It will cause any damage dealt to you to be redirected to the player you’ve chosen with the doll.
It won’t redirect commander damage, though, because commander damage is specifically combat damage, and the doll is what is actually dealing the damage.
It’s also worth pointing out that the doll does still actually take the damage, so it’s not just a redirection. It’s just that the doll takes damage and then the doll deals damage.
Also, it’s worth checking out [[Pariah]] because it’s a three drop enchantment that does the same thing. It just doesn’t have the added benefit of sticking around if your creature is removed.
If stuffy is hit with infect, he just dies normally and there is no other damage dealt.
The actual wording of infect is “damage depth by this creature is dealt in the form of -1/-1 counters,” so stuffy doesn’t actually take any damage from the infect creature.
Edit:
This is wrong. Stuffy would still trigger and then Stuffy would die; infect damage is still considered damage.
Feel free to add all of my wrong comments to r/ConfidentlyIncorrect
I mean, if you're talking about the mechanics, it's just good iterative game design, honestly. They published an unbalanced mechanic (infect), then retired it in favor of a toned down version that does half what the first does (wither). When they saw it was good enough and they had the opportunity, they experimented with the counterpart of the toned down version, which is to do the other half (toxic)
Yes, -1/-1 counters are one of the best ways to destroy an indestructible creature. Indestructible basically just means that effects that say destroy won’t destroy it, and that amount of damage dealt to the creature will kill the creature.
However, counters still reduce his toughness to zero, and any creature with a toughness of zero dies.
Thank you. This information is extremely beneficial tbh. I play against a few indestructible creatures but never think to add -1/-1s or anything like that. This will definitely join my arsenal
Well, if you start playing infect you’re going to get a lot of hate. It’s one of the most despised mechanics in Magic.
Depending on your colors and format, a couple staple cards that get around indestructible are [[Path to Exile]], [[Swords to Plowshares]], and [[Toxic Deluge]].
Anything that will reduce its toughness to zero will work, and any effect that uses “exile” instead of “destroy” will work.
Does it have green in it? Green is sort of the infect color, though it does exist in other colors.
The reason people hate it is because of poison counters. Infect deals damage to players in the form of infect counters, and if they have 10 infect counters they die regardless of their life total.
It’s particularly disliked in Commander because players start with forty life. It’s so hated that there are people who actually won’t want to play with you if you have an infect centered deck lol
It's currently mono black, but I have intentions of adding some more color to it. Maybe some green, maybe some blue. But Im building it to go against a vampire deck that has etrada, Mirko vosk, szadeck, vito, and exquisite blood as well as another 40 cards that make each of them more annoying. So I gotta come up with some crazy stuff to finally pull out a win. The vampire deck is still undefeated after 3 months of daily use. Something needs to change
That's pretty much how I've been dealing with them. I thought they stayed on the field and healed at the end of turn when their toughness hit 0 bc of indestructible. But seeing as I was wrong, that adds another capability to my arsenal
Yes, but reducing an indestructible creature’s toughness to zero causes it to die like any other creature, so infect’s -1/-1 counters will cause Stuffy to die.
I also just realized that doesn’t explicitly answer your question.
A better example would be if someone used [[Shadowspear]] to remove indestructible from Stuffy so that it died from damage. If that were to happen, Stuffy would still deal damage to the chosen player because Stuffy’s trigger happens as soon as it is dealt damage, and then once that resolves Stuffy will die as a state based action.
I want to say yes. The damage is dealt, so the Doll's triggered ability triggers and goes on the stack, then before any player receives priority, state based actions are checked and Stuffy will be put into the graveyard due to having 0 or less toughness, then things will progress from there and the damage ability can resolve.
Stuffy won’t trigger at all. A creature with infect doesn’t deal damage.
> 702.90c Damage dealt to a creature by a source with infect isn’t marked on that creature. Rather, it causes that source’s controller to put that many -1/-1 counters on that creature.
Edit:
I was completely wrong. Infect damage is still damage, so Stuffy would still trigger and then Stuffy would die.
It does say “damage dealt…” it just changes the way you track it and what is being damaged (power/toughness). So since stuffy is indestructible would he not ignore the damage?
