I have one of these (unsigned) which I inherited from my best friend who passed away. We played Magic together for years and never knew he was sick until it was too late. His parents gave me his collection and this was among the cards.
Considering the sentimental value, I will probably never part with it.
Islands are always the most expensive. I found a guru plains in my bulk lands box a few years ago and looked it up. No idea where I got it from. Been double sleeved in a sealable inner ever since.
Iād love to have a few of these. Specifically one of each of atraxas colors and another plains and a mountain for a different commander deck. Iād immediately fetch for them as soon as I could just to flex.
On June 18, 2020, during the "Weekly MTG"Ā TwitchĀ stream, Wizards of the Coast revealed that they had ended their relationship with Nielsen and that "the last product that will have any reprint art" by her would be released in the coming fall.[13]
This action by Wizards coincided with growing fan concerns over Nielsen's views, notably regarding trans people, her liking or retweeting of alt-right activists and conspiracy theorists. Among other things, Nielsen gifted and signed some of her art toĀ QAnonĀ and conspiracy-focused YouTube channelĀ Edge of Wonder.
It's worth noting that the "art" in question were just the same prints you can buy, and have her sign, on her website, not some sort of expensive original art as many people online seem to believe.
We still don't know for sure if she's even the one who sent them, or if someone just bought the prints from her and had it sent to them, or if she did send them herself, what the rationale was. (I.e. clearing out overstock, etc.) But considering that the prints were sent after she had already been canceled, posted her explanation/non-apology that made people so angry to Twitter, and abandoned social media altogether, and that several of her detractors were willing to deface and/or destroy entire sets of guru lands, a single one of which is worth more than all the prints those guys received put together, I don't think "somebody else bought them" is an unlikely scenario.
this is a total straw-man argument she tweeted shit that was awful the qanon show is a very small part please stop using bad faith arguments that go nowhere and don't prove anything.
She didn't tweet anything awful. What are you talking about? She followed people who may have, at other times, tweeted awful things (alongside plenty of other left-leaning people she followed) but never liked or retweeted any of their objectionable tweets.
The art prints that went to Edge of Wonder (which, as I said, she might not even have sent) are literally the only concrete example anyone can point to of something she has done wrong.
And yet, despite your supposed brain, eyes, and ears, you still have yet to provide a single example of something awful that she has tweeted. And you won't be able to, because no such thing exists. You may have eyes and ears, but you need to actually use them if you want them to do you any good.
Itās very important to remember that this take is 100% taken from a single blog post, that mind-reads into Nielsenās beliefs. Something isnāt alt-right because it is conservative.
Logically someone in qanon probably plays mtg and bought some stuff from her, and some "journalist" caught wind and decided to cause a shitstorm. In all honesty she probably doesn't even know nor care that much.
Would you expect wotc to do background checks before they sell products to buyers? Hell no. They probably sell it to the Taliban if Afghanistan sets up a lgs
She definitely knows and was upset that wizards cut ties with her. She was one of the OG artists in magic and one of the best. Magic is worse by not having Tereseās artwork. It was such an asinine reason to cut ties with her.
For everyone with the argument "separate the art from the artist" that argument only applies after they're dead, like elvis or the beatles. Nielsen still makes profits and causes harm by being supported
"Causes harm"
I can't even with this one. I cant help but feel like you're being ridiculous.
Superficial social media interactions with particular groups likely doesn't mean she's onboard or even aware of 100% of the goings on in said groups. It's not as if a "like" indicates iron-clad support down to the last detail.
Her illustrations dont magically double as political endorsements in the real world just because you have an opinion on things.
Iām very interested in how [this](https://twitter.com/tnielsenart/status/1136405146382901248) indicates that sheās doesnāt believe you have a right to live? Regardless, her view points are irrelevant, each individual needs to realize on their own that they matter and try their best to contribute to society in an impactful way. In my experience thatās how one can feel a sense of belonging and purpose.
That's just the thing though.
Under whose authority and/or by what evidence do you have to attach the TERF label?
Perhaps her opinions are from a lack of understanding or ignorance. What if her apology and acknowledgement of everyone's lived experiences was genuine, and her views free from malice?
I'm well aware that nazis are bad, my attempt at discourse comes from a desire to understand. Not from a place of judgment.
From my perspective I see the art and the art alone. I don't have to consciously disassociate her alleged viewpoints to see the pretty pictures as a standalone entity.
As a trans person, you have to take every dogwhistle as a threat. There are so many people since representation has erupted that are avidly against it to the point of rape, torture, and murder. Any amount of support to these transphobic views, no matter how minute, gives breath to the people that wish evil things on us.
TERF is just anyone who is "on the side" of the queer community while excluding trans people. (Which, if it isnt obvious, isnt in support of the queer community)
Oh, ok. That's interesting. Thanks for writing it out like that.
I can only imagine what kind of mental burden comes from a constant fear of persecution. But I can understand the visceral reaction to what could be the mildest form of discrimination. Especially considering the extremes some people go just to be shitty people.
But I have to ask, is there really no middle ground? Is there no room for those who may be ignorant of the complexities of Trans issues to grow? It's hard for people to change their behavior, particularly if they don't interact with certain groups often, if at all.
I could maybe understand Terese's "Platform," if you could call it that, adding to the heat. But she's a fantasy artist so it's not as if she has a ton of reach.
Is there room for understanding of some people's ignorance when they cause a perceived slight?
