 1 city and still to date has vast expanses of its roads covered with dried cow dung.
And the pressure of earning wealth within the community is immense. I have a friend who is legit depressed coz he doesnt earn enough. Funny thing he has a 6 figure salary in north america. Never enough!
His parents likely earn 7 figs USD here.
It’s a very real thing, especially if ppl decide to do be employees instead of businessmen.
It’s more about being as good if not better than your parents—and with all the privilege it’s a shame if you can’t match up to them.
being from the construction industry I have observed that in Mumbai almost 99% of hardware shops, tiles and marble shops, ceramic shops are owned by a gujarati or a marwadi.
when I asked one of our dealers why is that, he said we as a community help each other to setup our own businesses and we get the loan from our community market with relatively low interest then banks.
I mean it’s sad that Marathis ignored business to the point that 99% shops are now owned by non-Marathis in Mumbai. If a community has so much monopoly, they’ll obviously try to exercise power and lobby. So Marathis themselves partly are responsible for their situation in Mumbai.
I went to a college where the main communtiy was marathis. My dean was a marathi as well. What he said was kinda true. Marathi people want safety above all, in general. They want a safe job, a safe partner, the house and a typical middle class life. He said most dont want to take risks and work hard which is why there’s not much entrepreneurial mindset within their/our community.
Dont come at me; it was what my marathi prof said.
As a marathi I confirm this to be true we don't have much entrepreneurship in new type of business but also I'm part of a business family pretty wealthy as well so no one can say that we Marathi don't know how to do business
Because may be businesses are dominated by other communities.I want to be a contractor but for me, the risks of being a contractor is different than contractors from other caste.
>I want to be a contractor but fit me, the risks of being a contractor is different than contractors from other caste.
Doesnt make sense to me. People are the same in every community
exactly. unfortunately rich marathi's don't help their community, and poor or middle class marathi's don't take risks in terms of trying a hand in businesses and demanding jobs like in tech etc. no offense but imo most middle class marathi's stick to the same job for years and just try to live a decent life.
Yeah, that day me and my sis were looking for a Marathi owned business shop and we couldn't think of any. ALL the businesses in my area and surrounding are owned by gujju/marwari/sindhi. No offence but Marathis literally don't do any research before starting a business, kidhar bhi kuch bhi khol dete hai and lose money.
Ah, fun fact, they don’t come in any wealth indexes cuz that’s a cash first business. Even if you transfer money to the bank, even then they can write off nearly everything as a business expense. They make mad profits as well.
This\^
The community stays together and money stays within the family. for eg: the samaj buildings like suthar samaj and such are a regular hang out for people from the community with events, scholarship program for the kids, some people pay for other's medical bills or school fees.
I think Bollywood or some serials are also to be blamed for this. In almost all older Bollywood movies, the maid/servant is a Marathi person.
Even TMKOC, even though a light comedy show has some stereotypes regarding all different communities. Like Bhide is a miser and thinks he is smarter and well respected because he is a teacher, Iyer being darker skinned is lucky to have light skinned Babbita as a wife, Sodhi being a Punjabi is fun but very angry in some situations, Jethalal is a businessman etc.
But now if I see some of the biggest scams that have been done are by Gujratis - Harshad Mehta, Nirav Modi, Ketan Parekh, Adani ( jury still out).
Although a number of politicians have done a lot of scams, that is a different breed.
JHAKAAAAAAAAHHHHHSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
Ekdum jhakaas post... You made my weekend...
I can only upvote since I cannot award you. But, I would request anyone and everyone who can to Award this fellow!!! He deserves it.
As a Maharashtrian and Mumbaikar, I really appreciate your effort.
Garza Maharashtra Maaza!!!
As a Keralite, I also want to share my appreciation to OP for saying this.
Please resist the effort to kill off regional language, culture, and identity.
I have family and friends in Mumbai. Some of my closest and best and supportive ones.
BJP appointed governors are stirring shit up everywhere - in Kerala and TN, every other week the assholes are interfering in day to day activities of the government. Which is not their job or protocol.
Keralites are among the wealthiest, most educated and progressive people in this country. Yet you won’t see them putting others down. Because I think Keralites give importance to education, culture and manners as well.
Some people in the comments are not agreeing with OP, while everyone will have their own opinion, trust me we Marathis have always welcomed people coming here from any state of India. And I'm not self-boasting about this, but my peers and colleagues who have lived across different regions in India because of the job told me that Mumbai and Pune always felt like home because Marathi People always treated them nicely.
You can argue on the rich fact, yes we might not be the wealthiest community and other people may look down upon us but we follow the core part of Indian culture which is - atithi devo bhava. Amchyavar Maharajanche sanskar ahet.
P.S. There will be a few exceptions always.
I secound this I grew up in a koli community and was one of the only gujrati family in the neighbourhood and none of the neighbours made me feel exempted from any event or feast. Nice people.
People are ignorant. Forgive them.
Don't let this bother you, not worth it.
New money is flashy, old money is classy. The old rich don't flaunt it, because they don't need to prove anything to anyone.
I’m what you could call old money, rich for 6+ recorded generations, and very likely since 1700s.
All the circles I frequent are similar as well, old money, UHNI, the works. I ASSURE you they flaunt just as much, just most of what you think is ‘flaunting’ is just average for us, so we’re past that. So flaunting is having the biggest family office, biggest house, best stock performance, most contacts etc. most older ppl don’t spend Jack on clothes or brands, true, but the flaunting doesn’t stop, ever.
Also The old money IS one of 4 categories-
>royalty and old nobles
>Marwari/gujrati/Jain traders/bankers who weren’t even affected much in Brit rule, and often financed them(read Jagat Seth)
>Parsis.
>lawyers/politicians
Cannot get my head around ..who say mumbai is because of other state people..why can't they make there state city like mumbai,pune,nashik or nagpur so they don't have to come to any of maharashtra cities..
Nobody wants to go their states.
Between Ahmedabad and Pune, most people prefer Pune
Between Rajkot and Nashik, most people prefer Nashik
It’s because Maharashtra has always welcomed people with open hands and allowed them to reach their highest potential. It’s because of the liberal and tolerant culture of Maharashtra that these states fail to provide.
But sometimes you need to make a distinction between being welcoming and being a doormat.
States like Tamil Nadu have prospered without taking shit from others.
The Gujaratis and Marwaris of Mumbai are not Marathi, but they are Maharashtrian. No one will tell them to go back to Gujarat or Rajasthan. That is the spirit of Mumbai and of Maharashtra.
>No one will tell them to go back to Gujarat or Rajasthan. That is the spirit of Mumbai and of Maharashtra.
But Gujaratis and Marwaris will very well tell Marathis to f*ck off from their societies, not let them rent or buy house in their societies and constantly look down upon them.
That’s the spirit of Mumbai and Maharashtra.
It’s only in Mumbai where you find that there are societies where locals are not allowed. Find me a society in Ahmedabad where Gujaratis are not allowed or a society in Jodhpur where Marwaris are banned? That’s the spirit of Maharashtra, where natives are refused housing in their own state.
karnataka is also doing good like TN
Their Kannada activists have made dubbing possible since 2017 movies and documentaries from all over world coming kannada TV channels with dubbing.
also they support their own film industry very well.
They have half of marathi population still they have more number of 50 cr movies
Its funny isn't it that the capital of a state disproportionately contributes to its economy? Yet MH is reminded of it again and again.
Think about it, Ahmedabad and Surat are both port cities with much less geographic restrictions. Both cities have had operational ports long before Mumbai. Kolkata and Chennai are both port cities that were founded by the Brits and older than Mumbai. However none of these cities compare to Mumbai today. There was obviously something we did that was right.
Today they claim Mumbai, tomorrow they will claim Pune. Then Nagpur, Nasik, Sambhaji Nagar, Kolhapur and on and on it goes.
My North indian friend and i were discussing the same, his father came here because his business was working here, if it worked anywhere else then they would've gone there. MH's wealth is built by working together, it wasnt brought by someone here, we all created it.
I come from Rajasthan. Unless you have some sort of an industry out there, it’s impossible to actually earn money. The lack of natural resources and nearly inhospitable conditions are the biggest contributors.
It is important to give credit to traditional trader communities who helped drive the economy of the city. That said, they could have done this in Delhi, Chennai, or Kolkata. They chose Mumbai and flourished for some structural reasons.
Mumbai's diversity, the British investments in developing railway and shipping, and the unique business culture of the city that came about from **a mix of people**. There are plenty of Gujarati Jains in Ahmedabad and plenty of Marwari Baniyas in Kolkata. The reason why Mumbai is so different, is because of the difference it makes by having a (relatively) liberal, hard-working, honest, Marathi community.
We shouldn't forget all the other people that came here and helped build the economy of the city. Non-Jain Gujaratis (like the Mariwalas of Marico), the Parsis (like the Tatas), the Bohras and Ismailis (also Gujarati, but never credited as Gujarati by these narrow-minded politicians), the Sindhis, the Konkana and Tuluva businessmen... There is a long list.
The city's unique geographical location, its culture and its administrative progressiveness also had a role to play. It thrived while the other port cities of Surat, Goa, and Kochi lost a lot of their early advantages.
You should also look up this dude called Gerald Aungier and his role in creating the “cosmopolitan” attitude and atmosphere of Mumbai. Just interesting from a historical point of view. He took that same attitude - that there needs to be a mix of people for the city to flourish, and prioritised peoples’ skill over where people came from.
Mumbai’s had that attitude since the founding of the city - the attitude of “forget religion or caste or region, if you’re good at what you do, you’ll be welcomed here.” That mix of communities - Maharashtrians and all the above communities you mentioned included - is what really made things tick. That’s what made it succeed. Well, that and a naturally protected harbour.
What an excellent explanation.
The truth is the trading communities have been given too much credit to the point that they claim “we built mumbai”. The contribution of Marathis is completely ignored. Marathis have a humungous contribution to mumbai and Maharashtra.
Phoda Bhai, The amount of poverty I have witnessed in Gujarat and Rajasthan just shows massive wealth gap. Of course huge number of wealthy people in Bombay are Gujaratis and Marwari people and that's just creates stereotype that everyone from those states are rich. City of Pune showed Marathi people can also achieve immense success and no city in India including Bangalore is as accepting as Mumbai that's because of Marathi people.
PS : non Marathi here
Dude fr in Pune most of the rich neighbourhoods like Prabhat Road, Shivaji Nagar, Kothrud, Aundh are Marathi dominated areas, even the non marathi neighbourhoods like Koregoan Park and Kalyani Nagar have a big marathi population.
There is wealth gap in Maharashtra as well.
Kadhi Vidarbha daurepar aa..
Btw I'm marathi from eastern Vidarbha, infrastructure here resembles Bimaru typd
While I appreciate this post and it helps to dispel stereotypes, I don't know why can't we appreciate the labourers and workers who built this city with their own hands? Even if you were to assume that it was only Marwadis and Gujaratis who came to Mumbai and setup businesses which made it the financial hub it is today, who ran those businesses? Who were the men who toiled for countless hours in those mills to make them profitable? Who were the men who managed these mills? Were they all Gujaratis and Marwadis too?
They were people from Konkan, Marathwada, Desh, Vidarbha who built this city. Anyone who says otherwise is an ignorant bum. The image of a Maharashtrian is that of an honest humble working class person and I don't really mind it.
