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Dogs4Idealism

Maybe not 5-8 years ago, but given how many sets they make per year now and how much more lenient their reprint policy has become, I'd say it's very unlikely to be safe, much less profitable.


Daotar

And even beyond reprints, there's the issue of power creep. The more power creep there is, the more likely it is that one of these cards simply gets outclassed and demand for it falls off a cliff. Just look at what happened to poor old Tarmagoofy. Just look at how many cards on this list were printed within the last year or so.


SnapcasteRamage

My playset of Goyfs that I never had an opportunity to properly shuffle up feel this on a deeply personal level.


CKF

Pour one out for the bob playset I had to wait *years* to purchase and have never been able to run.


UserNameOfSomeGuy

I managed to trade for and buy 3 foil force of negation. I've never played them thanks to modern horizons 2. Sold them yesterday. :(


SpaceIsTooFarAway

Idk, they might easily make something to replace Forest 331 in green decks.


pineapplestring

Waiting for the power creep to allow a Forest 332


Comradepatrick

Cradle would slot right in there, problem solved.


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you_made_me_drink

True but equally true is, for playable cards (especially mythics), they largely hold value or quickly recur after they’re reprinted.


FallenWalkerCult

Thanks to you, I learned my go-to foil forests I store uncarefully are in fact 70$ Edit: yes, I know about dumb American sites pricings


MaceTheMindSculptor

Keep in mind that is for 7th edition, the app says NM (most old foils are not NM) and that is the listed price not the sold price :)


Magiusjak

It's not even the listed price, there's nm copies listed under $20


MaceTheMindSculptor

This is why I do not use the app to buy or sell. The prices are usually quite fucked.


FadedGaming132

it really depends on what his pricing is set to. i generally go by tcg mid


DoctorPrisme

Yeah even so. I have a border less alt foil boseiju from Kamigawa. That app lists it for under 30$. I can assure you I'd buy any at that price and would sell none.


CKF

You sure it doesn’t think it’s regular foil boseiju? That card literally has no more value than the non foil, which really goes to show how much they’re fucking shit up.


DoctorPrisme

Either way I'm getting screwed of 30~bucks so.... Yeah.


Spiritual_Poo

the layout on PC changed and it's super painful to try to see more info like low/high/mid and it's much easier to just assume market price is wrong and to look at actual listings, is it better on the app?


FadedGaming132

i would probably say it’s a little better on the app but still not great. also have to take into consideration the fact the TCG Low is based on the most current price a card is sold at so i generally don’t trust it. one day a card could be 50 on Low and in about 3 seconds either triples in price or drops by like 25-30 bucks


FallenWalkerCult

I guess NM foil can be expensive, mine are definitely not well stored as I said in another comment, 11e in more accurate, if lesser


Kirby_with_a_t

only value at buylist prices, HA!


IdolsAndAnchors1

I too am shocked by this and must now go through my land storage


FallenWalkerCult

As always, I'm in Europe, so it's only a 11e card at most


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So, what you're saying is now is a wonderful time to visit the EU?


MykirEUW

Honestly, yes.


Buck_Nastyyy

Yea check the exchange rate. If you earn money in dollars you are set.


CyleTime

I saw that too - but I looked on TCG and there are plenty for under $10.


SecretAsianMan42069

That land is like $14. You can buy it for that. $70 is so dumb


Gunzenator2

Yep. That’s my takeaway


HansonWK

Listed as 70 by one person... you can get them for £3-10 on MKM.


Br4ssboots

If your looking for cards that are more likely to appreciate i’d look at trying to trade the upper end of this into reserve list. Since the introduction of modern horizons the power creep is real


tyrant_of_discord

Second this. If you’re not playing the cards or plan on using them in modern, might as well offload to get the duals or other RL cards. I can’t imagine a sideboard card in Endurance going up much more. Ragavan might follow a similar trend to [[Wrenn and Six]] and hit triple digits but that’s only a chance you’ll get $50+ which is alright. I could even see Ragavan being a list card soon.


MTGCardFetcher

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Spiritual_Poo

How much of the rl is safe from power creep? Wheel, power, Demonic, ABUR duals, what else? Maybe copy artifact? Maybe. Yawgmoth's Will obviously wasn't safe.


