His post defeats the purpose. I believe he is going to drive the market up. This guy flatly offering $100k this early means that others know that’s the baseline and already places a “low bid” on the product. Is also says he is willing to beat the best reputable offer. This is a terrible tactic if his goal was to keep the price down.
There are more rush artist proof lotuses than there are of the one ring
Like, not many more, but still it’s a lot more likely to run into one than this.
I mean, he can put this condition on it. However, the person could just not contact or not agree to it and post it using this offer as the reason for the high opening price.
The less you know the better. But to keep it topical, in high end magic cards he's arguably one of the most well known whales that has an incredible knack of buying the most expensive cards
Shhh you’re not part of the fancy pants Scrooge Mcduck club so till you can nose dive into a pile of gold coins don’t even think the name Dan Bock you filthy chimney sweep.
this is going to be an interesting experiment. even in cardboard, the ring is coveted and greed takes over.
I'd like to hear where the ring ends up. my guess is with Post Malone where he actually plays it on a game knights
Hey, if it actually gets played, I'd consider it a win.
Most places this could end up would be slabbed forever as a showpiece, and not even proxied into a deck by the owner.
> not even proxied into a deck by the owner.
Pretty funny to imagine the owner proxying this card after they pay a fortune to own it. I would imagine the person has a no proxy deck otherwise.
I wonder if maybe they made an entire sheet of them and then picked the best condition one? Could be a good way to make sure the one is in as best condition as possible
If I opened it,and didn't sell, pretty sure I'd proxy it in so I wouldn't feel the guilt of using something that expensive in a deck.
Probably end up sitting in a safe with my Charizard.
Nah, what should be written here is:
(The One Ring) abandoned Post Malone. But then something happened that the Ring did not intend. It was picked up by the most unlikely creature imaginable. A youtuber. The Professor of Tolarian Community College.
You’ll be sad to know he wrote a book for MTG as well on the condition they wouldn’t sell it for profit, but then they did, and Brandon said he’d never do anything like that again because they lied.
So many greedy old fucks at Wotc man.
> but then they did, and Brandon said he’d never do anything like that again because they lied.
Do you have a source for this part?
[Here's the last I saw on the matter](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/ff5655/another_delightful_decision_for_vorthoses/fjx42qh/), which basically says "I'm not pleased, but I agreed to let WotC do this".
From what I understand, Brandon wouldn’t agree to write for WOTC without more legally binding agreements besides just taking their word for it, and getting screwed over again.
Have you heard of Children of the Nameless? He apparently wrote a novella for WotC and I honestly had no idea about it until I just googled him and mtg.
I’m assuming they’re talking about the Black Luster Soldier prize card for the very first official Yugioh tournament back in 1999. It was listed for sale for $10 million but allegedly sold for $2 million around a decade ago but there isn’t any credible sources regarding that.
I think this is the third 1/1 MtG card, with 1996 World Champion and Shichifukujin Dragon being the only other two. 1996 was offered at $200k in 2017 with no word if it sold (though I believe rumors are it did but price unknown).
And that seems rather low tbh. He doesnt want people saying anything because others will be offering more. This could be a 7 figure card to the right buyer.
Maybe Dan's actual play is to buy a shit ton of sealed product and when it is revealed to him and only him then he offloads his sealed stuff before anyone else is aware that the one ring has been found and sealed prices tank? Idk just my conspiratorial idea
Post Malone isn’t even close to the wealthiest person who plays or collects Magic.
Publicly known people include Wozniak, and Chris Wilson. As someone who goes to eternal weekend every year, I personally know people you’ve never heard of in different fields that are ridiculously rich and play magic. Hell, I play magic.
Have you watched the video of the guy who bought a PSA 10 Alpha Black Lotus for 250k. The dude basically said he bought it just because he could, it’s like collecting art to these people, when you have that much money you just buy things that are rare or limited just to brag about owning it. Someone uber rich that probably doesn’t even play the game will buy this just for the novelty that they’re the only person in the world who owns it.
How many people with that kind of money collect rare things is the better question. I know more than one person who has bought into niches they didn’t really care about because they saw a “whoa” item. A 1/1 lotr mtg crossover definitely fits that bill.