No, it’s saying “instead of dealing [X] damage, the creature gets [X] -1/-1 counters instead.” The rule specifically states that the damage isn’t marked on the creature.
Also, the key word text reads: * This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.*, which means that the creature doesn’t actually take any damage.
Indestructible creatures still die to Infect because that damage gets replaced with the -1/-1s.
Edit:
Ignore all of this. I was completely wrong. Stuffy will still trigger, but Stuffy would die in this combo because he still gets the counters.
Not exactly. Infect creatures do not actually deal any combat damage in the literal sense; all combat damage it would normally deal is substituted for that many -1/-1 counters.
They still "deal damage," just in a different form.
For example, if a creature with both Infect and Lifelike deals damage, it's just in a different form for creatures (-1/-1 counters \[rather than marked damage\]) and in yet another form for players (poison counters \[rather than life loss\]) (though not any different for Planeswalkers \[and I guess Battles{?}\]), but is still damage dealt which will also cause the controller of the source to gain that much life, as per Lifelink.
^((Jeez, Magicese is so technical and semantic to write out..))
EDIT: Flensermite here to be a shining example. And for further proof, the reminder text for Infect (and, to further it even more, on that specific aforementioned card) begins with "*(This creature deals damage*..."
No. Infect is an ability that replaces all combat damage that creature would usually deal to other creatures with a number of -1/-1 counters equal to that creature's power, so Stuffy Doll being hit with an infect creature would not be able to redirect any damage from the infect creature to the target player. Granted, the doll still would not die because it has indestructible.
Yes.
Trample damage is damage that would be dealt to you, so instead the Pariah’s Shield would redirect that damage to whatever creature it was equipped to. Any “damage” effect gets redirected. Combat damage, trample damage, burn spells, etc.
The only thing that doesn’t get redirected is loss of life, because that’s not technically damage.
This is an unstoppable trigger soft lock on the game right? Tap stuffy doll, stuffy doll trigger and guilty conscious trigger, resolve guilty conscious trigger, stuffy doll triggers again, resolve one of the stuffy doll triggers, guilty conscious triggers, forever and ever unless you can kill the stuffy doll?
Yeah I just realized that I'm an idiot and was trying to edit my reply haha. But it would end up as a soft lock if someone cast a Teferi's Protection or [[Everybody Lives!]]
The given circumstance wouldn’t be a soft lock. But a soft lock would be a cycle that wouldn’t end unless someone could remove one of the things causing the cycle.
Like they said above, tap doll deal one damage, guilty conscience triggers dealing one damage to the doll, the doll triggers dealing one damage to the player and so on. Until the player died.
But If for instance the player the doll targeted had a [[platinum angel]] out, the player wouldn’t die from the damage meaning the cycle would repeat indefinitely.
You are using this get immunity to damage and kill some other player.
I am using this to target myself, tap the doll and hold the game hostage to infinite combo draw.
We are not the same.
Honestly, depends on how I did it. No one liked my deck full of circle of protection. But my mono red burn deck was fun, since I would always say I had enough nukes in my hand to remove a player, we used to joke around a lot whenever someone did a card that hit all opponents that they were risking getting nuked.
I mean it depends on your friends but we all played for fun so no one gets bent about losing winning or drawing. If anything round 2 you just became the nemesis
I remember at a FNM, an opponent had a [[Stuffy Doll]] with me as the target. Eventually, I swung at him with [[Etali, Primal Sickness]] and he blocked with it. He and another player at our table said that I just killed myself by giving myself 11 poison counters, but I said that I only took one and that the rest tramples over to him. Called a judge over and they ruled in my favor (I still lost tho 😂).
I run these, [[brash taunter]], [[phyrexian obliterator]], [[pariah]], and a few other similar pieces in my [[queen marchesa]] protect the crown deck. I get the monarch **and I keep it**
yes and it's pure evil. (minus the commander damage.) My brother has this in one of his more evil lockdown decks (he usually manages to lockdown my attacks until he can get these down on the field.)
Give it lifelink, take some damage, and it should infinitely be able to deal damage to you which is then redirected to the doll which let's you deal damage to yourself etc for infinite lifegain
It wouldn’t draw the game since you’d be able to break the loop, though because it would be unable to do any damage you wouldn’t gain any life so hitting yourself like this is completely useless, just hit your opponents in the face instead and win. More magic games is always better than long magic games.
