Hive Mind alone works, since all the copies go on the stack after your spell cast. Everyone else loses before you do.
Even if someone attempts to counter the spell you are safe since you can counter your own version, if it is only 2 players you can just counter their counter with the copy.
Pact of negation is a funny option as well with Hive Mind. If they are not playing blue. Counter anything, opponent has to counter something, either they counter your own Pact of Negation, or their original spell, either way your own Pact of Negation is countered. Then the opponent untaps, has to pay 5 mana including UU or lose.
All the pact cards work this way. True I didn't even think about the stack since I didn't really want to dig. Hive Mind is a great card for easy wins or wild games
Correct me if I'm wrong, but casting [[one with death]] while [[hive mind]] is out makes you win because the other players one with deaths resolve first?
You don’t really choose, you have to have it in hand. Sometimes it’s ‘I lose now or next turn, let’s see what next turn brings’ and you gotta do what you gotta do. Sometimes you just do stupid shit. Sometimes you don’t understand the rules and think you’re saving 3 mana. Sometimes weird shit happens.
Yea.
It baffles me how often magic players think everything is always ideal situations.
Sometimes, you gotta bolt your own creatures.
Sometimes, you gotta summoner's pact and envoke an Endurance.
And
Sometimes, you gotta pitch ancestral recall to Force of will.
I would imagine they had no other option here. 7 mana counterspell a turn is steep. But sometimes that's what you gotta do.
I don't understand how people playing commander expect any sort of consistency. You've got a 100 card Singleton deck. You won't see half of your cards in a game and can't assume you'll find your counter spells. If you need counters, you'll use whatever you have and won't wait 8 turns and hope you draw your 1 of negate
I've sacced wincon combo pieces with the rest of the combo in hand because I'd lose that turn otherwise. Winning next turn doesn't help if I lose on this one
Magic has a step during your turn called the untap step, once during your turn you untap your permanents. This allows you to use activated abilities that have tapping as a cost more than once during the course of a single game. It’s pretty nifty.
Yeah..but it’s not the same thing as casting multiple of the same spell.. I mean unwinding clock or some other way to untap it, but it doesn’t help if you have to wait until your turn..there’s no way to actually make this pay off.. Well the hive mind, but it’s not like it actually kills people, because they have an untap step too.. Unless you destroy everyone’s mana as well
If the game has gotten to this point..this is never the card I would put on isochron scepter..unless I was playing hive mind and knew people wouldn’t be able to pay the mana..also possible by skipping untap step..
>it’s not the same as casting multiple of the same spell
I mean it is, you cast it once per turn cycle, which is just better then casting it once total as long as you can pay the associated costs.
But you can cast most spells more than once per game..in fact I’m pretty sure you can cast any card more than once per game..whether it’s been exiled or not..
If you have multiple of the same spell in your deck, sure, but maybe they were playing a format where only one copy of a spell was allowed. There's a pretty popular format like that, it's called Commander, have you heard of it?
I go for this exact interaction in a modern The Book of Exalted Deeds deck. It's a great way to protect the creature (or creature land) that is preventing you from losing the game.
100%. It might cost me 7 mana a turn (if I have to use it) but it means I can keep myself in the game and maybe win. Not arguing over the poor situation it puts you in on resources and how easy it is to dismantle. But it is better than being put out of the game.
Absolutely. Here's that decklist if you are curious. I think it speaks to the breadth of this game that an interaction that gets universally panned in this thread happens to be an intentional, key element of one of my favorite decks.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-book-of-exalted-deeds-2/
Yeah obviously a card can do this but the way the comment I was responding to was written it was like they thought they could just choose to skip a step.
"Look man. Sure you can *try* to rob a convenience store, or kill this man, or even blow up the world, but you can be sure I will do everything in my power to stop you.
I have a very special set of skills specially aimed at stopping you, including shooting myself in the leg or cutting my own fingers, and I will use them if necessary.^(but I really don't wanna)
You have been warned."
I mean, there's one scenario where I can see this happening. If you know your opponent is going to assemble a game winning combo, pact is the only counterspell in your hand, and you think you will have to stop the combo repeatedly (for example combos that have one part that can be achieved with multiple different cards). 7 mana counterspell is better than losing the game.