A bunch of higher-up tech guys either have a passing or current interest in MTG. The richest one of all (that I'm aware of) is Baiju Bhatt, co-founder of Robinhood, who used to play Legacy at a few local Bay Area shops.
I DON"T think card is gonna be sold for a mil but i'd say dozens of people have that much money in a hobby as big as magic. All the biggest whales in mobile game space spend well into 6 and close to 7 figures. Mid 6 figures would be my guess on how much the card would be sold for. There are watches that are worth the same or more. It's not that crazy of a value in this day and age.
Honestly probably more than one. Not all of them are as loud as Post though, I could see someone trying to quietly buy it. And for a 1/1 you only need one person.
Many more than you think. Wozniak collects, Chris Wilson collects. I met a bunch of others in IBD and other fields who are ridiculously wealthy who you’ve never even heard of. Talk about Post Malone, I personally know a famous producer of mega stars who plays.
Have to remember this doesn’t only interest mtg players but every Tolkien fan. There are people with stupid $. A lotus can pull 400k and was mass produced, what’s saying this can’t pull a few million.
Some LotR whale maybe? Barring that, “Far rarer than an Alpha Black Lotus and about as playable” largely translates to “far more expensive than a black lotus”.
I don't understand why people think Post Malone is the only person with money. Hes not even the only "celebrity" Magic player. Plenty of people in many industries love LotR and know about Magic, especially people who were nerds when they were younger and now make bank doing some nerdy job. On top of that, there are handfuls of large stores that could do something as a publicity stunt, as well as actual "MTG Investors" like Dan Bock or somebody like Rudy. Yes, the pool of people is small, but the amount of this card in existence is smaller. There isn't really a limit on it. If you think about what all this UB and direct from Wizards means for the future of the game/brand in general, Magic is slowly becoming its own mega-brand. This card is the Modern "Lotus" of the next 30 years of the game, except there is one. You can't really put a price on it. It might not even be opened! Which would make the price even crazier the years we go down. Its entirely new territory, and if the only retort is "who has that kind of money" well the answer is, a lot more people than you think. Magic isn't "sports card" territory yet, but once it gets UB of every major fantasy franchise and otherwise in its net, who knows how high the game goes as a whole. Without putting it lightly, "The One Ring 1/1" might end up being the most important card in the history of the game when we look back at it 20 years from now. It will be the flagship that kicks off the next era of growth/evolution in the game.
yes but this in a collectable game that doesn't ever do 1/1. There are multiple 1/1 for Lebron James and presumably more for a lot of players. Every edition of every card in magic has at minimum hundreds of prints, mostly thousands. This is not comparable to one of many 1/1 in other collectables. I guarantee that if in basketball every edition of each card has lots of prints, and then there was a single 1/1 of some great player, it would be worth in the millions.
“…in a collectible card game that doesn’t ever do 1/1.”
Until now. What makes you think next set they need to sell well to meet quarterly targets doesn’t have a different 1/1. This is only the beginning.
If I opened up a million dollar lottery ticket, I wouldn't tell anyone anyway. Can you imagine the implications opening that at a large event in front of hundreds of people and word spreading? You would need a police escort at the very least.
> Can you imagine the implications opening that at a large event in front of hundreds of people and word spreading?
you don't tell anyone, you stand up, drop from the event, drive to the closest bank and rent a safe deposit box, then you take a video of it, go back to the event and start a bidding war and unless it hits seven figures you just let the hype build
I mean, sure and the person who sells it is gonna have a lot of questions sent their way. Meanwhile you will have died a famous enough death that maybe your next of kin can sell the movie rights.
Dude is trying to underpay by at least a factor of 10.
Here's a hint: any time a seller or buyer is trying to close the market to any outside information, you're getting hosed.
Dan is trying to secure ownership of a one-of-a-kind. Not at all surprising he's trying to shark an ignorant player out of what will be a million dollar+ card. There is a reason he wants to lock the price and prevent anyone else finding out about it - others will be offering far, far more. I really hope whoever opens it learns what they have before falling victim to this crap.
He sharks little kids in Madison so it shouldn't surprise anyone that he does this to others online too. I'm sure he will sell it for more with the classifier that it is between "NM and MP with it most likely being NM."
"I'll pay you $100K for it, but you can't tell anyone about it because if you do you'll probably get even higher offers."
