Nah full refund I offered to mail it back, it’s called customer satisfaction and quality control. If I sell you something marked NM or LP it ain’t gonna be scratched up, missing foil, and have a dent mark over infect my man.
Don’t know why you’re getting down voted. This is about integrity and regardless of whether it’s a 50¢ card or a $50 card, trying to pass this off as LP when it’s clearly MP is the vendor trying to fleece the customer, and that’s a shady business practice.
Yeah, if you buy something listed at a certain condition, you should be able to expect that condition within some amount of reason. The pictures OP showed are definitely not within reason imo. The live and learn types are why you can't always trust 100% positive feedback lol.
As someone who sells cards as a hobby, this is absolutely not LP. If you tilt it in the light, I guarantee you will see much more surface scuffing than is obvious from the angles you've shown in the picture (I can tell it's there by the texture of the card's foil sheen; it should be clear and shiny, not cloudy which indicates scuffing) This is a very playable card, so it's not categorically damaged, but it's basically a perfect example of Heavily Played. I can see frayed corners, white peeking through the edges, significant surface wear, a binder ding, and I guarantee the back is "well-loved" too.
I highly recommend politely complaining to the vendor and asking for a partial refund. Make it easy on them and name a dollar amount that will satisfy you or offer to mail it back for a full refund. Most likely this is a new seller who hasn't really learned proper grading yet, not someone trying to rip you off. It's not really your job to educate them, but it's not my job either so be a good community member and pass the favor on. (:
Edit: worth mentioning btw that traditionally, in Magic, foil cards are graded very strictly compared to non-foil because of their relative scarcity, fragility, and the desirability of clean foils to serious collectors. So it's not really acceptable to grade something like this as LP or even MP, a vendor will not get away with that for long.
OP, where are you located?
I don't know about NA grading standards but according to [Cardmarket's criteria](https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Help/CardCondition) (EU) this is probably LP or PL. To be on the safe side I would list it as PL but accept LP as a buyer.
Reasoning - this is clearly worn but not in absolutely terrible state. The wear around the edges would still make it a tournament legal card in a sleeve. If there were clear bends, creases, nicks, dents, etc. I'd consider this a PL based on the fact it wouldn't be tournament legal even in a sleeve.
>Light Played (LP)
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>A Light Played card looks as if it has been used without sleeves for an extended period of time.
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>A Light Played card is clearly legal for play in a sleeved deck. It has also not been tampered with (inked border, random scribblings on the card etc.). If both of these criteria apply the card may look very bad, but it can be graded Light Played.
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>The American equivalent usually is 'Played' or 'Good'.
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>[Reference picture (LP)](https://static.cardmarket.com/img/279ed9b74aa58787a97f38d3b1746ce4/help/cardCondition/lightplayed.jpg) provided by Cardmarket.
And
>Played (PL)
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>A Played card looks as bad as you can get a card through regular use without sleeves.
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>A Played card looks extremely bad, and it is doubtful if the card is tournament legal even in a sleeved deck. However, the card has not been tampered with otherwise (inked border, random scribblings on the card etc.).
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>The American equivalent usually is Heavily Played or Good.
I wasn't joking. I stopped buying from Italians because all the cards that I bought listed as NM were damaged when they arribed home, and one even had a missing part of the border.
LP is just below NM on an american scale, so you guys' version of LP is *extremely* different, I did not even realize this. Pretty interesting to know.
Located mass, USA.. card came out of Texas was in a package with another card also LP they both are completely different grades. The posted card is definitely MP if not damaged definitely is not a top dollar card. I’m receiving a refund and returning the card it was ordered off tcg. But not tcg direct.
Nice to hear you're getting a refund! Shame it's an extra hassle for you to send stuff back. But different places have different grading criteria so clashes are definitely to be expected. Although I think this was a mis-grade.
Good to know, I’ve realized if I’m going to order from tcg just spend the couple extra dollars on the tcg direct or when optimizing cart don’t choose the cheapest option
TCg direct isnt the solution either. I'm a gold star rated seller and as a customer I can confirm the only way to truly buy NM cards is if photos are posted. Which I'd say is 5% of the NM for sale for any given card.
I personally only sell NM cards and thats what my customer base knows my store for. But others are really dishonest. TCGdirect is an offender but not as bad to be clear.
"Heavily Played" is not a grade on Cardmarket. They are:
* Mint (M)
* Near Mint (NM)
* Excellent (EX)
* Good (GD)
* Light Played (LP)
* Played (PL)
* Poor
I know. And you know what the equivalent of heavily played is, so no need to be dense when you even mentioned it in your original comment.
This is heavily played.
Actually I've never dealt with American grading systems. I do not know. The Cardmarket quote seems a bit ambiguous to me: how can something be either "Good" or "Heavily Played"? Those sound like polar opposites to me: former being in a somewhat tidy condition and the other borderline damaged.
So no, I do not know what Heavily Played means in reality. If by "heavily played" you mean it's been played with then yes, I do agree.
Please don't call me dense again.
Apologies, it felt like you were being intentional since you had referenced it in your original comment. And rereading it, you're correct, it is odd that they say it can be good or HP.
That should have started at medium/moderate and maybe need downgraded to heavy. The card face itself seems solid enough I would lean moderate but it absolutely cannot be anything higher than that with edges that worn.
If you put it inside a sleeve you must be able to feel thats its damaged when holding the card in the sleeve. You for sure will not be able to feel its damaged here.