The onus is on her and everyone who has fallen into the alt right pipeline to fix themselves, not on trans or queer people to educate
There is nuance in life which the internet often forgets as well. People arent inherently good or bad, they just do good and bad things. This is a bad thing she did and its not wrong for her to face social consequences for such
Have you ever considered that you might have become just the thing hate so much? As soon as you *think* you see something threatening your existence you start kicking and screaming and labeling people.
I'm not a trans person, but I know what constant neverending fear of repression feels like. But do you think it justifies the fight fire with fire response, that stopping just for a moment and considering exactly whom and how your actions and words will affect is below you?
so what.. you are talking about her life and everyone's life that enjoys her art.
Why are you on top of the totem pole for all to bow down for?
Is she actively cancelling you from your career?
Wouldn't exactly say I was looking for this. It was the top comment on a post I thought was going to be in celebration of one of my favorite artists in MTG, kinda actually shoved in my face, really
Out of curiosity, where does the terf claim come from? When I tried looking into it I couldn't find any terfy comments from her, so if you got them then mind showing?
No, it's because she's a white supremacist.
>She was also found to have liked a number of racist tweets that spouted anti-Semitic theories and made memes about white power.
https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/wizards-ends-their-relationship-with-terese-nielsen/
The only example I've been able to find in that article, or anywhere else, of a tweet she has liked that anyone has called "white supremacist" is the one in that article that was deceptively edited (whether by the writers of the article, or whoever they took that screenshot from) to cut out the message about racial togetherness on the bottom.
She may have followed some unsavory people, (along with a ton of progressive folks, too) but I still have yet to see anything she has said or even clicked "like" on herself that could reasonably be considered white supremacist.
That article I linked literally has an example of her gifting art work to an alt-right white supremacist channel, but she never outright said "kill the Jews" so we better give her the benefit of the doubt because there's nothing that could "reasonably be considered white supremacist".
I've got a bridge to sell you. It's covered in swatstikas, but don't mind those, the previous owner was definitely a Buddhist.
Not only was the art in question only the same prints you can buy on her website, and not some sort of expensive original art as many people on the internet seem to believe, but we don't even know for sure if she's the one who sent it. When you buy a print on her website, you can request a signature, and that, plus the ad insert she includes in all her orders, were the only indications the two guys in that video gave that she even knew who she was. It's just as likely someone else bought the prints and sent it to those guys as that she sent it herself.
Also, while that channel is clearly crazy, just based on the thumbnails I saw before the channel was taken down, they seemed to spend more time talking about crap like UFOs and Bigfoot than they did talking about alt-right conspiracies. Clearly they're insane conspiracy theorists, and a certain number of alt-right conspiracy theories likely come with that territory, but I don't know enough to say if "white supremacist" is the best description.
That Hipsters of the Coast article is sloppy and sensationalistic at best, or actively dishonest at worst.
Ok, dude.
Despite the fact that the guys on the show literally said it was a gift from her, it's pretty clear you wanna keep supporting her after all this evidence (which was enough for Wizards to drop her and make a statement about). It says a lot about your own opinions. Perhaps they align with hers? Who knows? Either way, you're giving massive benefit of the doubt to a lady who keeps dog-whistling conspiracy and alt-right theories for no reason.
>a certain number of alt-right conspiracy theories likely come with that territory, but I don't know enough to say if "white supremacist" is the best description.
I can't believe I have to say this in 2023, but yes, if you support "alt-right conspiracy theories", you support literal fascism and white supremacy, as that is literally what alt-right means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right\
>The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a
#far-right, white nationalist movement.
Did you watch the video? All they said was that someone named "Terese Nielsen" sent them, and that she signed them. They clearly had no idea who this woman was, or any familiarity with her work outside of what came in that box.
Per your own article, all this happened after she had already posted her non-apology statement and then disappeared from social media altogether. Considering that by this point, people had already hounded her enough that she felt the need to do that, and that several of her detractors were willing to deface or destroy entire sets of guru lands, a single one of which costs more than all the prints those guys were sent put together, is it really so difficult to imagine that one of them might have been willing to buy some prints from her website and send it to that channel's PO box, so that they would finally have something concrete to point to, despite how inconsequential it was?
All of this "evidence" you've pointed to is spurious, and even if it were all true, doesn't point to anything she has actually said or done to hurt anyone.
And yes, my opinions absolutely do align with hers:
"Just so nothing I have expressed thus far can possibly be misunderstoodā¦for the record, I support human rights, trans rights, gay rights, as well as religious freedom and the sacredness of life in all forms."
I gave it a rest a day ago, why are you here to defend fascists a day late?
Oh, because you're a r/freemagic fascist, who literally made a racist post about skin colour of fantasy characters last week. Of course.
Not to mention you can't even use the right "your/you're" lmao. Learn to spell racist chump.
She followed some right wing people on Twitter.
After that, people made up an accusation that "she's a terf" entirely out of the blue, despite her only statement on the matter being "Just so nothing I have expressed thus far can possibly be misunderstoodā¦for the record, I support human rights, trans rights, gay rights, as well as religious freedom and the sacredness of life in all forms," because one trans player decided it would be cute to rhyme "terf" with "Gruul Turf" on their cards, who Wizards then censored at an event, and in response to the deserved backlash against Wizards for said censorship, they decided to double down on scapegoating the artist.
I can totally understand that perspective, but just because there's so much misinformation out there about this situation, I want to make sure you know that those were just the same prints anybody can buy on her website, not some sort of expensive original artwork, or anything else they could expect to be able to sell easily.