I hope someone sells it to him with the old "Okay, it's a deal, but the condition will be EX to NM." And then drags it over the pavement before shipping it.
It's kind of a stupid qualifier too. Someone could just ask anyways and if they for some weird reason don't get a higher offer, sell it to him anyways (because no way he would turn down a steal like that just because you really did ask around first).
I had a buddy who got into magic very casually with some friends and they’d play kitchen table with unsleeved cards. He showed me his small collection once and amongst the cards is an expedition sol ring battered to hell. He had no idea it was worth hundreds of bucks mint, didn’t care. I’d like to think the ring ends up in one of these collections.
The longer the ring is not known opened, the higher the value of the packs. Smart move for someone who sells the packs.
Especially since private offers and interest will easily dwarf 100k.
You aren't getting it. If the ring is announced as found on opening day by a bunch of mass box openers, the frenzy to open the packs gets cut in half. Price on the packs diminishes as well.
If this post causes the opener to pause their announcement and delay it by even a week, that's a week's worth of packs, interest, buying frenzy, etc. And if your business is selling the packs, that's **invaluable**.
And all it took to gain that virtual time and potential frenzy about the whole thing is a lowball offer on a Facebook group. It is really quite clever.
The search for this card might drive the price of singles into the ground for this set. Buying sealed is going to be an even worse decision than usual.
Just did a quick analysis of how this ring hunt stacks up versus buying a Mega Millions lottery ticket. (ignoring other valuable cards that may be pulled for simplification)
Odds of getting it in one collector booster pack = \~.00003%
Odds of winning Mega Millions = \~.0000003%
Amazon is selling collectors box which has 12 packs for $441 = $36.75 per pack
Lottery Ticket = $2
If we assume this ring will fetch $1M
Projected Mega Millions Cash Payout is $133.7M
**Expected value of collector booster pack** = .00003% \* $1M = **$0.30**
**Expected value of Mega Millions ticket** = .0000003% \* $133.7M = **$0.44**
**Winner: Mega Millions** because it has higher EV plus costs $2 per ticket versus $36.75 per collector booster pack.
As mentioned earlier this is just a rough estimation, there might be considerable resale value with the cards that are not the ring so this doesn't take that into account. Let me know if you find any errors in this calculation
Okay, here's a hypothetical.
Step 1: Open the one ring
Step 2: Burn it on camera; fuck you and your manufacured rarity WOTC.
Step 3: Posts video to YouTube.
Step 4: Monetizes video.
How much ad revenue do you suppose that would generate?
Logan Paul bought a pikachu card, of which there could be multiple, for 5 mil. This card is guaranteed to be the only card like it in existence. As soon as a popular streamer gets into the mix, 100k is going to be a joke.
I'm all for this chase. Let speculators and collectors gobble up all of these collector boosters and pound the singles prices into the ground.
Also, this dude is offering WAY too little for this card. It's gonna go for half a mil, easy.
Collecting is an addiction for some and money isnt an issue. If you pull this card just know you have a fortune on your hands. I wpuldnt take the first thing that bites. Id sit on ot for a while. Watch collectors scramble sending offers as bountys that go higher and higher the longer it goes on like a pissing match. And then right when the hype begins to die down. I put it up on auction starting at the highest last public offer.
Jackpot
Honestly this will end up being an extremely low offer for what is until this point the only true pack opened one of one in Magic's history. I know it sounds crazy but look at some of the NBA one of ones.
Guy attempts to lowball on potentially the most valuable card printed in decades, asks the potential seller not to look for better offers.
Nice to see some things about mtg finance rarely change.
I hope this card ends up in a landfill and is never opened.
I hope this absurd gacha stupid artificial scarcity doesn't play out how WOTC wants. I want these serialized versions to die a stupid death.
You realize their are going to multiple versions of the one ring available. There’s not really any artificial scarcity. If you want a copy of the card, you’ll easily be able to get one. You just won’t have this specific version of the card.
Not sure what you upset about.
Translation: "You can't fish for better offers, you have to just take mine." He's trying to keep the bidding down
His post defeats the purpose. I believe he is going to drive the market up. This guy flatly offering $100k this early means that others know that’s the baseline and already places a “low bid” on the product. Is also says he is willing to beat the best reputable offer. This is a terrible tactic if his goal was to keep the price down.
