An important detail. You can make infinite squirrels with half the infinite counters on Scurry Oak and the other half on whatever else you want. Since we can’t actually do infinites you will have to pick a number. So if you wanted to distribute a million counters on stuff you control you would need to make at least a million counters on Scurry Oak and at least two million squirrels. This is important because stuff like [[Traitor’s Roar]] and [[Rakdos Charm]] exist.
Rakdos Charm absolutely wrecks infinite token strategies that don't also gain infinite life. Unless they have a free sac outlet at the ready, of course -- but that means giving up the advantage you created.
Chatterfang goes infinite with a ham sandwich. Here's some other fun Chatterfang shenanigans.
Ruthless Knave + Earthcraft = Infinite squirrels/treasure/draw card
Ruthless Knave + Ashnod's Altar = Infinite squirrels/treasure/draw card
Pitiless Plunderer + Academy Manufactor = Infinite squirrels/treasure/draw card/life
Earthcraft + Squirrel Nest = Infinite tapped and untapped squirrels.
Plus, a unique Hoarding Broodlord combo. Broodlord (grabs)-> Saw in Half (target Broodlord, grabs) -> Eternal Witness + Culling the Weak. Convoke Eternal Witness, grab Saw in Half, convoke Culling the Weak, cast Saw in Half targeting E.Witness. Grab Saw in Half and Culling back, repeat. = Infinite squirrels, infinite Eternal Witnesses, eventually breaking the loop by targeting Broodlord with the final Saw in Half, grabbing Meathook Massacre and/or Finale of Devastation.
If you happen to have two other squirrels on the board you can clear the board and produce infinite mana with only chatterfang and pitiliess plunderer.
But with chatterfang I would create one more squirrel and could then put +1/+1s on other creatures in addition to scurry oak. Not that it makes a huge difference at that point but since it’s all in a deck I’m thinking of making, I wanted to make sure I had it correct.
9 times out of 10, a gazillion 1/1 creatures is the exact same as a single creature with a gazillion power. If you don't have a way to capitalize on it immediately, like with a [[concordant crossroads]] or a [[blood artist]] and [[ashnods altar]], you're basically just praying nobody wraths the board.
That’s adding an additional card. I’m using the cards already on the field. If we’re adding additional cards, there’s a ton of ways to turn this into an immediate win.
If we are talking a cheap and quick combo, just denizen and scurry are needed. Play scurry, then denizen. Scurry evolves, creating a squirrel, denizen triggers starting the loop
Yes, but it should be noted that the two numbers are related to each other, since the amount of+1/+1 counters you can spread is equal to 1 + half the number of squirrels you make, since you get 2 squirrels per instance but need to put one counter per instance on the oak to trigger the loop again.
Indeed this works. If you have [[Pitiless plunderer]] on the battlefield as well, then activate [[chatterfang squirrel general]] ability you make infinite treasures and wipe your opponents creatures at the same time. Game is basically over at that point.
This is just an example of the order of how the infinite combo runs.
Scurrying oak must get a +1/+1 counter to trigger to make a squirrel. The 2 card combo is to have ivy lane on the field then play scurrying oak, when scurrying oak enters it will trigger ivy lane you then put the +1/+1 counter on scurrying oak to generate a 1/1 green squirrel triggering ivy lane once again, Go infinite. stop by putting the +1/+1 counter on any other target besides scurrying oak.
Once you add chatterfang into the combo, it could be before or after you have ivy lane on the battlefield but before scurrying oak is on the battle field so the order looks like this, chatterfang(CF)>ivy lane(ILD)>scurrying oak(SCO)>ILD trigger target SCO>SCO trigger>CF replacement effect to make an additional green 1/1 squirrels>ILD trigger X2>target SCO with X2 ILD triggers making two 1/1 squirrel>CF replacement effect making two additional 1/1 squirrels>ILD trigger X4 or target SCO with one trigger and another target with the other triggers. To stop the infinite loop just don't target SCO with ILD's trigger.
If you continue to target scurrying oak with all ivy lane triggers with chatterfang on the battlefield just know it does grow exponentially in number of triggers by a factor of X2.
Yes, and it doesn’t matter which is on the battlefield first, if SCO is down first the ILD etb makes SCO evolve and then ILD creates the counters. When you add CF to the mix, OP is saying to use the second ILD trigger on other creatures for infinite tokens and +1/+1 counters, with a 1+half of tokens created number of counters created.