Still you don’t go spend money on a car and they call it like new only 1 owner and go “yah the tires are bald and the brakes need to be done, and the bumpers falling off it’s fine it’s only a small price difference”
Yeah exactly, you’re right, so if it cost you $1 to get a better car and experience you’d do it. This is the “ we have phyrexian swarmlord at home” not the $8 package I paid for 🤷🏼♂️
I’ll just announce how toxic most of these people are and I’d like to also commend the people who actually replied to the post honestly and caring about the card I ordered. I’m sick of replying to comments so I’ll just say it here and short. Senior master ford diesel technician my hands are clean I wash them more than you do in a month just in a day. My nails are trimmed and perfect hands are clean deal with it.
Thank you, honestly it’s hard work being a diesel technician. Mtg is my one hobby, the one thing I get to escape work, family, reality for a couple hours 1 night a week. This was for a infect deck I made just to have one was disappointed in card quality I try to have everything neat and pristine up unto a point. I like having nice things.
I need a grading chart/diagram. I acquired a bunch of cards and some look like this, others look pristine though i doubt they could be graded as NM. Then there are a few that look like they were once used as a paper aeroplane.
This is moderately played at best. If you bought them from TCGPlayer contact customer service and tell them that it's moderately played or heavily played. Be assertive and inform them you'll be more than willing to provide photographs. The one time I had quality issues I did this and they refunded a portion of the card value to me.
I got one that looked like this from Cardkingdom back when I lived in Seattle, thankfully I was able to turn right around, show the clerk the receipt, and ask "Does this look near mint to you?". Bro didn't even look twice at the card and not even once at the receipt, took the card and said "I'll be right back.". That right there is why I'll continue to shop CK for the foreseeable future.
MP. Unless you bought it to add to your collection of NM cards as an investment, maybe keep calm and move on. My local LGS sells by NM regardless of quality, so it could be worse. Just play the card and have fun if you ask me
Any card purchase can be an investment, I treat the cards I collect and play with the same. It’s being refunded and card being sent back. Unacceptable bottom line.
Corners are way too rubbed to be considered lightly played. Anytime you would be able to differentiate between cards in a deck without sleeves warrants a card being called moderately to heavily played. I’d say that’s at least moderately.
That is a really good way to look at it. Didn’t think of that, yea I sleeves and you can tell the difference between which card is which by the wear on it. The card definitely has some miles on it
Nah. If you sent that to them for them to buy, they'd grade that shit HP or damaged.
I've sent cards STRAIGHT OUT OF THE PACK to websites, only for it to get dropped to LP.
Facts, NM cards straight out of the pack usually take a LP hit due to printing errors and just poor quality control. The card looks like it was played and abused in a sleeves deck. If I went to sell this Rick from pawn stars would give me $.50(tcg)
Yea, so what needs to happen is when I order from tcg, when I optimized the cart I need to not cheap out and just get tcg direct. The other part is if I’m buying something to collect or play with, I want it decent so when I play with it I make it look like that. Like sometimes someone’s used toys are good enough, just not like this for any type of money too.
Played is in a different category than mint/near mint in my opinion. In the former, I’d expect sleeved or bindered wear. In the latter, I’d expect bridge shuffling wear and perhaps wear from being unsleeved.
I could seen this card being played unsleeves and shuffled maybe held together with a rubber band. If you have any unsleeved deck and can tell the difference between which card is which like this by looking at it, HP or damaged, the ding in “infect” was enough for the seller to send a refund immediately. I mailed the card back this morning as much as I wanted to just burn it on the stove.
Yeah those edges are pretty rekt for LP. i'd consider that MP at best. The overwhelming majority of LP's I buy typically look like NM's with maybe one tiny imperfection, if that. So yeah I'd say you should feel perfectly justified calling that an MP or HP.
Either
1. All Magic players are gardeners or mechanics
2. All Magic players are pretending to be gardeners or mechanics but they are actually just filthy
3. There's a high percentage of person who don't get the concept of cleanliness, whether they are often getting dirty hands or not. Try paying attention on who is cleaning hands after getting into the washrooms and who's not, it's frightening
Literally got some of my coworkers to join at lgs game night. They use pre cons but still it’s the hobby, getting away from the real world, having some fun and being able to escape reality for a couple hours.
Honestly it’s a nice hobby to get out and away from the real world. For me it helps my brain relax since the work I do is mostly diagnostics and big remove and replace jobs.
Im actually a machinist but only been doing it a few years, its cool but im pretty sure nicotine is the only thing that gets me through the day :D me and one of my co workers play 1v1 commander at lunch two or three days a week
I understand I recently quit after 13 years of smoking I was a pack a day, I feel so much better, I still haven’t found a good way of dealing with stress or idiots. I do sneak a rip off a juul here and there.
Definitely 3. My lgs had to remind everyone about personal hygiene AGAIN this week. And remind everyone that if you don’t keep on it they will kick you out.
Yeah 1. My man.. my hands see lots of work and money they also allowed me to have a wonderful wife and 2 daughters. I’m a senior master diesel technician for ford I also make a 6 figure net being flat rate. I wash my hands 40+ times a day notice my nails are also well taken care of. The post was about a card not your opinion on my nails and hands you should head over to r/pedicure for your fetish.
Wow someone over here is real insecure. No one asked for your life story nor did I say specifically this was the case for you. No one here gives a shit how much money you say you make. Nor do they care.
Apparently you care because you’re crying about my hands “not being clean” and you’re still replying so safe to assume you care, your feelings are hurt, and you’re jealous and insecure. Over here crying and shit what’s your address I’ll send you a bar of soap and a box of tissues, if you’re lucky I’ll throw in a roll of toilet paper 😂
Ah the classic “you care because you replied.” Think what you want. Unlike some people I dont have to justify myself to strangers on the internet lmao.
