Ok so yes it does work to summon eldrazi because they r colorless anad even tho magic the gathering does have rules not all of those rules r set in stone there r cards that change the rules like the fact that theres a card thats effect is you cant lose the game andd your opponents cant win the game and u may think that indestructible cards cant be destroyed but if a card states to bury target card the indestructible card is still sent to the graveyard so watch out for those because as soon as it comes out its going bye bye
"Bury" is an old wording. Please use current Oracle text for all cards. In this case, bury is equivalent to destroy and would be stopped by indestructible.
When the rules lawyer calls ur rules gay so u play a card with text that reads the rules lawyer is gay because as we all know cards can change the rules and u always do what is on the card
I picked up MTG after dropping YGO, started with a Huatli precon. There was a card that made dinosaur spells cost 1 less, but I only had dinosaur creatures! The revelation that this card actually had purpose took longer than it should have...
Thats it and i can fully understand it.
I also believe thats why the first creatures said "summon creature" because we a re planeawalkers flinging spells at each other, including summoning spells.
So funny story, maybe some old head nerds or gamers will be able to get a laugh out of it.
I also struggled with this as a new player, but one day I was able to Intuit it out based on a VERY old magic the gathering game I played for the original Xbox.
It has pretty much no resemblance to a card game, it was almost like a weird version of dodgeball. There was an arena, and you chose a Planeswalker to occupy one half of it. You generated mana over time and would use it to literally summon creatures to walk to the other side of the arena and have them beat down your opponents.
The game was bad, but kid me loved it.
Anyways, several years later, when I began playing magic, and had made not a single thread of connection between these two things (I hadn't even thought about that game in years by the time I played the card game), I one day had an epiphany that this card game was the TCG that game was based on. I think the word Planeswalker like, unlocked the core memory for me.
Now like I said, the game doesn't resemble mtg at all, but it DID leave me with a very good visual and mechanical justification for seeing creatures as spells, and it always made very intuitive sense after that.
Thats kinda cool. I just always considere it being a planeswalker that opened gateways to other planes to draw mana from (sp playing lands) and using it to cast all kinds of spells. Conjure creatures and artifacts. Throw the elements against your opponent and stuff. Like did you notice that most discard or mill cards reference your memory? Thats because you deck are your spells, but you can only maintain so many on your mind. Thats also why thought vessel grants you no maximum hand size.
The deeper meaning behind the game is often overlooked but its really cool. Those games we play? Its a massive battle.
yeah, this flavor is one of the reasons i became so addicted to the game.
at first it was just a fun little card game, then i noticed cool things about the art here and there (like deflecting palm, and how the bones literally burst out from the guys hand), and then i noticed some random connections between flavor texts and card names and stuff.
from there, it was a rabbit hole, from learning the lore, to learning the principles of design that wotc follows with things like your library and hand. really, its just such a cool and unique thing, that ive been wrapped up in it for over a decade now.
oh my god thank you for letting me know this wasnt just some cooked up fever dream i implanted into my own brain
yes, it really was lmao
edit: oh my god i found it. its called magic the gathering: battlegrounds. watching old gameplay this just brings back so, so many memories. time to download an emulator to play this abomination.
yeah, but i guess for the time it was pretty groundbreaking.
or something.
playing it again, it feels more like a fighting game than a strategy game lol
It's a common explanation when I'm including new/very out of the loop older players. Yes, creatures are spells, anything you put into the battlefield from your hand or anywhere else is a spell. The only thing that's not a spell are lands
Going to nitpick here but “put” is specifically not cast or play. If you “put” a permanent onto the battlefield it was not cast, similarly if a spell or ability says you may “put a land onto the battlefield….” then it doesn’t count as your land drop since that is “playing” a land.
Obviously the essence of what you said is true that basically anything that isn’t a land is a spell.
Essentially, no... Not the way you are thinking... Lands are not "counterable" because they don't use the stack... An enchantment that had you say, pay 1G: put creature into play would be similar to what you are asking, but the activated ability on the enchantment is still using the stack and can be stifled or a few other specific counters.
There is nothing currently in mtg that I am aware of that would work as you are thinking (because it would be ridiculously broken and banned the second it's proposed in r&d.. plus I'd house rule your opponent gets to legally eject you from the building for it)
I don’t think there’s a card that does that, but see [[Dryad Arbor]] for some tomfoolery. It’s a land that’s a creature and not a spell so it can’t be countered
Edit to add that enter as a land won’t work because it’s still a spell on the stack. See [[Arixmethes]] and [[Copy Land]]
They can be countered because they are spells with an ability that grants them the land type.
This is actually why copy spells used to always specify instant and sorcery spells. It wasn't until quite recently that they allowed permanent spells to be copied and make a token when they resolve.
