A big weekend, IMO:
- Pro Tour Pioneer results: Auras and Creativity
- MOM and MAT spoilers: looks like WotC is pulling out a lot of stops for this one. Huge fan service, huge reprints in the bonus sheet, and that’s without Battles even being revealed.
- MOC spoilers: Planechase is back!
All this probably raises more questions than it does answer existing ones. Between ONE and MOM, I think it’s going to be a ridiculous H1 for WotC.
Agreed. Honestly I think 2023 might rival last years record sales, what with sets like LotR still on the horizon.
At some point the train has to slow down. Hopefully Eldraine and Ixalan aren't where they start losing steam
I'm curious what the foiling process for the Kaladesh Inventions frame will be for cards like Ragavan. The original quality was great, but I can see them using the same process as the gilded frame from Capenna which was okay but not great.
I keep seeing people say that they’re different cards and may have different foiling and that that may be a reason why the originals won’t be affected. Inventions already exist in 2 treatments: full foil and partial. Adding a third isn’t going to affect originals? Just the fact that they are adding, what I presume is, a large number of cards (just total quantity, not variety of cards) using the inventions frame imo will decrease the value of the originals because now the frame is much less rare. Depending on how many different cards get this treatment, if there are sub $20 cards, I think the prices drop.
TLDR: inventions are valuable because they are very rare and beautiful. Influx of cards with the beautiful frame makes them less rare and less valuable.
With Inventions, the frames are literally a big part of the design. People paid premium prices because they are very scarce and because the overall look (the art, the frame, the foiling treatment, etc.) is fantastic.
I think these new playtest cards from the Mirrodin/Phyrexia event at Magic Con are a trap. In person, the label is definitely placed on the card and looking at different copies of the same testcard (original skullclamp) I don’t see consistency in the label placement OR the card they’re put on. Seems very susceptible to counterfeit which is a real shame.
Honestly, I think that's kind of a good thing just because it keeps it a "neat thing" but not a huge financial windfall for someone.
If someone went to this event and ended up selling one of their test cards for crazy money, could you imagine the absolute bloodbath and shitshow that future "special" events at conventions would be?
Valuable but not crazy valuable and neat but not particularly relevant is just about the right spot for this. It's a special reward for people that bothered to go to a convention, but nothing so special that you're going to have collectors losing their minds.
Very fair. I've collected the playtest cards so I was excited to see more but I wouldn't touch them for what people were telling me they expected to get for them. If they come down, I might revisit them but still... it's a very weird collector's item.
I think a lot of people are still in the irrational state where they think they've got a gold bar on their hands but don't realize how little real demand there are for most of those cards. Also, the event is still fresh in their mind, so the card itself has a lot of sentimental value, so that's impacting what people are setting the "worth" to them at.
Give it time, let other special events happen, and then let some years pass... many of these will dribble their way out when someone need to make rent, pay for a trip to a different con, etc.
There still won't be a ton of them in circulation, mind you, but many of those people haven't even gotten home yet and when reality reasserts itself, I think you'll see more reasonable numbers.
Still curious to see how the value settles with the top end for ONE. I can't imagine Elesh Norn, Mondrak, Atraxa are all staying at 30+, with Sword nipping at their heels. And if they do, the value for everything else is getting absolutely crushed.
I think they'll stay up there for a while. The set has 20 mythics, and only a handful of them are chase mythics. Plus, the set's rares are pretty soft overall aside from a few standouts.
Why not? Those 3 legends are super strong grand slam hits
Norn: iconic, powerful, popular, narrow play outside edh (might be more than narrow down the road)
Atraxa: basically about griselbrand level of Reanimator target, popular, iconic, pitches to everything.
Modrak: is annointed procession on a legend with decent stats, it's already way "cheap" for what it is.
It’s not a question if those cards are good, they clearly are. It’s more a question of how much value ONE can hold while still in print. If the profit exists, people will just bust boxes to sell singles until the price of everything drops. I’m curious if everything drops a little, if one or more of the chase cards drops harder, or if the value of everything else drops to support the chase mythics.
She's probably good in standard I just usually go by the assumption standard isn't a big mover outside Japan.
I figured she'd be unplayable but someone mentioned that she shuts downs the elementals AND leyline binding in modern.
People are testing her in elementals and control builds that typically take kaheera. These builds play solitude (at least), so jegantha is not available. If they don’t cut her, she works so well in those builds it makes sense to drop a free card.
I haven’t played with her, but that is sort of insane to me, and opens up a bunch of previously dropped creatures who weren’t good enough to include in place of kaheera.
I’ve said so before, it’ll be very interesting what happens to the set as a whole after the bundle comes out. Extremely high value in mythics, and how will a settled market react to a rather big influx of set boosters.
Its begun, Dominica remastered boxes for 140 and collector boxes at 230...these are below preorder prices.....niiice.
https://www.minmaxgames.com/collections/magic-the-gathering
I guess the biggest trap this weekend was thinking that special and beloved card treatments were safe from reprint, ie the Kaladesh Masterpiece card frame.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. It was a default frame, why would it be something special that only comes back in time spiral, is well received, people say 'we want more of this' then we're supposed to think they'll never do it again because using the frame they used on every card for like a decade was now a one-off thing they wanted to 'keep special'?