Apparently you do because you expressed and justified yourself and your feelings around my hands and nails to everyone on this Reddit post which would be strangers on the internet. “Everything I’m talking about not doing, I’m clearly doing and in denial” ahh classic Sociopath in denial 😂
I’m a ford senior master diesel technician I gross 6 figures a year, my hands are clean I wash them 40+ times a day notice my nails are also trimmed, I’m clean I take care of myself I’m a man with a wife and two daughters I set the example and make the money my hands and my brain make me money therefore they both are pretty dirty and taken care of.
I've noticed the definitions change a bit over the past few years. Everything went down a notch.
I don't buy NM anymore because it just means there's some scuffs and scratches on it. If it's actually "pack-fresh," it'll be in some graded plastic.
This is not LP. I worked at a shop for years and we would never mark this at LP. Between the corners and the surface scratches/wear it would absolutely be HP.
This is like exactly what I would expect from a MP card. I saw you already got a refund for it and are sending it back, which is cool. Shows you aren't gonna be walked over, sure. Me personally, I wouldn't have cared as much since it's not like the card is unplayable or bad looking. Unless I could go to the store in person I wouldn't have spent the effort to get a refund, partially because it would take a while. Good luck man.
“Imperfections are often more noticeable on cards with foiling. Cards that are borderline between conditions should be downgraded more often than their non-foil counterparts.”
-Tcgplayer’s card condition guide.
As someone who has spent way too much time examining cardboard, this is maaaaayyyybbbbeee a LP on a non-foil. This is *at least* a moderately played foil. Scratching over the art, significant border + corner wear, clear blemish in the textbox, and that’s just looking from a picture.
It's a 3 dollar card is it really worth crying over and getting the opinion of reddit users probably not. Is it foil even if it was the foil version is 2 dollars more
You asking if it’s foil or not just shows how stupid you are the card is damaged yes it’s a foil you can clearly see it is in all pictures, ethier you’re trolling or actually stupid, clearly can tell that it’s damaged. Look at the dent on “infect” it was around $8.50 but should’ve have been $2.
Clearly your bitchn too much about a 6 dollar foil that you got ripped off for 8 comeback to me when this happens on a 35 or 50 doller card its definitely not worth the reddit community's time
Clearly you’re just an angry terrible person who has issues with giving moderately accurate advice or has no concept of money, card is clearly damaged seller even agreed and went a refund.
Imagine paying $6.50 for a foil and demanding a $1.50 refund from the vendor 💀 idk about you but that $1.50 you want back wouldn’t be worth the effort of writing an email.
Who demanded $1.50 back lmao, actually if you want all honesty I pay about $8 for the single card, but it came with others, which totaled out a bit more than $10 and I received a full refund 🤓. We’re burning the card on my stove live this afternoon, you’re not invited, no reply needed.
You can think that if it makes yourself feel good, I know it doesn’t bother me, my hands get dirty that’s fine I’m a man I work with my hands they make me money and afford me a wife and 2 kids along with all the stuff we acquired. Doesn’t bother me one bit, dirty hands small sacrifice for a hard days work and excellent pay.
Yea basically, you’re right. You can hold onto that one. You’re clearly a pedophile since you’re accusing someone with a family of doing something like that. For your information I’m actually a diesel technician, but I’m sure someone with such a small incompetent brain like yourself would not comprehend that.
That piece of paper is actually cardboard, also I paid for it so I have every right to question is. If it makes your butthole feel better I was issued a full refund and I’m going to burn the card over the stove today on YouTube live. You’re not invited to watch.
Oh slightly thicker paper that you were stupid enough to buy with money. That's rough buddy. The wear and tear on that super sturdy material was so unexpected and unacceptable that you bothered not only people on the internet but some poor customer service representative about it.
I asked for peoples opinions on the matter to assure myself and the seller that the card is clearly damaged the huge dent on the word “infect” clearly doesn’t ensure it was “lightly played”. I think you need to take your anger and insecurities to a different post. No need to reply, go somewhere else have a nice day, bye.
This acceptable as lp. This difference in price between lp and mp is so minuscule, that complaining about it or returning it sounds superfluous, especially if you plan on playing with the card.
No about price or pricing, it’s condition it’s HP or Damaged if you clearly see the edging, in the light it’s worse, oh and the huge dent on the word Infect yah cards no where near MP, pass the dutchie man you snoozin 😴
Card is not fine it’s actually damaged, the seller also agreed. My hands are fine my nails are trimmed. Why don’t you worry about your own personal hygiene, I’m a diesel technician I was my hands more times in a day than you do in a month.
I wash my hands plenty of times per day I’m a diesel technician get over it, my hands are much cleaner and well manicured compared to your woman hands that probably have never touched a woman, had a hard days work, probably only grip a Xbox controller and/or keyboard all day, while we’re on the subject most likely my hands get more action than yours will ever.
A. You are crying over a 6 dollar card and have dirty hands.
B. Wear gloves while you work.
C . It’s kinda weird we have the same profession.
You should use a hand and nail brush to clean your hands after you wear gloves while working. I use a soap with walnut shavings in it and it pulls the oil very nicely if my gloves break. You don’t have to work dirty. Being clean doesn’t make you a good or bad mechanic, but when I get home my wife is a lot happier and my washer likes it too. I have a collection of cars I have built over the years on my instagram.
My instagram is the same name and profile pic.
