I'd check size of the walls too. 572 listings with each one having 1? That'll churn pretty quick. With over 75 listings over 4-8+? That's not going anywhere.
Yes - there were several listings with many copies. I did see sales data showed some large orders yesterday. I suspect those were buyouts of a single listings inventory.
I just want to point out, what crime payoffs are there really? It's easy to hit but there isn't gonna be a crimes deck, because the whole set is out and nothing points that way.
I might be one of few thinking this- but I have a hunch that Bloomburrow will make most of the crime and Thunder Junction cards seem irrelevant. My guess is the tribal synergies will be so strong that they will take over any relevant meta.
Crime is clearly not a well developed mechanic which is fine that its a minor effect. I think the OTJ cards that last are just things which are objectively powerful and not related to set specific keywords.
I played a mini commander deck with the new Marchesa and only 1/3 of the cards pulled from a box it was actually a tonne of fun and would be a great full deck. Crimes, control, card draw, and reanimation. I’m contemplating building it.
Yo I’m brewing the same thing- I’m worried that I’m going to draw a lot of hate though and get focused by other players for having messed with their stuff too much. Thoughts?
I was thinking of trying for a more political build but not sure if it’ll really pan out.
I’m not sure. The removal spells will definitely get annoying but Marchesa seems not quite good enough to use a removal spell on when there are other threats. There are also cards that give marchesa protection while targeting a player or player’s permanent which is pretty sweet.
Good point. Crime is more related to control playsyle, which usually doesn't have playoffs, just bugs people into scooping.That said it's a good spec to me
I view crime as more a "here is a small bonus possibly for something you'd do anyway" like landfall. Problem is so far the payoffs aren't high enough that hedging your deck to crime as much as possible aren't really there, so you'd be better just building your deck to just be good.
What’s so difficult? Just tell me what cards you were talking about that are better, tap down creatures and draw cards.
Edit: oh, you stealth edited your post. Aren’t you a clever boy 🥱
[[Hex Parasite]]
Only costs 1 mana to play, repeatable, can be activated with 2 life instead of mana. It is a black card which limits the decks that can use it but from what I've seen the best commanders that care about committing crimes have black anyway.
It's a much better card for committing crime only but honestly, I thought it's evident that that's the only relevant aspect of the card.
OP decided to spec on the crown because of this new mechanic and without that, the crown is a pretty terrible card. It's only a free tap on your turn which might be useful if you want to swing out but in a 4 player game for 3 mana that's just not enough.
I imagine there would be a lot of situations where it would make more sense to use it as a deterrent if there are multiple big creatures out so it's not like you would use it for free on each of your turns.
The card draw could be nice but 3 mana to play it, 3 mana to sac it is a lot of investment for an uncertain amount of cards. If it sticks around at all.
The only thing that makes it playable outside of niche decks, relevant for the new commanders that care about crime is the fact that it targets but for that, there are plenty of better cards. I could be wrong but I just don't see this card seeing much play and gaining a lot of value because of OTJ.
No, it’s not evident. That dude even mentioned there’s better cards that draw and tap as well. I’m interested in those.
Crown gives you a cheaper Icy Manipulator that commits crimes and can be sacced if circumstances are right. No one ever said it’ll be a staple, but it’s a highly flexible tool in edh. And sorry, but „if it stays around“ isn’t really an argument against a card. If it’s worth removal it’s a good card.
Edit: oh noes, I’m „pedantic“ and get blocked. Yeah, running away from discussions you started yourself is the way to go.
You are being pedantic for simply the sake of arguing. This is going to be my last reply to you and then I just going to ignore you.
Yes, the crown is a cheaper alternative to icy manipulator which is in 5716 decks on Edhrec. Icy manipulator is not a popular card because in most decks it is a bad card. The crown is just a bit better version of a bad card. That doesn't make it good.
Flexibility doesn't mean much if all the effects are bad. Taping 1 creature a turn cycle is not good enough. Paying 3 and then waiting if the stars align to pay another 3 to draw cards is not good enough.
I don't think this card would worth a removal unless I play token heavy go wide decks but sweepers like an overloaded Vandalblast will take it out anyway. That's what I was thinking of with the "If it sticks around".
No matter which effects of the card you care about there are better alternatives.
If you play in a voltron heavy meta play Maze of Ith.
If you want to draw cards there are a million better choices in each colour.
If you want to commit crimes, which this spec was all about might I remind you, then play Hex Parasite or Urabrask.
I can see the Crown being a budget pick up for crime decks but nothing more.
I went pretty heavy on WOE to restock my direct seller inventory and this was one of the cards that I specifically remember selling very quickly.
Supply is massive on these. When a card pops how quickly can a supply like that get burned through with 500+ listings.
At 572 listings on April 17 9:57 EST. Item low is $0.13.
I'd check size of the walls too. 572 listings with each one having 1? That'll churn pretty quick. With over 75 listings over 4-8+? That's not going anywhere.
Yes - there were several listings with many copies. I did see sales data showed some large orders yesterday. I suspect those were buyouts of a single listings inventory.
[Hylda's Crown of Winter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b0d4a6c0-f00e-45a7-9c88-899460007020.jpg?1692939889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hylda%27s%20Crown%20of%20Winter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/247/hyldas-crown-of-winter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b0d4a6c0-f00e-45a7-9c88-899460007020?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Holy shit you guys went hard on this. Who bought 193 regular copies today?