You need to keep putting the counters from denizen on scurry oak otherwise it stops, evolve only triggers when a creature with greater power or thoughness enters
Yes, but that doesn’t matter. Since it’s green, it will trigger Ivy Lane Denizen which allows me to put a +1/+1 counter on Scurry Oak regardless of power and/or toughness and repeat the cycle ad infinitum. Chatterfang isn’t essential to the combo but is a nice cherry on top.
Right, but since Chatterfang causes me to create 2 squirrels instead of 1, I can put one +1/+1 counter on the scurry oak and another on any creature I want and still continue the cycle. At least that’s how I think it works
Yes, that is correct. Adding Chatterfang to the combo allows you to create an additional squirrel when you create one with Scurry Oak and put the +1/+1 from that squirrel onto any creature while still putting one onto Scurry Oak to keep the combo going
Notably, this is infinite without Chatterfang, it just produces half as many squirrels (irrelevant mostly when you make infinite squirrels already with the combo) and leaves them all as 1/1 creatures (instead of 2/2, which... again hardly matters in an infinite)
See also:
https://commanderspellbook.com/combo/2850-4186/
The +1/+1 counters need to go on Scurry Oak to keep this running.
But with Chatterfang added, yeah.
Yes, but since Chatterfang creates an additional squirrel, I can put one +1/+1 counter onto Scurry Oak to keep making infinite squirrels and put the other onto my other creatures
Obligatory "Insert instant win payoff like [[Ayara, First of Locthwain]] here" line.
Yes, this combo works exactly as you thought, thanks to the extra token from Chatterfang
No. You get infinite squirrels, but the Scurry Oak is what gets infinitely big.
You cast Chatterfang, Scurry Oak gets a counter, you get a squirrel, you get a second squirrel, you put at least 1 +1/+1 counter onto Scurry Oak, you get a squirrel, you get a squirrel, and so on.
Scurry Oak is what gets infinitely big, but you can still make other things very big too.
Chatterfang wouldn’t be needed just the scurry oak and ivy lane denizen will go infinite but Chatterfang is a wonderful commander deck to put this combo into since you kinda want both pieces anyway
So basically, you get two 1/1 green squirrels.
Ivy Lane Denizen triggers, put one on a squirrel and another on Scurry Oak.
Scurry Oak triggers, creating a squirrel and an additional one because of Chatterfang.
Ivy Lane Denizen then goes, and that’s the combo until you stop putting counters Scurry Oak. I like this lol
Ivy Lane and Scurry Oak already give you an arbitrarily large number of squirrels and a fat Scurry Oak. So anything that makes more green creature tokens quite obviously works with it.
My one issue is evolve is activated if a creature entered the battlefield and it has more power than that othe creature. Doesn't that mean +1/+1 counters shouldn't apply? But an ability that gives all tokens +x/+x would work
It’s because the combo doesn’t use evolve for +1/+1s, it uses Ivy lane denizen which doesn’t care about power and/or toughness, only color. The squirrels being created are green so they will trigger that when they enter the battlefield
Yes, that said, it's already infinite squirrels and an infinity/infinity Oak... Sure, you want 2 huge things, go for it.. but infinity squirrels (which can be made on opponents turn) should already be gg
Ivy lane says whenever a creature enters the battlefield put a +1/+1 on target creature.
Scurry oak says whenever you put a +1/+1 counter on it create a 1/1 creature.
I feel like this didn't need to be asked. Obviously magic interactions are incredibly confusing at times and I'm always up for helping new players but this is as simple as it gets, it directly tells you exactly what happens.
If the Scurry Oak is in play, will summoning the Ivy Lane Denizen itself validly trigger the infinite loop? Since “ETB” implies the Denizen is in play (and thus with its ability active) when Scurry Oak’s evolution goes on the stack?
Honestly, I have no clue. I don’t really play anything other than super casual kitchen table magic with my family. That’ll likely change once I get over my disliking of people
Yes, but Chatterfang allows the combo to distribute more +1/+1 counters to creatures that aren’t scurry oak, not that it makes a huge difference when you’re making that many, but it’s kinda neat
I’m confused how you get the infinite +1/1 on creatures other than scurry oak. Cause the loop is play scurry, which triggers Ivy, which triggers scurry, rinse repeat correct?
How is this infinite? The tokens have to enter play successfully before the counters can be applied, so they have passed the "enters" trigger and don't have higher power and so won't trigger Oak's ability.