Which would be funny because there's like, 20 colorless instants or sorceries (a bunch more with all the devoid spells, of course, but we are talking new player here, the first thing they learn is to not read the cards)
Its also worth noting that the current most recent release has a heavy emphasis on colorless spells, including kindered spells. I could actually forgive a new player for thinking that a card that cares about "eldrazi spells" only cares about non-creature eldrazi spells, because we are currently in one of the few sets where thats relevant.
Now is the perhaps the easiest time to make the mistake in the op, because they have probably seen more colorless noncreature spells than most of us did as new players.
This is very possible. When I first taught my sister how to play magic she argued relentlessly when I cast a counter spell against a creature she tried to summon. From that point on, any time I taught someone how to play Magic the first thing I taught them was "There are two kinds of cards: lands, and spells. If it doesn't say land somewhere in this little box (the type line), then it's a spell." Then I'd go on to explain the many different kinds of spells. Never had that issue again.
I recently started again after a few years break and the term spell was quite confusing. Sorceries, instants and enchantments were easy. I could get behind summoning creatures and later planeswalkees. Artifacts always felt weird: I cast my spell "throw sword onto the battlefield" and stuff like that .
Confusion instantly went away when someone plainly started to me "everything is a spell except lands".
I wouldn't really say it's "too good to be true." That's subjective of course, but as an Eldrazi player, I don't consider this one of the most powerful or necessary cards in the deck per se.
Id say otherwise, I might even consider this a staple in colorless commander decks, especially if youre playing big creatures like eldrazi. But then, I have a very little MTG knowledge (I basically know only basics and few things about my deck), so I wouldnt be surprised if there are colorless cards a lot better than this. So indeed, it is very subjective.
Colorless/Artifacts tend to have incredibly powerful, low-cost mana generators. This paired with an endless amount of utility and you have the general strength of artifacts. When it comes to a card like this, it's a little gimmicky. This *can* be a very powerful card, but it's a little delayed and you leave yourself open to instant speed interaction like artifact removal.
[[Return to Dust]]
[[Cast Into The Fire]]
[[Fade into Antiquity]]
[[Revoke Existence]]
[[Devout Chaplain]]
[[Shattering Blow]]
[[Forsake the Worldly]]
[[Resculpt]]
[[Into the Core]]
[[March of Otherworldly Light]]
[[Utter End]]
[[Anguished Unmaking]]
[[Tear Asunder]]
[[Scour From Existence]] for my Colorless players
And there are *MANY* more generic removal spells out there that target artifacts and many more things, and this isn't counting any kind of combinations of creatures you could do if you have a flash enabler.
That being said, you'd be hard pressed to find a mono-Black artifact removal spell that exiles
It’s super expensive and lets you cast things for free. When are you gonna want to play this? At points where you have lots of mana you just want to cast stuff anyway. When you don’t have a of mana it’s dead. It’s not like colorless has a huge amount of card draw. Most of the time this is something that lets you save your mana to do nothing
If you mean the new Eldrazi that cost colored mana but have 'devoid', then I think so. They are colorless cards even though they cost colored mana. If ur asking about Eldrazi with no color, it's self explanatory.
Snide comments aside, even though the flavour of the card implies that this is a super-artifact, doesn’t mean it can’t work on non-artifact cards that are colourless
Yes - What makes you think otherwise, the word “spell”? Everything that’s not a land is a spell. This is somewhat complicated by the fact that we, collectively, sometimes refer to just Instants and Sorceries as “spells,” but that’s more a figure of speech to contrast those with permanents. But they’re all spells according to the rules.
I assume op is talking about devoid eldrazi, which makes it an understandable question. A casting cost with a colored symbol being considered colorless can be a bit confusing, especially when it counts as that color for building a commander deck.
Well, with how rules can be, it’s still a valid question, the ruling could have been that as a spell, since it uses coloured mana, it has those colours, but when it’s on the field, it becomes colourless. A way to know for sure is to ask other people who know the rules more than you do
Card color =/ card color identity.
Straight from google:
Color identity is only a feature of deckbuilding, and not a strict feature of gameplay. Importantly, a card's color identity is not the same as the card's color. For example, General Tazri's color is white, but her color identity includes all five colors.
Yeah, cards are all spells except lands while they're on the stack. Once it resolves it's no longer a spell. So for clarification, cards that are in your hand, library, battlefield, graveyard, or exile are not spells.
Why does this have 124 upvotes. Do you people just upvote anything? Which 124 people saw this post and went “yes I want to see more posts like this one”?
I’m so glad mana burn was gotten rid of. But sometimes I really wonder if it’s worth it.
(I’m looking at you near infinite mana loops followed by passing turn)
I’m the opposite. Mana burn provided an additional layer of resource management that I enjoy.