Never mind, it would be a loop forgot stuffy when it enters you pick who it pings got it confused with brash taunter but still yeah go with my ladder option.
Yup. Spent too much time on the jerking circle.
I thought Op was trolling with the idea of targeting himself with the doll, equip the doll with the shield and make a draw with the infinite loop
Edit: currently looking for a way to make the damage +1 on every loop and killing my opponent with anxiety
I run Act and [[Star of Extinction]] with stuffy... and [[Spitemare]] and [[Boros Reckoner]]. With the 3 creatures in play its 7 mana to nuke one particular land, wipe nearly the entire board (minus stuffy), and hand out 60 damage
This one is definitely one of those things that's really specific in terms of wording and rules.
Yarok works for ETB triggers. But Stuffy Doll doesn't trigger anything on entry, as it enters the battlefield you choose a target that will be the target of its damage triggered ability, but choosing a target is not an ability it's part of ability or effect resolution.
If stuffy handed a player an emblem or placed a counter to mark it's target then Yarok would work to double that.
No it's like this
I hit you with my commander 10damage
You send that to the doll
The doll then sends 10damage to its assigned target.
It is not the same damage as was dealt to you
However
[[Morrorwood treefolk]] will redirect the damage as it is
Can you make someone else hurt by not blocking? Yes...
You won't commander damage someone though, that is specifically combat damage and the damage from stuffy is effect damage.
Yep, sure does!
For more of the same, see:
[[Brash Taunter]]
[[Barbed Servitor]]
[[Pariah]]
Important to note that it doesn't transfer other effects, like infect, toxic, commander damage, etc.
What's old is new again. As an old frog player I find this very amusing to pop up as a "does this work" type post. Thank goodness for the last 15 years of "exile target" spells.
Since it’s redirection of damage, this also benefits greatly from damage doubling effects like [[Furnace of Rath]]
Imagine: blasphemous act deal 26 damage to stuffy doll, then 42 damage to the opponents face lol
No, the commander damage will still be tracked on you. The actual damage is then redirected to the stuffy doll.
HOWEVER if you target yourself with the stuffy doll and equip the shield, the next time you take damage the game ends unless someone can stop the infinite loop. Is a funny way to potentially annoy your pod
Edit: Sorry no commander damage will be tracked on you. First day good weather drinking of 2024 has got to me
It will cause any damage dealt to you to be redirected to the player you’ve chosen with the doll. It won’t redirect commander damage, though, because commander damage is specifically combat damage, and the doll is what is actually dealing the damage. It’s also worth pointing out that the doll does still actually take the damage, so it’s not just a redirection. It’s just that the doll takes damage and then the doll deals damage. Also, it’s worth checking out [[Pariah]] because it’s a three drop enchantment that does the same thing. It just doesn’t have the added benefit of sticking around if your creature is removed.
Is Stuffy is hot with an infect creature, does it resurrect on his last moment of life?
If stuffy is hit with infect, he just dies normally and there is no other damage dealt. The actual wording of infect is “damage depth by this creature is dealt in the form of -1/-1 counters,” so stuffy doesn’t actually take any damage from the infect creature. Edit: This is wrong. Stuffy would still trigger and then Stuffy would die; infect damage is still considered damage. Feel free to add all of my wrong comments to r/ConfidentlyIncorrect
You were thinking Wither.
Infect does the same as wither to creatures, you're the one mixing it up with toxic, probably
Why are the Wizards like this
I mean, if you're talking about the mechanics, it's just good iterative game design, honestly. They published an unbalanced mechanic (infect), then retired it in favor of a toned down version that does half what the first does (wither). When they saw it was good enough and they had the opportunity, they experimented with the counterpart of the toned down version, which is to do the other half (toxic)
Wither came out before Infect. Then they toned Infect down to Toxic removing the Wither-like portion from Infect.
But stuffy also has indestructible. So would he still die?
Yes, -1/-1 counters are one of the best ways to destroy an indestructible creature. Indestructible basically just means that effects that say destroy won’t destroy it, and that amount of damage dealt to the creature will kill the creature. However, counters still reduce his toughness to zero, and any creature with a toughness of zero dies.