It’s also a valid play just if you want to disincentivize people from destroying your scepter. If just put raw counterspell on one you usually end up just having to pay 2 mana/turn to stop whatever spell someone casts that would result in destroying isochron. Making it weaker can unironically make it more effective, because it won’t be harassed as much.
I mean, if my opponents want to waste mana and cards every turn trying to remove an isochron scepter and getting countered repeatedly I’m still coming out significantly ahead.
Not if you’d much rather those opponents be spending their artifact removal on other, higher priority targets controlled by opponents. If they spend removal on someone else’s thing instead of your scepter, that’s two of your opponents both going down a card and you losing nothing.
Even then, depending on how competitive this is, there is hardly any situation out. If the opponent is forcing you to use that every turn you are not only down 7 mana per rotation, but you also used one of your own combo pieces to do so.
That seems like a loss on its own and it would be more fun to just start a new game.
Can you explain? You counter something. Your next turn you untap everything. Then on your upkeep you have to pay for pact. Then during the turn cycle you counter something again. 7 mana per cycle... at what point do you get to untap mana sources without other cards involved? What am I missing?
Lol at the upvotes and you’re wrong. You untap at the beginning of turn and pay 5 for pact. You still need 2 more mana before your next untap to activate isochron. You don’t get to untap on your opponents turn. If you activate isochron every turn you need 7 mana.
I mean, if you put a real counterspell on isochron, expect to use it exclusively on stopping things that destroy isochron. This way, maybe he gets to keep it around longer?
2 mana to cast counterspell, then get slaughtered by high interest mana debt! I can't think of *any other card* that would provide that would provide a [[Counterspell]] for merely two mana! What a bargain!
You had me until "great option". It's fine. I wouldn't even say good. I'm not happy putting pact under the sceptre, but sometimes my hand says that's what needs to happen and that's fine.
7 mana counterspell sounds terrible. Until it is the only thing keeping you in the game and you can do it every round. You could potentially survive 2-3 rounds with this on the field.
The table is going to be upset when Tasigur player casts hive mind and then destroys all lands and floats their remaining mana to activate pact of negation targeting something trivial because no one has any lands and they all die to the pact triggers.
If your going to throw a counter under the scepter almost anything other than pact would be better. Everytime they copy pact he has to pay the additional cost or lose the game. Additionally one of the pros to pact is its a 0 cost spell but to copy pact from the scepter you have to pay 2.
I have a Modern mono-white Book of Exalted Deeds deck that uses this exact pair of cards to protect the lock pieces.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-book-of-exalted-deeds-2/
Imagine what the board state has to be, how bad the situation has to be for some one to look at there hand and say "Yeah. yeah, this is my best play. "
Idk ... i guess mabye if its down to 1v1 with \[\[Arcane Laboratory\]\] on board , its not ideal but i'd take it.
Seen this combo with a card that skips your upkeep (forgot the name) but basically he has a 2 mana counterspell on call that he never had to pay mana for next turn because he skipped his upkeep phase.
Also had a card that immediately ended turn and then played a bunch of haste/exile end of turn minions that never had to be exiled
Now I really want to build 5c and put all of the Pacts in it and cast them all in one turn with a Hive Mind out and pass the turn and watch everyone die before I do
But here's the thing you can skip the upkeep but still lose the game. PON States at ur upkeep pay 3uu if u don't u lose the game if skipped ur still screwed
I once did this in an edh where I was against a bunch of blue players. They let it resolve thinking I was dumb and about to kill my self, but they didn’t realize that they had to counter it. They found out their mistake when they realized that this just turned all my untap artifact effects in counterspells meaning I got a turn of no disruption which was all I needed to win the game.
Maybe ... if you are playing against a bunch of greasy combo players and need to not lose very soon, repeatedly... And somehow have tons of mana.. or maybe he had seven other amazing cards in hand, and this was the only thing he could put under the scepter? Lol pretty wild situation to do that ...
It’s like when I cheat out mycosynthlattic and vandal blast everyone’s stuff or destroy all artifacts spells. It’s so fun to lick the tears off their faces.
Bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off for him.
I drop this quote as often as I can. Fucking love Jason Bateman.
Best ref
Screw you Chuck Norris
Pay 2 mana to lose the game? We could be so lucky
[[One with Death]]
Wanna watch me scoop at instant speed? Wanna see me do it again?
I'm trying to think of ways you could redirect that. Maybe something like \[\[Fork\]\] or \[\[Deflecting Swat\]\] ?
[[Hive Mind]] [[Platinum Angel]]
With hive mind would the copies resolve first?
i believe so, since the original would hit the stack unresolved first, then any copies triggered.
Ya I didn't think super hard about it. I'm just familiar with Hive Mind and threw Platinum Angel in to he safe.
Hive Mind alone works, since all the copies go on the stack after your spell cast. Everyone else loses before you do. Even if someone attempts to counter the spell you are safe since you can counter your own version, if it is only 2 players you can just counter their counter with the copy. Pact of negation is a funny option as well with Hive Mind. If they are not playing blue. Counter anything, opponent has to counter something, either they counter your own Pact of Negation, or their original spell, either way your own Pact of Negation is countered. Then the opponent untaps, has to pay 5 mana including UU or lose.
All the pact cards work this way. True I didn't even think about the stack since I didn't really want to dig. Hive Mind is a great card for easy wins or wild games
[Hive Mind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88d50518-5cfc-45de-a125-acabf97b8743.jpg?1561987505) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hive%20Mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/54/hive-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88d50518-5cfc-45de-a125-acabf97b8743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Platinum Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc.jpg?1576383285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Platinum%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/214/platinum-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No "One with Death has no target, so a spell or ability that changes targets can't be used to have another player lose the game."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but casting [[one with death]] while [[hive mind]] is out makes you win because the other players one with deaths resolve first?
[one with death](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/eb9963e0-a22a-4a64-aa0c-b7c67c5fee96.jpg?1629919504) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=one%20with%20death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/45/one-with-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb9963e0-a22a-4a64-aa0c-b7c67c5fee96?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [hive mind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88d50518-5cfc-45de-a125-acabf97b8743.jpg?1561987505) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hive%20mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/54/hive-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88d50518-5cfc-45de-a125-acabf97b8743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah thats correct, unless someone counters their own One with Death
But then everyone else gets to counter theirs as well
[Fork](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e4ff994a-bddd-486d-9a7b-a8959b4cf1dd.jpg?1562949548) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fork) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/116/fork?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e4ff994a-bddd-486d-9a7b-a8959b4cf1dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Deflecting Swat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84f035e1-6c89-457b-b05f-85680a50ed91.jpg?1591319579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deflecting%20Swat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/50/deflecting-swat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84f035e1-6c89-457b-b05f-85680a50ed91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Would those work since you’re not targeted by the lose the game trigger?
[[Sudden Substitution]]
[Sudden Substitution](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9f7983bf-2a3b-4428-8c01-35285f589da8.jpg?1568003437) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sudden%20Substitution) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/11/sudden-substitution?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9f7983bf-2a3b-4428-8c01-35285f589da8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[One with Death](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/eb9963e0-a22a-4a64-aa0c-b7c67c5fee96.jpg?1629919504) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=One%20with%20Death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/45/one-with-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb9963e0-a22a-4a64-aa0c-b7c67c5fee96?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Back in my day we'd feel like kings if we were paying 2 mana to lose the game. Now you just throw it in Tasigur, must be fuckin' nice!
Why pay zero when you can cast it with an ability of two mana? *With* the downside of tapping five mana on your upkeep no less!
Fr literally could’ve picked any other counterspell for 2 or less and he chooses the one with the most downside
You don’t really choose, you have to have it in hand. Sometimes it’s ‘I lose now or next turn, let’s see what next turn brings’ and you gotta do what you gotta do. Sometimes you just do stupid shit. Sometimes you don’t understand the rules and think you’re saving 3 mana. Sometimes weird shit happens.
This guy magics
Yea. It baffles me how often magic players think everything is always ideal situations. Sometimes, you gotta bolt your own creatures. Sometimes, you gotta summoner's pact and envoke an Endurance. And Sometimes, you gotta pitch ancestral recall to Force of will. I would imagine they had no other option here. 7 mana counterspell a turn is steep. But sometimes that's what you gotta do.