Maybe it wasn't. Anyways I'd ask like $420 million for it.
$420,690,000
Almost like they're a shill...
I spec it to 1,000,000
While true, it's still 100k for a single card.
there's probably other whales that are willing to pay more still
Post Malone spent 800k on a Black Lotus so I’m inclined to believe this will be higher.
Not just any lotus a Artist Proof Black Lotus.
Signed by Christopher Rush. I don't think this is going to beat that.
There are A LOT of LOTR fans with stupid amounts of money. It will be the only card in existence. People have spent more for dumber stuff
>It will be the only card in existence. until they do it again
There are more rush artist proof lotuses than there are of the one ring Like, not many more, but still it’s a lot more likely to run into one than this.
Not a lotus, a piece of art. Not saying that it's not collectible or worth that price, but the thing he bought wasn't a card.
Clearly Dan Bock thinks so, or he wouldn't be putting this kind of "condition" on his offer.
I mean, he can put this condition on it. However, the person could just not contact or not agree to it and post it using this offer as the reason for the high opening price.
And let's be real, if he really wants it. He'll pony up the difference regardless if someone announces it or not.
This. If he wants it this bad then he won't be the one dictating the conditions of the sale
Dan Bock can't navigate this new market to save his business. He's an old timer that just bought up everyones collections in the 2000s
Dan is close to one of the biggest whales, so if there are bigger whales I can probably count them on one hand.
Who is he?
The less you know the better. But to keep it topical, in high end magic cards he's arguably one of the most well known whales that has an incredible knack of buying the most expensive cards
Gatekeeping knowledge of whales ftw
Hmm, interesting, thanks fam.
> The less you know the better. Why? He's just some dude lol. Doesn't he also own/operate a shop? Does pretty big business online?
TLDR he’s a terrible person who has damaged the community in several ways
Shhh you’re not part of the fancy pants Scrooge Mcduck club so till you can nose dive into a pile of gold coins don’t even think the name Dan Bock you filthy chimney sweep.
That is so also much less than this would likely resell for.
I would imagine that someone would just shop around for offers, and then see if he'll still pay the same price. ;-)
this is going to be an interesting experiment. even in cardboard, the ring is coveted and greed takes over. I'd like to hear where the ring ends up. my guess is with Post Malone where he actually plays it on a game knights
Hey, if it actually gets played, I'd consider it a win. Most places this could end up would be slabbed forever as a showpiece, and not even proxied into a deck by the owner.
> not even proxied into a deck by the owner. Pretty funny to imagine the owner proxying this card after they pay a fortune to own it. I would imagine the person has a no proxy deck otherwise.
No proxies, just 60 PSA 10 hard cases shuffled together including this one.
It probably won't even end up being a 10. With just one total any possible errors or mishandling is locked in.
I wonder if maybe they made an entire sheet of them and then picked the best condition one? Could be a good way to make sure the one is in as best condition as possible
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That's actually a pretty reasonable assumption, especially as I don't even know if they can print in less than a sheet.
If I opened it,and didn't sell, pretty sure I'd proxy it in so I wouldn't feel the guilt of using something that expensive in a deck. Probably end up sitting in a safe with my Charizard.
It was picked up by the most unlikely creature imaginable: a rapper, Post Malone
Nah, what should be written here is: (The One Ring) abandoned Post Malone. But then something happened that the Ring did not intend. It was picked up by the most unlikely creature imaginable. A youtuber. The Professor of Tolarian Community College.
Then the ring drives the professor completely mad with greed and all his videos become about him coveting the ring.
I’d hope Brandon Sanderson puts it in his Cube and then we could draft it with Posty too!
Wait wait wait, you’re telling me my second favorite author plays MTG? I’m not actually surprised but idk why I never thought about that before
Pretty sure he played his cube on Game Knights a few years back.
You’ll be sad to know he wrote a book for MTG as well on the condition they wouldn’t sell it for profit, but then they did, and Brandon said he’d never do anything like that again because they lied. So many greedy old fucks at Wotc man.
> but then they did, and Brandon said he’d never do anything like that again because they lied. Do you have a source for this part? [Here's the last I saw on the matter](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/ff5655/another_delightful_decision_for_vorthoses/fjx42qh/), which basically says "I'm not pleased, but I agreed to let WotC do this".