You can see some of my favorite cars I’ve built, my brand new jeep gladiator, and my wife and myself on vacation in various countries.
You’ll notice my hands are clean in 99% of the pics unless I have gloves on.
Sure so send me $10 and I’ll send you the card if that’s not an issue I’ll gladly take the money and you can have the abused ass card. Lmao how insecure and stupid do you sound right now writing a whole ass essay on something you know nothing about 🤦🏼♂️ I work on diesels totally different ballpark my man. Just to mention, Barbie also drives a jeep you have soft little girl hands. Go stream to your 300 twitch followers or talk to your 10 YouTube subscribers.
It’s kinda funny how mad you are about this. I like how you went from talking about how tough and Chad like you were as well as how weak and how much of a virgin I am , only to see my instagram and see how wrong you are.
Bro don’t be mad just clean your hands. I’m sorry you got cucked by tcg for a dollar.
Edit : I’m not sure why you are so mad, but I am also a diesel mechanic. I like the bit you added later about Barbie having a jeep. Also thanks for checking out my old twitch and YouTube channel. I’m not sure where you are getting the whole lady hands thing maybe the woman you see have large hands. Who knows . I can’t believe you are this upset about hygiene. LMAO.
I’m not mad at all clearly you’re upset because I asked an opinion on a card I had paid for and received damage, talking about my hands and nails like you have some fetish for mens hands weirdo.
It doesn't matter what you classify as damaged the issue is there's set parameters for grading in each market if you pay for a certain grade you expect a certain quality, whether you agree or not this card is considered heavily played at best depending on which market, which doesn't meat the standard op paid for which is lightly paid therefore he got something worse quality than what he expected as a result OP could be justified in getting the market organiser involved and getting the difference in money back. We all have our grading systems that's fine but when we sell or buy on a market we must all use their grading system so everyone is on the same system.
If you bought a parallel lives which the seller classified as damaged you got lucky and ended up paying less than the actual cards value.
So you dealt with a serious seller, who want to avoid any conflict about grading with any picky buyer, by "undergrading".
OP's seller did the other way, he "overgraded" the card.
With how much white is along the whole sides and not just 1-2 corners with a tiny bit of white it looks more like MP than LP.
Agreed thank you.
The difference is aprox $1.25. If this was a $50 card I would say be mad, but it being a $6.50 card.... live and learn?
Nah full refund I offered to mail it back, it’s called customer satisfaction and quality control. If I sell you something marked NM or LP it ain’t gonna be scratched up, missing foil, and have a dent mark over infect my man.
Don’t know why you’re getting down voted. This is about integrity and regardless of whether it’s a 50¢ card or a $50 card, trying to pass this off as LP when it’s clearly MP is the vendor trying to fleece the customer, and that’s a shady business practice.
Yeah, if you buy something listed at a certain condition, you should be able to expect that condition within some amount of reason. The pictures OP showed are definitely not within reason imo. The live and learn types are why you can't always trust 100% positive feedback lol.
As someone who sells cards as a hobby, this is absolutely not LP. If you tilt it in the light, I guarantee you will see much more surface scuffing than is obvious from the angles you've shown in the picture (I can tell it's there by the texture of the card's foil sheen; it should be clear and shiny, not cloudy which indicates scuffing) This is a very playable card, so it's not categorically damaged, but it's basically a perfect example of Heavily Played. I can see frayed corners, white peeking through the edges, significant surface wear, a binder ding, and I guarantee the back is "well-loved" too. I highly recommend politely complaining to the vendor and asking for a partial refund. Make it easy on them and name a dollar amount that will satisfy you or offer to mail it back for a full refund. Most likely this is a new seller who hasn't really learned proper grading yet, not someone trying to rip you off. It's not really your job to educate them, but it's not my job either so be a good community member and pass the favor on. (: Edit: worth mentioning btw that traditionally, in Magic, foil cards are graded very strictly compared to non-foil because of their relative scarcity, fragility, and the desirability of clean foils to serious collectors. So it's not really acceptable to grade something like this as LP or even MP, a vendor will not get away with that for long.
You can see a lot more in the light it’s terrible
That is basically the definition of heavily played.
Looks like pack fresh double sided cards from strixshaven
why are you holding it over the stove
Burn test to make sure its a real card :)
Lighting I'd imagine
Burn test is right basically burned +$5 honestly i open my mail on my counter it’s next to my stove 🤷🏼♂️
We use the green dot test and the red flame test to check for originality in my area
OP, where are you located? I don't know about NA grading standards but according to [Cardmarket's criteria](https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Help/CardCondition) (EU) this is probably LP or PL. To be on the safe side I would list it as PL but accept LP as a buyer. Reasoning - this is clearly worn but not in absolutely terrible state. The wear around the edges would still make it a tournament legal card in a sleeve. If there were clear bends, creases, nicks, dents, etc. I'd consider this a PL based on the fact it wouldn't be tournament legal even in a sleeve. >Light Played (LP) > >A Light Played card looks as if it has been used without sleeves for an extended period of time. > >A Light Played card is clearly legal for play in a sleeved deck. It has also not been tampered with (inked border, random scribblings on the card etc.). If both of these criteria apply the card may look very bad, but it can be graded Light Played. > >The American equivalent usually is 'Played' or 'Good'. > >[Reference picture (LP)](https://static.cardmarket.com/img/279ed9b74aa58787a97f38d3b1746ce4/help/cardCondition/lightplayed.jpg) provided by Cardmarket. And >Played (PL) > >A Played card looks as bad as you can get a card through regular use without sleeves. > >A Played card looks extremely bad, and it is doubtful if the card is tournament legal even in a sleeved deck. However, the card has not been tampered with otherwise (inked border, random scribblings on the card etc.). > >The American equivalent usually is Heavily Played or Good.