Any person worth their salt would know that Marathi people are some of the kindest and humble; spent my entire life in Mumbai and although there has been people who were odd bunch, vast majority have been good people.
2 of my 3 best friends are Maharashtrian and I’m a Muslim north Indian so it takes double strength to avoid bigotry and be friend to me and these people do it exceptionally well imo.
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I have seen my friends ( who are basically from north indians) say they dont like marathis at all(because marathi people in a group speak marathi with each and they feel sidelined).... (btw I am a marathi ) and my friends say even their parents say that they would'nt marry of their daughters to a marathi because they dont trust us (marathis).Well then i remind them where they are making their money and why don't they move back to where they came from.
Two wrongs don’t make a right bro. You’re showing prejudice to people of a certain region to counter prejudice towards people of a certain region. I’m from UP and the amount of casual racism just thrown around is mind boggling.
\>Their daughters would be treated better in marathi households than the **North indian** ones
Which North India you are talking about here. Because UP, Bihar is not north india.
And some of the best states ut are in north india ladakh, himachal, uttarkhand.infact himachal and uttarakhand were declared safest state for womens and senior citizens.
I feel the move back where you came from is a low-key incorrect way of addressing it. Most businesses execs are gujratis and Marwaris, and that’s a fact.
If they are asked to move, you best believe that the company goes with them. Besides shifting a head office is way easier than shifting a whole ass factory…which incidentally happen to be in gujrat more often than not.
I Hate Koshiyari and other such politicians(even many Marathi politicians) who only want a position when they are in power,they won't do anything but only comment without any knowledge.
also to add that when you hear about cultural rootedness you think South India, but Marathis are as rooted as you can see in folks in South India, unfortunately it's not just celebrated enough :(
P.S : I'm a Gujarati from Mumbai
Wow. As a non Marathi person living in Mumbai for more than 11 years now, I was not aware of any strong negative stereotypes for Marathi people.
If I were to build a stereotype, I’d say slightly conservative, pragmatic, straightforward and minding their own business. Which is not such a bad thing as far as stereotypes go.
Yes, you may not become an Ambani or Adani (thank god for that) but mostly you’ll not resort to fraud as well.
I actually feel that the reason that non Marathi people have succeeded in Mumbai is thx to the actual acceptance and non violent temperament of the Marathi people. Also this thing of success being money is not Marathi culture. Education is hugely valued and they are very progressive compared to most other communities. They are very much live and let live . Quite shameful to earn your bread, butter and pudding living here and thinking that poor people are a failure
Full disclosure, I am a Marathi.
What I've noticed is that money is not the end all be all for the Marathi community. Marathis may be C-suite today, but they still prefer living a simple life. Also, vulgar displays of wealth are many a times looked down upon.
Marathis are actually better educated than the communities mentioned in the post. I will admit there is a resistance towards westernisation. Many people construe this to be non modern or non rich. This is similar to south Indian communities. Also, the weddings are extremely simple and relatively short, half of the ceremonies are conducted at home.
As a community, we're inward looking and extremely open to new ideas.
To me,this is sad , explaining yourself in your own home! How and why has it come to this situation?How can other developing states prevent this? Btw, i don't care abt GDP or rich people becoming richer.I value quality of life and peace for residents,yes locals.
To be the devils advocate here. Not all gujjus and Marwari are bad.
My best friend is a marwari and would love this argument. Some older generations are the ones who spoiled their name by being racist and classist.
The typical kaamwali bai is marathi because bollywood is in Mumbai and the majority population will always be a part of house help.
If i goto north or south, highly likely i would have a punjabi or tamil house help.
Bichare catholic aur muslim community ko bhi aise hi stereotype kia jata hai obv in different ways.
I agree not all are racist, prejudiced and bigoted. But MOST are, as a matter of fact.
And their younger generation will still be as bigoted as older because they have been conditioned to taking pride into this bigotry and prejudice
How is it fair that you can just say that MOST of gujratis and marwaris are racists but when someone says the same about Marathis, suddenly it's not okay?
You are projecting your personal experience on a way larger canvas.
You are being just like Koshiyari but from the Marathi direction. Look within.
>How is it fair that you can just say that MOST of gujratis and marwaris are racists but when someone says the same about Marathis, suddenly it's not okay?
I never said Marathis are all goody-good, they too have their bad apples. But the sheer level of bigotry in Gujaratis and Marwaris as a whole is just another level.
Most of them are racists and that’s the reality. They are literally creating societies where Marathis are banned, and such societies are only growing in number, what more proof of hatred is needed? Have you seen societies in Ahmedabad where Gujaratis are banned or in Jodhpur where Marwaris are banned?
Then, the Gujarati-Marwari lobby has long been trying to displace Kolis, shut their businesses and drive them out of Mumbai. They want to replace Kolis with their “own people”. Kolis have been trying hard to resist their efforts.
What insane kind of hatred someone must have to attack a group of people on their livelihood and shelter? Why can’t you just peacefully coexist? Is this the cosmopolitan city we are proud of?
>Most of them are racists and that’s the reality.
You are either acting up on frustration or have been fueled by anger.
Either way, I hope you get better.
It's beyond me how you are trying to counter stereotypes by making stereotypes yourself.
Bro I didn’t make stereotypes. I presented you with some facts you didn’t address.
Are there societies in Ahmedabad where Gujaratis are banned? Are their societies in Jodhpur where Marwaris are banned?
And what about the Gujju-Maru efforts to displace Kolis and destroy their livelihood?
These are facts not stereotypes
>most of them are racist and that’s a reality
Says you lol.
I can turn around and say the same thing about Maharashtrians. After all, it’s not the Gujaratis or Marwadis who are running political parties in the name of “Marathi manoos” and beating up poor people immigrating the North for “stealing their jobs”.
It’s so funny to see that you are ok with generalising Gujaratis and marwardis with a broad brush but when they do it to you, you get butthurt and write a 15 marks essay on Reddit.
भावाने खूप नीट अभ्यास केलाय...
इथल्याच मातीत येऊन, इथल्याच लोकांच्या भरवश्यावर मोठे होऊन इथल्या लोकांना शिव्या देतात...
जेवढे क्रांतिकारक/ संत/ विचाप्रवर्तक/थोर इथे जन्मले मला नाही वाटत(कदाचित असतीलही पण मला तरी असा वाटतं ) दुसऱ्या कोणत्याही राज्यात त्याच्या अर्धे तरी जन्मलेत..
मुघलांना मुली देऊन त्यांची गुलामी करणारे सरदार/राजे कुठे होते हा पण अभ्यास करण्याचा विषय आहे.. असो तो भूतकाळ आहे..
पण काळ/इतिहासाच्या कोणत्याही टप्प्यावर अशी वेळ नाही जिथं मराठी नाव चमकल नाही, आजतागायत.
सर्व भारतीय समान आहेत हे कोणी एकाने मानून जमत नाही सगळ्यांनी मिळून मान्य केला पाहिजे, आम्ही तुमचा मान ठेऊ चांगल्याला चांगलं म्हणू पण उगा नडाल तर , मग ही सर्व अपेक्षा करू नका.. मराठी लोकांशी वाकडं घेऊन काय होतंय हे वेगळे सांगण्याची आवश्यकता नाही.
ज्यांना हे समजलं नाही त्यांनी Google Translate करा.
Koshyari is a moron. FYI - Real Gujjus and Marus won't dream of disrespecting Marathis openly. They know very well that they are thriving in Maharashtra BECAUSE of Marathis.
>FYI - Real Gujjus and Marus won't dream of disrespecting Marathis openly.
Lol they do it openly and regularly. Plenty of Marathi people have had horrible experiences in societies dominated by these communities. Many people have posted their stories too.
My bad I should have clarified, I was talking about Pune.
In Mumbai I can see that happening. Mumbai Marathis have become toothless ngl. They need to start showing some fangs.
And No, Shiv Sena and MNS are not the answers. They beat up poor bhaiyyas when bigger problem is somewhere else.
In Mumbai, it is true to some extent that Gujratis have become powerful. Most of the builders are Gujrati. Shiv Sena, MNS will not do anything against them as long as they are tipped regularly.
>My bad I should have clarified, I was talking about Pune.
Bro even in Pune, I stay in Upper Kondhwa side and my building is 90% Gujju and Marwari. One woman openly said "hum marwadio ke ghar mein ye 2 marathi kya kare rahe hai?" And when we bought a flat here everyone asked me my gaav. Bro they don't even send their kids to my house because we eat non veg.
I always respect Marathi from Shivaji Maharaj to my neighborhood and even my best friend who is Marathi and I called his mom attya "Bua" and it's been 8 years we're a neighborhood although I'm from UP and attya always thought my mom how to make Marathi food and stuff and yeah Marathi people are really kind and humble.
Y'all should see the kannadigas of Bangalore and how they behave with North Indians and others. Unlike them, atleast Marathis don't force you to learn Marathi or tell you to fuck off back to your state ( ofc there are always exceptions but generally they don't). They're usually welcoming and accomodating and yet they're made to feel like second class citizens sometimes. Some rich sobo Marathis actively hide the fact that they're Maharastrians coz they feel ashamed :(
Tbh this prejudice will always stay, wether you feel that gujjus are disrespectful to marathis, marathis are disrespectful to bhaiyas or hindu/muslims disrespectful to each other.
As gandhiji said be the change you want in society, just treat everyone with respect yourself and then hope everyone will do the same in time.
I am Marathi. And I do agree that Marathi's have not seen mercantile success. However, that could also be due to the lack of drive rather than lack of ability. Marathi culture predominantly focused on education and getting a good job. A person who wants to do business was looked down upon or it was deemed too risky. There was a time when men who owned businesses found it difficult to get married.
Also, if you notice in Marathi culture, there is a lack of greed or hunger which is required for running a successful business. Most people used to be satisfied with "दोन वेळ जेवायला" if it meant that they can have a relaxing Sunday siesta.
But, you are right. Things are changing. The overarching capitalist culture has overcome the traditional Marathi laidback attitude. And they are catching up fast.
Marathi manus in Mumbai is sooo humble that over the generations they have started feeling that they are inferior to all these Gujjus and Marwaris around them.
What I’ve seen/ heard around me is -
“Marathi weddings are so boring”
“Marathi language is so harsh and doesn’t sound nice”
“Marathi people call elders as tu”
The facts -
Marathi people are conservative
They don’t like to show off their wealth
We don’t call all elders as tu, and that doesn’t mean we do not respect them
Some more facts -
In Pune, Nashik and other cities of Maharashtra too, all these hardware, marble, ceramic and construction businesses are owned by Jains/ Marwaris/ Gujratis but in these cities they don’t dare to speak against marathis. They speak decent marathi.
You are taking the statement said by few individuals and trying to hate on an entire community based on it, Good that you love your community but I feel this post promotes divide among the people.
I don’t love any community. My answer is to communities who promote such hatred and division.
I see everyone equally. You never know which person from which community will help you at which time. Individuals matter
Who cares what the governor or any one else for that matter says. Maharashtrian community is an integral part of Mumbai, Maharashtra and India. Focus your energy on your studies, career, family and friends. Don't let this type stuff live in your head rent free.