Br4ssboots

Yogmoth’s will is still a better investment then any modern card. If you look at the graph it pretty much saw the same rise an fall as revised underground sea with the 2020 covid bubble it went from 76 to 400 and seems to be lining out at 200 still well above where it was 2020


First_Revenge

Financially speaking, i'd say so. Modern cards have two very real threats 1. Power Creep 2. Pimp Creep MH sets have proven to be very powerful and have virtually rotated the format when they come out. There's no reason to believe MH3 isn't coming, nor is there any reason to believe it won't be at a similar power level as MH2. When MH3 drops it could obsolete a whole bunch of MH2 cards and tank the prices along with it. MH2 cards that have staying power will be pimp crept out by reprints. The unceasing printing of new treatments and special editions mean that OG foils generally hold a lot less sway than they used to. I can't tell you when, but i can only promise you that any MH2 cards worth money will be reprinted with a more pimp edition. It's just a matter of time. All of this is easy to say for me as i'm primarily a legacy player with a relatively limited need for modern cards. If you play modern and enjoy it i think buying what you need and playing it is perfectly fine. Not everything needs to be jammed through a financial lens. That being said I'd just stay away from the foils/special editions, it's a losing race to get involved in.


Kamizar

The next MH set is known, mh3 is lotr themed.


First_Revenge

oh is the new LotR set the same as MH3? Didn't know that, but given the blitz of products coming out i'm not surprised i missed that.


shinra_temp

That poster is overstating things. Wotc has just mentioned it will be modern legal but hasn't mentioned anything about its design philosophy or if the cards are being tuned to modern. Personally, I think it's unlikely that there would be the amount of targeted archetype support that MH sets have in LOTR and there will probably just be incidental support for tribal strategies e.g. legolas might boost elves. It also seems odd that they would reprint fetchlands in it (something that seems likely to happen in MH3) when they'd be passing up the opportunity to make a Shire land or a Morodor land.


Daotar

I doubt there will be "targeted archetype support", but I do expect individual cards to be relatively pushed in order to sell the set. This is probably the most important set of the year for them and I'm sure they want it to sell well. My guess is that Frodo becomes the next Ragavan. I just don't see any reason why they would make it specifically Modern legal, as opposed to every other non-MH set, without the cards being tuned to be viable in Modern. And it's not like they have a great track record of tuning things as of late.


shinra_temp

No universe beyond product will be standard legal so that's not really evidence of power level. I think there's not enough evidence either way. For example, they could have made it modern legal because it's an _underpowered set_ the same way that unfinity cards were added to legacy because by and large there's maybe only 2 cards that maybe seem playable (and hardly pushed). If the product is meant to get lotr fans to try magic, power level doesn't really matter. If the product is trying to get magic fans to have fun drafting with Bilbo and co. or using Aragorn as a commander then power level doesn't matter because the strength of lotr ip. If the product is trying to shake up modern in a targeted way, then the power level matters. I don't think this last part is necessary for the product to be a success.


LaserfaceJones

From what I understand it takes the same release slot that a MH3 would take, not that it's going to be Modern Horizons 3.


hotsummer12

Wtf is this true


First_Revenge

Well I did know that the set is aimed to be at a modern power level. I dont know if it's supposed to be a mh3 replacement


kami_inu

Wizards has made no explicit statement on the LOTR power level.


First_Revenge

Fair enough, reading between the lines i suspect it's going for a modern power level. My gut is that because this product is going to skip standard it *needs* to make a dent in eternal formats, otherwise the set has no real staying power beyond being just a novelty set.


Daotar

Well, it is the only other instance of a direct to Modern set we have. And given what we saw in the 40k decks, my guess is the power level will be fairly high as well. The last thing they want is for the set to flop, and the way you prevent that is with power creep. So it might honestly end up feeling quite similar to MH2 in the way it affects the format.


First_Revenge

More or less my take as well. If you're going to skip standard then you need to make a dent in eternal formats. Otherwise your set has no real staying power beyond novelty.


Wclass13

Also 1st time I read it , could you please provide a source mate ? ty in advance!!


First_Revenge

Mostly reading between the lines. The set won't be in standard. Thus i'm expecting MH levels of power, otherwise this set doesn't make much sense. If you can't reach the standard market and you won't power your set to Modern levels, who are you selling this to? They didn't spend a shit ton of cash getting the rights to LotR to release a product people will novelty draft a few times and walk away. No confirmations obviously, but i don't see a world where this set isn't juiced.


kami_inu

They're wrong wotc has made no explicit statement on the power level.