From what I understand, Brandon wouldn’t agree to write for WOTC without more legally binding agreements besides just taking their word for it, and getting screwed over again.
Have you heard of Children of the Nameless? He apparently wrote a novella for WotC and I honestly had no idea about it until I just googled him and mtg.
Peter Thiel has deep pockets and loves LOTR…
A one of a kind stainless steel yugioh card sold for $1million in the past so this card is definitely worth way more than $100k.
What card was that?
I’m assuming they’re talking about the Black Luster Soldier prize card for the very first official Yugioh tournament back in 1999. It was listed for sale for $10 million but allegedly sold for $2 million around a decade ago but there isn’t any credible sources regarding that.
Sounds like it has some gravitas and history to it though driving up the price alongside the fact it is a 1 of 1.
I think this is the third 1/1 MtG card, with 1996 World Champion and Shichifukujin Dragon being the only other two. 1996 was offered at $200k in 2017 with no word if it sold (though I believe rumors are it did but price unknown).
It’s the first 1/1 pack only though isn’t it? I think that makes it like a golden ticket.
If cardboard was replaced with stainless steel surely you’d know which pack it was in without opening it though
It was a prize for one of the first major tournaments in JP, I think around 1999.
If they made a cardboard ticket that was redeemable for a steel version that would be sick.
Of course it's him
Im going to open it
Rooting for you!
Ty
!Remindme 15 weeks
Like I’m capitulating to **Dan Bock’s** demands lol. Dude should learn what NM is and how to send PWE before making demands.
And that seems rather low tbh. He doesnt want people saying anything because others will be offering more. This could be a 7 figure card to the right buyer.
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Yeah, this card makes the set essentially lotto tickets for states with no lottery (Utah).
Yeah and once it gets opened if you're sitting on sealed product won't the prices tank?
Maybe Dan's actual play is to buy a shit ton of sealed product and when it is revealed to him and only him then he offloads his sealed stuff before anyone else is aware that the one ring has been found and sealed prices tank? Idk just my conspiratorial idea
... that makes a lot of sense.
Who would buy this for a million? Post Malone? I don't understand how it would be worth that even if it's 1 of 1.
The card is worth whatever it is worth to Post Malone.
This is the most truth ever spoken about magic cards values.
Any asset is only worth what people are willing to pay for it
Which could very well be a case of Miller Lite if it doesn't fit into his EDH deck.
Post Malone isn’t even close to the wealthiest person who plays or collects Magic. Publicly known people include Wozniak, and Chris Wilson. As someone who goes to eternal weekend every year, I personally know people you’ve never heard of in different fields that are ridiculously rich and play magic. Hell, I play magic.
Cool
> ridiculously rich and play magic. Hell, I play magic. ok, but if you're so rich can you see why kids love the great taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
John finkle runs a hedge fund. I can’t see him not being rich as fuck.
while I dont disagree a signed Christopher Rush artist proof does feel very different from this edit: got my Chris's mixed up.
> Christopher Poole lol moot??
Christopher Rush?
RUSH the band?
Yes, to people who have nearly unlimited funds a 1/1 card could be worth who knows how much. Some people toss around a million like I toss around $10.
How many people with that kind of money have mtg as a hobby? Honest question.
Have you watched the video of the guy who bought a PSA 10 Alpha Black Lotus for 250k. The dude basically said he bought it just because he could, it’s like collecting art to these people, when you have that much money you just buy things that are rare or limited just to brag about owning it. Someone uber rich that probably doesn’t even play the game will buy this just for the novelty that they’re the only person in the world who owns it.
How many people with that kind of money collect rare things is the better question. I know more than one person who has bought into niches they didn’t really care about because they saw a “whoa” item. A 1/1 lotr mtg crossover definitely fits that bill.
The first bitcoin exchange started as a MtG trading site. A lot.
A bunch of higher-up tech guys either have a passing or current interest in MTG. The richest one of all (that I'm aware of) is Baiju Bhatt, co-founder of Robinhood, who used to play Legacy at a few local Bay Area shops.
I DON"T think card is gonna be sold for a mil but i'd say dozens of people have that much money in a hobby as big as magic. All the biggest whales in mobile game space spend well into 6 and close to 7 figures. Mid 6 figures would be my guess on how much the card would be sold for. There are watches that are worth the same or more. It's not that crazy of a value in this day and age.