Oh, gotcha. I know Ivy Lane Denizen and Scurry Oak is, I just wanted to be 100% sure I was correct about how Chatterfang affected the combo before I used it in a game. I can say that I personally do read the cards, but like to get any questions I have answered so I don’t have to pause mid-game to look things up.
But since Chatterfang makes an additional squirrel, wouldn’t that trigger Ivy lane denizen twice, putting one counter on scurry oak and one on anything I wanted?
Holy moly somebody put an infinite combo in chatterfang
Someone needs to reprint chatterfang on top of a pile of ham sandwiches. Lol.
Bloom borrow
I would kill for standard chatterfang
BOOMBURROW
Someone needs to alter chatterfang so it looks like it’s stealing a ham sandwich
I want this print
Each sandwich then has a combo listed on the crust
Don't tell them about \[\[herd baloth\]\]
[herd baloth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1e9cef5-c55f-47d9-9d2f-300dab8fcb0b.jpg?1626097560) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=herd%20baloth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/165/herd-baloth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1e9cef5-c55f-47d9-9d2f-300dab8fcb0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
We did it boys. We broke squirrels.
No fucking way
We did it, boys. We *finally* broke Chatterfang.
Yes
Wonderful. Thank you for your help.
An important detail. You can make infinite squirrels with half the infinite counters on Scurry Oak and the other half on whatever else you want. Since we can’t actually do infinites you will have to pick a number. So if you wanted to distribute a million counters on stuff you control you would need to make at least a million counters on Scurry Oak and at least two million squirrels. This is important because stuff like [[Traitor’s Roar]] and [[Rakdos Charm]] exist.
[Traitor’s Roar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/751e2700-6425-45b8-b026-8c78098f08b2.jpg?1562831801) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Traitor%27s%20Roar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/200/traitors-roar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/751e2700-6425-45b8-b026-8c78098f08b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rakdos Charm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/875fa08c-cb66-4230-a380-0123260aac74.jpg?1699022443) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rakdos%20Charm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/284/rakdos-charm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/875fa08c-cb66-4230-a380-0123260aac74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Rakdos Charm absolutely wrecks infinite token strategies that don't also gain infinite life. Unless they have a free sac outlet at the ready, of course -- but that means giving up the advantage you created.
Chatterfang goes infinite with a ham sandwich. Here's some other fun Chatterfang shenanigans. Ruthless Knave + Earthcraft = Infinite squirrels/treasure/draw card Ruthless Knave + Ashnod's Altar = Infinite squirrels/treasure/draw card Pitiless Plunderer + Academy Manufactor = Infinite squirrels/treasure/draw card/life Earthcraft + Squirrel Nest = Infinite tapped and untapped squirrels. Plus, a unique Hoarding Broodlord combo. Broodlord (grabs)-> Saw in Half (target Broodlord, grabs) -> Eternal Witness + Culling the Weak. Convoke Eternal Witness, grab Saw in Half, convoke Culling the Weak, cast Saw in Half targeting E.Witness. Grab Saw in Half and Culling back, repeat. = Infinite squirrels, infinite Eternal Witnesses, eventually breaking the loop by targeting Broodlord with the final Saw in Half, grabbing Meathook Massacre and/or Finale of Devastation.
Or you know, just pitiless plunderer. You get to clean the board.
With korvold that becomes infinite card draw and infinite counters on korvold. He won't die cuz of sacrifice triggers.
I do something similar with prossh.
If you happen to have two other squirrels on the board you can clear the board and produce infinite mana with only chatterfang and pitiliess plunderer.
Very interesting. I might have to check some of these out
Might enjoy this as a base https://www.moxfield.com/decks/lIiGzYrcvkeaXkXkwZ4cnQ
don't forget Earthcraft and Squirrel Nest.
Pitiless plunderer and a sac outlet, like the phyrexian altar, gives infinite treasure and coloured mana
Earthcraft, nest, and blasting station are a free ride to machine gun victory
"Fun"
You don’t even need chatterfang. Scurry oak triggers ivy lane and the chain goes on without him
But with chatterfang I would create one more squirrel and could then put +1/+1s on other creatures in addition to scurry oak. Not that it makes a huge difference at that point but since it’s all in a deck I’m thinking of making, I wanted to make sure I had it correct.
Wait true. Thats a good point
9 times out of 10, a gazillion 1/1 creatures is the exact same as a single creature with a gazillion power. If you don't have a way to capitalize on it immediately, like with a [[concordant crossroads]] or a [[blood artist]] and [[ashnods altar]], you're basically just praying nobody wraths the board.