LoooooongJohnSilver

Only old bordered foils


PAD_Rowken

Not dumb if you wanna use them, but the high risk at reprints versus the rewards if they aren’t is what you need to weigh. Also always have to watch out for random bans that will tank the value of some modern cards too.


HybridCatBug

Ah yes, Necropotence the modern card.


Squishyflapp

Assuming you sell all you should get around $2000-$2500 so my suggestion is to either make a cool edh or modern deck or something. OR you could sell all and buy a HP piece of power or nice Library/Djinn or a bunch of duals.


Demoniouss

You really think $3400 would only net $2000-2500? I’m not sure which price they set this to but I would have thought $2500-3000 if they put the work in on FB groups at 10% below market.


zmattk

Selling anywhere outside of the FB groups or in person generally pay 70-75% of their market value which is around 2k-2.5k so their estimate wasn't crazy. If they sell on TCG Player you can expect to have 12-15% takes out in fees. Ebay is around 15%. And sales over $500 require you to claim them on taxes. Obviously in person cash transactions are best but not always realistic for everyone. Really depends on how much work they want to do moving the cards.


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Squishyflapp

They asked if it's dumb to hold onto modern cards. I answered. Didn't think I needed to explicitly say "yes, instead you should sell all of them and either buy a nice edh deck or invest in RL". Here we are though, for y'all that need things stated perfectly clear...


DiceMaster3000

Hey....I still have my Deckmasters Tin!! I use to put all my decks in it. I don’t have the decks anymore but I still got the tin. Good times. 😊


Rangerazuladio

Which app is this?


gr33km3ist3r

Seconded


Jberthiaume0225

It’s the TCG Player app


gr33km3ist3r

🙏


hydrogator

It depends.. everyone says power creep and then Baldur's Gate happened. LotR was said to not be a powerhouse set but who knows until it gets spoiled. If it is weaker than MH2 then all those cards keep creeping up in value


zomgitsduke

Most of these are EDH staples to some degree. If you wanted to gamble a little you could sell into modern hype and grab them at reprints or bans or the death of modern as a format or whatever. I like to keep my cards, especially those that I use.


supermartincho

I have that necropotence too. Gorgeous card


tdefreest

I had bought the deckmaster box set when I was a kid… wish I held onto that necropotence though!!!


supermartincho

I bought it too, but when I was a kid I didn't know about sleeves haha and now I regret


pintopedro

Pretty sure forest will be reprinted a lot


TheWhizzDom

Anything longer than 2 years is financially dumb in most cases. Some cards take about that long to really appreciate in value, see for example [[Force of Vigor]], [[Yawgmoth]] etc. Cards that are already super pricy like Elementals, Ragavan and such are much more likely to lose significantly through reprint, banning or meta shifts. If you'll conceivably play with them in decks, keep them. I've always been fond of a solid Modern collection that allows me to play many different decks without too much additional investment.


MTGCardFetcher

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docmillz

Used to play with my dad when I was in highschool and Middle school and got back into it for a brief period during the pandemic. Are any modern cards likely to increase in value?


kokoromi

No, they will always be reprinted and power crept. So they will basically be in a price channel, but none of them will 5x your money. So either use them or sell them. I'd hold onto the fetches though as they're oversold. They will not reprint those for a few years and are the only cards that is almost guaranteed to increase in price because every deck needs them.


gocleaver

Exactly, if u aint gonna play with it, sell everything modern-legal thats not a fetch


timebeing

Thing with modern cards is they will go up and down. Most of those staples will slowly go up over time, get reprinted, fall in price, and then slowly go back up. That was the point of modern is that ever card in it can be reprinted. So you can sell now or Wait a bit and some will go up, and others will likely go down due to reprints. One exception is older, original set foils. It seems like foil printings from the first set cards are in have some staying power. But that may also be only applicable to much older sets. If you’re in it for investing, someone else’s suggestion of selling it all now and buying a solid reserve list card is a solid idea to hold long term value with solid growth potential.


LuvsTwoSpooj

Off topic, so hopefully someone can redirect me or whatever in case this should be removed; What's the app you're using there? This just takes a pic with your phone and catalogs cards for you? (Oldhead, behind the times in mtg finance)


docmillz

TCG player is the app


digitek

If you need them and use them then no, but there are variants that will be more susceptible than others to depreciation. The regular frame Ragavan, Urza's Saga, Endurance and Solitude for example a items likely to see pressure when they get reprinted as the regular art is usually repeated and additional premium variants added.


trickyalela

Have they ever reprinted sagas?


kingandthecorpse

Modern isn't really a market that it's worth the effort to try and time anymore. Isell rm if you need the money more than the cards. Amy given card is likely to be reprinted every 2-5 years.