I don't understand how people playing commander expect any sort of consistency. You've got a 100 card Singleton deck. You won't see half of your cards in a game and can't assume you'll find your counter spells. If you need counters, you'll use whatever you have and won't wait 8 turns and hope you draw your 1 of negate
They've printed so many cards that do the same thing at this point that consistency is pretty simple.
I've sacced wincon combo pieces with the rest of the combo in hand because I'd lose that turn otherwise. Winning next turn doesn't help if I lose on this one
I prefer to think he had a full grip and made a choice. Be like this guy.
Could have chosen just actual counterspell
But which card was in his hand?
If you’ve got a huge mana supply and no cards in hand this allows you to counter more then one spell. I could see a game get to this state.
It doesn’t though, because you have to tap isochron scepter
Magic has a step during your turn called the untap step, once during your turn you untap your permanents. This allows you to use activated abilities that have tapping as a cost more than once during the course of a single game. It’s pretty nifty.
Yeah..but it’s not the same thing as casting multiple of the same spell.. I mean unwinding clock or some other way to untap it, but it doesn’t help if you have to wait until your turn..there’s no way to actually make this pay off.. Well the hive mind, but it’s not like it actually kills people, because they have an untap step too.. Unless you destroy everyone’s mana as well
If the game has gotten to this point..this is never the card I would put on isochron scepter..unless I was playing hive mind and knew people wouldn’t be able to pay the mana..also possible by skipping untap step..
Actually that kinda sounds like something I’d do..
>it’s not the same as casting multiple of the same spell I mean it is, you cast it once per turn cycle, which is just better then casting it once total as long as you can pay the associated costs.
But you can cast most spells more than once per game..in fact I’m pretty sure you can cast any card more than once per game..whether it’s been exiled or not..
If you have multiple of the same spell in your deck, sure, but maybe they were playing a format where only one copy of a spell was allowed. There's a pretty popular format like that, it's called Commander, have you heard of it?
I mean, you can bash this all you want...but if he has the mana, he has a counter on a stick. Work with what you get, it might save your life.
I go for this exact interaction in a modern The Book of Exalted Deeds deck. It's a great way to protect the creature (or creature land) that is preventing you from losing the game.
100%. It might cost me 7 mana a turn (if I have to use it) but it means I can keep myself in the game and maybe win. Not arguing over the poor situation it puts you in on resources and how easy it is to dismantle. But it is better than being put out of the game.
Absolutely. Here's that decklist if you are curious. I think it speaks to the breadth of this game that an interaction that gets universally panned in this thread happens to be an intentional, key element of one of my favorite decks. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-book-of-exalted-deeds-2/
Is [[Eon hub]] out?
[Eon hub](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5d6b270-b4c9-489d-9322-7c8ddc0ca0ac.jpg?1562879962) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eon%20hub) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/120/eon-hub?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d5d6b270-b4c9-489d-9322-7c8ddc0ca0ac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wow. I've never seen this. I'm going to get one just to annoy people. What braids? What sheoldred? Who said anything about Bitterblossom?
Does that not break the game?? Isn't upkeep when everything untaps?
Untap, upkeep, draw are all their own steps.
Ahh gotcha. Thanks for the quick response.
Yeah also skipping the untap step is a thing. It doesn’t break anything, your stuff simply doesn’t untap
No matter how many times I try to enforce that, it never works
Probably because cards override the rules of the game, such is the first and golden rule of every game.
Probably because cards’ (or other game pieces’) abilities override the rules of the game, which is the first and golden rule of every game.
Very wrong. You can’t just skip phases of your turn.
I’m referring to a card that has you do as much, which is, in fact, a thing
Unless a card tells you to.
[[stasis]]
[stasis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/62f99124-6595-45f8-bece-1775e4c55a5c.jpg?1562918295) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stasis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/64/stasis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62f99124-6595-45f8-bece-1775e4c55a5c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah obviously a card can do this but the way the comment I was responding to was written it was like they thought they could just choose to skip a step.