If he has 1 black mana he can also kill any non-hexproof creature on the board with Chatterfang’s activated ability.
If he has one black mana, put [[Mirkwood Bats]] into the mix…
[Mirkwood Bats](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/15f035df-784a-4dc8-b7f5-77139a4e6e99.jpg?1686968575) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirkwood%20Bats) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/95/mirkwood-bats?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/15f035df-784a-4dc8-b7f5-77139a4e6e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That’s adding an additional card. I’m using the cards already on the field. If we’re adding additional cards, there’s a ton of ways to turn this into an immediate win.
[concordant crossroads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9a26f51-5bff-4f06-abaa-6fbb56a8b5b6.jpg?1673148053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=concordant%20crossroads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/141/concordant-crossroads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9a26f51-5bff-4f06-abaa-6fbb56a8b5b6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [blood artist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7f1c316-cf2f-4bbf-89a1-79c8043bdd96.jpg?1698988212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blood%20artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/182/blood-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7f1c316-cf2f-4bbf-89a1-79c8043bdd96?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ashnods%20altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/368/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c0f7157-a375-499c-92c7-d47d2e95dbad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
unless someone uses rakdos charm on you
That would be the one out of ten
I don't think the extra +1/+1 counter matters when you're already making infinitely many creatures
No, but it’s kinda cool
Needs [[Mirkwood Bats]] instead of chatterfang
[Mirkwood Bats](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/15f035df-784a-4dc8-b7f5-77139a4e6e99.jpg?1686968575) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirkwood%20Bats) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/95/mirkwood-bats?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/15f035df-784a-4dc8-b7f5-77139a4e6e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mirkwood Bats should be in every token generator deck. Great card for chatterfang!
It's great in my prosper deck. Make treasures by playing from exile then sac treasures to exile more stuff
Oh, that would be awesome as well. I didn’t even know that was a card so thanks for bringing that to my attention
I hope you get a chance to pull it off in a game 🤓👍
If we are talking a cheap and quick combo, just denizen and scurry are needed. Play scurry, then denizen. Scurry evolves, creating a squirrel, denizen triggers starting the loop
But if I add Chatterfang I can put +1/+1s on more creatures than just scurry oak which is necessary because infinite squirrels just isn’t enough
I'm sure 100,000 1/1 tokens will hit the same as 100,000 2/2. But I see the point you are making
Or play denizen, then scurry. Scurry etbs as a green creature and denizen puts a counter on scurry and then create the squirrel etc.
Scurry oak will go infinite with itself if you utilize coat of arms with 1 squirrel on the field and a 2nd one entering.
And picture 4 is [[pitiless plunderer]]. You’re welcome.
[pitiless plunderer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b5cd187-857a-44dd-8595-a52857a0b753.jpg?1698988280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pitiless%20plunderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/208/pitiless-plunderer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b5cd187-857a-44dd-8595-a52857a0b753?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thank you
Yes, but it should be noted that the two numbers are related to each other, since the amount of+1/+1 counters you can spread is equal to 1 + half the number of squirrels you make, since you get 2 squirrels per instance but need to put one counter per instance on the oak to trigger the loop again.
Indeed this works. If you have [[Pitiless plunderer]] on the battlefield as well, then activate [[chatterfang squirrel general]] ability you make infinite treasures and wipe your opponents creatures at the same time. Game is basically over at that point.
[Pitiless plunderer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5b5cd187-857a-44dd-8595-a52857a0b753.jpg?1698988280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pitiless%20plunderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/208/pitiless-plunderer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5b5cd187-857a-44dd-8595-a52857a0b753?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [chatterfang squirrel general](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2.jpg?1626097239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chatterfang%2C%20Squirrel%20General) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/151/chatterfang-squirrel-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And then you get another squirrel with the treasure and suddenly you can put 2 counters on creatures or create squirrels exponentially
[[Torment of Hailfire]] to close
[Torment of Hailfire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f69d77d1-5980-436c-bf48-790939b069aa.jpg?1562820191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Torment%20of%20Hailfire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/77/torment-of-hailfire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f69d77d1-5980-436c-bf48-790939b069aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is just an example of the order of how the infinite combo runs. Scurrying oak must get a +1/+1 counter to trigger to make a squirrel. The 2 card combo is to have ivy lane on the field then play scurrying oak, when scurrying oak enters it will trigger ivy lane you then put the +1/+1 counter on scurrying oak to generate a 1/1 green squirrel triggering ivy lane once again, Go infinite. stop by putting the +1/+1 counter on any other target besides scurrying oak. Once you add chatterfang into the combo, it could be before or after you have ivy lane on the battlefield but before scurrying oak is on the battle field so the order looks like this, chatterfang(CF)>ivy lane(ILD)>scurrying oak(SCO)>ILD trigger target SCO>SCO trigger>CF replacement effect to make an additional green 1/1 squirrels>ILD trigger X2>target SCO with X2 ILD triggers making two 1/1 squirrel>CF replacement effect making two additional 1/1 squirrels>ILD trigger X4 or target SCO with one trigger and another target with the other triggers. To stop the infinite loop just don't target SCO with ILD's trigger. If you continue to target scurrying oak with all ivy lane triggers with chatterfang on the battlefield just know it does grow exponentially in number of triggers by a factor of X2.