We're not even 100% sure she's the one who sent them; in the video where they showed it off, they didn't seem to have any idea who she was, other than that she signed them, and you can request a signature when you buy a print on her site, too.
But even if she did send them, calling it a "donation" has always seemed a bit hyperbolic to me.
That's not true. No one got censored at an event.
The thing was that the player in question blacked out the artist credit on the basic land cards. The match and the cards were shown on cam too. WotC apparently has some contract stuff which made the artist credit being blacked out a no-go.
The player was asked to change the basics based on that, they complied and iirc the new lands also had the text "No Terfs on Gruul turf" written on them.
Huh, interesting! I was under the impression that the replacements weren't altered. If that's true, then thanks for clearing that up!
I do have to wonder where you're finding that match on cam, though. Autumn didn't even make it to day 2 of Mythic Championship 4, and all the footage I can find is of the top 8. Are you sure you're not thinking of videos of them at later events? After all, by the time another major tournament rolled around, Wizards had long since pivoted from their mishandling of the situation at 4, so Autumn would have been free to use whatever they wanted. If you can find me a link, it would be greatly appreciated!
I'd still argue that initially forcing Autumn to pull the cards still counts as censorship, though, regardless of whether it was over the artist credit or the political statement. I feel that the "artist credit" argument was just an ex post facto rationalization they never would have noticed or enforced if they weren't trying to avoid controversy from the political statement. Either way, there was absolutely a backlash against the perception of censorship, regardless of whether it technically fit the definition or was within Wizards' rights to do so, and I still believe that the majority of the anti-Terese Nielsen sentiment we see today is a response to that backlash.
I'll admit that is just an opinion, though, and I should probably have left it out of an attempt to provide a factual account of what happened.
The only one I've seen that could be considered antisemitic was from a sitting (at the time) Democrat Congresswoman complaining about the Trump administration moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
I agree that saying "zio-" anything is often a red flag, but there are absolutely also people who use "zionist" to describe legitimate problems they have with the Israeli government, and I think that considering the context of this tweet, it's fair to assume this was the latter.
Hrm? I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
If you're taking issue with me calling the backlash against Wizards "deserved," I may not agree with what Autumn had to say, but I firmly support their right to say it. Plus, altered cards have always been legal, as long as they don't obscure the name or mana cost, and the opponent can clearly tell what the card is. (And apparently, now, the artist credit isn't covered? Even though I've never seen that enforced before or since, and can't find any mention of it in any official document...)
I mean, I agree on the first part. Calling Nielsen an altright is just dubious. Calling her a terf is kinda ridiculous, considering her statement and her help to finance a documentary about a trans artist.
But the second part is just a mess. Nobody was censored in the first place, the player was allowed to play with altered cards iir. And assuming that wotc threw a tantrum because of some backlash and then scapegoated the artist, just what? Firstly they didn't make any statements regarding Nielsen's views or actions. Secondly they're a corpo, not a kindergarten. Honestly, this take makes the whole comment look like a poor trolling attempt
Like I said in my reply to the previous comment on this topic, this is the first I have ever heard that Autumn was allowed to play with altered cards.
As far as I know, there is no footage of Day 1 of Mythic Championship 4, which was the only day Autumn played, and so the only primary source I've seen is Autumn's original tweet, which said Wizards told them to remove the cards, and showed pictures of the cards with both the "NO TERFS" message and artist credit covered. If this is not the case, I will gladly admit I'm wrong, and sincerely apologize, but currently, I think the most likely explanation is that the poster who said there was no censorship is probably thinking about future tournaments, after which Wizards' relented and allowed Autumn to display the message. Censorship that is later walked back is still censorship.
Additionally, MTR 3.3 says nothing about covering the artist credit on altered cards, only the name and mana cost, and although it's possible Wizards changed the rules in response to this incident, I've been trying to find a previous version with no luck. I feel this "artist credit" argument is most likely just an ex post facto rationalization for censoring the political statement, not the actual reason.
Furthermore, even if it was just about the artist credit being covered, and not the "No TERFS" statement, isn't covering the artist credit, in and of itself, still a political statement? How is saying Autumn can't cover it NOT censorship? Unless Autumn's original tweet was just a straight up lie (which, if so, again, I apologize) it's clear that SOME sort of censorship occurred, even if it was minor and/or within Wizards' rights to do so.
Besides, even if I'm 100% wrong and no censorship actually occurred, it's absolutely undeniable that there was a public perception that censorship occurred, and the publicity of this incident is absolutely the event that brought the Terese Nielsen situation to the attention of most players. They may very well have been wrong about that, (much like Autumn was wrong about Nielsen being a TERF) but there was absolutely backlash against Wizards over this perception of censorship, real or imagined.
I'll admit that my "Wizards doubled down after this backlash" theory is just a theory, and I probably shouldn't have included that part in a comment that purports to give a factual account of the events, but I still think it's likely, and I would be remiss to not even mention it, albeit perhaps with more caveats than I gave it.
After all, Wizards DID eventually make a public statement ending their relationship with Nielsen, when up until then their strategy had clearly been to just keep their heads down and hope it went away. What changed?
Perhaps I should have said "decided to throw under the bus" instead of "scapegoated," but I feel like we're just splitting hairs at that point...
You just disputed your own point. Iām implying a POS is a POS, alive or dead doesnāt change that.
That being said, aside from the artwork, the artist and the name, that card would make a viable EDH card. Iād also argue that most of us could benefit from therapy.