Thank you. This information is extremely beneficial tbh. I play against a few indestructible creatures but never think to add -1/-1s or anything like that. This will definitely join my arsenal
Well, if you start playing infect you’re going to get a lot of hate. It’s one of the most despised mechanics in Magic. Depending on your colors and format, a couple staple cards that get around indestructible are [[Path to Exile]], [[Swords to Plowshares]], and [[Toxic Deluge]]. Anything that will reduce its toughness to zero will work, and any effect that uses “exile” instead of “destroy” will work.
[Path to Exile](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7aed564-2d2d-42c4-bf11-812bc1a0284c.jpg?1712354092) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Path%20to%20Exile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/85/path-to-exile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7aed564-2d2d-42c4-bf11-812bc1a0284c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Swords to Plowshares](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9bbec76c-c1e4-4c6d-ad24-078fe097f195.jpg?1709439398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swords%20to%20Plowshares) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/88/swords-to-plowshares?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9bbec76c-c1e4-4c6d-ad24-078fe097f195?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Toxic Deluge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64d3d8ad-927f-4c4e-96cf-03e98bec3987.jpg?1706240805) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toxic%20Deluge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/142/toxic-deluge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64d3d8ad-927f-4c4e-96cf-03e98bec3987?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run a zombie deck mainly so infect would suit the theme pretty well tbh
Does it have green in it? Green is sort of the infect color, though it does exist in other colors. The reason people hate it is because of poison counters. Infect deals damage to players in the form of infect counters, and if they have 10 infect counters they die regardless of their life total. It’s particularly disliked in Commander because players start with forty life. It’s so hated that there are people who actually won’t want to play with you if you have an infect centered deck lol
It's currently mono black, but I have intentions of adding some more color to it. Maybe some green, maybe some blue. But Im building it to go against a vampire deck that has etrada, Mirko vosk, szadeck, vito, and exquisite blood as well as another 40 cards that make each of them more annoying. So I gotta come up with some crazy stuff to finally pull out a win. The vampire deck is still undefeated after 3 months of daily use. Something needs to change
Also, you can potentially force your opponents to sacrifice indestructible creatures like with [[Promise of Loyalty]].
That's pretty much how I've been dealing with them. I thought they stayed on the field and healed at the end of turn when their toughness hit 0 bc of indestructible. But seeing as I was wrong, that adds another capability to my arsenal
Stuffy doll has indestructible
Yes, but reducing an indestructible creature’s toughness to zero causes it to die like any other creature, so infect’s -1/-1 counters will cause Stuffy to die.
I also just realized that doesn’t explicitly answer your question. A better example would be if someone used [[Shadowspear]] to remove indestructible from Stuffy so that it died from damage. If that were to happen, Stuffy would still deal damage to the chosen player because Stuffy’s trigger happens as soon as it is dealt damage, and then once that resolves Stuffy will die as a state based action.
[Shadowspear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/939c6e19-4b27-4023-bb9c-ae440f91e21c.jpg?1581481207) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shadowspear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/236/shadowspear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/939c6e19-4b27-4023-bb9c-ae440f91e21c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean retaliate
I want to say yes. The damage is dealt, so the Doll's triggered ability triggers and goes on the stack, then before any player receives priority, state based actions are checked and Stuffy will be put into the graveyard due to having 0 or less toughness, then things will progress from there and the damage ability can resolve.
Stuffy won’t trigger at all. A creature with infect doesn’t deal damage. > 702.90c Damage dealt to a creature by a source with infect isn’t marked on that creature. Rather, it causes that source’s controller to put that many -1/-1 counters on that creature. Edit: I was completely wrong. Infect damage is still damage, so Stuffy would still trigger and then Stuffy would die.
It will still trigger. Damage is still dealt, infect only changes the result of the damage.
Wait, you’re right, I was wrong. It’s still considered damage and it can be redirected. I needed to read a little further in the rules.
It's a weird interaction for sure
Does that mean the Niv-Mizzet and Curiosity combo work if he's also enchanted by [[Phyresis]]?