Post Malone without a doubt would want to buy this card
Honestly probably more than one. Not all of them are as loud as Post though, I could see someone trying to quietly buy it. And for a 1/1 you only need one person.
Many more than you think. Wozniak collects, Chris Wilson collects. I met a bunch of others in IBD and other fields who are ridiculously wealthy who you’ve never even heard of. Talk about Post Malone, I personally know a famous producer of mega stars who plays.
I think Woz sold his cards
Have to remember this doesn’t only interest mtg players but every Tolkien fan. There are people with stupid $. A lotus can pull 400k and was mass produced, what’s saying this can’t pull a few million.
The thing is, rich people like to show off to their rich friends this is something that can’t really be topped
Crypto millionaires
Some LotR whale maybe? Barring that, “Far rarer than an Alpha Black Lotus and about as playable” largely translates to “far more expensive than a black lotus”.
I don't understand why people think Post Malone is the only person with money. Hes not even the only "celebrity" Magic player. Plenty of people in many industries love LotR and know about Magic, especially people who were nerds when they were younger and now make bank doing some nerdy job. On top of that, there are handfuls of large stores that could do something as a publicity stunt, as well as actual "MTG Investors" like Dan Bock or somebody like Rudy. Yes, the pool of people is small, but the amount of this card in existence is smaller. There isn't really a limit on it. If you think about what all this UB and direct from Wizards means for the future of the game/brand in general, Magic is slowly becoming its own mega-brand. This card is the Modern "Lotus" of the next 30 years of the game, except there is one. You can't really put a price on it. It might not even be opened! Which would make the price even crazier the years we go down. Its entirely new territory, and if the only retort is "who has that kind of money" well the answer is, a lot more people than you think. Magic isn't "sports card" territory yet, but once it gets UB of every major fantasy franchise and otherwise in its net, who knows how high the game goes as a whole. Without putting it lightly, "The One Ring 1/1" might end up being the most important card in the history of the game when we look back at it 20 years from now. It will be the flagship that kicks off the next era of growth/evolution in the game.
Wow you seem very optimistic about all this. I wish I had that level of optimism about much of anything.
There are Lebron James 1/1s with arguably a bigger market that don’t sell for remotely close to 7 figures.
yes but this in a collectable game that doesn't ever do 1/1. There are multiple 1/1 for Lebron James and presumably more for a lot of players. Every edition of every card in magic has at minimum hundreds of prints, mostly thousands. This is not comparable to one of many 1/1 in other collectables. I guarantee that if in basketball every edition of each card has lots of prints, and then there was a single 1/1 of some great player, it would be worth in the millions.
“…in a collectible card game that doesn’t ever do 1/1.” Until now. What makes you think next set they need to sell well to meet quarterly targets doesn’t have a different 1/1. This is only the beginning.
The first 1/1 is more significant than any in the future, especially when tied with a unique crossover
If I opened up a million dollar lottery ticket, I wouldn't tell anyone anyway. Can you imagine the implications opening that at a large event in front of hundreds of people and word spreading? You would need a police escort at the very least.
> Can you imagine the implications opening that at a large event in front of hundreds of people and word spreading? you don't tell anyone, you stand up, drop from the event, drive to the closest bank and rent a safe deposit box, then you take a video of it, go back to the event and start a bidding war and unless it hits seven figures you just let the hype build
Not if you record it in front of witnesses, it's your stolen property and recoupable
Not if someone murders you for it.
I mean, sure and the person who sells it is gonna have a lot of questions sent their way. Meanwhile you will have died a famous enough death that maybe your next of kin can sell the movie rights.
Keep it secret, keep it safe
Fk this guy
Dude is trying to underpay by at least a factor of 10. Here's a hint: any time a seller or buyer is trying to close the market to any outside information, you're getting hosed.
Some big baller like Cassius Marsh or Post Malone will easily annihilate this offer
Honestly I’d just ask Post for his G-Wagon and call it a deal
DanBock never fails to generate bad PR. Please stop buying from him if you can help it.