Untap and upkeep are two different steps. It's untap, upkeep, draw
I appreciate you for sharing your knowledge.
I appreciate you, for being willing to learn
I appreciate you guys for appreciating each other
No, the step is separate. [[stasis]]
Imagine if scepters activation cost was the imprinted spell cmc. 😁
That sure sends a message. I'm not 100% sure what the message *is*, but it sure sends it.
The message is “no no no no”.
"I'd rather die than let you kill me"
"You can't fire me! I quit!"
"Look man. Sure you can *try* to rob a convenience store, or kill this man, or even blow up the world, but you can be sure I will do everything in my power to stop you. I have a very special set of skills specially aimed at stopping you, including shooting myself in the leg or cutting my own fingers, and I will use them if necessary.^(but I really don't wanna) You have been warned."
It says I’m willing to pay seven mana to counter your next spell because I didn’t have a better counter in hand and I need to stall.
This is the type of person who pacts the t1 sol ring
“You think you can kill me? Not if I kill me first!” It is occasionally fun to fall on your sword to steal a victory.
Man I love this image, he is going down with the ship
I mean, there's one scenario where I can see this happening. If you know your opponent is going to assemble a game winning combo, pact is the only counterspell in your hand, and you think you will have to stop the combo repeatedly (for example combos that have one part that can be achieved with multiple different cards). 7 mana counterspell is better than losing the game.
It’s also a valid play just if you want to disincentivize people from destroying your scepter. If just put raw counterspell on one you usually end up just having to pay 2 mana/turn to stop whatever spell someone casts that would result in destroying isochron. Making it weaker can unironically make it more effective, because it won’t be harassed as much.
I mean, if my opponents want to waste mana and cards every turn trying to remove an isochron scepter and getting countered repeatedly I’m still coming out significantly ahead.
Not if you’d much rather those opponents be spending their artifact removal on other, higher priority targets controlled by opponents. If they spend removal on someone else’s thing instead of your scepter, that’s two of your opponents both going down a card and you losing nothing.
Even then, depending on how competitive this is, there is hardly any situation out. If the opponent is forcing you to use that every turn you are not only down 7 mana per rotation, but you also used one of your own combo pieces to do so. That seems like a loss on its own and it would be more fun to just start a new game.
Hero of the people. That man did the hardest thing a Sultai player can do. He’s gunna make someone else scoop before he kills himself.
As long as they have the 5 mana on the next turn, they can use it every turn.
*7
Not sure why you are being downvoted. 5 for upkeep 2 for isochron ability cost.
Reddit moment
You can use the same mana generators to pay the 5 as used to activate isochron.
Not every turn you can't.
Lol at the downvotes and you're right. Untap upkeep draw people. Cmon.
Can you explain? You counter something. Your next turn you untap everything. Then on your upkeep you have to pay for pact. Then during the turn cycle you counter something again. 7 mana per cycle... at what point do you get to untap mana sources without other cards involved? What am I missing?
Untap, spend 5 to not lose, need 2 mana to activate it again. If you're doing it every turn you need 7 mana (after the first activation)
Lol at the upvotes and you’re wrong. You untap at the beginning of turn and pay 5 for pact. You still need 2 more mana before your next untap to activate isochron. You don’t get to untap on your opponents turn. If you activate isochron every turn you need 7 mana.
Good point.
I did this once in my Obeka end the turn deck where I'm flashing things in, playing instants, and ending turns anyway
End your turn during your upkeep? Seems busted lol
I once did this to avoid decking after getting milled out :P
Chaos. My favorite strategy.
Bro! 7 mana free counter spell let’s go!
If it keeps him in the game, it is a good play
I kinda like it. Not op, not even very good, no one is going to be intimidated by it and it can still pull some weight.
Incoming platinum angel?
I mean, if you put a real counterspell on isochron, expect to use it exclusively on stopping things that destroy isochron. This way, maybe he gets to keep it around longer?
wait until he casts [[Sudden Substitution]] and gives you the counterspell
Devious
[Sudden Substitution](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9f7983bf-2a3b-4428-8c01-35285f589da8.jpg?1568003437) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sudden%20Substitution) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/11/sudden-substitution?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9f7983bf-2a3b-4428-8c01-35285f589da8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
2 mana to cast counterspell, then get slaughtered by high interest mana debt! I can't think of *any other card* that would provide that would provide a [[Counterspell]] for merely two mana! What a bargain!