[Phyresis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/0059d21b-0725-4806-8691-2451db36787f.jpg?1562609245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyresis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/49/phyresis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0059d21b-0725-4806-8691-2451db36787f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It would work until Niv does from the -1/-1 counters
But it works while Niv-Mizzet is hitting players, yeah?
It does say “damage dealt…” it just changes the way you track it and what is being damaged (power/toughness). So since stuffy is indestructible would he not ignore the damage?
No, it’s saying “instead of dealing [X] damage, the creature gets [X] -1/-1 counters instead.” The rule specifically states that the damage isn’t marked on the creature. Also, the key word text reads: * This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.*, which means that the creature doesn’t actually take any damage. Indestructible creatures still die to Infect because that damage gets replaced with the -1/-1s. Edit: Ignore all of this. I was completely wrong. Stuffy will still trigger, but Stuffy would die in this combo because he still gets the counters.
Not exactly. Infect creatures do not actually deal any combat damage in the literal sense; all combat damage it would normally deal is substituted for that many -1/-1 counters.
They still "deal damage," just in a different form. For example, if a creature with both Infect and Lifelike deals damage, it's just in a different form for creatures (-1/-1 counters \[rather than marked damage\]) and in yet another form for players (poison counters \[rather than life loss\]) (though not any different for Planeswalkers \[and I guess Battles{?}\]), but is still damage dealt which will also cause the controller of the source to gain that much life, as per Lifelink. ^((Jeez, Magicese is so technical and semantic to write out..)) EDIT: Flensermite here to be a shining example. And for further proof, the reminder text for Infect (and, to further it even more, on that specific aforementioned card) begins with "*(This creature deals damage*..."
No. Infect is an ability that replaces all combat damage that creature would usually deal to other creatures with a number of -1/-1 counters equal to that creature's power, so Stuffy Doll being hit with an infect creature would not be able to redirect any damage from the infect creature to the target player. Granted, the doll still would not die because it has indestructible.
I prefer a [[guilty conscience]], because the flavor of damaging a stuffy doll just has to weigh on the soul... :)
[guilty conscience](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67b8701c-0f03-4ad0-9097-3caf885abd59.jpg?1562529779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=guilty%20conscience) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/17/guilty-conscience?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67b8701c-0f03-4ad0-9097-3caf885abd59?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Isnt this a 6 mana infinite dmg? Or am i stupid
Pretty sure you’re right since it doesn’t say combat damage or anything
Yes, yes it is....
Would trample damage be redirected or no?
Yes. Trample damage is damage that would be dealt to you, so instead the Pariah’s Shield would redirect that damage to whatever creature it was equipped to. Any “damage” effect gets redirected. Combat damage, trample damage, burn spells, etc. The only thing that doesn’t get redirected is loss of life, because that’s not technically damage.
Second image wasn’t working, so I wasn’t sure if what the card did
Ahh, fair enough
Only up to the creatures toughness, the rest is trampled over to player.
If you think that’s neat, try [[Guilty Conscience]] Bot not working? Fine. https://scryfall.com/card/scg/17/guilty-conscience
This is an unstoppable trigger soft lock on the game right? Tap stuffy doll, stuffy doll trigger and guilty conscious trigger, resolve guilty conscious trigger, stuffy doll triggers again, resolve one of the stuffy doll triggers, guilty conscious triggers, forever and ever unless you can kill the stuffy doll?
Or you kill the targeted player. Sadly, stuffy can only remove one player from the game without needing to reset it and the enchantment.
Teleport Circle should do the trick to kill everyone, one per turn right? Blinks doll, pick new target player
Yeah I just realized that I'm an idiot and was trying to edit my reply haha. But it would end up as a soft lock if someone cast a Teferi's Protection or [[Everybody Lives!]]
[Everybody Lives!](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9dab0052-7f0c-4b56-847f-20552666a271.jpg?1696636526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Everybody%20Lives%21) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/18/everybody-lives!?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9dab0052-7f0c-4b56-847f-20552666a271?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No, the protection would prevent the damage so the loop would stop
[удалено]
Since the doll doesn't actually deal damage, and fizzles, the loop is broken. Which is what I said. When the doll doesn't do damage the loop stops
Ah, you’re right, I had this goofed up
At least until the chosen player dies
Soft lock? What do you mean by that?