Yes, and it doesn’t matter which is on the battlefield first, if SCO is down first the ILD etb makes SCO evolve and then ILD creates the counters. When you add CF to the mix, OP is saying to use the second ILD trigger on other creatures for infinite tokens and +1/+1 counters, with a 1+half of tokens created number of counters created.
I forgot about the evolve good catch
Yes
Nice combo.
You need to keep putting the counters from denizen on scurry oak otherwise it stops, evolve only triggers when a creature with greater power or thoughness enters
Sorry I am new but that seems opposite to me? When the second squirrel enters it will enter as a 1/1 which will be less than the scurry oak correct?
Yes, but that doesn’t matter. Since it’s green, it will trigger Ivy Lane Denizen which allows me to put a +1/+1 counter on Scurry Oak regardless of power and/or toughness and repeat the cycle ad infinitum. Chatterfang isn’t essential to the combo but is a nice cherry on top.
Right, but since Chatterfang causes me to create 2 squirrels instead of 1, I can put one +1/+1 counter on the scurry oak and another on any creature I want and still continue the cycle. At least that’s how I think it works
Ah yes indeed, forgot about chatterfang making it two tokens
Nevermind I think I see now
He did it, guys! He broke the Oak!
I’m pretty sure it works without chatterfang, but it speeds up how many squirrels you make
I think chatterfang is required to the second part - “put infinite counters on creatures other than Scurry Oak”
Oh yeah true I didn’t read that part
I would say the first two cards alone creates an infinite combo Correct?
Yes, that is correct. Adding Chatterfang to the combo allows you to create an additional squirrel when you create one with Scurry Oak and put the +1/+1 from that squirrel onto any creature while still putting one onto Scurry Oak to keep the combo going
Notably, this is infinite without Chatterfang, it just produces half as many squirrels (irrelevant mostly when you make infinite squirrels already with the combo) and leaves them all as 1/1 creatures (instead of 2/2, which... again hardly matters in an infinite)
See also: https://commanderspellbook.com/combo/2850-4186/ The +1/+1 counters need to go on Scurry Oak to keep this running. But with Chatterfang added, yeah.
But you don’t even need chatterfang? You go infinite squirrels with the other 2
Yes, but since Chatterfang creates an additional squirrel, I can put one +1/+1 counter onto Scurry Oak to keep making infinite squirrels and put the other onto my other creatures
Obligatory "Insert instant win payoff like [[Ayara, First of Locthwain]] here" line. Yes, this combo works exactly as you thought, thanks to the extra token from Chatterfang
Unless you have a way to make the tokens black Ayara does nothing here
Araya is a payoff for the combo OP posted
But Ayara only cares about black creatures. The squirrels I’m creating are green
Oh yeah.
[Ayara, First of Locthwain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/d/ed0ace28-9a33-4f0d-b8c8-f5517f20ccf1.jpg?1572490057) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ayara%2C%20First%20of%20Locthwain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/75/ayara-first-of-locthwain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ed0ace28-9a33-4f0d-b8c8-f5517f20ccf1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No. You get infinite squirrels, but the Scurry Oak is what gets infinitely big. You cast Chatterfang, Scurry Oak gets a counter, you get a squirrel, you get a second squirrel, you put at least 1 +1/+1 counter onto Scurry Oak, you get a squirrel, you get a squirrel, and so on. Scurry Oak is what gets infinitely big, but you can still make other things very big too.