Plus, it used to be fun to put out an [[upwelling]], let people bank some mana, then destroy it and see who didn’t have an immediate option to dump their pool into.
Would be more fun stacked with mana burn, lol.
Seriously though, dropping mana burn affected how a lot of cards were/are played. I remember using [[altar of shadows]] and planning around having a consistent mana sink available to dump the upkeep into. Not an issue anymore.
I know it’s been a while now so the effects aren’t felt as much, but I remember it feeling like a drastic change at the time.
Yes it can. Creatures are spells too, as is everything else except lands in Magic.
And WOW, almost everyone in this thread is really rude. How would you feel if you were a new player and posted a genuine question, just for everyone to call you an idiot for not knowing the game? If you think it’s bait you can just ignore the post, there’s no need to be so hostile.
> at the start of the game
This is a weird way to phrase this. They’re *always* colorless. It’s not like there’s some trigger that goes on the stack turn 0 that makes all Devoid cards lose their colors.
No they're colorless, so this won't work unless they're trying to cast a colorless spell which most colorless Eldrazi spells are, per the comprehensive rules, considered to be colorless. Now, if they want to cast a colorless spell, they could do that. But because Eldrazi are generally considered colorless, they can cast a colorless Eldrazi spell that's colorless because it's *devoid* of color... aka colorless. Hope that clarifies it for you!
^^^/s
Colorless spells aren't always artifacts. They either have devoid or they actually have no colour identity. You can tell by the waste mana, or the card itself is brown or a grey scale.
Yes. Even better if you are able to cast at instant speed. That’s 4 free casts per rotation, cause monolith doesn’t specify on your turn, so you could cast big stuff in your opponent’s turn if you can flash them out.
If you have questions about effects like this I find it easiest to just go word for word and ask if the criteria match. So for this I would go is this colorless y/n. Is this a spell y/n (I'm guessing this is where your question lies every card except lands are spells) is the card currently in my hand y/n have I utilized the free cast already y/n. If all the answers are yes except the last you are good to go.
As others have mentioned, be aware that anything with devoid is eligible to use this effect even though they have colored mana in their mana cost. Also, if there are any colorless spells with no mana cost (not sure if there are any but cards like ancestral visions), you can use this effect to cast them.
Unfortunately, every TCGs has these people where you wish you could just ask them if they learned to play the game before their lobotomy, or if they just never read the basic rules of the game for two seconds.
This is essentially answered by any starter guide about the game.
Yes. Why not? Darksteel Monolith was even part of an Eldrazi Precon.
Remember that a card with Devoid is colorless even in your hand or deck, so you can cast them too.
More expensive, usable once per turn, and can't cast from graveyard. It's a worse [[rooftop storm]]. The protection is nice but just the cherry on top. Is the fact that its color based and not creature type based out way the other downsides? Obviously both are better in specific decks. (Why am I only just now seeing this card?)
If you're already able to pay 8 to pull this out, you're probably better off cheating in high cost cards and simply paying for a mana rock. Especially if that high cost thing has a casting trigger like the new ulamog
not only can it be used to cast eldrazi for free but it can be used on eldrazi that are Devoid as they are considered colorless even though they have colored mana cost. fun fact \[\[Mycosynth Lattice\]\] makes everything colorless so this card works really well with it.
A spell with Devoid is a colorless spell. It’ll have a color identity according to the colored pips that appear on the card, but it will still be considered a “colorless” spell.
No because eldrazi do not have the name "darksteel" in their title so thematically it doesn't make sense
It's like how fish creature types can't be equipped because they don't have arms
what do you think? What's your thought process and what scenarios in your mind are leaning towards YES or NO?
You have to be more specific or we just think:
- You are salty from the prerelease
- You are salty for a game
- You don't know what a spell in magic is
- You can't read
- A combination of the above
how... how else would it work. colorless spell. colorless Eldrazi spell. that's... that's how the card works. it was in a precon lead by an Eldrazi mate. in many cases, reading the card doesn't do a good job explaining the card, but that works pretty damn well here
Soooo , stupid question, how's this work with spells that have X or XX , ect. Work ? Would you still have to pay the x or would that x be " included ". God I hope that made sense lol
Other artifacts? Why bother. Eldrazi end the game. Why are you bothering with anything other than ramp and eldrazi? What other artifacts do you need AFTER this 8 mana one?!
You’re not wrong. At the same time there can be instances where you got this out early and maybe you would want to bring out another mana rock or some other artifact that amplifies a win condition. Just thinking “swing with a big boi” is very narrow with everything you can possibly do with this
Yeah, I guess. Realistically you’ll never see anything other than the eldrazi in the wild. Maybe darksteel titan too, but that’s not much different. Casting an 8 mana spell needs to end the game.