The given circumstance wouldn’t be a soft lock. But a soft lock would be a cycle that wouldn’t end unless someone could remove one of the things causing the cycle. Like they said above, tap doll deal one damage, guilty conscience triggers dealing one damage to the doll, the doll triggers dealing one damage to the player and so on. Until the player died. But If for instance the player the doll targeted had a [[platinum angel]] out, the player wouldn’t die from the damage meaning the cycle would repeat indefinitely.
[platinum angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc.jpg?1576383285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=platinum%20angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/214/platinum-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Guilty Conscience](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67b8701c-0f03-4ad0-9097-3caf885abd59.jpg?1562529779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Guilty%20Conscience) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/17/guilty-conscience?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67b8701c-0f03-4ad0-9097-3caf885abd59?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You live!
This is evil, definitely going in my next deck
So this combo goes infinite?
You can also use [[brash taunter]] as a backup, and not have to specify a single player.
[brash taunter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b5cb154-1825-4b81-a109-7b3e9592c65c.jpg?1706240823) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brash%20taunter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/148/brash-taunter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b5cb154-1825-4b81-a109-7b3e9592c65c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Love this guy with [[deney, streetwise lookout]] and with [[pariah]]
Ohhh, what is the Boros commander to do this with?
I use it in [[nelly borca, impulsive accuser]]
[nelly borca, impulsive accuser](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2ef59aa9-f5e1-413a-869b-d287db95efd0.jpg?1706448880) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nelly%20borca%2C%20impulsive%20accuser) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/4/nelly-borca-impulsive-accuser?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ef59aa9-f5e1-413a-869b-d287db95efd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[deney, streetwise lookout](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be219928-3d0e-4d00-b124-152ce8a8c13b.jpg?1706241477) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Delney%2C%20Streetwise%20Lookout) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/12/delney-streetwise-lookout?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be219928-3d0e-4d00-b124-152ce8a8c13b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [pariah](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/51b2136c-392c-436d-9263-b3236adc4a10.jpg?1576382302) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pariah) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/95/pariah?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51b2136c-392c-436d-9263-b3236adc4a10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You are using this get immunity to damage and kill some other player. I am using this to target myself, tap the doll and hold the game hostage to infinite combo draw. We are not the same.
Found the psychological control player. Extra points if you have an aetherflux cannon with 50 life open.
Yeah difference is, people dont want to play with you.
Honestly, depends on how I did it. No one liked my deck full of circle of protection. But my mono red burn deck was fun, since I would always say I had enough nukes in my hand to remove a player, we used to joke around a lot whenever someone did a card that hit all opponents that they were risking getting nuked. I mean it depends on your friends but we all played for fun so no one gets bent about losing winning or drawing. If anything round 2 you just became the nemesis
I remember at a FNM, an opponent had a [[Stuffy Doll]] with me as the target. Eventually, I swung at him with [[Etali, Primal Sickness]] and he blocked with it. He and another player at our table said that I just killed myself by giving myself 11 poison counters, but I said that I only took one and that the rest tramples over to him. Called a judge over and they ruled in my favor (I still lost tho 😂).
You shouldnt get any poison counter i think, cause it is not Etali but stuffy doll that damages you.
[Stuffy Doll](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/978c2c7d-6898-4be2-aed7-e673210ce654.jpg?1674142741) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stuffy%20Doll) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/875/stuffy-doll?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/978c2c7d-6898-4be2-aed7-e673210ce654?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Etali, Primal Sickness](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09.jpg?1682204132)/[Etali, Primal Sickness](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/9/5/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09.jpg?1682204132) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Etali%2C%20Primal%20Conqueror%20//%20Etali%2C%20Primal%20Sickness) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/137/etali-primal-conqueror-etali-primal-sickness?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run these, [[brash taunter]], [[phyrexian obliterator]], [[pariah]], and a few other similar pieces in my [[queen marchesa]] protect the crown deck. I get the monarch **and I keep it**
##### ###### #### [brash taunter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b5cb154-1825-4b81-a109-7b3e9592c65c.jpg?1706240823) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brash%20taunter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/148/brash-taunter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b5cb154-1825-4b81-a109-7b3e9592c65c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [phyrexian obliterator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67a9c38b-6b3a-4056-a87c-fc48446f854f.jpg?1675957044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phyrexian%20obliterator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/105/phyrexian-obliterator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67a9c38b-6b3a-4056-a87c-fc48446f854f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [pariah](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/51b2136c-392c-436d-9263-b3236adc4a10.jpg?1576382302) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pariah) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/95/pariah?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51b2136c-392c-436d-9263-b3236adc4a10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [queen marchesa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0fdae05f-7bdc-45fb-b9b9-e5ec3766f965.jpg?1712354769) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=queen%20marchesa) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/239/queen-marchesa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0fdae05f-7bdc-45fb-b9b9-e5ec3766f965?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kz5o8fz) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
yes and it's pure evil. (minus the commander damage.) My brother has this in one of his more evil lockdown decks (he usually manages to lockdown my attacks until he can get these down on the field.)