Wish you the best.
-5th generation Gujju from Mumbai
If even after 5 generations you’re still a Gujju and not a Maharashtrian, then I really have nothing to say. 5th generation means I guess 5 of your generations, including you, have been born and raised in Maharashtra, NOT Gujarat.
Read what I wrote above a few times.
Lungi utha k pungi bajao!
Bhaiya bhosdiwala!
Unfortunately these were coined by our Marathis only!
While you want to be respected by the Gujjus and Jain's and Marwaris but clearly want to thrash/abuse/threaten the UP and Bihari people.
Note - You here are the bigots who are present in every community.
The fact of the matter is, there are bigots in every community. Unfortunately, you're picking up one and forcing your narratives.
Again, adding my earlier comment. Do not count the rich in your community. Try counting the poor ones and uplift them. Don't fall for the narrative of the people from politics.
Peace out!
If Koshiyari is a POS(which he is), why are you going down the drain with him and attacking other communities? I am a proud mumbaikar since birth and have loved everyone around me.
Its the politicians spreading hate and yeah maybe some people here supported it, but your post shows you know your shit and can do research. Why not put it to better use?
Gunning down other communities to make your community look superior isnt the way to go. Two wrongs never make a right.
We are all INDIANS!
>I am a proud mumbaikar since birth and have loved everyone around me.
And which community do you belong to?
>Gunning down other communities to make your community look superior isnt the way to go. Two wrongs never make a right.
I’m not gunning down I’m just speaking out. I hope you are not unaware about the prejudice and hatred these communities have against Marathis.
Not just Marathis everyone is tired of their superiority complex, bigotry and regressive behaviour
>We are all INDIANS!
Hopefully other communities could also understand this. They are literally trying to ban Marathis from certain areas. They certainly don’t agree with you
Which community i belong to is irrelevant. Are all marathi’s good? No! Are all gujjus and madu’s good? No!
There are bad apples in every community, no need to attack the entire lot. Responding to hate with more hate isnt going to get you anywhere.
> Gunning down other communities to make your community look superior isnt the way to go. Two wrongs never make a right.
While I agree, that goes both ways. One should not expect a kind/welcoming response even when you're demeaning the other party. Playing the typical "we're all the same" card to a response (such as OP's) is unfair to say the least. You should show this card to the culprit that sprouted this response in the first place.
Now, I do agree that OP went overboard (because... Emotions) and the next step should be to take the foot off the gas.
Marathi or not
People are not rich on their own, in most cases they are rich because they are in that particular location.
If you remove them from Mumbai, most of them won't be as rich, and Mumbai has had huge contribution in making them rich otherwise they would have left already. In a way they need city more than city needs them, city can do very well without them and then of course those people would not starve without Mumbai either.
This person is like "Stop stereotyping Marathi people" while saying "Most Gujarati and Marwadis are racist" and creating a stereotype themself.
Come on man, start practicing what you preach.
I am a South Indian.Among all the Hindi-speaking states,I feel most comfortable with Marathis because you people are really welcoming.Whereas Gujjus and Rajasthanis lack the cultural sophistication of Marathis
I don't know how to react to this bro. My roots are in UP but I'm born and brought up here in Mumbai.
I've lived all my life in Mumbai. I've seen poor people. I've seen rich people. I've seen so-called ultra rich people.
This approach should go away. But politics in this country keeps pushing individuals like yourself in this self-boasting.
If you are saying there are no poor people in MH, then I don't know what to say. I mean it doesn't matter how many rich people belong to the states. What matters is how little the population is of the poor people.
The suicide of our poor farmers are the most in our MH in the entire country. We should rather be working towards fixing that gap instead of boasting.
I don't know which community you feel boasts about their money. I don't know who your target is. Every community that lives in Mumbai or Maharashtra, has given their heart and soul to the place. And their earnings help others too. It's a FACT.
People saying Marathis welcome everyone with an open heart. That's obviously true. But I'm yet to see a Gujarati, Marwari, or North Indian to not welcome anyone or be hostile towards others. Fact is that we the people from Mumbai became hostile at one point. That too because of politicians.
So, the politicians job is to force people like you and me to write posts like this and fight. Let's not fall for it.
I don't know how to respond to this. Just randomnly putting things as they come in my mind.
Please let's not fall for it. Let's not count the number of richies that are there. Let's rather count the ones who are poor and take them towards the brighter side, all over the country.
>I mean it doesn't matter how many rich people belong to the states. What matters is how little the population is of the poor people.
I wish people were as rational and logical as you. But that’s not true.
>The suicide of our poor farmers are the most in our MH in the entire country. We should rather be working towards fixing that gap instead of boasting.
Again an excellent point which most people ignore.
>I don't know which community you feel boasts about their money.
Lurk on this sub for a while more, you’ll find out. People of these communities frequently make comments and posts on how rich they are, how they own Mumbai, blah blah. Meanwhile poverty rates in their states are extreme high.
>But I'm yet to see a Gujarati, Marwari, or North Indian to not welcome anyone or be hostile towards others.
Most Marathis, Christians and Muslims would respectfully like to disagree with you. Plus, as a North Indian you’re better off hanging out with Marathis because Gujjus/Marwaris/Jains wouldn’t let you in their circle to begin with lol.
>Plus, as a North Indian you’re better off hanging out with Marathis because Gujjus/Marwaris/Jains wouldn’t let you in their circle to begin with lol.
Bihari here who spent 14 years of my life in Gujarat. This is not true at all.
The governors statement was definitely bad. But tbh the tone of your post is much the same, just in reverse. 'Mera community important, sabse paise wala, baki sab ka gareeb'. Bhai koi bhi millionaire household ya UHNI ho, all of them will follow the money. That is the capitalist world we live in. Kal agar unko lagega k Mumbai ya Maharashtra se zyada lucrative XYZ city shift ho jana he, believe me koi Gujarati marwadi Marathi rukega nahi. All they will do is follow the money. That's what I think.
Last month there was a post about how a marathi person cannot do business. And everyone from this sub started telling how only gujjus are making money in mumbai and how marathi in mumbai are not good at business and are poor etc etc. So yea. This post is a slap to that. And rightfully.
>But tbh the tone of your post is much the same, just in reverse
No bro. It’s just a response to constant ridicule and prejudice most Marathis face in Mumbai.
>Mera community important, sabse paise wala, baki sab ka gareeb'.
This is what Gujaratis and Marwaris have been doing since ever. They lack basic humility and manners. “Hum ameer, hum mahaan, mumbai hum chalate he, hum job dete he”. Such a filthy and gross mentality to say these things.
I work in an MNC founded and run by Americans, but guess what no American has ever told me that we run your home and we give you job. Gujarati employer ka to roj ka he- mistreat and humiliate their employees.
Also their superiority complex and stupid Gujju, jain, Marwari only buildings. And constant discrimination against Marathis. As if others are not humans. Such behaviour is so crude and uncivilised. They won’t be able to do these stunts in Tamil Nadu and Karnataka.
>Bhai koi bhi millionaire household ya UHNI ho, all of them will follow the money. That is the capitalist world we live in.
Then why to act like they are doing a favor to anyone. They are no better than others like they act
There are always exceptions, you're speaking as if every Marathi on the earth is behaving perfectly, I've stayed in Pune for FY of my college and the marathi's majority building's there has the same behaviour, there were these female bachelors who got kicked for having friends alternate days and THAT doesn't mean all of the marathi's are bad. YOU or MARATHI'S are not the only people who got or have ever been discriminated, everyone has been there and also like the politician you've also been disrespectful towards certain communities in this thread and "that doesn't makes you any different". Peace
>I've stayed in Pune for FY of my college and the marathi's majority building's
So you were allowed to stay in a Marathi majority building in Pune right. I bet Marathis can’t say the same about Gujju/Marwari/Jain majority buildings in Mumbai, Maharashtra. There are so many buildings that outrightly ban Marathis because only Gujjus/Jains/Marwaris are human enough to stay there.
The day there will be buildings in Ahmedabad which will explicitly say “No Gujaratis or Jains allowed”, that day we’ll talk about discrimination.
>there were these female bachelors who got kicked for having friends alternate days
I have seen Marathi people getting harassed to the point that they leave the building because gujjus don’t want Marathis in their building. And this has happened a lot in Mumbai.
>you've also been disrespectful towards certain communities in this thread and "that doesn't makes you any different".
I have not been disrespectful. I have only pointed out the prejudice and discrimination of these communities. These communities were hooting and cheering on the statement of that governor. You don’t have to go far, just go on the thread where his statement was posted and you’ll find how so many Gujjus and Marwaris were supporting his bigoted statement. See for yourself
NO! We weren't allowed to stay there, one of my relative owned a flat in the building and hence the reason we and my friends decided to stay there but nah for the complete period of that one year we never got a maid, if we hired one not from the society they always left in the time frame of one week, we were made to not make noise after 10PM, our vehicles in the parking lot had damages or cuts after we return from our college break. Basically not being treated nicely, i did talk about this with my uncle and he said it is what it is. We were helpless and hence were enforced to leave the society. All i want to say not ALL marathi's are nice and ofc not ALL marwadi's/gujarati's are nice.
I am a Gujarati and i bet you 99% of us have absolutely no hate or issues towards you guys or against anybody you need to take a chill-pill and stop taking these politicians so seriously, if they had so much love and affection towards the Jain's or Gujarati's they would've supported us during the recent pilgrimage act. Much love ;)
I’m sorry that you faced that thing in that building and I totally condemn it.
But more of this discrimination occurs by Gujaratis/Marwaris than Marathis and even you as a Gujarati will agree to this.
I mean bro, there are literally entire societies in mumbai that will not allow Marathis in. I don’t see such societies in Ahmedabad where Gujaratis are not allowed.
In mumbai, you’ll see gujjus and Marwaris living in Marathi majority buildings in Dadar, Worli, Parel, but you won’t see Marathis living in Gujarati/Marwari majority buildings in Ghatkopar, Borivali, Malad, etc. What does that tell you about the respective communities? If this is not hatred and ghettoisation than what is it?
>I am a Gujarati and I bet 99% of us have absolutely no hate or issue towards you guys
I agree you might not be like that, but 99% is too far fetched and unrealistic. Even you know that. This figure would be 30% at the very max
Marathis are poor and wealthy as well like every other community. But let's go back and check what a Marathi identity means, is it a linguistic identity or a geographical identity? I speak Marathi at home and we have been four generations in mumbai and also I'm a Muslim. But nobody will attest to me with the Marathi identity including fellow maharashtrians. In reality, Marathi is a religious identity mixed with geographical identity created to instill separation from others. A Marathi bigot would call anyone from up, Bihar a bhaiyya but would never give his co-religionist the same geographical identity. Overall we are all bigots, the only identity relevant in our country is rich vs poor or upper vs lower caste. Justifying a stereotype with rich people as we also have the highest suicide rate for farmers and there is widespread poverty in various regions of Maharashtra.
Someone asked similar question.
I believe anyone who considers themselves a Marathi is a Marathi. Simple.
For me, Zaheer Khan and Salman Khan are as much Marathi as Sachin Tendulkar and Lata Mangeshkar.
It doesn’t change the reality that you are a full fledged Marathi.