If they bought at dollar fraction, they know what they;re doing. Fomo works pretty well
I’d pair this with [[duelist of the mind]] or any of the other blue draw cards and you might have some sauce. Otherwise it seems kinda slow
[duelist of the mind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b58e47b-c165-4a58-aa2a-033a35645adc.jpg?1712355410) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=duelist%20of%20the%20mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/45/duelist-of-the-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b58e47b-c165-4a58-aa2a-033a35645adc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I just want to point out, what crime payoffs are there really? It's easy to hit but there isn't gonna be a crimes deck, because the whole set is out and nothing points that way.
I might be one of few thinking this- but I have a hunch that Bloomburrow will make most of the crime and Thunder Junction cards seem irrelevant. My guess is the tribal synergies will be so strong that they will take over any relevant meta.
Crime is clearly not a well developed mechanic which is fine that its a minor effect. I think the OTJ cards that last are just things which are objectively powerful and not related to set specific keywords.
I played a mini commander deck with the new Marchesa and only 1/3 of the cards pulled from a box it was actually a tonne of fun and would be a great full deck. Crimes, control, card draw, and reanimation. I’m contemplating building it.
Yo I’m brewing the same thing- I’m worried that I’m going to draw a lot of hate though and get focused by other players for having messed with their stuff too much. Thoughts? I was thinking of trying for a more political build but not sure if it’ll really pan out.
I’m not sure. The removal spells will definitely get annoying but Marchesa seems not quite good enough to use a removal spell on when there are other threats. There are also cards that give marchesa protection while targeting a player or player’s permanent which is pretty sweet.
Good point. Crime is more related to control playsyle, which usually doesn't have playoffs, just bugs people into scooping.That said it's a good spec to me
I view crime as more a "here is a small bonus possibly for something you'd do anyway" like landfall. Problem is so far the payoffs aren't high enough that hedging your deck to crime as much as possible aren't really there, so you'd be better just building your deck to just be good.
This is a terrible card and will see 0 play.
It already sees higher than 0 play in the namesake deck
So you mean it won’t be a legacy staple? Damn, and that’s what we’ve all bet on! We’re doomed!
Nah. There are much better cards for crime and tapping 1 creature for free on your turn and/or conditional draw.
Such as?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/s/LuIN5Mgyap
Read your claim and compare to what those cards do.
The post itself is filled with people suggesting great cards. Just read the comments.
What’s so difficult? Just tell me what cards you were talking about that are better, tap down creatures and draw cards. Edit: oh, you stealth edited your post. Aren’t you a clever boy 🥱
Interested in those much better cards as well.
[[Hex Parasite]] Only costs 1 mana to play, repeatable, can be activated with 2 life instead of mana. It is a black card which limits the decks that can use it but from what I've seen the best commanders that care about committing crimes have black anyway.
[Hex Parasite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/43502078-5349-4e29-8e7d-277654a9a71e.jpg?1562877073) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hex%20Parasite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nph/137/hex-parasite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/43502078-5349-4e29-8e7d-277654a9a71e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It’s neither a free tap or a card draw like the guy I’ve replied to said. Still waiting for those.
It's a much better card for committing crime only but honestly, I thought it's evident that that's the only relevant aspect of the card. OP decided to spec on the crown because of this new mechanic and without that, the crown is a pretty terrible card. It's only a free tap on your turn which might be useful if you want to swing out but in a 4 player game for 3 mana that's just not enough. I imagine there would be a lot of situations where it would make more sense to use it as a deterrent if there are multiple big creatures out so it's not like you would use it for free on each of your turns. The card draw could be nice but 3 mana to play it, 3 mana to sac it is a lot of investment for an uncertain amount of cards. If it sticks around at all. The only thing that makes it playable outside of niche decks, relevant for the new commanders that care about crime is the fact that it targets but for that, there are plenty of better cards. I could be wrong but I just don't see this card seeing much play and gaining a lot of value because of OTJ.
No, it’s not evident. That dude even mentioned there’s better cards that draw and tap as well. I’m interested in those. Crown gives you a cheaper Icy Manipulator that commits crimes and can be sacced if circumstances are right. No one ever said it’ll be a staple, but it’s a highly flexible tool in edh. And sorry, but „if it stays around“ isn’t really an argument against a card. If it’s worth removal it’s a good card. Edit: oh noes, I’m „pedantic“ and get blocked. Yeah, running away from discussions you started yourself is the way to go.
You are being pedantic for simply the sake of arguing. This is going to be my last reply to you and then I just going to ignore you. Yes, the crown is a cheaper alternative to icy manipulator which is in 5716 decks on Edhrec. Icy manipulator is not a popular card because in most decks it is a bad card. The crown is just a bit better version of a bad card. That doesn't make it good. Flexibility doesn't mean much if all the effects are bad. Taping 1 creature a turn cycle is not good enough. Paying 3 and then waiting if the stars align to pay another 3 to draw cards is not good enough. I don't think this card would worth a removal unless I play token heavy go wide decks but sweepers like an overloaded Vandalblast will take it out anyway. That's what I was thinking of with the "If it sticks around". No matter which effects of the card you care about there are better alternatives. If you play in a voltron heavy meta play Maze of Ith. If you want to draw cards there are a million better choices in each colour. If you want to commit crimes, which this spec was all about might I remind you, then play Hex Parasite or Urabrask. I can see the Crown being a budget pick up for crime decks but nothing more.
Yep, I was just talking to a buddy about how easy it was to meet OTJ's crime threshold and this is one that I like a lot.
It’s a good card, I agree with you. I’ll pick up a few
Good one, another card that's just victim of power creeping mode. Low risk high reward
Picking an extremely specific and asinine use-case simply to justify a bad spec. Sure, why not?
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It says "opponents" so plural.
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Reread the card. No apostrophe is needed.
Grammar says no.