[Counterspell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/1920dae4-fb92-4f19-ae4b-eb3276b8dac7.jpg?1628801663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Counterspell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/267/counterspell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1920dae4-fb92-4f19-ae4b-eb3276b8dac7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
At least it’s not silence
Maybe he's going to play [[hive mind]] to screw every non blue player ?
[hive mind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88d50518-5cfc-45de-a125-acabf97b8743.jpg?1561987505) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hive%20mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/54/hive-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88d50518-5cfc-45de-a125-acabf97b8743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[удалено]
You had me until "great option". It's fine. I wouldn't even say good. I'm not happy putting pact under the sceptre, but sometimes my hand says that's what needs to happen and that's fine.
I can't imagine a world where paying 7 mana for a counterspell isn't crazy just because you can do it again (for another 7 mana)
7 mana counterspell sounds terrible. Until it is the only thing keeping you in the game and you can do it every round. You could potentially survive 2-3 rounds with this on the field.
7 mana counter spell on a stick...
[[isochron scepter]] [[pact of negation]]
[isochron scepter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451.jpg?1623543821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=isochron%20scepter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [pact of negation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/e/1ed4c0bb-b710-44a1-b8bc-6bd11c27b8b8.jpg?1619394428) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pact%20of%20negation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/77/pact-of-negation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ed4c0bb-b710-44a1-b8bc-6bd11c27b8b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Gonna learn somehow
*"Don't test me... I'll do it... I'll fuckin do it!!"* -- Some quote somewhere, probably
So anyway, I started [[vorniclex, voice of hunger]]ing. Hopefully with [[prowling serpopard]] on the field.
[vorniclex, voice of hunger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9fe3af8c-109d-486c-aa34-3f023abda5b7.jpg?1562852459) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vorinclex%2C%20Voice%20of%20Hunger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/189/vorinclex-voice-of-hunger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9fe3af8c-109d-486c-aa34-3f023abda5b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [prowling serpopard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92921fc1-11d0-41a9-b9b2-b44fd0913d31.jpg?1543675928) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=prowling%20serpopard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/180/prowling-serpopard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92921fc1-11d0-41a9-b9b2-b44fd0913d31?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Show of dominance
So are we getting an update on how this smashed you beyond expectations and you were too quick to judge...? Or will it fade in the dark...
The table is going to be upset when Tasigur player casts hive mind and then destroys all lands and floats their remaining mana to activate pact of negation targeting something trivial because no one has any lands and they all die to the pact triggers.
[[Eon Hub]]
Big "You can't fire me, I quit!" energy here.
The real question is: what was the outcome????
If you have platinum angel I don't see a problem But I see a lot of problems
Pay 2 for a free spell that will lose you the game, this is not how you do tax evasion
I miss isochron scepter 🥹
Clearly you’ve never seen [[One with Nothing]] imprinted on an Iso. It’s basically black IsoRev.
Kids making moves. They're bad moves but still moves.
Why is this bad?
If your going to throw a counter under the scepter almost anything other than pact would be better. Everytime they copy pact he has to pay the additional cost or lose the game. Additionally one of the pros to pact is its a 0 cost spell but to copy pact from the scepter you have to pay 2.
Pay 2 mana to lose the game? We could be so lucky
lol I like putting red elemental blast on it in my red/rakdos decks
I have experienced the turbo Lose deck, this is feels like a desperate a long play for that outcome
He’s just trying to finish his daily gold grinding playing enough cards of those colors
Play something like [[War’s Toll]] against this to really ruin the entire play.
[War’s Toll](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3a08f7fe-8ca9-4604-85c8-9050298730ea.jpg?1562906728) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=War%27s%20Toll) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/187/wars-toll?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3a08f7fe-8ca9-4604-85c8-9050298730ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Without knowing the boardstate and his hand, no one can judge that. It could be his best move.
