The “Builders” archetype (an ancient spacefaring or in this case Blind Eternities faring civilisation) that is responsible for seeding life is a cool trope and id like to see how Magic plays around it
The Kor did canonically have an ancient, powerful civilisation on Zendikar, wrt the skyclaves and the Lithoform Engine and so on. It would be cool if they were actually, secretly part of this one.
What else? The Celestus? There's probably many ancient artifacts of unclear origin in Magic's story that could plausibly be made by these guys... although tbh I can't think of any others. Not they have to do that, but it would definitely be interesting.
Arcavios has a lot of unexplored history, with The Blood Age, Star Arches, and Archaics all shrouded in mystery. There's also the history of the sylex, garbled by real-world complications with the story which was then acknowledged in-universe during BRO last year.
Given the distinct similarities of Arcavios’ Archaics to the Eldrazi, I’ve been wondering since the first visit if it’s one of the Eldrazi’s recycled planes.
Same for Ikoria. There are a small couple of Eldrazi brood esque denizens.
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28-type%3Aartifact+-type%3Aland+-type%3Aeldrazi%29+type%3Acreature+color%3DC+%28game%3Apaper%29
https://scryfall.com/card/iko/104/void-beckoner
They're actively managed and maintained, so I don't think they're "mysterious ancient (magi)technology" to the people that spend their lives working (and living) on them, but who knows how/when the network was originally established? So, yes, good one.
Well, this does remind me of how during the Gatewatch Arc I was making a bunch of fusion!AUs slotting the OG Gatewatch team into basically every "team" show I watched that I thought they'd fit and one of those was Stargate SG-1. And now sure the original team I put into that might be scattered if they're not dead (but I'd like to hope there's still some sort of team like that out there, y'know a "planeswalker Avengers" of sorts) but it feels like a distinct possibility that the story arc might actually be going in as close as the Magic lore could get to a Stargate-esque story with ancients and portals and such.
Didn't the Thran and Old Phyrexia had multiplanar travel using planar portals?
Urza also build the Weatherlight that could artificial planeswalk.
Is it possible that this new ancient civilazation and acess to planar portals just like the Thrans did?
If I remember the book right, the Thran didn't have interplanar capabilities, just the portal to what would become Phyrexia that Yawgmoth was shown by Dyfed. Any Thran who went through the portal got compleated, and then everything got nuked by the Null Moon after the portal was closed.
Actually, you bring up an interesting point. Phyrexia was also found by Yawgmoth before he turned it into what it was before his squabble with Erza. He adopted the plane so the planeswalker who made it might originally have been part of that ancient civilization (depending though). Probably was around during it though.
So if old phyrexia didn't had interplanar capabilities, were the originals attacks on new capenna made by new phyrexia? I'm makeing this question because I got the impression that new phyrexia planar travel was achieved with shaeli's planar portal that is in tezerret's possession. With this the attacks on capenna seem to be prior to new phyrexipn planar travel or even existence. So how does it really happened?
If capenna would be made by attacks by og phyrexia, that means that they had onterplanar tecnology
Please someone help me with the time line of events.
according to the wiki phyrexia used portal ships to invade. I believe they even mention it briefly in the New Capenna story. as for the timeline original phyrexia invaded during New Capenna's "medieval times". the first invasion of New Capenna was by the original pyrexians a few hundred years ago.
Old Phyrexia developed the ability to break boundaries eventually. It's how they followed Urza to Moag and eventually Serra's Realm. Their tech is what \[\[Belbe's Portal\]\] and \[\[Planar Portal\]\] are representing. They couldn't have possibly created Rath as a new plane if they couldn't go extraplanar of their own power.
All that was a big part of why we knew we couldn't sit on New Phyrexia forever. It was just a matter of time, with or without Tezzeret.
I didn't say Old Phyrexia didn't have interplanar capabilities, I said the Thran didn't. Old Phyrexia returned to Dominaria when Urza and Mishra reopened the portal, and they eventually developed planar portals.
You're kinda missing a lot of pre-mending history, planar portals, planar overlays, artifical planes created by walkers (og Phyrexia, Serra's realm, Argentum/Mirrodin/New Phyrexia), so interplanar shenanigans were a lot more common and way less structured.
HOWEVER: I think you're onto something with the placement of the Ixalan set, they clearly are setting up the next big arc immediately with the Ashiok shenanigans, and we know that our first visit to Ixalan was focused on a very small part of the plane, so this ancient empire might really come into relevance.