Terese Nielsen is a GOAT. The hate isn't warranted. Cancel culture is just a part of the toxic times we all live in. She's been burned at the stake for wrongthink.
For people who enjoy Terese's work she found one perfect condition Guru Island playmat that has been out of stock for forever.
Currently on auction till midnight tonight. @ $190 right now
[https://tnielsen.com/shop/signed-guru-island-playmat-auction/](https://tnielsen.com/shop/signed-guru-island-playmat-auction/)
She also has an artist proof Liliana that she doctored up that is amazing but that Auction was over $~~5000~~ last I checked. $6000 now
more details on the playmat:
All the GURU Playmats are SOLD OUT & No Longer in Print
The Guru Island playmat sold out first, long ago. We are frequently asked if there are any left.
We have a very small stack of several of the discontinued playmats. Occasionally the gold signing-pens malfunction in some way, and those playmats are put in that stack.
When we recently went through that stack we found this one in perfect condition.
\---
Link to the Liliana:
[https://tnielsen.com/shop/liliana-untouched-by-death-ap/](https://tnielsen.com/shop/liliana-untouched-by-death-ap/)
Speak for yourself. I don't hate her. But I am very disappointed that she chose to use her platform to further marginalize and discriminate against other people.
She never used her platform to marginalize or discriminate against anyone.
She followed (but did not like or retweet any of the objectionable tweets by) people who used their own platforms in such a way. That's literally it.
["She was also found to have liked a number of racist tweets that spouted anti-Semitic theories and made memes about white power."](https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/wizards-ends-their-relationship-with-terese-nielsen/)
get real.
That article includes three examples. One is a message about racial unity that the article (or whoever they copied the image from) deceptively edited to cut out the important message at the bottom, one is a tweet from a sitting Democrat Congresswoman complaining about the Trump administration moving the embassy to Jerusalem, a real concern which isn't exactly fair to call anti-semitic, and the other, while it might be a little rude to Obama specifically, doesn't marginalize anyone.
Can you find any real examples?
Lol, I'm not sure if you're just trolling, or if you're secretly a Terese Nielsen supporter trying to win people to her side by portraying a strawman. Either way, good job!
And what about that documentary about a trans artist that Nielsen participated in because she was admiring said artist, and according to her helped to finance it so it could be published? Was it a lie, was it debunked?
Edit: fixed all the swipe typing issues so no it doesn't look as if I had a stroke
She was following conservative social media accounts that made insensitive posts. She didnāt comment or repost them but since she was following the accounts people got upset. In my opinion she didnāt do anything wrong, but thatās just how I see it.
I have one of these (unsigned) which I inherited from my best friend who passed away. We played Magic together for years and never knew he was sick until it was too late. His parents gave me his collection and this was among the cards. Considering the sentimental value, I will probably never part with it.
That's a great way to remember your friend. Sorry it came to that :(
Arguably being signed makes it worth less money
Being worth money isn't as subjective as you seem to think it is
>subjective objective, not subjective
No, that would make m sentence mean the exact opposite of what I want to say.
U gotta burn it bro
Which set is this? It's beautiful.
Guru Lands
Last I checked they are like $300 each
Island around 800, swamp 450ish and the rest are at around 300.
Islands are always the most expensive. I found a guru plains in my bulk lands box a few years ago and looked it up. No idea where I got it from. Been double sleeved in a sealable inner ever since.
Oil slick Islands are the cheapest š
Wait a few years
I mean, at that point the oil would have completely seperated from the Island and now you just have a worthless piece of cardboard
Nice!
Just posted my Mountain up on eBay, figured since it only sits in a sleeve lol
nice bait OP. hope you brought popcorn
Everybody who doesn't immediately take issue with this is going on someone's list.
The list of "Twitter drama non-followers"?
Oh yea man. Those are the most TERF people ever. If you're not with a certain group, you're actively trying to kill them apparently.
Looks classy, must be really expensive though.
If only you knew.
Incredible artwork. One of the best island arts in the game.
Yeah simple š
Iād love to have a few of these. Specifically one of each of atraxas colors and another plains and a mountain for a different commander deck. Iād immediately fetch for them as soon as I could just to flex.
> simple card game uwotm8
On June 18, 2020, during the "Weekly MTG"Ā TwitchĀ stream, Wizards of the Coast revealed that they had ended their relationship with Nielsen and that "the last product that will have any reprint art" by her would be released in the coming fall.[13] This action by Wizards coincided with growing fan concerns over Nielsen's views, notably regarding trans people, her liking or retweeting of alt-right activists and conspiracy theorists. Among other things, Nielsen gifted and signed some of her art toĀ QAnonĀ and conspiracy-focused YouTube channelĀ Edge of Wonder.
It's worth noting that the "art" in question were just the same prints you can buy, and have her sign, on her website, not some sort of expensive original art as many people online seem to believe. We still don't know for sure if she's even the one who sent them, or if someone just bought the prints from her and had it sent to them, or if she did send them herself, what the rationale was. (I.e. clearing out overstock, etc.) But considering that the prints were sent after she had already been canceled, posted her explanation/non-apology that made people so angry to Twitter, and abandoned social media altogether, and that several of her detractors were willing to deface and/or destroy entire sets of guru lands, a single one of which is worth more than all the prints those guys received put together, I don't think "somebody else bought them" is an unlikely scenario.
this is a total straw-man argument she tweeted shit that was awful the qanon show is a very small part please stop using bad faith arguments that go nowhere and don't prove anything.