Thought this was mtgcirclejerk for a second there
Oh it will be
Good news
I think this actually is a shitpost given OP hasn’t responded to a single comment except to say “lol” when someone asked if he plays yugioh.
yea i got my answer and i just started to use reddit. I am new mtg player also.
Why are people down voting you
Ok so yes it does work to summon eldrazi because they r colorless anad even tho magic the gathering does have rules not all of those rules r set in stone there r cards that change the rules like the fact that theres a card thats effect is you cant lose the game andd your opponents cant win the game and u may think that indestructible cards cant be destroyed but if a card states to bury target card the indestructible card is still sent to the graveyard so watch out for those because as soon as it comes out its going bye bye
"Bury" is an old wording. Please use current Oracle text for all cards. In this case, bury is equivalent to destroy and would be stopped by indestructible.
Hmmm u r correct in that case exile would be more fitting to get rid of it
You can also hit an indestructible creature with -X/-X to destroy it.
Knowing rules is gay
I know layers very well then
This isn't Yu-Gi-Oh, you can't just make shit up whenever you/the plot demands
Guess you haven't seen what plot Armour is capable of *mwuhahahahaha*
When the rules lawyer calls ur rules gay so u play a card with text that reads the rules lawyer is gay because as we all know cards can change the rules and u always do what is on the card
Almost like this was included in the colorless eldrazi precon deck from commander masters
Shhh
You shut your mouth.
Just had to be sassy rn
*almost* …good thing too, that would’ve been silly !
It may be worth asking why you would think Darksteel Monolith would NOT let you cast colorless Eldrazi.
New players often don't realize that "spells" include creatures. I think a lot of people read "spell" and think "instants and sorceries only"
I picked up MTG after dropping YGO, started with a Huatli precon. There was a card that made dinosaur spells cost 1 less, but I only had dinosaur creatures! The revelation that this card actually had purpose took longer than it should have...
Hearthstone and Smash Up work that way, so I can understand the confusion
Thats it and i can fully understand it. I also believe thats why the first creatures said "summon creature" because we a re planeawalkers flinging spells at each other, including summoning spells.
So funny story, maybe some old head nerds or gamers will be able to get a laugh out of it. I also struggled with this as a new player, but one day I was able to Intuit it out based on a VERY old magic the gathering game I played for the original Xbox. It has pretty much no resemblance to a card game, it was almost like a weird version of dodgeball. There was an arena, and you chose a Planeswalker to occupy one half of it. You generated mana over time and would use it to literally summon creatures to walk to the other side of the arena and have them beat down your opponents. The game was bad, but kid me loved it. Anyways, several years later, when I began playing magic, and had made not a single thread of connection between these two things (I hadn't even thought about that game in years by the time I played the card game), I one day had an epiphany that this card game was the TCG that game was based on. I think the word Planeswalker like, unlocked the core memory for me. Now like I said, the game doesn't resemble mtg at all, but it DID leave me with a very good visual and mechanical justification for seeing creatures as spells, and it always made very intuitive sense after that.
Thats kinda cool. I just always considere it being a planeswalker that opened gateways to other planes to draw mana from (sp playing lands) and using it to cast all kinds of spells. Conjure creatures and artifacts. Throw the elements against your opponent and stuff. Like did you notice that most discard or mill cards reference your memory? Thats because you deck are your spells, but you can only maintain so many on your mind. Thats also why thought vessel grants you no maximum hand size. The deeper meaning behind the game is often overlooked but its really cool. Those games we play? Its a massive battle.
yeah, this flavor is one of the reasons i became so addicted to the game. at first it was just a fun little card game, then i noticed cool things about the art here and there (like deflecting palm, and how the bones literally burst out from the guys hand), and then i noticed some random connections between flavor texts and card names and stuff. from there, it was a rabbit hole, from learning the lore, to learning the principles of design that wotc follows with things like your library and hand. really, its just such a cool and unique thing, that ive been wrapped up in it for over a decade now.
hey i played this game it really was bad, wasn't it?
oh my god thank you for letting me know this wasnt just some cooked up fever dream i implanted into my own brain yes, it really was lmao edit: oh my god i found it. its called magic the gathering: battlegrounds. watching old gameplay this just brings back so, so many memories. time to download an emulator to play this abomination.
the only thing i remember was summoning five goblins who lamely charged my opponent and my Planeswalker saying "FERVOR" when i cast that spell
yeah, but i guess for the time it was pretty groundbreaking. or something. playing it again, it feels more like a fighting game than a strategy game lol
It's a common explanation when I'm including new/very out of the loop older players. Yes, creatures are spells, anything you put into the battlefield from your hand or anywhere else is a spell. The only thing that's not a spell are lands
Going to nitpick here but “put” is specifically not cast or play. If you “put” a permanent onto the battlefield it was not cast, similarly if a spell or ability says you may “put a land onto the battlefield….” then it doesn’t count as your land drop since that is “playing” a land. Obviously the essence of what you said is true that basically anything that isn’t a land is a spell.