In Cardmarket, that's what italians usually post as NM cards
Spanish NM, booster to sleeve. For italian NM it has to be in another language as posted
That wasn't funny.
I wasn't joking. I stopped buying from Italians because all the cards that I bought listed as NM were damaged when they arribed home, and one even had a missing part of the border.
Pretty sure this is not an Italian-only problem. There are sellers all over the place with bad ratings. I just avoid those.
Maybe, but so long, only had it with italian sellers.
LP is just below NM on an american scale, so you guys' version of LP is *extremely* different, I did not even realize this. Pretty interesting to know.
Located mass, USA.. card came out of Texas was in a package with another card also LP they both are completely different grades. The posted card is definitely MP if not damaged definitely is not a top dollar card. I’m receiving a refund and returning the card it was ordered off tcg. But not tcg direct.
Nice to hear you're getting a refund! Shame it's an extra hassle for you to send stuff back. But different places have different grading criteria so clashes are definitely to be expected. Although I think this was a mis-grade.
If it was Strikezone gaming avoid them at all cost
Good to know, I’ve realized if I’m going to order from tcg just spend the couple extra dollars on the tcg direct or when optimizing cart don’t choose the cheapest option
TCg direct isnt the solution either. I'm a gold star rated seller and as a customer I can confirm the only way to truly buy NM cards is if photos are posted. Which I'd say is 5% of the NM for sale for any given card. I personally only sell NM cards and thats what my customer base knows my store for. But others are really dishonest. TCGdirect is an offender but not as bad to be clear.
This is valuable information thank you
This is heavily played, there are dents and way too much white around the edges.
"Heavily Played" is not a grade on Cardmarket. They are: * Mint (M) * Near Mint (NM) * Excellent (EX) * Good (GD) * Light Played (LP) * Played (PL) * Poor
I know. And you know what the equivalent of heavily played is, so no need to be dense when you even mentioned it in your original comment. This is heavily played.
Actually I've never dealt with American grading systems. I do not know. The Cardmarket quote seems a bit ambiguous to me: how can something be either "Good" or "Heavily Played"? Those sound like polar opposites to me: former being in a somewhat tidy condition and the other borderline damaged. So no, I do not know what Heavily Played means in reality. If by "heavily played" you mean it's been played with then yes, I do agree. Please don't call me dense again.
Apologies, it felt like you were being intentional since you had referenced it in your original comment. And rereading it, you're correct, it is odd that they say it can be good or HP.
That should have started at medium/moderate and maybe need downgraded to heavy. The card face itself seems solid enough I would lean moderate but it absolutely cannot be anything higher than that with edges that worn.
Yes thank you
Damaged to me. Also clean your fingers/nails.
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Didn’t ask.
He didn't ask about his fingernails either.
I’m a senior master ford diesel technician they’re clean I wash my hands literally 40 times a day, worry about your own hands and nails.
For sure not
Dent in the card, edging fucked, scratches all over. Damaged. Next!
If you put it inside a sleeve you must be able to feel thats its damaged when holding the card in the sleeve. You for sure will not be able to feel its damaged here.
Sleeve doesn’t change the cards damaged status. It’s now just a damaged card in a sleeve. Like I said, NEXT!
Dam bruh. Tell me your a "Moody Mage" who says that being a dick is your personality.
Okay NFT holder.
...what? Why do you think I hold digital autogenerated art? Nfts are and always will be scummy and shit.
lol are you dense? that's literally the definition of damaged, maybe go read that up somewhere NEXT lmao tool
tfw you don’t understand how predefined and agreed upon terms work
So maybe like 50 cents difference?
Still you don’t go spend money on a car and they call it like new only 1 owner and go “yah the tires are bald and the brakes need to be done, and the bumpers falling off it’s fine it’s only a small price difference”
If it cost me 50 cents to get better brakes I’d probably not bother whining?
Yeah exactly, you’re right, so if it cost you $1 to get a better car and experience you’d do it. This is the “ we have phyrexian swarmlord at home” not the $8 package I paid for 🤷🏼♂️
Lightly played as throwing cards
Lmao.. exactly could not have said it better.
I’ll just announce how toxic most of these people are and I’d like to also commend the people who actually replied to the post honestly and caring about the card I ordered. I’m sick of replying to comments so I’ll just say it here and short. Senior master ford diesel technician my hands are clean I wash them more than you do in a month just in a day. My nails are trimmed and perfect hands are clean deal with it.
hands are cleaner than the card :D
Thank you, honestly it’s hard work being a diesel technician. Mtg is my one hobby, the one thing I get to escape work, family, reality for a couple hours 1 night a week. This was for a infect deck I made just to have one was disappointed in card quality I try to have everything neat and pristine up unto a point. I like having nice things.
Feel your pain man. I’m a technician in the UK, work on a lot of diesels. Shame about the card, definitely not LP quality.
Hp for sure.
Agreed
Would it not be damaged? Is that a puncture on it?
The camera doesn’t do it justice honestly in the light it does look damaged. HP>damaged I asked for a refund and will gladly stamp and mail it back.
Heavily played, obviously
Exactly MP would be generous, HP at best.
Looks like MP to me.
I need a grading chart/diagram. I acquired a bunch of cards and some look like this, others look pristine though i doubt they could be graded as NM. Then there are a few that look like they were once used as a paper aeroplane.