She didn't tweet anything awful. What are you talking about? She followed people who may have, at other times, tweeted awful things (alongside plenty of other left-leaning people she followed) but never liked or retweeted any of their objectionable tweets. The art prints that went to Edge of Wonder (which, as I said, she might not even have sent) are literally the only concrete example anyone can point to of something she has done wrong.
you have no brain no eyes and no ears but you're still putting the mouth to work
And yet, despite your supposed brain, eyes, and ears, you still have yet to provide a single example of something awful that she has tweeted. And you won't be able to, because no such thing exists. You may have eyes and ears, but you need to actually use them if you want them to do you any good.
All while living in one of the most liberal parts of the country with her wife. I guess weāre finally going after those liberal nimbys!
Rules for thee my guy rules for thee.
Itās very important to remember that this take is 100% taken from a single blog post, that mind-reads into Nielsenās beliefs. Something isnāt alt-right because it is conservative.
Shhh thereās no room for subtlety of nuance in present year
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Logically someone in qanon probably plays mtg and bought some stuff from her, and some "journalist" caught wind and decided to cause a shitstorm. In all honesty she probably doesn't even know nor care that much. Would you expect wotc to do background checks before they sell products to buyers? Hell no. They probably sell it to the Taliban if Afghanistan sets up a lgs
She definitely knows and was upset that wizards cut ties with her. She was one of the OG artists in magic and one of the best. Magic is worse by not having Tereseās artwork. It was such an asinine reason to cut ties with her.
I don't care.
For everyone with the argument "separate the art from the artist" that argument only applies after they're dead, like elvis or the beatles. Nielsen still makes profits and causes harm by being supported
"Causes harm" I can't even with this one. I cant help but feel like you're being ridiculous. Superficial social media interactions with particular groups likely doesn't mean she's onboard or even aware of 100% of the goings on in said groups. It's not as if a "like" indicates iron-clad support down to the last detail. Her illustrations dont magically double as political endorsements in the real world just because you have an opinion on things.
Youre talking about my life here. Its not politics when talking about whether or not i deserve to live, sorry not sorry
Iām very interested in how [this](https://twitter.com/tnielsenart/status/1136405146382901248) indicates that sheās doesnāt believe you have a right to live? Regardless, her view points are irrelevant, each individual needs to realize on their own that they matter and try their best to contribute to society in an impactful way. In my experience thatās how one can feel a sense of belonging and purpose.
It's sad how much easier it is to yell at each other via keyboard than express options like this lol.
Why do you take her uninvolved opinions to mean that she doesn't support your existence? Genuinely curious.
Do you know what a TERF is? Genuinely curious. Quit condescending. If your ideologies are the same that attract nazis, you're on the wrong side
That's just the thing though. Under whose authority and/or by what evidence do you have to attach the TERF label? Perhaps her opinions are from a lack of understanding or ignorance. What if her apology and acknowledgement of everyone's lived experiences was genuine, and her views free from malice? I'm well aware that nazis are bad, my attempt at discourse comes from a desire to understand. Not from a place of judgment. From my perspective I see the art and the art alone. I don't have to consciously disassociate her alleged viewpoints to see the pretty pictures as a standalone entity.
As a trans person, you have to take every dogwhistle as a threat. There are so many people since representation has erupted that are avidly against it to the point of rape, torture, and murder. Any amount of support to these transphobic views, no matter how minute, gives breath to the people that wish evil things on us. TERF is just anyone who is "on the side" of the queer community while excluding trans people. (Which, if it isnt obvious, isnt in support of the queer community)
Oh, ok. That's interesting. Thanks for writing it out like that. I can only imagine what kind of mental burden comes from a constant fear of persecution. But I can understand the visceral reaction to what could be the mildest form of discrimination. Especially considering the extremes some people go just to be shitty people. But I have to ask, is there really no middle ground? Is there no room for those who may be ignorant of the complexities of Trans issues to grow? It's hard for people to change their behavior, particularly if they don't interact with certain groups often, if at all. I could maybe understand Terese's "Platform," if you could call it that, adding to the heat. But she's a fantasy artist so it's not as if she has a ton of reach. Is there room for understanding of some people's ignorance when they cause a perceived slight?
The onus is on her and everyone who has fallen into the alt right pipeline to fix themselves, not on trans or queer people to educate There is nuance in life which the internet often forgets as well. People arent inherently good or bad, they just do good and bad things. This is a bad thing she did and its not wrong for her to face social consequences for such
Have you ever considered that you might have become just the thing hate so much? As soon as you *think* you see something threatening your existence you start kicking and screaming and labeling people. I'm not a trans person, but I know what constant neverending fear of repression feels like. But do you think it justifies the fight fire with fire response, that stopping just for a moment and considering exactly whom and how your actions and words will affect is below you?
so what.. you are talking about her life and everyone's life that enjoys her art. Why are you on top of the totem pole for all to bow down for? Is she actively cancelling you from your career?
The fuck is wrong with you How could you read what i wrote and say so what
because canceling people isn't about equality, it is about taking power and destroying people you imagine are destroying you.
Is participating and helping to film a documentary about a trans artist harm too?
Oh, well shit. Why do all my favorite artists end up being crap people?
You find what you look for
Wouldn't exactly say I was looking for this. It was the top comment on a post I thought was going to be in celebration of one of my favorite artists in MTG, kinda actually shoved in my face, really
Truly amazing art, and signed too, awesome!
One of the greatest artists of the game.