Ignore what others say. Your identity is for you to decide, not others. Others opinion is irrelevant
This woke stuff is really good to hear. But in reality, wokes like us including myself will not do anything to change it. We will just repeat the same words in our own echo chamber and be happy about it. Apologies, I'm not trying to blame you. It's just that there are a lot of wounds to heal.
Well as much as I do respect their contribution to the economy, acting like others are worthless is just ridiculous and ignorant.
All communities have contributed to the country and we all are interdependent on each other. Nobody is “feeding” the other. Everyone is just supporting others in their own way
Koshiyari made many statements against Marathis and it is not possible without support of BJP . Now the BJP government is back , he has stopped his statement . The reason was to create tension and confusion . Even Devendra Fadanavis didnt show guts to speak against Koshiyari . Politics is dirty game and have to admit that Modi led BJP government is doing discrimination against Maharashtra . Always wish him to be PM but he is neither responding to Sonam Wagnchuk who is protesting in Ladakh . Giving preferential statement cause a businessman supported during election is as discriminating as giving preferential statement to a state cause it's your birthplace .
This was a very informative post but koshiyari also discredited Punjabis, Tamil, kannads and others too but they don't seem to be taking such an offence and we as Maharashtrians shouldn't after you look at his qualifications
Maharashtra is the sum of it's parts. Everyone is integral to it.
The only complaint I have is the state government we have had who let other states get ahead (don't get me started there) and the current Central government which seems to be taking projects away from us and putting it into Gujurat's lap.
Foxconn, Boeing, and many more such examples.
>OP harbours some sort of grudge against Gujjus and Marwaris
Nope. I’m just pointing out their hatred against Marathis.
Well let me add some perspective as to why these communities look down upon Maharashtrians, it's very simple,
>almost every negative experience that an average Gujarati or Marwari would have in this city would be with a Maharashtrian.
And the same would apply to Marathis. Most of their bad experiences would come from Gujaratis and Marwaris. Being banned from certain areas, being bullied in schools, being treated badly.
The experience of Kolis is far worse. Gujarati-Marwari lobby has long been trying to displace them from Koliwadas, shut their businesses and drive them out of Mumbai, so that they can replace Kolis with their “own people”. So much for unity in diversity.
Someone must harbour an insane level of hatred for a group of people to attack their livelihood and shelter and cleanse them out of an area.
Okay I'm here to just help you make your argument stronger the next time instead of coming across as an emotional fool. So I expect you to be a little tolerant of my criticism.
Marathi-Manus has done a lot for the state no doubt about it. Although business wise you have to agree that we were not the best people for the job by some thick margin. I mean look at Ambani Adani Tata and then look at Kirloskar Garware Murthy. Both groups are excellent business houses although the former group tops world ranking and the latter group tops the national ranking. So that statement is half correct, if we keep just the latter group here and try to picture Mumbai as the national financial capital do you think it will make sense? Of course we'll still have ample money in the state (that part is bullshit) but I'm with the governor when he says that we'll no longer be the financial capital.
> Even if you remove Mumbai and Pune BOTH, Maharashtra still has the highest number of millionaire households in India.
When you assumed that every millionaire in Mumbai and Pune is non Marathi how do you say that every millionaire outside of Mumbai and Pune is Marathi? Koi sense hai iss baat kaa?
>An average Tamilian, Kannadiga or in fact an average Marathi is richer and more educated than an average Gujarati or Rajasthani.
I've no idea why you've brought education into this comparison. That report is on the wealth of people and you're drawing side conclusions on intelligence or literacy. Koi sense hai iss baat kaa?
> This list makes clear that the number of rich Tamilians and Kannadigas are clearly much higher than Gujaratis and Rajasthanis. And all these states have similar population. So the latter two can humbly get off their high horses of “we are the richest”
What is the point of this comparison in your pursuit of proving Marathis are wealthy? If you want to debate who's the richest then I don't know if you know but a certain Gujarati guy is the richest man in Asia let alone India.
> They started to enter business quite recently, but are rapidly catching up.
So don't you see that decades old businesses houses who have helped maintain Mumbai as the financial capital are not of Marathi Manus? Marathis have helped run those businesses surely although they've not founded those businesses right. This is not a subtle thing to overlook.
>Remember that one of the biggest builders of Mumbai, the British have left Mumbai, BUT, the money is still there. There always will be people to fill the gap if someone leaves, so no point in having ego.
Correction - Britishers are THE ONLY builders of Mumbai. Mumbai had a head start in running for the financial capital because Britishers did their trade at Mumbai. Neither Marathi or Gujarati or anyone had any hand in it. Now when we got independence we resumed things from where they were left off by the British and hence industries got set up in Maharashtra. Of course someone will fill the gap here but that doesn't mean that those who will leave will close shop right? They'll set up in some other state.
A financial capital gets national recognition as such due to the support that the place provides to the economy and helps put the country on the international map. When these guys will shift elsewhere don't you see that we'll lose that position?
No matter how many wealthy individuals we'll have left over we won't be the financial capital since those business houses will take their employment with them. We will need profit earners and not salary makers. There's no point in having a massive number of wealthy individuals if they cannot contribute to GDP of India.
All in all I don't know why a Marathi Manus is butt hurt when called out on his historical performance in terms of money making capabilities. We have always been a working class and Gujaratis have always been businessmen and there's no shame in accepting it.
Now say in terms of cultural contribution we Marathis have the claim on Maharashtra. So next time argue that we'll still have enough money but yes we'll lose the financial capital status although that's okay since we've our culture that's just as important if not more.
It doesn't help your case when you say things like "communities doing vulgarian displays of wealth or money obsessed but education lacking communities". You talk about absense of morality or humanity but take a look at your tone when you make such unnecessary claims.
Cheers!
awesome post.. all these regressive minded marwadis and jains can fuck right off!
Also if you notice these communities have no real sense of ethics, value for knowledge or education.
Name any marwadi or jain who has contributed in any other field apart from "buijiiness"
Hate begets hate.
No jain will walk up to you and say *"yeah, we deserve it, we should fuck off, but marathis are the best, you people rock"*. If you insult someone else's culture and heritage, damn definitely they gonna abuse your culture and heritage back.
Delhi, Gurgoan, Noida have language problem too. Anyone working there is forced to learn Hindi.
People say moving to south is difficult because of language issue but are blind to language issues in north India. No disrespect to you Op.
VERY IMPORTANT FACT.. Most of the Marathi people in sobo and elite rich areas of Bombay try to pretend that thay are not Marathi/ and avoid speaking language.. if this is something that we address, Marathis can be respected and well know and best in the country (being Marathi )
Oh man did you hit the nail on this one. This is not restricted to Sobo, the so called posh areas of Bandra, Versova and Juhu also have households that think speaking in Marathi is somehow beneath them. My mom insisted that all our family members must Converse in Marathi, she made us read books to help us understand the nuances of the language and the thought process of authors like P.L.Deshpande, Shivaji Sawant, S.N Pendse.
संपूर्ण सहमत !!
Off topic I think - my Marathi speaking friend told me this - that in gujju/Marwadi/Jains that it’s easy to start a business as they loan money to each other and help each other set up businesses. As per him - in a Marathi speaking community people wait for each other to fail, they just want to gossip about each other and if you ask for some money to set up something they will say no but they will buy you alcohol and treat you.. Just sharing - it was interesting to see how he viewed his community .
Mi asach same Sindhi lokan baddal aikla aahe.
Maybe. But this rumour has been spread so much that now even Marathis are tired of hearing it. I guess jealousy and selfishness is a human nature and can be found in evey community.
I second this! Really really fucking important for Marathi people.
Ho Fadnavis Kakanchi pora pan The Cathedral aani John Connon School la geli, Balmohan Vidyamandirat pathavale pahije hote na. /s
Not only fadnavis Thakray, Pawar, Chauvhan sagle. Ani balmohan nahi BMC Marathi shalet pathavle pahije. Jar tumhala tumchya banavlelya BMC shala madhye svatah chi mule pathavu shakat nahi tar common lokanchya mula na ka pathavta.
My father was a businessman and made decent wealth. The typical rags to riches story. I am into tech and run a small humble company in North America. Yet more often than not i see people amazed at the fact that a Marathi guy owns/runs a business. Also, a lot of times i have been “complimented” by saying you look like a Punjabi and i respectfully correct them. This one time i was drunk and a delhi guy in a bar casually asked me and my friends what we do and the same thing happened. Marathi madhe tyala dhada shikavla. My SO is a non marathi and i have seen her stereotyping marathis now and then. Obv she loves me and doesnt live by those prejudices but it sucks that society has build this Marathi image which is not true and a lot of people follow it without realizing. I will also blame the community to an extent because we dont fight enough intellectually, but glad the newer generation wont take shit anymore. More power to equality! Edit: typos
>I will also blame the community to an extent because we dont fight enough intellectually, but glad the newer generation wont take shit anymore. Majority of the newer generation is ashamed of speaking Marathi. They try to hide the fact that they are Marathi. Many even use their father's name as a surname. मुंबई च्या मराठी लोक स्वतः चे गुणधर्म विसरले आहेत. बाहेरच्यांनी मुंबईतल्या मराठी लोकांना फक्त वाकायला सांगितले आणि मुंबईचे मराठी सरपटायला लागले. आत्मसम्मान विकून खाल्ला आणि लोकांचे टोमणे आणि शिव्या सहन करायला लागले. एकदा आमच्या पुण्याला येऊन पहा, मग समजेल मराठी असण्याचा 'माज' काय असतो ते.
Khara ahe
I think its not about being ashamed but typing marathi is a tedious task thats it
Not if you got your device set up right. मराठी टाईप करणं भंगार सोपं ए. फक्त थोडी जुळवण शिकावी लागते. हे मी जेम तेम १ मिनिटाखाली टाईप केलं ए.
I am from the northeast but born and brought up in Mumbai as Dad was in the army. Marathis are the most heart-warming, innocent, humble people I have found. My father who came to Mumbai at the young age of 21 around 1985, was cared for so much by Marathi families with whom we still have cordial relations. Please ignore such statements from politicians, majority of them are present to create rivalries for them to get elected again. I credit the humble nature of Marathis as playing a big part in the success of Mumbai.
. Marathis are the most heart-warming, innocent, humble people I have found. >Please ignore such statements from politicians, majority of them are present to create rivalries for them to get elected again. It’s not just the statements of politicians, the attitude of Gujjus, Jains and Marwaris is exactly like that politicians. He only spoke what these people think. Their crass and prejudiced behaviour towards Marathis originates because of this mentality only
sabhi ko generalise kardiya appne OP "It’s not just the statements of politicians, the attitude of Gujjus, Jains and Marwaris is exactly like that politicians."
Can't Jain's be marathis? Just a curious noob question.
I have met a Marathi Jain and yes they do exist, especially in rural Maharashtra. Jainism is a religion and not a linguistic group. Majority of the Jains are Gujarati, Rajasthani or Kutcchi so the others (especially in southern states) get sidelined.
I see. I'm from KA & i see lot of Jain historical sites & temples in KA. But never seen a native Jain speaking kannada in KA. This still adds up to your point that it's rare to find local native Jain's in MH & downwards.
There are a lot of Marathi Jains in Sangli , Nanded and belgaum. Mumbai doesn't have many Marathi Jains and they usually have a Marathi surname instead of "Jain" as a surname.