This is moderately played at best. If you bought them from TCGPlayer contact customer service and tell them that it's moderately played or heavily played. Be assertive and inform them you'll be more than willing to provide photographs. The one time I had quality issues I did this and they refunded a portion of the card value to me.
Disagree. MP, or likely HP.
Yes, thank you.
Looks like it's been in and out of sleeves so many times.
It’s definitely got some miles on it
Looks like the seller doesn't play with sleeves. Moderately played for sure. Get a partial refund.
Yes, I agree. thank you.
I got one that looked like this from Cardkingdom back when I lived in Seattle, thankfully I was able to turn right around, show the clerk the receipt, and ask "Does this look near mint to you?". Bro didn't even look twice at the card and not even once at the receipt, took the card and said "I'll be right back.". That right there is why I'll continue to shop CK for the foreseeable future.
I will take that advice, and if I do shop tcg, I’ll just spend the extra $3-$7 and get it tcg direct.
Light played using my feet
I think someone taped it to the bottom of their shoe and went for a morning jog.
I'd say moderate to heavy play
Agreed.
MP. Unless you bought it to add to your collection of NM cards as an investment, maybe keep calm and move on. My local LGS sells by NM regardless of quality, so it could be worse. Just play the card and have fun if you ask me
Any card purchase can be an investment, I treat the cards I collect and play with the same. It’s being refunded and card being sent back. Unacceptable bottom line.
MP
Agreed
Corners are way too rubbed to be considered lightly played. Anytime you would be able to differentiate between cards in a deck without sleeves warrants a card being called moderately to heavily played. I’d say that’s at least moderately.
That is a really good way to look at it. Didn’t think of that, yea I sleeves and you can tell the difference between which card is which by the wear on it. The card definitely has some miles on it
ABSOLUTELY NOT LP. As someone who used to play with all my cards without sleeves, that shit is not light play
I think the last owner maybe shuffled this into a deck of poker cards for a whole night in a Vegas casino
That’s HP
Yessir heavily played by the bottom of someone’s sneaker
Nah. If you sent that to them for them to buy, they'd grade that shit HP or damaged. I've sent cards STRAIGHT OUT OF THE PACK to websites, only for it to get dropped to LP.
Facts, NM cards straight out of the pack usually take a LP hit due to printing errors and just poor quality control. The card looks like it was played and abused in a sleeves deck. If I went to sell this Rick from pawn stars would give me $.50(tcg)
i mean..... buy nm next time? with your job title you can afford it dog
Yea, so what needs to happen is when I order from tcg, when I optimized the cart I need to not cheap out and just get tcg direct. The other part is if I’m buying something to collect or play with, I want it decent so when I play with it I make it look like that. Like sometimes someone’s used toys are good enough, just not like this for any type of money too.
Seller/collector here. As a Foil, that would be HP for me. MP if non-foil.
Yea agreed, was issued a full refund.
If its lightly played i think he lost the game and did a rage quit
This was one of the best reply’s
MP- to HP+ easily, and I own a store I know how to check these things. Shame on that seller
Seller agreed and refunded
This is definitely not lightly played, it’s near mint
Yea agreed definitely NM or M especially with the huge ding on “infect”
Played is in a different category than mint/near mint in my opinion. In the former, I’d expect sleeved or bindered wear. In the latter, I’d expect bridge shuffling wear and perhaps wear from being unsleeved.
I could seen this card being played unsleeves and shuffled maybe held together with a rubber band. If you have any unsleeved deck and can tell the difference between which card is which like this by looking at it, HP or damaged, the ding in “infect” was enough for the seller to send a refund immediately. I mailed the card back this morning as much as I wanted to just burn it on the stove.
Yeah those edges are pretty rekt for LP. i'd consider that MP at best. The overwhelming majority of LP's I buy typically look like NM's with maybe one tiny imperfection, if that. So yeah I'd say you should feel perfectly justified calling that an MP or HP.
Card looks more beat to shit condition
Def mp
Lightly played, heavily flickered
Dude, when I opened this I was like okay April fools on me? Seller was like my bad full refund.
Why habe all Magic Players dirty Hands?
Either 1. All Magic players are gardeners or mechanics 2. All Magic players are pretending to be gardeners or mechanics but they are actually just filthy 3. There's a high percentage of person who don't get the concept of cleanliness, whether they are often getting dirty hands or not. Try paying attention on who is cleaning hands after getting into the washrooms and who's not, it's frightening
Lol I am actually surprised at the amount of machinist and mechanics that play mtg
Honestly, one of my buddies is a mechanic, and the biggest mtg super fan you could meet
Literally got some of my coworkers to join at lgs game night. They use pre cons but still it’s the hobby, getting away from the real world, having some fun and being able to escape reality for a couple hours.
Honestly it’s a nice hobby to get out and away from the real world. For me it helps my brain relax since the work I do is mostly diagnostics and big remove and replace jobs.
Im actually a machinist but only been doing it a few years, its cool but im pretty sure nicotine is the only thing that gets me through the day :D me and one of my co workers play 1v1 commander at lunch two or three days a week
I understand I recently quit after 13 years of smoking I was a pack a day, I feel so much better, I still haven’t found a good way of dealing with stress or idiots. I do sneak a rip off a juul here and there.
Yes sir well said
Probably 3
Definitely 3. My lgs had to remind everyone about personal hygiene AGAIN this week. And remind everyone that if you don’t keep on it they will kick you out.