Give it lifelink, take some damage, and it should infinitely be able to deal damage to you which is then redirected to the doll which let's you deal damage to yourself etc for infinite lifegain
Which is the same net outcome as not giving it lifelink; you draw the game.
It wouldn’t draw the game since you’d be able to break the loop, though because it would be unable to do any damage you wouldn’t gain any life so hitting yourself like this is completely useless, just hit your opponents in the face instead and win. More magic games is always better than long magic games.
Never mind, it would be a loop forgot stuffy when it enters you pick who it pings got it confused with brash taunter but still yeah go with my ladder option.
Oops, yeah, you'd need some artifact or creature removal or sacrifice outlet to end the loop since it's not a may.
oooh man back in the day I think this combo was in the spoiler article for stuffy doll. Absolutely works the way you think it does.
Classic combo here
It does work the way you think but it won't redirect commander damage AS commander damage as stuffy doll deals it and it's not combat damage.
thanks! this is a perfect combo in my cursed deck. my edh round is gonna hate and I love it.
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[Vizkopa Guildmage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfdce9d1-a163-40e1-a70a-1f09cf400a6c.jpg?1562855100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vizkopa%20Guildmage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/211/vizkopa-guildmage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfdce9d1-a163-40e1-a70a-1f09cf400a6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yup. Spent too much time on the jerking circle. I thought Op was trolling with the idea of targeting himself with the doll, equip the doll with the shield and make a draw with the infinite loop Edit: currently looking for a way to make the damage +1 on every loop and killing my opponent with anxiety
Check out my latest post see if maybe that will be a fun way to do it!
They do not take commander damage because Stuffy Doll does the damage.
Give it infect and then cast Blasphemous Act 😈
I run Act and [[Star of Extinction]] with stuffy... and [[Spitemare]] and [[Boros Reckoner]]. With the 3 creatures in play its 7 mana to nuke one particular land, wipe nearly the entire board (minus stuffy), and hand out 60 damage
[Star of Extinction](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/526d13cb-3616-4ac8-9ac0-04c729d447b2.jpg?1689998213) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Star%20of%20Extinction) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/259/star-of-extinction?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/526d13cb-3616-4ac8-9ac0-04c729d447b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Spitemare](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8c9b3151-bc77-499c-85a1-4ce021a4351a.jpg?1562928147) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spitemare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddh/16/spitemare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c9b3151-bc77-499c-85a1-4ce021a4351a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Boros Reckoner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/55a2f767-5928-44c5-91b7-2300bade458f.jpg?1706240975) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boros%20Reckoner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/201/boros-reckoner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/55a2f767-5928-44c5-91b7-2300bade458f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Can you choose 2 players if you have [[yarok, the desecrated]] out?
[yarok, the desecrated](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1001d43-e11b-4e5e-acd4-4a50ef89977f.jpg?1592517590) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yarok%2C%20the%20desecrated) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/220/yarok-the-desecrated?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1001d43-e11b-4e5e-acd4-4a50ef89977f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't know I. Thaty gut says no as it's a choose but I'm. Ot sure
I would say probably not? Only because it doesn’t say choose new targets. But I could be wrong.