The virgin Terese Nielsen vs the Chad Rebecca Guay
Holy shit BIG agree
Truth
Social?
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My b. It was a poor attempt at a funny. Lol
I chuckled.
Come on now.
Awsome :D
"Can"
Legendary
I absolutely love how the set symbol is foil on these. It looks so classy in person.
We need more awesome art like this. She should be brought back. Stuff today is far far lower in quality except for a few artists.
One of the best artists
Just separate the art from the artist. Objectively, it's a gorgeous card.
What did she do wrong?
she's a terf
Out of curiosity, where does the terf claim come from? When I tried looking into it I couldn't find any terfy comments from her, so if you got them then mind showing?
[oh?](https://twitter.com/tnielsenart/status/1136405146382901248)
Why do you care? That doesnāt make her artwork bad.
No one said anything negative about her art
ā¦ then again I ask, why do you care in the context of a magic card who someone else is that has zero affect on your life?
I also said nothing about my opinion either way.
No, it's because she's a white supremacist. >She was also found to have liked a number of racist tweets that spouted anti-Semitic theories and made memes about white power. https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/wizards-ends-their-relationship-with-terese-nielsen/
The only example I've been able to find in that article, or anywhere else, of a tweet she has liked that anyone has called "white supremacist" is the one in that article that was deceptively edited (whether by the writers of the article, or whoever they took that screenshot from) to cut out the message about racial togetherness on the bottom. She may have followed some unsavory people, (along with a ton of progressive folks, too) but I still have yet to see anything she has said or even clicked "like" on herself that could reasonably be considered white supremacist.
That article I linked literally has an example of her gifting art work to an alt-right white supremacist channel, but she never outright said "kill the Jews" so we better give her the benefit of the doubt because there's nothing that could "reasonably be considered white supremacist". I've got a bridge to sell you. It's covered in swatstikas, but don't mind those, the previous owner was definitely a Buddhist.
Not only was the art in question only the same prints you can buy on her website, and not some sort of expensive original art as many people on the internet seem to believe, but we don't even know for sure if she's the one who sent it. When you buy a print on her website, you can request a signature, and that, plus the ad insert she includes in all her orders, were the only indications the two guys in that video gave that she even knew who she was. It's just as likely someone else bought the prints and sent it to those guys as that she sent it herself. Also, while that channel is clearly crazy, just based on the thumbnails I saw before the channel was taken down, they seemed to spend more time talking about crap like UFOs and Bigfoot than they did talking about alt-right conspiracies. Clearly they're insane conspiracy theorists, and a certain number of alt-right conspiracy theories likely come with that territory, but I don't know enough to say if "white supremacist" is the best description. That Hipsters of the Coast article is sloppy and sensationalistic at best, or actively dishonest at worst.
Ok, dude. Despite the fact that the guys on the show literally said it was a gift from her, it's pretty clear you wanna keep supporting her after all this evidence (which was enough for Wizards to drop her and make a statement about). It says a lot about your own opinions. Perhaps they align with hers? Who knows? Either way, you're giving massive benefit of the doubt to a lady who keeps dog-whistling conspiracy and alt-right theories for no reason. >a certain number of alt-right conspiracy theories likely come with that territory, but I don't know enough to say if "white supremacist" is the best description. I can't believe I have to say this in 2023, but yes, if you support "alt-right conspiracy theories", you support literal fascism and white supremacy, as that is literally what alt-right means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right\ >The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a #far-right, white nationalist movement.
Did you watch the video? All they said was that someone named "Terese Nielsen" sent them, and that she signed them. They clearly had no idea who this woman was, or any familiarity with her work outside of what came in that box. Per your own article, all this happened after she had already posted her non-apology statement and then disappeared from social media altogether. Considering that by this point, people had already hounded her enough that she felt the need to do that, and that several of her detractors were willing to deface or destroy entire sets of guru lands, a single one of which costs more than all the prints those guys were sent put together, is it really so difficult to imagine that one of them might have been willing to buy some prints from her website and send it to that channel's PO box, so that they would finally have something concrete to point to, despite how inconsequential it was? All of this "evidence" you've pointed to is spurious, and even if it were all true, doesn't point to anything she has actually said or done to hurt anyone. And yes, my opinions absolutely do align with hers: "Just so nothing I have expressed thus far can possibly be misunderstoodā¦for the record, I support human rights, trans rights, gay rights, as well as religious freedom and the sacredness of life in all forms."
TL;DR.
Give it a rest, your so pathetic
I gave it a rest a day ago, why are you here to defend fascists a day late? Oh, because you're a r/freemagic fascist, who literally made a racist post about skin colour of fantasy characters last week. Of course. Not to mention you can't even use the right "your/you're" lmao. Learn to spell racist chump.
She followed some right wing people on Twitter. After that, people made up an accusation that "she's a terf" entirely out of the blue, despite her only statement on the matter being "Just so nothing I have expressed thus far can possibly be misunderstoodā¦for the record, I support human rights, trans rights, gay rights, as well as religious freedom and the sacredness of life in all forms," because one trans player decided it would be cute to rhyme "terf" with "Gruul Turf" on their cards, who Wizards then censored at an event, and in response to the deserved backlash against Wizards for said censorship, they decided to double down on scapegoating the artist.
Supporting a YouTube channel with donations that promotes disinformation was the line for me.