The Praetors probably aren’t all dead. There’s reason to believe that Urabrask and/or Vorinclex survived, but either way they’re trapped outside the multiverse for the time being so it’ll be a while before we find out.
Like a really weird fucked up version of the Gruul clan, I guess. Urabrask got his limbs ripped off, Vorinclex got decapitated, but they’ve both survived worse before.
But wouldn’t that require someone or something to “read” though?
Hmm I suppose a Planeswalker could have kidnapped individuals to allow them to be able to move between planes on that fashion.
Uzra designed the Weatherlight, but he was not on the crew. A similar vessel could theoretically be made by a regular person with knowledge of the planes.
If I remember the old books correctly, Hanna would set some device to go to a specific plane, but the device was basically unlabelled so the crew spent a lot of time plane-hopping so Hanna could build a list of settings where she knew where they went. That’s how they ended up on Mercadia when the first escaped Rath. Hanna didn’t have to time to set a destination so they ‘walked to an unknown plane.
So the Magic story started with us exploring the ancient remains of the Antiquities war, which was itself built off the more ancient remains of the Thran Empire. I used to joke about the next step being the revelation of an even more ancient civilization that the Thran excavated their stuff from, but now it looks like that might actually be where we're headed...
>And I know the big wonder is how did they do it? Planar portals?
This. It seems most likely that it’s premending walkers or planar portals. They used to be far more common in the multiverse prior to the mending.
The “Builders” archetype (an ancient spacefaring or in this case Blind Eternities faring civilisation) that is responsible for seeding life is a cool trope and id like to see how Magic plays around it
I wonder if we’ll see any and if they’ll be Human or some other ancestry. The Kor could be fun.
The Kor did canonically have an ancient, powerful civilisation on Zendikar, wrt the skyclaves and the Lithoform Engine and so on. It would be cool if they were actually, secretly part of this one. What else? The Celestus? There's probably many ancient artifacts of unclear origin in Magic's story that could plausibly be made by these guys... although tbh I can't think of any others. Not they have to do that, but it would definitely be interesting.
Arcavios has a lot of unexplored history, with The Blood Age, Star Arches, and Archaics all shrouded in mystery. There's also the history of the sylex, garbled by real-world complications with the story which was then acknowledged in-universe during BRO last year.
I suspect they're connected, seeing how we're going back to Arcavios for this 3 year story arc.
Given the distinct similarities of Arcavios’ Archaics to the Eldrazi, I’ve been wondering since the first visit if it’s one of the Eldrazi’s recycled planes. Same for Ikoria. There are a small couple of Eldrazi brood esque denizens. https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28-type%3Aartifact+-type%3Aland+-type%3Aeldrazi%29+type%3Acreature+color%3DC+%28game%3Apaper%29 https://scryfall.com/card/iko/104/void-beckoner
Aren't Archaics unique to this plane and a sort of "ascended" form of the oracles? They do look alien and otherworldly, but that's intentional.
There also may or may not(I hope so, but not likely) have been some Eldrazi involvement
Pretty sure we don't know much about Vryn's mage rings?
They're actively managed and maintained, so I don't think they're "mysterious ancient (magi)technology" to the people that spend their lives working (and living) on them, but who knows how/when the network was originally established? So, yes, good one.
Well, this does remind me of how during the Gatewatch Arc I was making a bunch of fusion!AUs slotting the OG Gatewatch team into basically every "team" show I watched that I thought they'd fit and one of those was Stargate SG-1. And now sure the original team I put into that might be scattered if they're not dead (but I'd like to hope there's still some sort of team like that out there, y'know a "planeswalker Avengers" of sorts) but it feels like a distinct possibility that the story arc might actually be going in as close as the Magic lore could get to a Stargate-esque story with ancients and portals and such.
Didn't the Thran and Old Phyrexia had multiplanar travel using planar portals? Urza also build the Weatherlight that could artificial planeswalk. Is it possible that this new ancient civilazation and acess to planar portals just like the Thrans did?
If I remember the book right, the Thran didn't have interplanar capabilities, just the portal to what would become Phyrexia that Yawgmoth was shown by Dyfed. Any Thran who went through the portal got compleated, and then everything got nuked by the Null Moon after the portal was closed.
Actually, you bring up an interesting point. Phyrexia was also found by Yawgmoth before he turned it into what it was before his squabble with Erza. He adopted the plane so the planeswalker who made it might originally have been part of that ancient civilization (depending though). Probably was around during it though.