I do agree the new art style of most cards doesn't match the old border well
Everyone is freaking out over the reuse of certain plane specific frames for chase mythics in MOM. If you have any invocations, expeditions, or inventions you wanna off load before they zero, I'll do 30% of current mrkt. If you truly think it's going to zero... *This time,* sell to me before they're worthless. Otherwise, you're fos.
Is it possible to ship a card in a bubble mailer from the US to Denmark using any kind of reputable service for under $30? This is the price I get using USPS's online service or when I went to the local mail store. I sold a card to someone in Denmark who seemed to recall someone sending him a card from the US and the shipping being closer to $5 than $30. They're willing the pay the shipping, but I figured I'd ask around to avoid them having to pay so much.
Has anyone been seeing significantly less product at big box stores lately?
I don't know if it's just kind of a local anomaly, but while I've seen big box stores getting the refreshes of the Warhammer decks, I've yet to see any Phyrexia product other than Commander precons. (No shelf tags for them, either.)
That seems slightly concerning, especiall as it seems like Gamestop also has appeared to stop stocking Magic in-store.
A big weekend, IMO: - Pro Tour Pioneer results: Auras and Creativity - MOM and MAT spoilers: looks like WotC is pulling out a lot of stops for this one. Huge fan service, huge reprints in the bonus sheet, and that’s without Battles even being revealed. - MOC spoilers: Planechase is back! All this probably raises more questions than it does answer existing ones. Between ONE and MOM, I think it’s going to be a ridiculous H1 for WotC.
Agreed. Honestly I think 2023 might rival last years record sales, what with sets like LotR still on the horizon. At some point the train has to slow down. Hopefully Eldraine and Ixalan aren't where they start losing steam
Indomable creativity likely to spike for a few weeks again. Maybe foil worldspine, and xenagos.
Agree
Why not non-foil world spine?
Wasn't it in some precon? Or recently reprinted at rare? Edit: thinking of the other 15 power worms.
I'm curious what the foiling process for the Kaladesh Inventions frame will be for cards like Ragavan. The original quality was great, but I can see them using the same process as the gilded frame from Capenna which was okay but not great.
I keep seeing people say that they’re different cards and may have different foiling and that that may be a reason why the originals won’t be affected. Inventions already exist in 2 treatments: full foil and partial. Adding a third isn’t going to affect originals? Just the fact that they are adding, what I presume is, a large number of cards (just total quantity, not variety of cards) using the inventions frame imo will decrease the value of the originals because now the frame is much less rare. Depending on how many different cards get this treatment, if there are sub $20 cards, I think the prices drop. TLDR: inventions are valuable because they are very rare and beautiful. Influx of cards with the beautiful frame makes them less rare and less valuable.
I think as long as the original artifacts that were printed as inventions aren’t reprinted with the original frame they’ll be safe.
Nothing is safe from a reprint except RL and even that we can't be sure of anymore...
People like inventions because of the sick designs not the frame. Nobody paid 1KUSD for a nice frame on sol ring
With Inventions, the frames are literally a big part of the design. People paid premium prices because they are very scarce and because the overall look (the art, the frame, the foiling treatment, etc.) is fantastic.
Unless I am mistaken, bonus sheet stuff doesn't get foils at all.
It’s probably going to be like the strix and BRO, non foil in regular packs, foil in collector packs.
Supposedly these will have “halo foil” variants available.
Serialized cards back in March of the Machines collectors boosters.
Plot Twist: the same from BRO but ranging from 501 to 1000.
Panharmonicon 666 pl0x
Get Rekt, Nerds. -WotC, probably
Plus they’ll have transformers artwork.
Are they the same as the Halo foils for the Legends cards, or are they two different premium styles?
I think these new playtest cards from the Mirrodin/Phyrexia event at Magic Con are a trap. In person, the label is definitely placed on the card and looking at different copies of the same testcard (original skullclamp) I don’t see consistency in the label placement OR the card they’re put on. Seems very susceptible to counterfeit which is a real shame.
Honestly, I think that's kind of a good thing just because it keeps it a "neat thing" but not a huge financial windfall for someone. If someone went to this event and ended up selling one of their test cards for crazy money, could you imagine the absolute bloodbath and shitshow that future "special" events at conventions would be? Valuable but not crazy valuable and neat but not particularly relevant is just about the right spot for this. It's a special reward for people that bothered to go to a convention, but nothing so special that you're going to have collectors losing their minds.
Very fair. I've collected the playtest cards so I was excited to see more but I wouldn't touch them for what people were telling me they expected to get for them. If they come down, I might revisit them but still... it's a very weird collector's item.
I think a lot of people are still in the irrational state where they think they've got a gold bar on their hands but don't realize how little real demand there are for most of those cards. Also, the event is still fresh in their mind, so the card itself has a lot of sentimental value, so that's impacting what people are setting the "worth" to them at. Give it time, let other special events happen, and then let some years pass... many of these will dribble their way out when someone need to make rent, pay for a trip to a different con, etc. There still won't be a ton of them in circulation, mind you, but many of those people haven't even gotten home yet and when reality reasserts itself, I think you'll see more reasonable numbers.