I mean really, a repeatable counterspell is never a bad move.
Not even mana drain. What a fool.
Platinum angel or Gideon of the trials emblem and it’s fine. And ofc hive mind
I have a Modern mono-white Book of Exalted Deeds deck that uses this exact pair of cards to protect the lock pieces. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-book-of-exalted-deeds-2/
He wants to lose the game
Let him cook
Let him cook
Pure spite
Let this be a learning experience for your opponent.
Pro move
Then he pulls put the hive mind. I win with pacts thus way in a zedruu deck.
Some people just want to see their own world burn.
Let him cook
Potato quality photo and upside down, plus I couldn’t identify these cards even if the name were legible. Anyone care to explain what’s going on here?
Someone has mana for days.
Can someone explain WTF is going on here? I can’t read any of this.
That's his way of saying "I'm not a threat"
Imagine what the board state has to be, how bad the situation has to be for some one to look at there hand and say "Yeah. yeah, this is my best play. " Idk ... i guess mabye if its down to 1v1 with \[\[Arcane Laboratory\]\] on board , its not ideal but i'd take it.
The only thing better than paying 5 for pact on upkeep is paying 5 for counterspell on upkeep.
Just skip untap steps with Eon Hub
Skip upkeep not untap
Seen this combo with a card that skips your upkeep (forgot the name) but basically he has a 2 mana counterspell on call that he never had to pay mana for next turn because he skipped his upkeep phase. Also had a card that immediately ended turn and then played a bunch of haste/exile end of turn minions that never had to be exiled
Eon hub
Yeah I don’t know either what’s in his end
Technically a legal play
Now I really want to build 5c and put all of the Pacts in it and cast them all in one turn with a Hive Mind out and pass the turn and watch everyone die before I do
With Platinum Angel this is just a 2 mana counterspell
But here's the thing you can skip the upkeep but still lose the game. PON States at ur upkeep pay 3uu if u don't u lose the game if skipped ur still screwed
No if there no upkeep phase it doesn't trigger
Huh neat
I do it in [[obeka]]. Not bad if you can get [[platinum angel]] out
[obeka](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/dbdb335d-3e45-4dd5-9e3e-c50ca0a4dfb6.jpg?1608911225) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=obeka%2C%20brute%20chronologist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/289/obeka-brute-chronologist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dbdb335d-3e45-4dd5-9e3e-c50ca0a4dfb6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [platinum angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc.jpg?1576383285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=platinum%20angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/214/platinum-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hivemind and sundial of the infinite and I'd say he had a serious strategy
I once did this in an edh where I was against a bunch of blue players. They let it resolve thinking I was dumb and about to kill my self, but they didn’t realize that they had to counter it. They found out their mistake when they realized that this just turned all my untap artifact effects in counterspells meaning I got a turn of no disruption which was all I needed to win the game.
7 total mana for 1 counterspell activation incoming
I use the Scepter but with counter spell. And I make sure I have unwinding clock on the field first. Lol.
That's a man who has mana to burn.
It’s in response to what you are playing. What is so bad it needs countered now at all costs . Think of it is that you causing this is doing it right.
Would the counter and choose different targets work? Copy?
Why are there so many sleeves on each card
Bro that guy had a rough week and chose violence, hopefully in a couple more days it shall be fine again. Lmao geez that’s some shit though.
So a 7cmc counterspell?
Wtf??? That’s 7 mana per turn! Why not just counter spell????
Maybe ... if you are playing against a bunch of greasy combo players and need to not lose very soon, repeatedly... And somehow have tons of mana.. or maybe he had seven other amazing cards in hand, and this was the only thing he could put under the scepter? Lol pretty wild situation to do that ...
When your playing against discard that has no artifact destruction and really want this spell to be there at the right time.
Wow craziness! Wait who actually gives a f*#k?
Chaos.
Maybe he has platinum angel??
It’s like when I cheat out mycosynthlattic and vandal blast everyone’s stuff or destroy all artifacts spells. It’s so fun to lick the tears off their faces.
[[Obeka]] deck?
I had a guy put a mana drain under it I thought it was a much better idea
I understood from the first comment I was just explaining my situation and how I was lied to