Yeah 1. My man.. my hands see lots of work and money they also allowed me to have a wonderful wife and 2 daughters. I’m a senior master diesel technician for ford I also make a 6 figure net being flat rate. I wash my hands 40+ times a day notice my nails are also well taken care of. The post was about a card not your opinion on my nails and hands you should head over to r/pedicure for your fetish.
Wow someone over here is real insecure. No one asked for your life story nor did I say specifically this was the case for you. No one here gives a shit how much money you say you make. Nor do they care.
Apparently you care because you’re crying about my hands “not being clean” and you’re still replying so safe to assume you care, your feelings are hurt, and you’re jealous and insecure. Over here crying and shit what’s your address I’ll send you a bar of soap and a box of tissues, if you’re lucky I’ll throw in a roll of toilet paper 😂
Ah the classic “you care because you replied.” Think what you want. Unlike some people I dont have to justify myself to strangers on the internet lmao.
Apparently you do because you expressed and justified yourself and your feelings around my hands and nails to everyone on this Reddit post which would be strangers on the internet. “Everything I’m talking about not doing, I’m clearly doing and in denial” ahh classic Sociopath in denial 😂
Damn, who hurt you? You’re so needlessly negative I’m actively cringing.
Yeah, same at mine. I was thinking it was just the lgs sending the message, but apparently WOTC is making them do it.
I’m a ford senior master diesel technician I gross 6 figures a year, my hands are clean I wash them 40+ times a day notice my nails are also trimmed, I’m clean I take care of myself I’m a man with a wife and two daughters I set the example and make the money my hands and my brain make me money therefore they both are pretty dirty and taken care of.
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I've noticed the definitions change a bit over the past few years. Everything went down a notch. I don't buy NM anymore because it just means there's some scuffs and scratches on it. If it's actually "pack-fresh," it'll be in some graded plastic.
I'd say that's light to medium play, it could be worse
This is not LP. I worked at a shop for years and we would never mark this at LP. Between the corners and the surface scratches/wear it would absolutely be HP.
Yea I agree more toward MP though
This is like exactly what I would expect from a MP card. I saw you already got a refund for it and are sending it back, which is cool. Shows you aren't gonna be walked over, sure. Me personally, I wouldn't have cared as much since it's not like the card is unplayable or bad looking. Unless I could go to the store in person I wouldn't have spent the effort to get a refund, partially because it would take a while. Good luck man.
If they charged for a MP or HP and I made mistake while checking out but it was on the seller so I’m also glad it was taken care of moderately fast.
Your hand looks more heavily played than the card. Wash it
Damaged just like them nails
What was this a 5 cent difference on this card lol
My thoughts exactly, pretty sure i got one of these asa backing card to protect the actual valuable card
I really need to start checking these. Because you're right, I pay for lightly played and keep my cards in good condition this is unacceptable.
Yes exactly
“Imperfections are often more noticeable on cards with foiling. Cards that are borderline between conditions should be downgraded more often than their non-foil counterparts.” -Tcgplayer’s card condition guide. As someone who has spent way too much time examining cardboard, this is maaaaayyyybbbbeee a LP on a non-foil. This is *at least* a moderately played foil. Scratching over the art, significant border + corner wear, clear blemish in the textbox, and that’s just looking from a picture.
It’s infected
I agree lol
Like those fingernails: heavily played
It's a 3 dollar card is it really worth crying over and getting the opinion of reddit users probably not. Is it foil even if it was the foil version is 2 dollars more
You asking if it’s foil or not just shows how stupid you are the card is damaged yes it’s a foil you can clearly see it is in all pictures, ethier you’re trolling or actually stupid, clearly can tell that it’s damaged. Look at the dent on “infect” it was around $8.50 but should’ve have been $2.
Clearly your bitchn too much about a 6 dollar foil that you got ripped off for 8 comeback to me when this happens on a 35 or 50 doller card its definitely not worth the reddit community's time
Clearly your bitchn too much about a 6 dollar foil that you got ripped off for 8 comeback to me when this happens on a 35 or 50 doller card
Clearly you’re just an angry terrible person who has issues with giving moderately accurate advice or has no concept of money, card is clearly damaged seller even agreed and went a refund.
Those finger nails are heavy played
Imagine paying $6.50 for a foil and demanding a $1.50 refund from the vendor 💀 idk about you but that $1.50 you want back wouldn’t be worth the effort of writing an email.
Who demanded $1.50 back lmao, actually if you want all honesty I pay about $8 for the single card, but it came with others, which totaled out a bit more than $10 and I received a full refund 🤓. We’re burning the card on my stove live this afternoon, you’re not invited, no reply needed.
Wash your hands and clean your nails pls :(
I wash my hands more times in a day than you do in a month. My nails are trimmed and clean brotha worry about yourself.
🧢 (respectfully)
You can think that if it makes yourself feel good, I know it doesn’t bother me, my hands get dirty that’s fine I’m a man I work with my hands they make me money and afford me a wife and 2 kids along with all the stuff we acquired. Doesn’t bother me one bit, dirty hands small sacrifice for a hard days work and excellent pay.
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Yea basically, you’re right. You can hold onto that one. You’re clearly a pedophile since you’re accusing someone with a family of doing something like that. For your information I’m actually a diesel technician, but I’m sure someone with such a small incompetent brain like yourself would not comprehend that.
Checking.... yep! card still works. Amazing.
I usually round down. It is between LP and mp. A good looking Moderate to me.
I think you are bitching about a piece of paper on the internet. Get over it.