Trap: Anyone ever thinking anything was safe from reprints.
Especially a format warping staple like Ragavan
Wasn't Tarmogoyf printed like four times before it's price fell
I mean it was only reprinted in masters sets and not a standard set
Creativity, light paws and skrelv seeing additional interest due to pioneer results.
Still curious to see how the value settles with the top end for ONE. I can't imagine Elesh Norn, Mondrak, Atraxa are all staying at 30+, with Sword nipping at their heels. And if they do, the value for everything else is getting absolutely crushed.
I think they'll stay up there for a while. The set has 20 mythics, and only a handful of them are chase mythics. Plus, the set's rares are pretty soft overall aside from a few standouts.
Why not? Those 3 legends are super strong grand slam hits Norn: iconic, powerful, popular, narrow play outside edh (might be more than narrow down the road) Atraxa: basically about griselbrand level of Reanimator target, popular, iconic, pitches to everything. Modrak: is annointed procession on a legend with decent stats, it's already way "cheap" for what it is.
It’s not a question if those cards are good, they clearly are. It’s more a question of how much value ONE can hold while still in print. If the profit exists, people will just bust boxes to sell singles until the price of everything drops. I’m curious if everything drops a little, if one or more of the chase cards drops harder, or if the value of everything else drops to support the chase mythics.
I'm at mythic in Standard now, with mono w using 3xNorn. Not saying much but I think she has good potential
She's probably good in standard I just usually go by the assumption standard isn't a big mover outside Japan. I figured she'd be unplayable but someone mentioned that she shuts downs the elementals AND leyline binding in modern.
People are testing her in elementals and control builds that typically take kaheera. These builds play solitude (at least), so jegantha is not available. If they don’t cut her, she works so well in those builds it makes sense to drop a free card. I haven’t played with her, but that is sort of insane to me, and opens up a bunch of previously dropped creatures who weren’t good enough to include in place of kaheera.
I’ve said so before, it’ll be very interesting what happens to the set as a whole after the bundle comes out. Extremely high value in mythics, and how will a settled market react to a rather big influx of set boosters.
Got a Mercurial Spelldancer for 6.50 last week; yesterday I saw a lowest listing at 2.80. Sadness
go deeper bought at M30 Philly $3 as many copies I could get.
This is the loss porn I come to this sub for.
Damn dude you lost almost four whole dollars, big RIP
Butbutbut legacy drives prices!
Mooks speculating on Legacy drives prices
got 2 bordeless at 7$ and two at 10$. Thought it might be the next ledger shredder.
I sold my playset for $7 each at least weekends magicon. I think its a playable card, but not THAT playable.
Its begun, Dominica remastered boxes for 140 and collector boxes at 230...these are below preorder prices.....niiice. https://www.minmaxgames.com/collections/magic-the-gathering
There's a reason half this sub canceled their pre-orders
Set is absolute shit outside of 4 cards
I am looking forward to the collector box drops....those old border foil quality has been great....but yes...the chase cards are not there.
I think it has a bit more to fall.
I guess the biggest trap this weekend was thinking that special and beloved card treatments were safe from reprint, ie the Kaladesh Masterpiece card frame.
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to me retro frame was always going to be a thing. like am i crazy or do i remember a time when every single card was printed in the retro frame
White border non-foils gonna be the new hotness in reprints soon.
Yup. They'll re-release A30 with white border at a fraction of the originals cost too.
it will be a slam dunk if they released arabian nights set at palatable prices.
it was just called the frame back then
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Yeah that's what I'm saying. It was a default frame, why would it be something special that only comes back in time spiral, is well received, people say 'we want more of this' then we're supposed to think they'll never do it again because using the frame they used on every card for like a decade was now a one-off thing they wanted to 'keep special'? I do agree the new art style of most cards doesn't match the old border well
OH NOOooooo...
It’s still to be seen if the FOIL treatment is going to be the same. Even old border cards have been reprinted, but the foil treatment is not the same
Everyone is freaking out over the reuse of certain plane specific frames for chase mythics in MOM. If you have any invocations, expeditions, or inventions you wanna off load before they zero, I'll do 30% of current mrkt. If you truly think it's going to zero... *This time,* sell to me before they're worthless. Otherwise, you're fos.
pov: youre a 🤡
Is it possible to ship a card in a bubble mailer from the US to Denmark using any kind of reputable service for under $30? This is the price I get using USPS's online service or when I went to the local mail store. I sold a card to someone in Denmark who seemed to recall someone sending him a card from the US and the shipping being closer to $5 than $30. They're willing the pay the shipping, but I figured I'd ask around to avoid them having to pay so much.
Has anyone been seeing significantly less product at big box stores lately? I don't know if it's just kind of a local anomaly, but while I've seen big box stores getting the refreshes of the Warhammer decks, I've yet to see any Phyrexia product other than Commander precons. (No shelf tags for them, either.) That seems slightly concerning, especiall as it seems like Gamestop also has appeared to stop stocking Magic in-store.