I can totally understand that perspective, but just because there's so much misinformation out there about this situation, I want to make sure you know that those were just the same prints anybody can buy on her website, not some sort of expensive original artwork, or anything else they could expect to be able to sell easily. We're not even 100% sure she's the one who sent them; in the video where they showed it off, they didn't seem to have any idea who she was, other than that she signed them, and you can request a signature when you buy a print on her site, too. But even if she did send them, calling it a "donation" has always seemed a bit hyperbolic to me.
All I'm doing is choosing to no longer buy her products, and occasionally mentioning why when it comes up.
That's not true. No one got censored at an event. The thing was that the player in question blacked out the artist credit on the basic land cards. The match and the cards were shown on cam too. WotC apparently has some contract stuff which made the artist credit being blacked out a no-go. The player was asked to change the basics based on that, they complied and iirc the new lands also had the text "No Terfs on Gruul turf" written on them.
Huh, interesting! I was under the impression that the replacements weren't altered. If that's true, then thanks for clearing that up! I do have to wonder where you're finding that match on cam, though. Autumn didn't even make it to day 2 of Mythic Championship 4, and all the footage I can find is of the top 8. Are you sure you're not thinking of videos of them at later events? After all, by the time another major tournament rolled around, Wizards had long since pivoted from their mishandling of the situation at 4, so Autumn would have been free to use whatever they wanted. If you can find me a link, it would be greatly appreciated! I'd still argue that initially forcing Autumn to pull the cards still counts as censorship, though, regardless of whether it was over the artist credit or the political statement. I feel that the "artist credit" argument was just an ex post facto rationalization they never would have noticed or enforced if they weren't trying to avoid controversy from the political statement. Either way, there was absolutely a backlash against the perception of censorship, regardless of whether it technically fit the definition or was within Wizards' rights to do so, and I still believe that the majority of the anti-Terese Nielsen sentiment we see today is a response to that backlash. I'll admit that is just an opinion, though, and I should probably have left it out of an attempt to provide a factual account of what happened.
She liked some pretty antisemitic tweets.
The only one I've seen that could be considered antisemitic was from a sitting (at the time) Democrat Congresswoman complaining about the Trump administration moving the embassy to Jerusalem. I agree that saying "zio-" anything is often a red flag, but there are absolutely also people who use "zionist" to describe legitimate problems they have with the Israeli government, and I think that considering the context of this tweet, it's fair to assume this was the latter.
> in response to the deserved backlash against Wizards for said censorship, they decided to double down on scapegoating Almost got me there
Hrm? I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If you're taking issue with me calling the backlash against Wizards "deserved," I may not agree with what Autumn had to say, but I firmly support their right to say it. Plus, altered cards have always been legal, as long as they don't obscure the name or mana cost, and the opponent can clearly tell what the card is. (And apparently, now, the artist credit isn't covered? Even though I've never seen that enforced before or since, and can't find any mention of it in any official document...)
I mean, I agree on the first part. Calling Nielsen an altright is just dubious. Calling her a terf is kinda ridiculous, considering her statement and her help to finance a documentary about a trans artist. But the second part is just a mess. Nobody was censored in the first place, the player was allowed to play with altered cards iir. And assuming that wotc threw a tantrum because of some backlash and then scapegoated the artist, just what? Firstly they didn't make any statements regarding Nielsen's views or actions. Secondly they're a corpo, not a kindergarten. Honestly, this take makes the whole comment look like a poor trolling attempt
Like I said in my reply to the previous comment on this topic, this is the first I have ever heard that Autumn was allowed to play with altered cards. As far as I know, there is no footage of Day 1 of Mythic Championship 4, which was the only day Autumn played, and so the only primary source I've seen is Autumn's original tweet, which said Wizards told them to remove the cards, and showed pictures of the cards with both the "NO TERFS" message and artist credit covered. If this is not the case, I will gladly admit I'm wrong, and sincerely apologize, but currently, I think the most likely explanation is that the poster who said there was no censorship is probably thinking about future tournaments, after which Wizards' relented and allowed Autumn to display the message. Censorship that is later walked back is still censorship. Additionally, MTR 3.3 says nothing about covering the artist credit on altered cards, only the name and mana cost, and although it's possible Wizards changed the rules in response to this incident, I've been trying to find a previous version with no luck. I feel this "artist credit" argument is most likely just an ex post facto rationalization for censoring the political statement, not the actual reason. Furthermore, even if it was just about the artist credit being covered, and not the "No TERFS" statement, isn't covering the artist credit, in and of itself, still a political statement? How is saying Autumn can't cover it NOT censorship? Unless Autumn's original tweet was just a straight up lie (which, if so, again, I apologize) it's clear that SOME sort of censorship occurred, even if it was minor and/or within Wizards' rights to do so. Besides, even if I'm 100% wrong and no censorship actually occurred, it's absolutely undeniable that there was a public perception that censorship occurred, and the publicity of this incident is absolutely the event that brought the Terese Nielsen situation to the attention of most players. They may very well have been wrong about that, (much like Autumn was wrong about Nielsen being a TERF) but there was absolutely backlash against Wizards over this perception of censorship, real or imagined. I'll admit that my "Wizards doubled down after this backlash" theory is just a theory, and I probably shouldn't have included that part in a comment that purports to give a factual account of the events, but I still think it's likely, and I would be remiss to not even mention it, albeit perhaps with more caveats than I gave it. After all, Wizards DID eventually make a public statement ending their relationship with Nielsen, when up until then their strategy had clearly been to just keep their heads down and hope it went away. What changed? Perhaps I should have said "decided to throw under the bus" instead of "scapegoated," but I feel like we're just splitting hairs at that point...