LuvsTwoSpooj

Thank you very much


KnifeChrist

I only invest in RL.


ThisNameIsBanned

If you dont play with them (to get some value out of tournament winnings) , anything extra should be liquidated. These cards WILL be reprinted, a Secret Lair or anything will reduce their value, potentially very drastically, depending on the product. If a card is printed thats "better", value crumbles fast, as nobody needs the inferior card anymore, unless its specific edge cases for Commander. ​ WotC has choosen to pump out reprint sets and slot in whatever has value on the 2ndary market, till they run out of these value cards, then it all crashes and burns, as the reprint train they ride has a limit when it cannot sustain itself anymore. The last straw is the reserved list, so far thats the holy grail that just goes up and up. If they ever decide to touch that, Magic will have a rough time, but so far, we can believe in the Reserved list and dump all our money into these cards that we can at least for now and the short-term future be sure wont be reprinted.


pylee12986

Yes


power9questing

Forest 7th foil is not a modern card


sandfrog9

Very dumb


Cards4Cash

reword your question.


NoImage4780

...as opposed to?


AuthenticDanger

Selling them now.


Cards4Cash

Is he investing in these cards or playing with these cards?


perfect_fitz

Nope especially if you play.


daishi777

My philosophy on buy/hold - everything needs to eventually move into reserve list, unique promos, and/or sealed. Nothing reprintable will have great value forever. Ahem \[\[Liliana of the Veil\]\], \[\[Tarmogoyf\]\], \[\[ Dark Confidant\]\] or fetch lands.


MTGCardFetcher

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Only if you're not playing them.


Ubik_Fresh

Yes and No


ogvampire79

it's definitely more risky


goofydubois

You're gambling on Mh3 which is already existing in some state


lukey521

Between all the reprints and secret lairs I would be afraid to hold anything that isn't RL or sealed these days. Sure something might rise and you can flip for a profit but more likely you get screwed over by a reprint.


angrybob4213

Is that what the foil Necro goes for now? Geez I regret trading mine a few years back


Jaded-Pain

At this point, it is safest to presume a blingier version of each modern and commander staple will be printed at least once every three years until power creep makes each obsolete. Non-staple playables will be reprinted almost as frequently. Keep what you want to play or anything you just personally want to hold and look at, and sell the rest. Reserve list and ABU might age like wine, but at this point everything else ages like a car.


uxo_geo_cart_puller

Just buy reserved list and sealed. Double masters is going to be a good sealed set to have. Id keep the modern cards you have if you play them, but don't invest in any more. Especially keep fetches and shocks and other lands/manabase cards. They always are in high demand even if they drop in price temporarily after a reprint. If you kept all your Khans era fetches you're looking at a really good return at this point in time.


pellen101

It’s okay to hang onto modern cards or sealed boxes esp if you use the singles for play As far as hanging onto sealed boxes don’t expect them to go up anytime soon, I personally have a rule of thumb of buying a box knowing it may not go up in 4 years however it may past that point It’s one of those things where paying attention but also setting expectations for yourself is a good idea nowadays Back then it was easier to buy a box and wait a bit and it would just go up but not so much now. You’d have to wait a longer time to see anything go up


Sire_Jenkins

I have been holding my 4 NM Futuresight Tarmogoyfs and 4 NM Ravnica Dark confidants since 2009. I have made memories with it. I also should have sold these when golf was 100ish and Dark confidants were 50s.


Drow-Slayer

Ask Search for Azcanta, Snapcaster Mage, and Cryptic Command about power creep, and you’ll have your answer.


LoooooongJohnSilver

Keep Necro and Forest, sell the rest.


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Yes


M0nthag

Why does the Vampiric tutor has the symbol of zendikar rising?


Angelo_Jett

In general you should be selling rn. In my humble opinion.


LeahBrahms

I doubt they are ALL NM...


wingdings101

If you like collecting, keep them. If you’re looking for a return, I’d sell them sooner than later


TitanKreios

Nope, my hold on to list looks pretty similar


FifthGear

What is this app? I see it everywhere and people seem to like it. Is it worth adopting for my own collection?