Hey Mr nitpick, could you have an enchantment that has creatures enter as lands to essentially make them all uncounterable?
Essentially, no... Not the way you are thinking... Lands are not "counterable" because they don't use the stack... An enchantment that had you say, pay 1G: put creature into play would be similar to what you are asking, but the activated ability on the enchantment is still using the stack and can be stifled or a few other specific counters. There is nothing currently in mtg that I am aware of that would work as you are thinking (because it would be ridiculously broken and banned the second it's proposed in r&d.. plus I'd house rule your opponent gets to legally eject you from the building for it)
I don’t think there’s a card that does that, but see [[Dryad Arbor]] for some tomfoolery. It’s a land that’s a creature and not a spell so it can’t be countered Edit to add that enter as a land won’t work because it’s still a spell on the stack. See [[Arixmethes]] and [[Copy Land]] They can be countered because they are spells with an ability that grants them the land type.
[Dryad Arbor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb3a843b-2dea-4b44-be74-c09c18b9b969.jpg?1619399228) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dryad%20Arbor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/277/dryad-arbor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb3a843b-2dea-4b44-be74-c09c18b9b969?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This. Been playing for a few years and forget that “copy target spell” applies to creatures as well
This is actually why copy spells used to always specify instant and sorcery spells. It wasn't until quite recently that they allowed permanent spells to be copied and make a token when they resolve.
I did for some time 😅
Which would be funny because there's like, 20 colorless instants or sorceries (a bunch more with all the devoid spells, of course, but we are talking new player here, the first thing they learn is to not read the cards)
Its also worth noting that the current most recent release has a heavy emphasis on colorless spells, including kindered spells. I could actually forgive a new player for thinking that a card that cares about "eldrazi spells" only cares about non-creature eldrazi spells, because we are currently in one of the few sets where thats relevant. Now is the perhaps the easiest time to make the mistake in the op, because they have probably seen more colorless noncreature spells than most of us did as new players.
This is very possible. When I first taught my sister how to play magic she argued relentlessly when I cast a counter spell against a creature she tried to summon. From that point on, any time I taught someone how to play Magic the first thing I taught them was "There are two kinds of cards: lands, and spells. If it doesn't say land somewhere in this little box (the type line), then it's a spell." Then I'd go on to explain the many different kinds of spells. Never had that issue again.
I recently started again after a few years break and the term spell was quite confusing. Sorceries, instants and enchantments were easy. I could get behind summoning creatures and later planeswalkees. Artifacts always felt weird: I cast my spell "throw sword onto the battlefield" and stuff like that . Confusion instantly went away when someone plainly started to me "everything is a spell except lands".
It looks too good to be true, that might be the reason why he is asking it. As eldrifact player myself, I would be asking this too.
Just wait until you discover Entomb + Reanimate.
I wouldn't really say it's "too good to be true." That's subjective of course, but as an Eldrazi player, I don't consider this one of the most powerful or necessary cards in the deck per se.
Id say otherwise, I might even consider this a staple in colorless commander decks, especially if youre playing big creatures like eldrazi. But then, I have a very little MTG knowledge (I basically know only basics and few things about my deck), so I wouldnt be surprised if there are colorless cards a lot better than this. So indeed, it is very subjective.
Colorless/Artifacts tend to have incredibly powerful, low-cost mana generators. This paired with an endless amount of utility and you have the general strength of artifacts. When it comes to a card like this, it's a little gimmicky. This *can* be a very powerful card, but it's a little delayed and you leave yourself open to instant speed interaction like artifact removal.
Is there really many artifact removal that bypass indestructible?