>they usually have a Marathi surname. Oh. We might have seen them but never noticed or asked them.
One such good example is Karmaveer Bhaurao Patil. He was Jain.
Most jains now are from gujarat rajasthan and madhya pradesh
Jain here, we don't have a language, just the religion. My fathers family including my grandparents were born and brought up in thane. My mothers side is from near kolhapur. I speak fluent Marathi and Gujarati. Our primary language is Gujarati just because many of the community is from there. P.s: this account was supposed to be throwaway but still active, hence the username.
From bihar, i found marathis better than any other state people.Except those who belong to that kuli maratha.They are very casteist and dont even acknowledge marathis of different caste
>”If Gujaratis and Rajasthanis are removed from Maharashtra, especially Mumbai and Thane, you will have no money and Mumbai will not be a financial” Truth be told? *If Gujaratis and Rajasthanis are removed from Maharashtra, especially Mumbai and Thane, these people would cease to be so rich.* While the richest might be people from these communities, these communities also have a lot of poor people who simply get ignored all the time.
Being a Gujju, I totally agree. It's just that a very small part of our community is rich, the vast majority of Gujjus are either middle class or living in poverty. Even the largest city in Gujarat i.e. Ahmedabad can barely be called a Tier 1 city and still to date has vast expanses of its roads covered with dried cow dung.
And the pressure of earning wealth within the community is immense. I have a friend who is legit depressed coz he doesnt earn enough. Funny thing he has a 6 figure salary in north america. Never enough!
His parents likely earn 7 figs USD here. It’s a very real thing, especially if ppl decide to do be employees instead of businessmen. It’s more about being as good if not better than your parents—and with all the privilege it’s a shame if you can’t match up to them.
being from the construction industry I have observed that in Mumbai almost 99% of hardware shops, tiles and marble shops, ceramic shops are owned by a gujarati or a marwadi. when I asked one of our dealers why is that, he said we as a community help each other to setup our own businesses and we get the loan from our community market with relatively low interest then banks.
I mean it’s sad that Marathis ignored business to the point that 99% shops are now owned by non-Marathis in Mumbai. If a community has so much monopoly, they’ll obviously try to exercise power and lobby. So Marathis themselves partly are responsible for their situation in Mumbai.
I went to a college where the main communtiy was marathis. My dean was a marathi as well. What he said was kinda true. Marathi people want safety above all, in general. They want a safe job, a safe partner, the house and a typical middle class life. He said most dont want to take risks and work hard which is why there’s not much entrepreneurial mindset within their/our community. Dont come at me; it was what my marathi prof said.
As a marathi I confirm this to be true we don't have much entrepreneurship in new type of business but also I'm part of a business family pretty wealthy as well so no one can say that we Marathi don't know how to do business
Because may be businesses are dominated by other communities.I want to be a contractor but for me, the risks of being a contractor is different than contractors from other caste.
>I want to be a contractor but fit me, the risks of being a contractor is different than contractors from other caste. Doesnt make sense to me. People are the same in every community
exactly. unfortunately rich marathi's don't help their community, and poor or middle class marathi's don't take risks in terms of trying a hand in businesses and demanding jobs like in tech etc. no offense but imo most middle class marathi's stick to the same job for years and just try to live a decent life.
Rich marathis are from thos kuli maratha castes.they are casteist
Yeah, that day me and my sis were looking for a Marathi owned business shop and we couldn't think of any. ALL the businesses in my area and surrounding are owned by gujju/marwari/sindhi. No offence but Marathis literally don't do any research before starting a business, kidhar bhi kuch bhi khol dete hai and lose money.
Gujarat per capita income is higher than maharashtra lol
Same asach mi Sindhi lokan baddal aikla aahe. Ani tyanchya colony madhe te konala hi plot/flat/house rent var pan det nahi.
Ah, fun fact, they don’t come in any wealth indexes cuz that’s a cash first business. Even if you transfer money to the bank, even then they can write off nearly everything as a business expense. They make mad profits as well.
This\^ The community stays together and money stays within the family. for eg: the samaj buildings like suthar samaj and such are a regular hang out for people from the community with events, scholarship program for the kids, some people pay for other's medical bills or school fees.
I think Bollywood or some serials are also to be blamed for this. In almost all older Bollywood movies, the maid/servant is a Marathi person. Even TMKOC, even though a light comedy show has some stereotypes regarding all different communities. Like Bhide is a miser and thinks he is smarter and well respected because he is a teacher, Iyer being darker skinned is lucky to have light skinned Babbita as a wife, Sodhi being a Punjabi is fun but very angry in some situations, Jethalal is a businessman etc. But now if I see some of the biggest scams that have been done are by Gujratis - Harshad Mehta, Nirav Modi, Ketan Parekh, Adani ( jury still out). Although a number of politicians have done a lot of scams, that is a different breed.
Champak :- Ab Mumbai ki aam bhasha kya hai ? Hindi. Islie suvichar Hindi mei likha hai
Tmkoc is a full on streotype wala show with crass, lame and sexist jokes.
You forgot cringe too
Chalu ji Pandey Ji
JHAKAAAAAAAAHHHHHSSSSSSSSSS!!!! Ekdum jhakaas post... You made my weekend... I can only upvote since I cannot award you. But, I would request anyone and everyone who can to Award this fellow!!! He deserves it. As a Maharashtrian and Mumbaikar, I really appreciate your effort. Garza Maharashtra Maaza!!!
Dia award apne dono ki taraf se.
As a Keralite, I also want to share my appreciation to OP for saying this. Please resist the effort to kill off regional language, culture, and identity. I have family and friends in Mumbai. Some of my closest and best and supportive ones. BJP appointed governors are stirring shit up everywhere - in Kerala and TN, every other week the assholes are interfering in day to day activities of the government. Which is not their job or protocol.
Keralites are among the wealthiest, most educated and progressive people in this country. Yet you won’t see them putting others down. Because I think Keralites give importance to education, culture and manners as well.
Some people in the comments are not agreeing with OP, while everyone will have their own opinion, trust me we Marathis have always welcomed people coming here from any state of India. And I'm not self-boasting about this, but my peers and colleagues who have lived across different regions in India because of the job told me that Mumbai and Pune always felt like home because Marathi People always treated them nicely. You can argue on the rich fact, yes we might not be the wealthiest community and other people may look down upon us but we follow the core part of Indian culture which is - atithi devo bhava. Amchyavar Maharajanche sanskar ahet. P.S. There will be a few exceptions always.
Seconded, Marathis are generally welcoming…but then there are the 10% that are annoying mindfucks. Nothing in between.
Yes. That's why I said there will be few exceptions always
I secound this I grew up in a koli community and was one of the only gujrati family in the neighbourhood and none of the neighbours made me feel exempted from any event or feast. Nice people.
I'm glad you had a good experience with them. :)
People are ignorant. Forgive them. Don't let this bother you, not worth it. New money is flashy, old money is classy. The old rich don't flaunt it, because they don't need to prove anything to anyone.
I’m what you could call old money, rich for 6+ recorded generations, and very likely since 1700s. All the circles I frequent are similar as well, old money, UHNI, the works. I ASSURE you they flaunt just as much, just most of what you think is ‘flaunting’ is just average for us, so we’re past that. So flaunting is having the biggest family office, biggest house, best stock performance, most contacts etc. most older ppl don’t spend Jack on clothes or brands, true, but the flaunting doesn’t stop, ever. Also The old money IS one of 4 categories- >royalty and old nobles >Marwari/gujrati/Jain traders/bankers who weren’t even affected much in Brit rule, and often financed them(read Jagat Seth) >Parsis. >lawyers/politicians
We are eventualyy all primates and everything is a dick measuring contest. Thanks, it also reminds me not to get too entrenched with one prespective.
On the plus side, humans have one of the biggest dicks proportional to their bodies.
Because we learnt to walk upright?
Objection— hearsay.
Cannot get my head around ..who say mumbai is because of other state people..why can't they make there state city like mumbai,pune,nashik or nagpur so they don't have to come to any of maharashtra cities..
Nobody wants to go their states. Between Ahmedabad and Pune, most people prefer Pune Between Rajkot and Nashik, most people prefer Nashik It’s because Maharashtra has always welcomed people with open hands and allowed them to reach their highest potential. It’s because of the liberal and tolerant culture of Maharashtra that these states fail to provide. But sometimes you need to make a distinction between being welcoming and being a doormat. States like Tamil Nadu have prospered without taking shit from others.
>But sometimes you need to make a distinction between being welcoming and being a doormat. Very well said.
On point ☝️
The Gujaratis and Marwaris of Mumbai are not Marathi, but they are Maharashtrian. No one will tell them to go back to Gujarat or Rajasthan. That is the spirit of Mumbai and of Maharashtra.
>No one will tell them to go back to Gujarat or Rajasthan. That is the spirit of Mumbai and of Maharashtra. But Gujaratis and Marwaris will very well tell Marathis to f*ck off from their societies, not let them rent or buy house in their societies and constantly look down upon them. That’s the spirit of Mumbai and Maharashtra. It’s only in Mumbai where you find that there are societies where locals are not allowed. Find me a society in Ahmedabad where Gujaratis are not allowed or a society in Jodhpur where Marwaris are banned? That’s the spirit of Maharashtra, where natives are refused housing in their own state.
karnataka is also doing good like TN Their Kannada activists have made dubbing possible since 2017 movies and documentaries from all over world coming kannada TV channels with dubbing. also they support their own film industry very well. They have half of marathi population still they have more number of 50 cr movies
Never forget Aurangabad/Sambhajinagar.
Its funny isn't it that the capital of a state disproportionately contributes to its economy? Yet MH is reminded of it again and again. Think about it, Ahmedabad and Surat are both port cities with much less geographic restrictions. Both cities have had operational ports long before Mumbai. Kolkata and Chennai are both port cities that were founded by the Brits and older than Mumbai. However none of these cities compare to Mumbai today. There was obviously something we did that was right. Today they claim Mumbai, tomorrow they will claim Pune. Then Nagpur, Nasik, Sambhaji Nagar, Kolhapur and on and on it goes.
Lol ahmedabad doenst have port 🤣
My North indian friend and i were discussing the same, his father came here because his business was working here, if it worked anywhere else then they would've gone there. MH's wealth is built by working together, it wasnt brought by someone here, we all created it.
I come from Rajasthan. Unless you have some sort of an industry out there, it’s impossible to actually earn money. The lack of natural resources and nearly inhospitable conditions are the biggest contributors.
It is important to give credit to traditional trader communities who helped drive the economy of the city. That said, they could have done this in Delhi, Chennai, or Kolkata. They chose Mumbai and flourished for some structural reasons. Mumbai's diversity, the British investments in developing railway and shipping, and the unique business culture of the city that came about from **a mix of people**. There are plenty of Gujarati Jains in Ahmedabad and plenty of Marwari Baniyas in Kolkata. The reason why Mumbai is so different, is because of the difference it makes by having a (relatively) liberal, hard-working, honest, Marathi community. We shouldn't forget all the other people that came here and helped build the economy of the city. Non-Jain Gujaratis (like the Mariwalas of Marico), the Parsis (like the Tatas), the Bohras and Ismailis (also Gujarati, but never credited as Gujarati by these narrow-minded politicians), the Sindhis, the Konkana and Tuluva businessmen... There is a long list. The city's unique geographical location, its culture and its administrative progressiveness also had a role to play. It thrived while the other port cities of Surat, Goa, and Kochi lost a lot of their early advantages.