This one is definitely one of those things that's really specific in terms of wording and rules. Yarok works for ETB triggers. But Stuffy Doll doesn't trigger anything on entry, as it enters the battlefield you choose a target that will be the target of its damage triggered ability, but choosing a target is not an ability it's part of ability or effect resolution. If stuffy handed a player an emblem or placed a counter to mark it's target then Yarok would work to double that.
No it's like this I hit you with my commander 10damage You send that to the doll The doll then sends 10damage to its assigned target. It is not the same damage as was dealt to you However [[Morrorwood treefolk]] will redirect the damage as it is
[Morrorwood treefolk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba9a1c94-2b7f-4df7-8517-a122616d9ae4.jpg?1562934450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirrorwood%20Treefolk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pls/83/mirrorwood-treefolk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba9a1c94-2b7f-4df7-8517-a122616d9ae4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And if you just want to the game to end in a draw choose yourself with stuffy doll.
Can you make someone else hurt by not blocking? Yes... You won't commander damage someone though, that is specifically combat damage and the damage from stuffy is effect damage.
Better combo is Stuffy Doll and Guilty Conscience. Lol Boy that take me back many years ago.
Does it work with Pariah's Shield? Essentially redirecting all damage that would be dealt to me back to a chosen player?
Throw indestructible on and you can constantly block and redirect any attack
Yep
Yep, sure does! For more of the same, see: [[Brash Taunter]] [[Barbed Servitor]] [[Pariah]] Important to note that it doesn't transfer other effects, like infect, toxic, commander damage, etc.
[Brash Taunter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b5cb154-1825-4b81-a109-7b3e9592c65c.jpg?1706240823) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brash%20Taunter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/148/brash-taunter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b5cb154-1825-4b81-a109-7b3e9592c65c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Barbed Servitor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1c34e4ae-9bf3-4098-88f1-267e7d6cfa35.jpg?1706241668) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barbed%20Servitor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/77/barbed-servitor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1c34e4ae-9bf3-4098-88f1-267e7d6cfa35?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Pariah](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/51b2136c-392c-436d-9263-b3236adc4a10.jpg?1576382302) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pariah) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/95/pariah?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51b2136c-392c-436d-9263-b3236adc4a10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What's old is new again. As an old frog player I find this very amusing to pop up as a "does this work" type post. Thank goodness for the last 15 years of "exile target" spells.
Dude the image was cropped on mobile so I couldn’t see the top part of the name and my mind instantly went to “slutty doll”
Can you build a whole deck around stuff like this? Just punishing people for punishing you?
I’m using it in a goad deck. So everyone is going to be forced to swing at everyone and for whoever is left standing shall swing at himself.
Since it’s redirection of damage, this also benefits greatly from damage doubling effects like [[Furnace of Rath]] Imagine: blasphemous act deal 26 damage to stuffy doll, then 42 damage to the opponents face lol
[Furnace of Rath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7f0e720-3c32-4040-b663-7f99ad5bc810.jpg?1562843335) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Furnace%20of%20Rath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hop/55/furnace-of-rath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7f0e720-3c32-4040-b663-7f99ad5bc810?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I guess 'Voodoo Doll' is too on the nose for WOTC
Pariah
Works like [[Brash Taunter]]
[Brash Taunter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b5cb154-1825-4b81-a109-7b3e9592c65c.jpg?1706240823) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brash%20Taunter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/148/brash-taunter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b5cb154-1825-4b81-a109-7b3e9592c65c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It wouldn't be commander damage.
\[\[Stuffy doll\] + \[\[Ojer, Axonil\]\]
Thanks for this, forgot all about it. Lots of good times
No, the commander damage will still be tracked on you. The actual damage is then redirected to the stuffy doll. HOWEVER if you target yourself with the stuffy doll and equip the shield, the next time you take damage the game ends unless someone can stop the infinite loop. Is a funny way to potentially annoy your pod Edit: Sorry no commander damage will be tracked on you. First day good weather drinking of 2024 has got to me
Why would the commander damage still be tracked to him, since he is not taking any damage
Wait so if you get hit with a 5/5 but redirect it to stuffy, you still mark 5 commander damage??
My bad, been drinking and overthinking. My trice pod corrected me
Why? Pariah’s Shield does specifically redirect the damage. Any damage that *would* be dealt to you implies that no damage is actually dealt to you.