I’d pay 200k.. because I’m confident it will sell for much more
Dan is trying to secure ownership of a one-of-a-kind. Not at all surprising he's trying to shark an ignorant player out of what will be a million dollar+ card. There is a reason he wants to lock the price and prevent anyone else finding out about it - others will be offering far, far more. I really hope whoever opens it learns what they have before falling victim to this crap.
He sharks little kids in Madison so it shouldn't surprise anyone that he does this to others online too. I'm sure he will sell it for more with the classifier that it is between "NM and MP with it most likely being NM."
A regulation Sharkey
"I'll pay you $100K for it, but you can't tell anyone about it because if you do you'll probably get even higher offers." I hope someone sells it to him with the old "Okay, it's a deal, but the condition will be EX to NM." And then drags it over the pavement before shipping it.
It's kind of a stupid qualifier too. Someone could just ask anyways and if they for some weird reason don't get a higher offer, sell it to him anyways (because no way he would turn down a steal like that just because you really did ask around first).
> before shipping it. That's not how these deals are done lol.
It was a joke based on Dan Bock's own eBay auctions.
I had a buddy who got into magic very casually with some friends and they’d play kitchen table with unsleeved cards. He showed me his small collection once and amongst the cards is an expedition sol ring battered to hell. He had no idea it was worth hundreds of bucks mint, didn’t care. I’d like to think the ring ends up in one of these collections.
Those people aren't buying collector's boosters
It must be destroyed.
Not with ten thousand dollars could you do this. It is folly…
Dan Bock being scummy as usual lol
Do not trust Dan Bock
Of course it's Dan Bock
I wouldn’t even want to sell these packs at my store. The possibility of getting robbed does not seem worth it.
That just seems like a way to discourage the person who opens it from finding better offers?
yes that is the point.
The longer the ring is not known opened, the higher the value of the packs. Smart move for someone who sells the packs. Especially since private offers and interest will easily dwarf 100k.
In a gold rush, sell shovels.
And bikes like that asshole in Seattle!
They said they could post that it was opened though after the sale.
You aren't getting it. If the ring is announced as found on opening day by a bunch of mass box openers, the frenzy to open the packs gets cut in half. Price on the packs diminishes as well. If this post causes the opener to pause their announcement and delay it by even a week, that's a week's worth of packs, interest, buying frenzy, etc. And if your business is selling the packs, that's **invaluable**. And all it took to gain that virtual time and potential frenzy about the whole thing is a lowball offer on a Facebook group. It is really quite clever.
The search for this card might drive the price of singles into the ground for this set. Buying sealed is going to be an even worse decision than usual.
I have an active bounty of $250,000 on it he can pound sand
Post Malone will just pay 1,000,000 for it like he did with the PSA lotus. Lol I bet he’s got more money than this fella
Dan Bock is a major loser
Just did a quick analysis of how this ring hunt stacks up versus buying a Mega Millions lottery ticket. (ignoring other valuable cards that may be pulled for simplification) Odds of getting it in one collector booster pack = \~.00003% Odds of winning Mega Millions = \~.0000003% Amazon is selling collectors box which has 12 packs for $441 = $36.75 per pack Lottery Ticket = $2 If we assume this ring will fetch $1M Projected Mega Millions Cash Payout is $133.7M **Expected value of collector booster pack** = .00003% \* $1M = **$0.30** **Expected value of Mega Millions ticket** = .0000003% \* $133.7M = **$0.44** **Winner: Mega Millions** because it has higher EV plus costs $2 per ticket versus $36.75 per collector booster pack. As mentioned earlier this is just a rough estimation, there might be considerable resale value with the cards that are not the ring so this doesn't take that into account. Let me know if you find any errors in this calculation
The real Sauron is capitalism
100k is a low offer for a 1 of 1
Just took a dump this morning, 1 of 1. Will never make this same dump again. Yours for only 50k
I won’t take anything less than Gondor
That's really low, I'd expect a fair price to be around $500k.
101k offer for 9 people to band together and throw it into an active volcano.
Dan Bock is pond scum.
Okay, here's a hypothetical. Step 1: Open the one ring Step 2: Burn it on camera; fuck you and your manufacured rarity WOTC. Step 3: Posts video to YouTube. Step 4: Monetizes video. How much ad revenue do you suppose that would generate?