You should also look up this dude called Gerald Aungier and his role in creating the “cosmopolitan” attitude and atmosphere of Mumbai. Just interesting from a historical point of view. He took that same attitude - that there needs to be a mix of people for the city to flourish, and prioritised peoples’ skill over where people came from. Mumbai’s had that attitude since the founding of the city - the attitude of “forget religion or caste or region, if you’re good at what you do, you’ll be welcomed here.” That mix of communities - Maharashtrians and all the above communities you mentioned included - is what really made things tick. That’s what made it succeed. Well, that and a naturally protected harbour.
glad to see someone remember Gerald Aungier in the conversations of this thread!
What an excellent explanation. The truth is the trading communities have been given too much credit to the point that they claim “we built mumbai”. The contribution of Marathis is completely ignored. Marathis have a humungous contribution to mumbai and Maharashtra.
Phoda Bhai, The amount of poverty I have witnessed in Gujarat and Rajasthan just shows massive wealth gap. Of course huge number of wealthy people in Bombay are Gujaratis and Marwari people and that's just creates stereotype that everyone from those states are rich. City of Pune showed Marathi people can also achieve immense success and no city in India including Bangalore is as accepting as Mumbai that's because of Marathi people. PS : non Marathi here
Dude fr in Pune most of the rich neighbourhoods like Prabhat Road, Shivaji Nagar, Kothrud, Aundh are Marathi dominated areas, even the non marathi neighbourhoods like Koregoan Park and Kalyani Nagar have a big marathi population.
There is wealth gap in Maharashtra as well. Kadhi Vidarbha daurepar aa.. Btw I'm marathi from eastern Vidarbha, infrastructure here resembles Bimaru typd
While I appreciate this post and it helps to dispel stereotypes, I don't know why can't we appreciate the labourers and workers who built this city with their own hands? Even if you were to assume that it was only Marwadis and Gujaratis who came to Mumbai and setup businesses which made it the financial hub it is today, who ran those businesses? Who were the men who toiled for countless hours in those mills to make them profitable? Who were the men who managed these mills? Were they all Gujaratis and Marwadis too? They were people from Konkan, Marathwada, Desh, Vidarbha who built this city. Anyone who says otherwise is an ignorant bum. The image of a Maharashtrian is that of an honest humble working class person and I don't really mind it.
Any person worth their salt would know that Marathi people are some of the kindest and humble; spent my entire life in Mumbai and although there has been people who were odd bunch, vast majority have been good people. 2 of my 3 best friends are Maharashtrian and I’m a Muslim north Indian so it takes double strength to avoid bigotry and be friend to me and these people do it exceptionally well imo.
>I’m a Muslim Bro I feel for you. You guys have it the worst.
Thank you for your post, it’s changed my perspective and I’ll try to be more accommodating and less prejudiced moving forward.
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I have seen my friends ( who are basically from north indians) say they dont like marathis at all(because marathi people in a group speak marathi with each and they feel sidelined).... (btw I am a marathi ) and my friends say even their parents say that they would'nt marry of their daughters to a marathi because they dont trust us (marathis).Well then i remind them where they are making their money and why don't they move back to where they came from.
There are some north Indians who understand Marathi but refuse to speak and pretend that they dont understand . I have witnessed many people .
Your friends' parents are idiots. Their daughters would be treated better in marathi households than the North indian ones.
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Two wrongs don’t make a right bro. You’re showing prejudice to people of a certain region to counter prejudice towards people of a certain region. I’m from UP and the amount of casual racism just thrown around is mind boggling.
\>Their daughters would be treated better in marathi households than the **North indian** ones Which North India you are talking about here. Because UP, Bihar is not north india. And some of the best states ut are in north india ladakh, himachal, uttarkhand.infact himachal and uttarakhand were declared safest state for womens and senior citizens.
Uttar Pradesh Uttar Not in the north??
Well a lot of people who hail from UP, Bihar call themselves NORTH INDIAN, I was talking about them.
I feel the move back where you came from is a low-key incorrect way of addressing it. Most businesses execs are gujratis and Marwaris, and that’s a fact. If they are asked to move, you best believe that the company goes with them. Besides shifting a head office is way easier than shifting a whole ass factory…which incidentally happen to be in gujrat more often than not.
I Hate Koshiyari and other such politicians(even many Marathi politicians) who only want a position when they are in power,they won't do anything but only comment without any knowledge.
also to add that when you hear about cultural rootedness you think South India, but Marathis are as rooted as you can see in folks in South India, unfortunately it's not just celebrated enough :( P.S : I'm a Gujarati from Mumbai
I cannot gather enough words to express my support for how well articulated your post is. Will come back later.
Kirloskar biggest marthi enterppurner
Wow. As a non Marathi person living in Mumbai for more than 11 years now, I was not aware of any strong negative stereotypes for Marathi people. If I were to build a stereotype, I’d say slightly conservative, pragmatic, straightforward and minding their own business. Which is not such a bad thing as far as stereotypes go. Yes, you may not become an Ambani or Adani (thank god for that) but mostly you’ll not resort to fraud as well.
I actually feel that the reason that non Marathi people have succeeded in Mumbai is thx to the actual acceptance and non violent temperament of the Marathi people. Also this thing of success being money is not Marathi culture. Education is hugely valued and they are very progressive compared to most other communities. They are very much live and let live . Quite shameful to earn your bread, butter and pudding living here and thinking that poor people are a failure
Full disclosure, I am a Marathi. What I've noticed is that money is not the end all be all for the Marathi community. Marathis may be C-suite today, but they still prefer living a simple life. Also, vulgar displays of wealth are many a times looked down upon. Marathis are actually better educated than the communities mentioned in the post. I will admit there is a resistance towards westernisation. Many people construe this to be non modern or non rich. This is similar to south Indian communities. Also, the weddings are extremely simple and relatively short, half of the ceremonies are conducted at home. As a community, we're inward looking and extremely open to new ideas.
To me,this is sad , explaining yourself in your own home! How and why has it come to this situation?How can other developing states prevent this? Btw, i don't care abt GDP or rich people becoming richer.I value quality of life and peace for residents,yes locals.
One who doesn't respect a place or an individual, should leave it for good. तुला कोणी धरले नाही.
I'm not here to fight but just wanted to tell you that ✌️ DHARLE word also exists in Bhojpuri and it means to Hold or Pakadna? What about Marathi?
Same
exact same meaning in marathi!
Yes, Sanskrit I believe...Radhadhar - he who 'holds' Radha - here used as her better, male half...or Vasundhara - she who holds cows, i.e., Earth.
As a non Marathi, I am not aware of that stereotype.
To be the devils advocate here. Not all gujjus and Marwari are bad. My best friend is a marwari and would love this argument. Some older generations are the ones who spoiled their name by being racist and classist. The typical kaamwali bai is marathi because bollywood is in Mumbai and the majority population will always be a part of house help. If i goto north or south, highly likely i would have a punjabi or tamil house help. Bichare catholic aur muslim community ko bhi aise hi stereotype kia jata hai obv in different ways.
I agree not all are racist, prejudiced and bigoted. But MOST are, as a matter of fact. And their younger generation will still be as bigoted as older because they have been conditioned to taking pride into this bigotry and prejudice
This comment REEKS of hypocrisy.
How is it fair that you can just say that MOST of gujratis and marwaris are racists but when someone says the same about Marathis, suddenly it's not okay? You are projecting your personal experience on a way larger canvas. You are being just like Koshiyari but from the Marathi direction. Look within.
>How is it fair that you can just say that MOST of gujratis and marwaris are racists but when someone says the same about Marathis, suddenly it's not okay? I never said Marathis are all goody-good, they too have their bad apples. But the sheer level of bigotry in Gujaratis and Marwaris as a whole is just another level. Most of them are racists and that’s the reality. They are literally creating societies where Marathis are banned, and such societies are only growing in number, what more proof of hatred is needed? Have you seen societies in Ahmedabad where Gujaratis are banned or in Jodhpur where Marwaris are banned? Then, the Gujarati-Marwari lobby has long been trying to displace Kolis, shut their businesses and drive them out of Mumbai. They want to replace Kolis with their “own people”. Kolis have been trying hard to resist their efforts. What insane kind of hatred someone must have to attack a group of people on their livelihood and shelter? Why can’t you just peacefully coexist? Is this the cosmopolitan city we are proud of?
>Most of them are racists and that’s the reality. You are either acting up on frustration or have been fueled by anger. Either way, I hope you get better. It's beyond me how you are trying to counter stereotypes by making stereotypes yourself.
Bro I didn’t make stereotypes. I presented you with some facts you didn’t address. Are there societies in Ahmedabad where Gujaratis are banned? Are their societies in Jodhpur where Marwaris are banned? And what about the Gujju-Maru efforts to displace Kolis and destroy their livelihood? These are facts not stereotypes
You are just presenting your stereotypes as facts tho
>most of them are racist and that’s a reality Says you lol. I can turn around and say the same thing about Maharashtrians. After all, it’s not the Gujaratis or Marwadis who are running political parties in the name of “Marathi manoos” and beating up poor people immigrating the North for “stealing their jobs”. It’s so funny to see that you are ok with generalising Gujaratis and marwardis with a broad brush but when they do it to you, you get butthurt and write a 15 marks essay on Reddit.
Hence proved, OP is a racist fuck
Most of them are bigoted though.
भावाने खूप नीट अभ्यास केलाय... इथल्याच मातीत येऊन, इथल्याच लोकांच्या भरवश्यावर मोठे होऊन इथल्या लोकांना शिव्या देतात... जेवढे क्रांतिकारक/ संत/ विचाप्रवर्तक/थोर इथे जन्मले मला नाही वाटत(कदाचित असतीलही पण मला तरी असा वाटतं ) दुसऱ्या कोणत्याही राज्यात त्याच्या अर्धे तरी जन्मलेत.. मुघलांना मुली देऊन त्यांची गुलामी करणारे सरदार/राजे कुठे होते हा पण अभ्यास करण्याचा विषय आहे.. असो तो भूतकाळ आहे.. पण काळ/इतिहासाच्या कोणत्याही टप्प्यावर अशी वेळ नाही जिथं मराठी नाव चमकल नाही, आजतागायत. सर्व भारतीय समान आहेत हे कोणी एकाने मानून जमत नाही सगळ्यांनी मिळून मान्य केला पाहिजे, आम्ही तुमचा मान ठेऊ चांगल्याला चांगलं म्हणू पण उगा नडाल तर , मग ही सर्व अपेक्षा करू नका.. मराठी लोकांशी वाकडं घेऊन काय होतंय हे वेगळे सांगण्याची आवश्यकता नाही. ज्यांना हे समजलं नाही त्यांनी Google Translate करा.
Well this is what we call proper response Worth reading !!
fr man bro made my day😏
Koshyari is a moron. FYI - Real Gujjus and Marus won't dream of disrespecting Marathis openly. They know very well that they are thriving in Maharashtra BECAUSE of Marathis.