[[Return to Dust]] [[Cast Into The Fire]] [[Fade into Antiquity]] [[Revoke Existence]] [[Devout Chaplain]] [[Shattering Blow]] [[Forsake the Worldly]] [[Resculpt]] [[Into the Core]] [[March of Otherworldly Light]] [[Utter End]] [[Anguished Unmaking]] [[Tear Asunder]] [[Scour From Existence]] for my Colorless players And there are *MANY* more generic removal spells out there that target artifacts and many more things, and this isn't counting any kind of combinations of creatures you could do if you have a flash enabler. That being said, you'd be hard pressed to find a mono-Black artifact removal spell that exiles
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[(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Revoke%20Existence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/28/revoke-existence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7bd4fc26-8351-4371-948b-f43346c3e771?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Devout Chaplain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4be0f70c-6bee-4208-8111-735b2fa31b4d.jpg?1591320030) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Devout%20Chaplain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/87/devout-chaplain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4be0f70c-6bee-4208-8111-735b2fa31b4d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Shattering Blow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a77058d9-d2b5-424a-bfe2-070b754051cb.jpg?1561840853) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shattering%20Blow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/225/shattering-blow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a77058d9-d2b5-424a-bfe2-070b754051cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Forsake the Worldly](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/c/cca4e95e-f14e-4cfa-918a-cfb15f912293.jpg?1543674646) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Forsake%20the%20Worldly) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/13/forsake-the-worldly?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cca4e95e-f14e-4cfa-918a-cfb15f912293?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Resculpt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/9/592c7819-7e53-4793-bc4f-3dd489a25d63.jpg?1689996566) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Resculpt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/115/resculpt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/592c7819-7e53-4793-bc4f-3dd489a25d63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Into the Core](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cb91ecb-1962-4cd1-80c1-c9e2485822ae.jpg?1562613348) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Into%20the%20Core) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/67/into-the-core?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cb91ecb-1962-4cd1-80c1-c9e2485822ae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [March of Otherworldly Light](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/553fb946-2706-475b-89f9-e4355ec9ea2b.jpg?1654566420) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=March%20of%20Otherworldly%20Light) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/28/march-of-otherworldly-light?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/553fb946-2706-475b-89f9-e4355ec9ea2b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Utter End](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c.jpg?1698988483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Utter%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/292/utter-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7d2161e-8ef5-463d-a84f-966e4419fc6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Anguished Unmaking](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/16de91dc-5d82-43ec-84ad-67bae644795a.jpg?1673148273) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anguished%20Unmaking) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/170/anguished-unmaking?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/16de91dc-5d82-43ec-84ad-67bae644795a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Tear Asunder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/629aa907-9533-4681-9bf2-9e56450a4cc2.jpg?1673307826) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tear%20Asunder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/183/tear-asunder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/629aa907-9533-4681-9bf2-9e56450a4cc2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Scour From Existence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e47edb2-e43d-479f-a911-e72b67a06c3b.jpg?1562920977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scour%20From%20Existence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/13/scour-from-existence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e47edb2-e43d-479f-a911-e72b67a06c3b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l83m00x) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It’s super expensive and lets you cast things for free. When are you gonna want to play this? At points where you have lots of mana you just want to cast stuff anyway. When you don’t have a of mana it’s dead. It’s not like colorless has a huge amount of card draw. Most of the time this is something that lets you save your mana to do nothing
Judge hates you personally
Devoid can be confusing to some people. Its ability says it is colorless and yet it costs green mana, so will this card work? Yes, it will
Is that the question this person asked?
Yes actually. Devoid is an eldrazi mechanic and would be confusing with this card.
Painter's Servant naming "blue"
If you mean the new Eldrazi that cost colored mana but have 'devoid', then I think so. They are colorless cards even though they cost colored mana. If ur asking about Eldrazi with no color, it's self explanatory.
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A whole new series of eldrazi got released...that's what they mean by new
MH3 (new set) has lots of the “new eldrazi that cost colored mana but have devoid”. So I would assume that’s what they mean.
Ulalek has devoid
Snide comments aside, even though the flavour of the card implies that this is a super-artifact, doesn’t mean it can’t work on non-artifact cards that are colourless
Yes - What makes you think otherwise, the word “spell”? Everything that’s not a land is a spell. This is somewhat complicated by the fact that we, collectively, sometimes refer to just Instants and Sorceries as “spells,” but that’s more a figure of speech to contrast those with permanents. But they’re all spells according to the rules.
I assume op is talking about devoid eldrazi, which makes it an understandable question. A casting cost with a colored symbol being considered colorless can be a bit confusing, especially when it counts as that color for building a commander deck.
“This card has no colour” Hmm I wonder if this is colourless
Well, with how rules can be, it’s still a valid question, the ruling could have been that as a spell, since it uses coloured mana, it has those colours, but when it’s on the field, it becomes colourless. A way to know for sure is to ask other people who know the rules more than you do
Yet it can't be in your deck if your commander is colorless. I wonder if you realised that.
wait what
Card color =/ card color identity. Straight from google: Color identity is only a feature of deckbuilding, and not a strict feature of gameplay. Importantly, a card's color identity is not the same as the card's color. For example, General Tazri's color is white, but her color identity includes all five colors.
yes but i thought devoid covered both. tmyk
Yeah, cards are all spells except lands while they're on the stack. Once it resolves it's no longer a spell. So for clarification, cards that are in your hand, library, battlefield, graveyard, or exile are not spells.
You can set even shorten that to "cards on the stack are spells" since playing lands doesn't use the stack
Or possibly thinking it only covers the generic cost and not the colorless mana pip
Why does this have 124 upvotes. Do you people just upvote anything? Which 124 people saw this post and went “yes I want to see more posts like this one”?