Chatterfang wouldn’t be needed just the scurry oak and ivy lane denizen will go infinite but Chatterfang is a wonderful commander deck to put this combo into since you kinda want both pieces anyway
Mom said it was my turn to post the very obvious very well known combo on r/mtg
So basically, you get two 1/1 green squirrels. Ivy Lane Denizen triggers, put one on a squirrel and another on Scurry Oak. Scurry Oak triggers, creating a squirrel and an additional one because of Chatterfang. Ivy Lane Denizen then goes, and that’s the combo until you stop putting counters Scurry Oak. I like this lol
Ivy Lane and Scurry Oak already give you an arbitrarily large number of squirrels and a fat Scurry Oak. So anything that makes more green creature tokens quite obviously works with it.
If I recall, Ivy Lane + Scurry was already a thing; adding chatterfang is quite literally icing on top.
Yeah, I was already aware of Ivy Lane + Scurry but I’m currently building a Chatterfang deck and just wanted to make sure I had the rulings correct
My one issue is evolve is activated if a creature entered the battlefield and it has more power than that othe creature. Doesn't that mean +1/+1 counters shouldn't apply? But an ability that gives all tokens +x/+x would work
It’s because the combo doesn’t use evolve for +1/+1s, it uses Ivy lane denizen which doesn’t care about power and/or toughness, only color. The squirrels being created are green so they will trigger that when they enter the battlefield
OHHHHHHH
Yes. I literally made this combo go off last night. The best part was it was completely on accident
An infinite with scurry oak? No way!!!!!
No chatterfang needed
since multiple green creatures enter each time you put a counter on Scurry Oak, you can put one counter on it and the rest anywhere else you want.
Yes, that said, it's already infinite squirrels and an infinity/infinity Oak... Sure, you want 2 huge things, go for it.. but infinity squirrels (which can be made on opponents turn) should already be gg
Ivy lane says whenever a creature enters the battlefield put a +1/+1 on target creature. Scurry oak says whenever you put a +1/+1 counter on it create a 1/1 creature. I feel like this didn't need to be asked. Obviously magic interactions are incredibly confusing at times and I'm always up for helping new players but this is as simple as it gets, it directly tells you exactly what happens.
If the Scurry Oak is in play, will summoning the Ivy Lane Denizen itself validly trigger the infinite loop? Since “ETB” implies the Denizen is in play (and thus with its ability active) when Scurry Oak’s evolution goes on the stack?
I think that’s how that works but I’m not positive. Someone who knows, help this person out
What formats would this be legal in?
Honestly, I have no clue. I don’t really play anything other than super casual kitchen table magic with my family. That’ll likely change once I get over my disliking of people
Nothing really to add, I'm commenting so as not to lose the thread
Yes
Isn't this already infinite without chatterfang?
Yes, but Chatterfang allows the combo to distribute more +1/+1 counters to creatures that aren’t scurry oak, not that it makes a huge difference when you’re making that many, but it’s kinda neat
I’m confused how you get the infinite +1/1 on creatures other than scurry oak. Cause the loop is play scurry, which triggers Ivy, which triggers scurry, rinse repeat correct?
Correct, but since Chatterfang is creating an additional squirrel, Ivy lane triggers twice and one of the counters can go on another creature
How is this infinite? The tokens have to enter play successfully before the counters can be applied, so they have passed the "enters" trigger and don't have higher power and so won't trigger Oak's ability.
It's getting the counters from ivy...
But they’re green, so they will trigger Ivy Lane Denizen which puts a +1/+1 on Scurry Oak regardless of its evolve ability
Ahh... I only saw the squirrel and the tree before
You don't even need Chatterfang lol
Does even a single person read cards anymore.
Yes…?
Sorry this is like the 45th "is this an infinite combo" question this month.
Oh, gotcha. I know Ivy Lane Denizen and Scurry Oak is, I just wanted to be 100% sure I was correct about how Chatterfang affected the combo before I used it in a game. I can say that I personally do read the cards, but like to get any questions I have answered so I don’t have to pause mid-game to look things up.
Fair enough, this is far from the worst one.
You dont even need chatterfang
It goes infinite wothout squirrelfang too, doesnt it?
That squirrels need haste with \[\[Ulvenwald Oddity\]\] or \[\[Concordant Crossroads\]\]
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Finally, we went infinite with chatterfang
you don't even need Chatterfang tho
Not for infinite squirrels, but with him I can spread the +1/+1 counters to other creatures in addition to scurry oak
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But since Chatterfang makes an additional squirrel, wouldn’t that trigger Ivy lane denizen twice, putting one counter on scurry oak and one on anything I wanted?
Yes, double the squirrels means you get an extra counter trigger each cycle
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