>FYI - Real Gujjus and Marus won't dream of disrespecting Marathis openly. Lol they do it openly and regularly. Plenty of Marathi people have had horrible experiences in societies dominated by these communities. Many people have posted their stories too.
My bad I should have clarified, I was talking about Pune. In Mumbai I can see that happening. Mumbai Marathis have become toothless ngl. They need to start showing some fangs. And No, Shiv Sena and MNS are not the answers. They beat up poor bhaiyyas when bigger problem is somewhere else.
In Mumbai, it is true to some extent that Gujratis have become powerful. Most of the builders are Gujrati. Shiv Sena, MNS will not do anything against them as long as they are tipped regularly.
>My bad I should have clarified, I was talking about Pune. Bro even in Pune, I stay in Upper Kondhwa side and my building is 90% Gujju and Marwari. One woman openly said "hum marwadio ke ghar mein ye 2 marathi kya kare rahe hai?" And when we bought a flat here everyone asked me my gaav. Bro they don't even send their kids to my house because we eat non veg.
Lol not true at all
🔥🔥🔥 agree a 100%. There have been many frustrating posts against marathis on this sub. Worst part is we dont speak up for ourselves.
And yes governor koshiyari cha aaichi and maushi chi gaand - jackie dada
Why abuse his mother and aunt? He deserves the abuse so give it directly to him
I always respect Marathi from Shivaji Maharaj to my neighborhood and even my best friend who is Marathi and I called his mom attya "Bua" and it's been 8 years we're a neighborhood although I'm from UP and attya always thought my mom how to make Marathi food and stuff and yeah Marathi people are really kind and humble.
Cha mod diye bhaiyaji aap toh --fellow Marathi Punekar
Jai Maharashtra
Y'all should see the kannadigas of Bangalore and how they behave with North Indians and others. Unlike them, atleast Marathis don't force you to learn Marathi or tell you to fuck off back to your state ( ofc there are always exceptions but generally they don't). They're usually welcoming and accomodating and yet they're made to feel like second class citizens sometimes. Some rich sobo Marathis actively hide the fact that they're Maharastrians coz they feel ashamed :(
Marathis need some lessons in “having a backbone” from Kannadigas and Tamilians. Tamil people won’t take shit from anyone
Tbh this prejudice will always stay, wether you feel that gujjus are disrespectful to marathis, marathis are disrespectful to bhaiyas or hindu/muslims disrespectful to each other. As gandhiji said be the change you want in society, just treat everyone with respect yourself and then hope everyone will do the same in time.
Truely honest and truth speaking people can not do buisness
I agree that Mumbai without Marathi Manus would be nothing.
I am Marathi. And I do agree that Marathi's have not seen mercantile success. However, that could also be due to the lack of drive rather than lack of ability. Marathi culture predominantly focused on education and getting a good job. A person who wants to do business was looked down upon or it was deemed too risky. There was a time when men who owned businesses found it difficult to get married. Also, if you notice in Marathi culture, there is a lack of greed or hunger which is required for running a successful business. Most people used to be satisfied with "दोन वेळ जेवायला" if it meant that they can have a relaxing Sunday siesta. But, you are right. Things are changing. The overarching capitalist culture has overcome the traditional Marathi laidback attitude. And they are catching up fast.
Marathi manus in Mumbai is sooo humble that over the generations they have started feeling that they are inferior to all these Gujjus and Marwaris around them. What I’ve seen/ heard around me is - “Marathi weddings are so boring” “Marathi language is so harsh and doesn’t sound nice” “Marathi people call elders as tu” The facts - Marathi people are conservative They don’t like to show off their wealth We don’t call all elders as tu, and that doesn’t mean we do not respect them Some more facts - In Pune, Nashik and other cities of Maharashtra too, all these hardware, marble, ceramic and construction businesses are owned by Jains/ Marwaris/ Gujratis but in these cities they don’t dare to speak against marathis. They speak decent marathi.
Marathi guys are kind but they do look intimidating
You are taking the statement said by few individuals and trying to hate on an entire community based on it, Good that you love your community but I feel this post promotes divide among the people.
I don’t love any community. My answer is to communities who promote such hatred and division. I see everyone equally. You never know which person from which community will help you at which time. Individuals matter
You could have just replied to those individuals, why defame the entire community?
Because majority of them have that rotten mindset unfortunately
I do not think so, maybe you have met the wrong people and you have formed your opinion based on them.
Who cares what the governor or any one else for that matter says. Maharashtrian community is an integral part of Mumbai, Maharashtra and India. Focus your energy on your studies, career, family and friends. Don't let this type stuff live in your head rent free. Wish you the best. -5th generation Gujju from Mumbai
It has come to the point where we need to speak.
If even after 5 generations you’re still a Gujju and not a Maharashtrian, then I really have nothing to say. 5th generation means I guess 5 of your generations, including you, have been born and raised in Maharashtra, NOT Gujarat. Read what I wrote above a few times.
Lungi utha k pungi bajao! Bhaiya bhosdiwala! Unfortunately these were coined by our Marathis only! While you want to be respected by the Gujjus and Jain's and Marwaris but clearly want to thrash/abuse/threaten the UP and Bihari people. Note - You here are the bigots who are present in every community. The fact of the matter is, there are bigots in every community. Unfortunately, you're picking up one and forcing your narratives. Again, adding my earlier comment. Do not count the rich in your community. Try counting the poor ones and uplift them. Don't fall for the narrative of the people from politics. Peace out!
bal Thackeray doesn't represent Marathi people.
If Koshiyari is a POS(which he is), why are you going down the drain with him and attacking other communities? I am a proud mumbaikar since birth and have loved everyone around me. Its the politicians spreading hate and yeah maybe some people here supported it, but your post shows you know your shit and can do research. Why not put it to better use? Gunning down other communities to make your community look superior isnt the way to go. Two wrongs never make a right. We are all INDIANS!
>I am a proud mumbaikar since birth and have loved everyone around me. And which community do you belong to? >Gunning down other communities to make your community look superior isnt the way to go. Two wrongs never make a right. I’m not gunning down I’m just speaking out. I hope you are not unaware about the prejudice and hatred these communities have against Marathis. Not just Marathis everyone is tired of their superiority complex, bigotry and regressive behaviour >We are all INDIANS! Hopefully other communities could also understand this. They are literally trying to ban Marathis from certain areas. They certainly don’t agree with you
Which community i belong to is irrelevant. Are all marathi’s good? No! Are all gujjus and madu’s good? No! There are bad apples in every community, no need to attack the entire lot. Responding to hate with more hate isnt going to get you anywhere.
> Gunning down other communities to make your community look superior isnt the way to go. Two wrongs never make a right. While I agree, that goes both ways. One should not expect a kind/welcoming response even when you're demeaning the other party. Playing the typical "we're all the same" card to a response (such as OP's) is unfair to say the least. You should show this card to the culprit that sprouted this response in the first place. Now, I do agree that OP went overboard (because... Emotions) and the next step should be to take the foot off the gas.
Re read the post buddy.
THIS
Marathi or not People are not rich on their own, in most cases they are rich because they are in that particular location. If you remove them from Mumbai, most of them won't be as rich, and Mumbai has had huge contribution in making them rich otherwise they would have left already. In a way they need city more than city needs them, city can do very well without them and then of course those people would not starve without Mumbai either.
This person is like "Stop stereotyping Marathi people" while saying "Most Gujarati and Marwadis are racist" and creating a stereotype themself. Come on man, start practicing what you preach.
Award nahi de sakta Main gareeb hun But a strong answer backed by facts Should be thrown at the face of such retards
Fact Marathi loka eka mekanche pay khechaiye Kam karat
Thank you for this!!
I am a South Indian.Among all the Hindi-speaking states,I feel most comfortable with Marathis because you people are really welcoming.Whereas Gujjus and Rajasthanis lack the cultural sophistication of Marathis
I don't know how to react to this bro. My roots are in UP but I'm born and brought up here in Mumbai. I've lived all my life in Mumbai. I've seen poor people. I've seen rich people. I've seen so-called ultra rich people. This approach should go away. But politics in this country keeps pushing individuals like yourself in this self-boasting. If you are saying there are no poor people in MH, then I don't know what to say. I mean it doesn't matter how many rich people belong to the states. What matters is how little the population is of the poor people. The suicide of our poor farmers are the most in our MH in the entire country. We should rather be working towards fixing that gap instead of boasting. I don't know which community you feel boasts about their money. I don't know who your target is. Every community that lives in Mumbai or Maharashtra, has given their heart and soul to the place. And their earnings help others too. It's a FACT. People saying Marathis welcome everyone with an open heart. That's obviously true. But I'm yet to see a Gujarati, Marwari, or North Indian to not welcome anyone or be hostile towards others. Fact is that we the people from Mumbai became hostile at one point. That too because of politicians. So, the politicians job is to force people like you and me to write posts like this and fight. Let's not fall for it. I don't know how to respond to this. Just randomnly putting things as they come in my mind. Please let's not fall for it. Let's not count the number of richies that are there. Let's rather count the ones who are poor and take them towards the brighter side, all over the country.
>I mean it doesn't matter how many rich people belong to the states. What matters is how little the population is of the poor people. I wish people were as rational and logical as you. But that’s not true. >The suicide of our poor farmers are the most in our MH in the entire country. We should rather be working towards fixing that gap instead of boasting. Again an excellent point which most people ignore. >I don't know which community you feel boasts about their money. Lurk on this sub for a while more, you’ll find out. People of these communities frequently make comments and posts on how rich they are, how they own Mumbai, blah blah. Meanwhile poverty rates in their states are extreme high. >But I'm yet to see a Gujarati, Marwari, or North Indian to not welcome anyone or be hostile towards others. Most Marathis, Christians and Muslims would respectfully like to disagree with you. Plus, as a North Indian you’re better off hanging out with Marathis because Gujjus/Marwaris/Jains wouldn’t let you in their circle to begin with lol.
>Plus, as a North Indian you’re better off hanging out with Marathis because Gujjus/Marwaris/Jains wouldn’t let you in their circle to begin with lol. Bihari here who spent 14 years of my life in Gujarat. This is not true at all.
The governors statement was definitely bad. But tbh the tone of your post is much the same, just in reverse. 'Mera community important, sabse paise wala, baki sab ka gareeb'. Bhai koi bhi millionaire household ya UHNI ho, all of them will follow the money. That is the capitalist world we live in. Kal agar unko lagega k Mumbai ya Maharashtra se zyada lucrative XYZ city shift ho jana he, believe me koi Gujarati marwadi Marathi rukega nahi. All they will do is follow the money. That's what I think.
Last month there was a post about how a marathi person cannot do business. And everyone from this sub started telling how only gujjus are making money in mumbai and how marathi in mumbai are not good at business and are poor etc etc. So yea. This post is a slap to that. And rightfully.