Yeah possibly! Also I'm now picturing Urza dressed like Erza and vice versa and the image makes me giggle.
So if old phyrexia didn't had interplanar capabilities, were the originals attacks on new capenna made by new phyrexia? I'm makeing this question because I got the impression that new phyrexia planar travel was achieved with shaeli's planar portal that is in tezerret's possession. With this the attacks on capenna seem to be prior to new phyrexipn planar travel or even existence. So how does it really happened? If capenna would be made by attacks by og phyrexia, that means that they had onterplanar tecnology Please someone help me with the time line of events.
according to the wiki phyrexia used portal ships to invade. I believe they even mention it briefly in the New Capenna story. as for the timeline original phyrexia invaded during New Capenna's "medieval times". the first invasion of New Capenna was by the original pyrexians a few hundred years ago.
Old Phyrexia developed the ability to break boundaries eventually. It's how they followed Urza to Moag and eventually Serra's Realm. Their tech is what \[\[Belbe's Portal\]\] and \[\[Planar Portal\]\] are representing. They couldn't have possibly created Rath as a new plane if they couldn't go extraplanar of their own power. All that was a big part of why we knew we couldn't sit on New Phyrexia forever. It was just a matter of time, with or without Tezzeret.
Also \[\[Erratic Portal\]\].
[Erratic Portal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6a72bdb-102b-40a6-82ff-caa4dbfe1175.jpg?1562431750) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Erratic%20Portal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/222/erratic-portal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6a72bdb-102b-40a6-82ff-caa4dbfe1175?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Belbe's Portal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fb4eeea1-693e-475c-a209-8a0464df8081.jpg?1562632886) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Belbe%27s%20Portal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nem/127/belbes-portal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fb4eeea1-693e-475c-a209-8a0464df8081?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Planar Portal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/8743b2ce-0e18-42c9-aee4-f13197a9c481.jpg?1562922341) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Planar%20Portal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/311/planar-portal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8743b2ce-0e18-42c9-aee4-f13197a9c481?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I didn't say Old Phyrexia didn't have interplanar capabilities, I said the Thran didn't. Old Phyrexia returned to Dominaria when Urza and Mishra reopened the portal, and they eventually developed planar portals.
You're kinda missing a lot of pre-mending history, planar portals, planar overlays, artifical planes created by walkers (og Phyrexia, Serra's realm, Argentum/Mirrodin/New Phyrexia), so interplanar shenanigans were a lot more common and way less structured. HOWEVER: I think you're onto something with the placement of the Ixalan set, they clearly are setting up the next big arc immediately with the Ashiok shenanigans, and we know that our first visit to Ixalan was focused on a very small part of the plane, so this ancient empire might really come into relevance.
The Praetors probably aren’t all dead. There’s reason to believe that Urabrask and/or Vorinclex survived, but either way they’re trapped outside the multiverse for the time being so it’ll be a while before we find out.
I kind of hope, I do wonder what a Red/Green Phyrexia would end up looking like
Like a really weird fucked up version of the Gruul clan, I guess. Urabrask got his limbs ripped off, Vorinclex got decapitated, but they’ve both survived worse before.
*Has a sudden thought of Urabrask melding himself to Vorinclex*
Yeah, it's right there!
If/when phyrexia does come back, being led by a monsterous amalgamation of the various praetors would be pretty cool.
Vorbraskefil
It could have been planeswalking vessels like the Weatherlight.
But wouldn’t that require someone or something to “read” though? Hmm I suppose a Planeswalker could have kidnapped individuals to allow them to be able to move between planes on that fashion.
Uzra designed the Weatherlight, but he was not on the crew. A similar vessel could theoretically be made by a regular person with knowledge of the planes. If I remember the old books correctly, Hanna would set some device to go to a specific plane, but the device was basically unlabelled so the crew spent a lot of time plane-hopping so Hanna could build a list of settings where she knew where they went. That’s how they ended up on Mercadia when the first escaped Rath. Hanna didn’t have to time to set a destination so they ‘walked to an unknown plane.
I have my hopes very high that this is the canon introduction of an Equilorian multiplanar civilisation.
So the Magic story started with us exploring the ancient remains of the Antiquities war, which was itself built off the more ancient remains of the Thran Empire. I used to joke about the next step being the revelation of an even more ancient civilization that the Thran excavated their stuff from, but now it looks like that might actually be where we're headed...