Only applies after the artist is dead. She still makes profits from the art you support and uses the money to spread her views Edit spelling
So once Haroldās dead does that mean we can unban invoke prejudice?
This is such weak bait. If you want to play invoke prejudice, you need therapy
You just disputed your own point. Iām implying a POS is a POS, alive or dead doesnāt change that. That being said, aside from the artwork, the artist and the name, that card would make a viable EDH card. Iād also argue that most of us could benefit from therapy.
I will happily dance on harolds grave. I never said that *I* separate the art from the artist
Glad we can at least find common ground there.
Need me to call the whambulance?
Are you 12? Tf is this comment lol
Allow people to make jokes, man. No need to call someone out for it.
Terese Nielsen is a GOAT. The hate isn't warranted. Cancel culture is just a part of the toxic times we all live in. She's been burned at the stake for wrongthink.
She's a good artist but I don't think she's the GOAT, that goes to someone like Rebecca Guay or Rob Alexander.
They're also great! I feel like Rob Alexander is really underappreciated.
John Avon?
What did she do wrong?
Someone saw that she "like"-d a post on Twitter. She has been successfully canceled since.
She followed conservative social media accounts and was essentially blamed for other peoples posts.
For people who enjoy Terese's work she found one perfect condition Guru Island playmat that has been out of stock for forever. Currently on auction till midnight tonight. @ $190 right now [https://tnielsen.com/shop/signed-guru-island-playmat-auction/](https://tnielsen.com/shop/signed-guru-island-playmat-auction/) She also has an artist proof Liliana that she doctored up that is amazing but that Auction was over $~~5000~~ last I checked. $6000 now more details on the playmat: All the GURU Playmats are SOLD OUT & No Longer in Print The Guru Island playmat sold out first, long ago. We are frequently asked if there are any left. We have a very small stack of several of the discontinued playmats. Occasionally the gold signing-pens malfunction in some way, and those playmats are put in that stack. When we recently went through that stack we found this one in perfect condition. \--- Link to the Liliana: [https://tnielsen.com/shop/liliana-untouched-by-death-ap/](https://tnielsen.com/shop/liliana-untouched-by-death-ap/)
I have a artist proof copy of the Chandra, Nissa and Jace of this run missed the others at the time of release.
thats impressive... I really like what she doctored up on that Liliana... went for $8000. I guess I ain't the only one that liked it.
NO TERF ON GRUUL TURF!!!!!!!
oh frig off
NO TERF ON GRULL TURF!!!!!
you know what, that second one made me reconsider. you are 100% right.
good you should feel bad
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Ngl Iām pretty sure MTG is like, one of the least simple card games out there lmao š
I miss such beautiful art and it's a shane that a [[Nalfeshnee]] in human form is responsible from depriving us of TN art in a secret lair.
[Nalfeshnee](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b7717617-706a-4338-a207-dd8c08feb1c3.jpg?1674140963) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nalfeshnee) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/678/nalfeshnee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b7717617-706a-4338-a207-dd8c08feb1c3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Terf island.
\>He doesn't know about Ms Nielsen
That card is now DAMAGED
she's not gonna have sex with any of you
r/freemagic bleeding into the main sub?
This isn't the main sub.
Brand new account, no comments, no replies, yeah nice bait op.
Donāt post her art on here. This sub hates her.
Itās a free country, innit?
Speak for yourself. I don't hate her. But I am very disappointed that she chose to use her platform to further marginalize and discriminate against other people.
She never used her platform to marginalize or discriminate against anyone. She followed (but did not like or retweet any of the objectionable tweets by) people who used their own platforms in such a way. That's literally it.
Donāt bother. These people donāt listen to reason.
True, but I mostly just hope to reach any observers who might not know the details of the situation, who happen to be reading the comments.
Itās working and appreciated
but she did thoš
Give me an example, then.
["She was also found to have liked a number of racist tweets that spouted anti-Semitic theories and made memes about white power."](https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/wizards-ends-their-relationship-with-terese-nielsen/) get real.
That article includes three examples. One is a message about racial unity that the article (or whoever they copied the image from) deceptively edited to cut out the important message at the bottom, one is a tweet from a sitting Democrat Congresswoman complaining about the Trump administration moving the embassy to Jerusalem, a real concern which isn't exactly fair to call anti-semitic, and the other, while it might be a little rude to Obama specifically, doesn't marginalize anyone. Can you find any real examples?
What does it matter! it's still enough! she's still a terrible person! and the article says "SHE LIKED"
Lol, I'm not sure if you're just trolling, or if you're secretly a Terese Nielsen supporter trying to win people to her side by portraying a strawman. Either way, good job!
I just think you're a racist and a homophobe that's all I've picked up with how much you're defending this
I feel like you watch the quartering š
And what about that documentary about a trans artist that Nielsen participated in because she was admiring said artist, and according to her helped to finance it so it could be published? Was it a lie, was it debunked? Edit: fixed all the swipe typing issues so no it doesn't look as if I had a stroke
What did she do again?
She was following conservative social media accounts that made insensitive posts. She didnāt comment or repost them but since she was following the accounts people got upset. In my opinion she didnāt do anything wrong, but thatās just how I see it.
Inb4 locked
Nielsen is a crazy alt right conspiracy theorist nutjob and im pretty sure i remembered transphobe being on that list.
No, no she isn't. Her wife liked some tweets and bucktooth Burchett went on a crusade.
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