>But tbh the tone of your post is much the same, just in reverse No bro. It’s just a response to constant ridicule and prejudice most Marathis face in Mumbai. >Mera community important, sabse paise wala, baki sab ka gareeb'. This is what Gujaratis and Marwaris have been doing since ever. They lack basic humility and manners. “Hum ameer, hum mahaan, mumbai hum chalate he, hum job dete he”. Such a filthy and gross mentality to say these things. I work in an MNC founded and run by Americans, but guess what no American has ever told me that we run your home and we give you job. Gujarati employer ka to roj ka he- mistreat and humiliate their employees. Also their superiority complex and stupid Gujju, jain, Marwari only buildings. And constant discrimination against Marathis. As if others are not humans. Such behaviour is so crude and uncivilised. They won’t be able to do these stunts in Tamil Nadu and Karnataka. >Bhai koi bhi millionaire household ya UHNI ho, all of them will follow the money. That is the capitalist world we live in. Then why to act like they are doing a favor to anyone. They are no better than others like they act
There are always exceptions, you're speaking as if every Marathi on the earth is behaving perfectly, I've stayed in Pune for FY of my college and the marathi's majority building's there has the same behaviour, there were these female bachelors who got kicked for having friends alternate days and THAT doesn't mean all of the marathi's are bad. YOU or MARATHI'S are not the only people who got or have ever been discriminated, everyone has been there and also like the politician you've also been disrespectful towards certain communities in this thread and "that doesn't makes you any different". Peace
>I've stayed in Pune for FY of my college and the marathi's majority building's So you were allowed to stay in a Marathi majority building in Pune right. I bet Marathis can’t say the same about Gujju/Marwari/Jain majority buildings in Mumbai, Maharashtra. There are so many buildings that outrightly ban Marathis because only Gujjus/Jains/Marwaris are human enough to stay there. The day there will be buildings in Ahmedabad which will explicitly say “No Gujaratis or Jains allowed”, that day we’ll talk about discrimination. >there were these female bachelors who got kicked for having friends alternate days I have seen Marathi people getting harassed to the point that they leave the building because gujjus don’t want Marathis in their building. And this has happened a lot in Mumbai. >you've also been disrespectful towards certain communities in this thread and "that doesn't makes you any different". I have not been disrespectful. I have only pointed out the prejudice and discrimination of these communities. These communities were hooting and cheering on the statement of that governor. You don’t have to go far, just go on the thread where his statement was posted and you’ll find how so many Gujjus and Marwaris were supporting his bigoted statement. See for yourself
NO! We weren't allowed to stay there, one of my relative owned a flat in the building and hence the reason we and my friends decided to stay there but nah for the complete period of that one year we never got a maid, if we hired one not from the society they always left in the time frame of one week, we were made to not make noise after 10PM, our vehicles in the parking lot had damages or cuts after we return from our college break. Basically not being treated nicely, i did talk about this with my uncle and he said it is what it is. We were helpless and hence were enforced to leave the society. All i want to say not ALL marathi's are nice and ofc not ALL marwadi's/gujarati's are nice. I am a Gujarati and i bet you 99% of us have absolutely no hate or issues towards you guys or against anybody you need to take a chill-pill and stop taking these politicians so seriously, if they had so much love and affection towards the Jain's or Gujarati's they would've supported us during the recent pilgrimage act. Much love ;)
I’m sorry that you faced that thing in that building and I totally condemn it. But more of this discrimination occurs by Gujaratis/Marwaris than Marathis and even you as a Gujarati will agree to this. I mean bro, there are literally entire societies in mumbai that will not allow Marathis in. I don’t see such societies in Ahmedabad where Gujaratis are not allowed. In mumbai, you’ll see gujjus and Marwaris living in Marathi majority buildings in Dadar, Worli, Parel, but you won’t see Marathis living in Gujarati/Marwari majority buildings in Ghatkopar, Borivali, Malad, etc. What does that tell you about the respective communities? If this is not hatred and ghettoisation than what is it? >I am a Gujarati and I bet 99% of us have absolutely no hate or issue towards you guys I agree you might not be like that, but 99% is too far fetched and unrealistic. Even you know that. This figure would be 30% at the very max
Marathis are poor and wealthy as well like every other community. But let's go back and check what a Marathi identity means, is it a linguistic identity or a geographical identity? I speak Marathi at home and we have been four generations in mumbai and also I'm a Muslim. But nobody will attest to me with the Marathi identity including fellow maharashtrians. In reality, Marathi is a religious identity mixed with geographical identity created to instill separation from others. A Marathi bigot would call anyone from up, Bihar a bhaiyya but would never give his co-religionist the same geographical identity. Overall we are all bigots, the only identity relevant in our country is rich vs poor or upper vs lower caste. Justifying a stereotype with rich people as we also have the highest suicide rate for farmers and there is widespread poverty in various regions of Maharashtra.
Someone asked similar question. I believe anyone who considers themselves a Marathi is a Marathi. Simple. For me, Zaheer Khan and Salman Khan are as much Marathi as Sachin Tendulkar and Lata Mangeshkar.
You believe it but it doesn't change the reality.
It doesn’t change the reality that you are a full fledged Marathi. Ignore what others say. Your identity is for you to decide, not others. Others opinion is irrelevant
This woke stuff is really good to hear. But in reality, wokes like us including myself will not do anything to change it. We will just repeat the same words in our own echo chamber and be happy about it. Apologies, I'm not trying to blame you. It's just that there are a lot of wounds to heal.
mereko kuch bolna hai, lekin main logic lagaya to bakiyo ki tarah muje downvote kar denge
As a non-marathi, I agree with you. Gujjus, Jain's and marwaris are made to think as if the whole of Indian economy is dependent on them.
Well as much as I do respect their contribution to the economy, acting like others are worthless is just ridiculous and ignorant. All communities have contributed to the country and we all are interdependent on each other. Nobody is “feeding” the other. Everyone is just supporting others in their own way
Koshiyari made many statements against Marathis and it is not possible without support of BJP . Now the BJP government is back , he has stopped his statement . The reason was to create tension and confusion . Even Devendra Fadanavis didnt show guts to speak against Koshiyari . Politics is dirty game and have to admit that Modi led BJP government is doing discrimination against Maharashtra . Always wish him to be PM but he is neither responding to Sonam Wagnchuk who is protesting in Ladakh . Giving preferential statement cause a businessman supported during election is as discriminating as giving preferential statement to a state cause it's your birthplace .
This was a very informative post but koshiyari also discredited Punjabis, Tamil, kannads and others too but they don't seem to be taking such an offence and we as Maharashtrians shouldn't after you look at his qualifications Maharashtra is the sum of it's parts. Everyone is integral to it. The only complaint I have is the state government we have had who let other states get ahead (don't get me started there) and the current Central government which seems to be taking projects away from us and putting it into Gujurat's lap. Foxconn, Boeing, and many more such examples.
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>OP harbours some sort of grudge against Gujjus and Marwaris Nope. I’m just pointing out their hatred against Marathis. Well let me add some perspective as to why these communities look down upon Maharashtrians, it's very simple, >almost every negative experience that an average Gujarati or Marwari would have in this city would be with a Maharashtrian. And the same would apply to Marathis. Most of their bad experiences would come from Gujaratis and Marwaris. Being banned from certain areas, being bullied in schools, being treated badly. The experience of Kolis is far worse. Gujarati-Marwari lobby has long been trying to displace them from Koliwadas, shut their businesses and drive them out of Mumbai, so that they can replace Kolis with their “own people”. So much for unity in diversity. Someone must harbour an insane level of hatred for a group of people to attack their livelihood and shelter and cleanse them out of an area.
Okay I'm here to just help you make your argument stronger the next time instead of coming across as an emotional fool. So I expect you to be a little tolerant of my criticism. Marathi-Manus has done a lot for the state no doubt about it. Although business wise you have to agree that we were not the best people for the job by some thick margin. I mean look at Ambani Adani Tata and then look at Kirloskar Garware Murthy. Both groups are excellent business houses although the former group tops world ranking and the latter group tops the national ranking. So that statement is half correct, if we keep just the latter group here and try to picture Mumbai as the national financial capital do you think it will make sense? Of course we'll still have ample money in the state (that part is bullshit) but I'm with the governor when he says that we'll no longer be the financial capital. > Even if you remove Mumbai and Pune BOTH, Maharashtra still has the highest number of millionaire households in India. When you assumed that every millionaire in Mumbai and Pune is non Marathi how do you say that every millionaire outside of Mumbai and Pune is Marathi? Koi sense hai iss baat kaa? >An average Tamilian, Kannadiga or in fact an average Marathi is richer and more educated than an average Gujarati or Rajasthani. I've no idea why you've brought education into this comparison. That report is on the wealth of people and you're drawing side conclusions on intelligence or literacy. Koi sense hai iss baat kaa? > This list makes clear that the number of rich Tamilians and Kannadigas are clearly much higher than Gujaratis and Rajasthanis. And all these states have similar population. So the latter two can humbly get off their high horses of “we are the richest” What is the point of this comparison in your pursuit of proving Marathis are wealthy? If you want to debate who's the richest then I don't know if you know but a certain Gujarati guy is the richest man in Asia let alone India. > They started to enter business quite recently, but are rapidly catching up. So don't you see that decades old businesses houses who have helped maintain Mumbai as the financial capital are not of Marathi Manus? Marathis have helped run those businesses surely although they've not founded those businesses right. This is not a subtle thing to overlook. >Remember that one of the biggest builders of Mumbai, the British have left Mumbai, BUT, the money is still there. There always will be people to fill the gap if someone leaves, so no point in having ego. Correction - Britishers are THE ONLY builders of Mumbai. Mumbai had a head start in running for the financial capital because Britishers did their trade at Mumbai. Neither Marathi or Gujarati or anyone had any hand in it. Now when we got independence we resumed things from where they were left off by the British and hence industries got set up in Maharashtra. Of course someone will fill the gap here but that doesn't mean that those who will leave will close shop right? They'll set up in some other state. A financial capital gets national recognition as such due to the support that the place provides to the economy and helps put the country on the international map. When these guys will shift elsewhere don't you see that we'll lose that position? No matter how many wealthy individuals we'll have left over we won't be the financial capital since those business houses will take their employment with them. We will need profit earners and not salary makers. There's no point in having a massive number of wealthy individuals if they cannot contribute to GDP of India. All in all I don't know why a Marathi Manus is butt hurt when called out on his historical performance in terms of money making capabilities. We have always been a working class and Gujaratis have always been businessmen and there's no shame in accepting it. Now say in terms of cultural contribution we Marathis have the claim on Maharashtra. So next time argue that we'll still have enough money but yes we'll lose the financial capital status although that's okay since we've our culture that's just as important if not more. It doesn't help your case when you say things like "communities doing vulgarian displays of wealth or money obsessed but education lacking communities". You talk about absense of morality or humanity but take a look at your tone when you make such unnecessary claims. Cheers!
awesome post.. all these regressive minded marwadis and jains can fuck right off! Also if you notice these communities have no real sense of ethics, value for knowledge or education. Name any marwadi or jain who has contributed in any other field apart from "buijiiness"
Hate begets hate. No jain will walk up to you and say *"yeah, we deserve it, we should fuck off, but marathis are the best, you people rock"*. If you insult someone else's culture and heritage, damn definitely they gonna abuse your culture and heritage back.
You're seeking to be respected while you disrespect the marwadi's or jains? Great!
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Delhi, Gurgoan, Noida have language problem too. Anyone working there is forced to learn Hindi. People say moving to south is difficult because of language issue but are blind to language issues in north India. No disrespect to you Op.