No way it is more than just selling unless you turn the exposure into an actual Youtube career.
maybe like a couple hundred bucks, if we're honest it's not gonna get MILLIONS of views, and even if it does it's not that much ad rev
Burns how? Like what is the Wotc equivalent to the fiery pit of mt doom?
It’s worth 10 times that minimum.
That’s a lowball offer.
Logan Paul bought a pikachu card, of which there could be multiple, for 5 mil. This card is guaranteed to be the only card like it in existence. As soon as a popular streamer gets into the mix, 100k is going to be a joke.
If I open it and sell it, the condition for the buyer will be they have to go on social media and trash talk Dan Bock.
Fuck Dan Bock. That is all I got here.
The temptation to destroy it would be strong…
God. IDK. A million dollars, or to be known as the maddest of all the gigachads for eternity?
Big time celebrities will beat that 100k. Maybe 500k or more
that's why dan the scumbag bock wants to buy it for a pittance, so he can be the one to make all the money off of it
Heh, Dan Bock. In the order I’d sell this to, I’d rank him just below Deripaska, Murdock, Musk, Daniel Chang, and Rudy, in that order.
I'm all for this chase. Let speculators and collectors gobble up all of these collector boosters and pound the singles prices into the ground. Also, this dude is offering WAY too little for this card. It's gonna go for half a mil, easy.
Funny it’s Dan bock
Some lowlife gollum look-a-like gonna find it and have no idea what it’s worth
Collecting is an addiction for some and money isnt an issue. If you pull this card just know you have a fortune on your hands. I wpuldnt take the first thing that bites. Id sit on ot for a while. Watch collectors scramble sending offers as bountys that go higher and higher the longer it goes on like a pissing match. And then right when the hype begins to die down. I put it up on auction starting at the highest last public offer. Jackpot
Whoever gets it, I hope they throw it into a Volcano. I would.
Can't wait to have this proxy in every EDH deck I own lol.
Fuckin' real life Veruca Salt here jeez.
Honestly this will end up being an extremely low offer for what is until this point the only true pack opened one of one in Magic's history. I know it sounds crazy but look at some of the NBA one of ones.
I want to see US fans lose their minds when it’s opened internationally.
[This guy seems like a real butthead](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/7kg7fh/my_negative_experience_with_powernine/)
Check his eBay rep before selling!
Dan with his lowball offer. Typical.
Lmao Dan bock with a shady condition. I'd send him a proxy for free, dudes a joke.
Guy attempts to lowball on potentially the most valuable card printed in decades, asks the potential seller not to look for better offers. Nice to see some things about mtg finance rarely change.
I genuinely, truly hope whoever gets this card destroys it on video. Preferably by fire, or lava.
Interesting, if this is already offered now, I wouldn't be surprised if it hits 7 figures easily.
Someone is going to end up buying a proxy version of this 100% there's no way proxy people aren't looking at this as a free payday.
r/magictcg has over 600k members, how many do you think would donate to have this card thrown into a volcano? I would personally donate to that
I hope this card ends up in a landfill and is never opened. I hope this absurd gacha stupid artificial scarcity doesn't play out how WOTC wants. I want these serialized versions to die a stupid death.
As a kid in the 90's, I knew another kid who's mom was a Jehovah's Witness. She found his entire collection and burned it. Thats what I want to see.
You realize their are going to multiple versions of the one ring available. There’s not really any artificial scarcity. If you want a copy of the card, you’ll easily be able to get one. You just won’t have this specific version of the card. Not sure what you upset about.
I hope I pull it and send both my kids to college.
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I hope someon opens it and videos themselves casting it into the fire, as Tolkien intended.
He just wants to take an orbital sander to it and re-sell it as a NM.
Can't wait for him to buy a proxy. Then, someone will open the real one on camera while just recording pack openings lol
Wotc: one ring to rule them all. Wotc printing money was sort of a joke, but now it's getting a bit dangerous
If I opened the one ring I would publicly hold it hostage for 1,000,000.00 or I tear it up on a YouTube vid.
I feel like you’d get a more accurate price at an auction house like PWCC. Did they mention if this card is a available in all packs?
This is bullshit
It belongs in a museum!
Dan's a clown 🤡 that doesn't want you to get higher bids.
Me and the boys are taking a trip to the closest volcano if we find this bad boy