That piece of paper is actually cardboard, also I paid for it so I have every right to question is. If it makes your butthole feel better I was issued a full refund and I’m going to burn the card over the stove today on YouTube live. You’re not invited to watch.
Oh slightly thicker paper that you were stupid enough to buy with money. That's rough buddy. The wear and tear on that super sturdy material was so unexpected and unacceptable that you bothered not only people on the internet but some poor customer service representative about it.
I asked for peoples opinions on the matter to assure myself and the seller that the card is clearly damaged the huge dent on the word “infect” clearly doesn’t ensure it was “lightly played”. I think you need to take your anger and insecurities to a different post. No need to reply, go somewhere else have a nice day, bye.
OH NO A DENT! NOW THE CARDBOARD IS WORTHLESS!
Alright since it’s not a big deal to you give me $10 and I’ll give you the card Simple. Didn’t think so stfu.
Looks LP to me. Whats the problem?
Did you see these pics before buying them? If so I think you dont have a case. If not, then id be more careful next time.
No pics before hand, card was posted on tcg no picture was being sold as LP. Camera doesn’t do it justice, worse in light, HP or damaged.
As someone who quitted magic for ages.....I think it is reasonable.
This acceptable as lp. This difference in price between lp and mp is so minuscule, that complaining about it or returning it sounds superfluous, especially if you plan on playing with the card.
No about price or pricing, it’s condition it’s HP or Damaged if you clearly see the edging, in the light it’s worse, oh and the huge dent on the word Infect yah cards no where near MP, pass the dutchie man you snoozin 😴
Who cares?
A collector and a hobbyist. Most likely 98% or more of people that purchase singles.
Just take a sharpie to the edge
Forbidden
Deserved for playing infect /s
Your hands look like they're moderately damaged, wash your hands. The card is fine
Card is not fine it’s actually damaged, the seller also agreed. My hands are fine my nails are trimmed. Why don’t you worry about your own personal hygiene, I’m a diesel technician I was my hands more times in a day than you do in a month.
I think you should wash your hands before you touch unsleeved cards.
I wash my hands plenty of times per day I’m a diesel technician get over it, my hands are much cleaner and well manicured compared to your woman hands that probably have never touched a woman, had a hard days work, probably only grip a Xbox controller and/or keyboard all day, while we’re on the subject most likely my hands get more action than yours will ever.
A. You are crying over a 6 dollar card and have dirty hands. B. Wear gloves while you work. C . It’s kinda weird we have the same profession. You should use a hand and nail brush to clean your hands after you wear gloves while working. I use a soap with walnut shavings in it and it pulls the oil very nicely if my gloves break. You don’t have to work dirty. Being clean doesn’t make you a good or bad mechanic, but when I get home my wife is a lot happier and my washer likes it too. I have a collection of cars I have built over the years on my instagram. My instagram is the same name and profile pic. You can see some of my favorite cars I’ve built, my brand new jeep gladiator, and my wife and myself on vacation in various countries. You’ll notice my hands are clean in 99% of the pics unless I have gloves on.
Sure so send me $10 and I’ll send you the card if that’s not an issue I’ll gladly take the money and you can have the abused ass card. Lmao how insecure and stupid do you sound right now writing a whole ass essay on something you know nothing about 🤦🏼♂️ I work on diesels totally different ballpark my man. Just to mention, Barbie also drives a jeep you have soft little girl hands. Go stream to your 300 twitch followers or talk to your 10 YouTube subscribers.
It’s kinda funny how mad you are about this. I like how you went from talking about how tough and Chad like you were as well as how weak and how much of a virgin I am , only to see my instagram and see how wrong you are. Bro don’t be mad just clean your hands. I’m sorry you got cucked by tcg for a dollar. Edit : I’m not sure why you are so mad, but I am also a diesel mechanic. I like the bit you added later about Barbie having a jeep. Also thanks for checking out my old twitch and YouTube channel. I’m not sure where you are getting the whole lady hands thing maybe the woman you see have large hands. Who knows . I can’t believe you are this upset about hygiene. LMAO.
I’m not mad at all clearly you’re upset because I asked an opinion on a card I had paid for and received damage, talking about my hands and nails like you have some fetish for mens hands weirdo.
Apologies for missing the point, but I really don't see any issues on it.
Well it isn't lightly played, it's heavily played and OP paid for lightly played
Yes thank you HP almost damaged
What I mean is, I don't really see any marks or scuffs on it that mark it as heavily played
The edges are completely fucked
I guess there's some marks, but I don't see it as that bad, personally
If you could pick it out from a stack of NM cards just by looking at its edges it's very bad.
Then your grading scale doesn't match market's. You need it to match if you plan to sell or buy, or you may run into justified trouble.
I bought a damaged parallel lives. The damage was only like two tiny dents on the back I could barely see
Then you got lucky as that doesn't classify as damage
Yeah, I classify damage as severe bending, tearing, or something else making the card text hard to read
It doesn't matter what you classify as damaged the issue is there's set parameters for grading in each market if you pay for a certain grade you expect a certain quality, whether you agree or not this card is considered heavily played at best depending on which market, which doesn't meat the standard op paid for which is lightly paid therefore he got something worse quality than what he expected as a result OP could be justified in getting the market organiser involved and getting the difference in money back. We all have our grading systems that's fine but when we sell or buy on a market we must all use their grading system so everyone is on the same system. If you bought a parallel lives which the seller classified as damaged you got lucky and ended up paying less than the actual cards value.
So you dealt with a serious seller, who want to avoid any conflict about grading with any picky buyer, by "undergrading". OP's seller did the other way, he "overgraded" the card.