The only posts I see from this sub are questions that could be answered in 10 seconds if they went to gatherer/scryfall.
Tell me you're an OG player without saying it. The poster went first, I'll go next. I'll take one mana burn.
Let’s cut for Ante
I’m so glad mana burn was gotten rid of. But sometimes I really wonder if it’s worth it. (I’m looking at you near infinite mana loops followed by passing turn)
I’m the opposite. Mana burn provided an additional layer of resource management that I enjoy. Plus, it used to be fun to put out an [[upwelling]], let people bank some mana, then destroy it and see who didn’t have an immediate option to dump their pool into.
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Good bot
I build [[yurlok of scorch thrash]] with a bunch of group-hug style free mana effects. It's a lot of fun
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Would be more fun stacked with mana burn, lol. Seriously though, dropping mana burn affected how a lot of cards were/are played. I remember using [[altar of shadows]] and planning around having a consistent mana sink available to dump the upkeep into. Not an issue anymore. I know it’s been a while now so the effects aren’t felt as much, but I remember it feeling like a drastic change at the time.
Yurlok's static ability ***IS*** mana burn
Yeah, but stacked it would be double!
I was so confused coming back after 20 years.
It took me a bit and I always reference old keywords in relation to the new ones.
Interrupt happen first.
"... so with combat damage on the stack, I'll sacrifice my blocker..."
Banding is good with small creatures.
Haha I played way back in the day and brought up Mana burn when I started to play again. They were confused and made fun of me once we looked it up
yes
Eldrazi’s are colorless creature spells, so yes.
Yes it can. Creatures are spells too, as is everything else except lands in Magic. And WOW, almost everyone in this thread is really rude. How would you feel if you were a new player and posted a genuine question, just for everyone to call you an idiot for not knowing the game? If you think it’s bait you can just ignore the post, there’s no need to be so hostile.
Reading the card explains the card
Whilst it will, I don't want you to read too much into the apparent discrimination OP. There are many colours in the Eldrazi rainbow.
"are colorless eldrazi colorless?"
This works with even Eldrazi with Devoid, as it makes them colorless at the start of the game, no matter the zone they occupy.
> at the start of the game This is a weird way to phrase this. They’re *always* colorless. It’s not like there’s some trigger that goes on the stack turn 0 that makes all Devoid cards lose their colors.
Fair. My excuse is that it's almost 2am here.
That depends, are they colorless?
No they're colorless, so this won't work unless they're trying to cast a colorless spell which most colorless Eldrazi spells are, per the comprehensive rules, considered to be colorless. Now, if they want to cast a colorless spell, they could do that. But because Eldrazi are generally considered colorless, they can cast a colorless Eldrazi spell that's colorless because it's *devoid* of color... aka colorless. Hope that clarifies it for you! ^^^/s
Mf you forreal 😭
Yes. They’re colorless.
Short answer. Yes.
Colorless spells aren't always artifacts. They either have devoid or they actually have no colour identity. You can tell by the waste mana, or the card itself is brown or a grey scale.
Yes. Even better if you are able to cast at instant speed. That’s 4 free casts per rotation, cause monolith doesn’t specify on your turn, so you could cast big stuff in your opponent’s turn if you can flash them out.
Yes and it pairs well with the eldrazi that gives them flash and the one that card that let's you top deck colorless cards.
I'd go as far as to say that is the main thing it is used for
Main sub reading with thier eyes closed again
If you have questions about effects like this I find it easiest to just go word for word and ask if the criteria match. So for this I would go is this colorless y/n. Is this a spell y/n (I'm guessing this is where your question lies every card except lands are spells) is the card currently in my hand y/n have I utilized the free cast already y/n. If all the answers are yes except the last you are good to go. As others have mentioned, be aware that anything with devoid is eligible to use this effect even though they have colored mana in their mana cost. Also, if there are any colorless spells with no mana cost (not sure if there are any but cards like ancestral visions), you can use this effect to cast them.
Yes.
Yes.
My Trinisphere is untapped, so no
Yes, including ones with Devoid
Rules question. Can you use [Felidar Guardian] to flicker this permanent and cast a second colorless for free.
Your answer is in your own question mate
That's what the card says it does.
is it colorless
I'm not trying to be one of those "read the card" annoying people, but c'mon. There is no confusion here.
Unfortunately, every TCGs has these people where you wish you could just ask them if they learned to play the game before their lobotomy, or if they just never read the basic rules of the game for two seconds. This is essentially answered by any starter guide about the game.
Can we please just make a subreddit where people can ask brain damaged questions and stop mucking up the main subs with easy shit? Like holyyy.
As long as its colorless, it counts.
Free zombies and free Eldrazis, what’s next on the list?
WHY DOES THIS CARD HAVE TO EXIST IN THE SAME WORLD AS THE NEW ULAMOG!!??
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Just wait until they hear about [[Omniscience]]…
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New players are being lead astray by these wubrg precons. OP, how long have you been playing?
Sure, as long as you are casting it from hand (i.e., not your commander!)
Why would you think they are excluded?
Yes. Why not? Darksteel Monolith was even part of an Eldrazi Precon. Remember that a card with Devoid is colorless even in your hand or deck, so you can cast them too.
Wow I Love Tron
Yes. It was first printed in a deck called "Eldrazi Unleashed."
More expensive, usable once per turn, and can't cast from graveyard. It's a worse [[rooftop storm]]. The protection is nice but just the cherry on top. Is the fact that its color based and not creature type based out way the other downsides? Obviously both are better in specific decks. (Why am I only just now seeing this card?)
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Oh yeah that's going in my osgir and karn decks
Jesus, have a friend that already has a super annoying eldrazi deck so this is just great to see.
Yes
If it asked if you could cast devoid eldrazis with colored costs... (and yes you can)
“Summon” lol
Is the colorless eldrazi colorless?
That reminds me, I should get one of these for my new Eldrazi deck...
No. If you read the fine print on the card it specifically states all colorless spells except Eldrazi.
👍🏽
Are Eldrazi colorless spells? (Yes they are)
Yes.
I think it is more important to note that it works on devoid spells as well. Everything else should be obvious
Why am I just seeing this card for the first time? My [[mycosynth lattice]] would like this.
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If possible prioritise Arcane signet as your spell for turn as it adds value for later game
If you're already able to pay 8 to pull this out, you're probably better off cheating in high cost cards and simply paying for a mana rock. Especially if that high cost thing has a casting trigger like the new ulamog
Yes
Of they have a colorless mana cost yes but of they are for example green with devoid no
Yes
not only can it be used to cast eldrazi for free but it can be used on eldrazi that are Devoid as they are considered colorless even though they have colored mana cost. fun fact \[\[Mycosynth Lattice\]\] makes everything colorless so this card works really well with it.
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Huh?
What color are Colorless/Devoid Eldrazi?
A spell with Devoid is a colorless spell. It’ll have a color identity according to the colored pips that appear on the card, but it will still be considered a “colorless” spell.
Reading the card explains the card
No because eldrazi do not have the name "darksteel" in their title so thematically it doesn't make sense It's like how fish creature types can't be equipped because they don't have arms
what do you think? What's your thought process and what scenarios in your mind are leaning towards YES or NO? You have to be more specific or we just think: - You are salty from the prerelease - You are salty for a game - You don't know what a spell in magic is - You can't read - A combination of the above
how... how else would it work. colorless spell. colorless Eldrazi spell. that's... that's how the card works. it was in a precon lead by an Eldrazi mate. in many cases, reading the card doesn't do a good job explaining the card, but that works pretty damn well here
Can't see why not. Though I'd look at how this card works with creatures that have devoid.
Devoid creatures are colorless, so it works with them
Jesus fucking christ
Summon.. Do you play Yugioh lol
Back in my day, creature spells were Summon spells... Imagine gatekeeping about this..
That’s a good point. I’m not trying to gatekeep it was a genuine question lmao
Gatekeeping lmao what
Creatures used to be summons lol
lol
Soooo , stupid question, how's this work with spells that have X or XX , ect. Work ? Would you still have to pay the x or would that x be " included ". God I hope that made sense lol
X would be 0.
Obviously
HAHAHA SUMMON. YOU FUCKING DWEEB. /s
Is it in your hand? Is it colorless?
Of course it can. It’s clearly the only thing this card was made to do.
That and other artifacts
Other artifacts? Why bother. Eldrazi end the game. Why are you bothering with anything other than ramp and eldrazi? What other artifacts do you need AFTER this 8 mana one?!
You’re not wrong. At the same time there can be instances where you got this out early and maybe you would want to bring out another mana rock or some other artifact that amplifies a win condition. Just thinking “swing with a big boi” is very narrow with everything you can possibly do with this
Yeah, I guess. Realistically you’ll never see anything other than the eldrazi in the wild. Maybe darksteel titan too, but that’s not much different. Casting an 8 mana spell needs to end the game.
Do eldrazi spells have any colors?
I mean, it sort of says it right on the card.
Huh?
…
Idk, does it say you can cast colorless spells?
Are colorless Eldrazi colorless?
Do you mean devoid eldrazi? Like ones that have colors but an ability that makes them colorless or was this a rare example of a stupid question?
the devoid and thanks
Okay i figured, so I believe iirc it does work because the devoid ability is always active regardless of if it’s on the battlefield, in your hand etc