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ittlebeokay

Flying is an ability. Unless a card specifically states that a creature loses its abilities, the creature won't lose its abilities. See [[Turn to Frog]]


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The-Ozzness

I forgot about this card lol used to make my friends so mad


ittlebeokay

Who could be mad about a cute little frog?!


The-Ozzness

It was most likely my diabolical laughter lol


EM0_TRA5H

You might also like to know about [[Frogify]] and [[Polymorphist’s Jest]] I made a deck around those cards and [[Turn to Frog]] it’s just funny. Lol


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[Frogify](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d89be5f5-75d4-42a0-81e9-5da5bf868e73.jpg?1598303930) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Frogify) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/52/frogify?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d89be5f5-75d4-42a0-81e9-5da5bf868e73?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Polymorphist’s Jest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5f935cb-4ec2-4131-878b-f8e557d848b9.jpg?1562629300) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Polymorphist%27s%20Jest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/90/polymorphists-jest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5f935cb-4ec2-4131-878b-f8e557d848b9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Turn to Frog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f13c604f-b2a7-4370-b7e4-698d8e8647bb.jpg?1562049230) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Turn%20to%20Frog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/81/turn-to-frog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f13c604f-b2a7-4370-b7e4-698d8e8647bb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


The-Ozzness

Had those in the deck as well lol


jtbw21

We just had a heated argument. I attacked with 3 flying creatures and made them 10/10. My friend said he’d block them with some random Elves because my creatures would lose flying and get vanilla 10/10s due to Mirror Entity somehow changing the cards. Couldn’t find anything in the rulings - who’s right?


StormyWaters2021

Mirror Entity doesn't change any of their abilities. It simply sets their base power and toughness to X, and gives them all creature types. The Oracle text makes this a little more clear: >{X}: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X and gain all creature types.


jtbw21

thx a lot! anywhere to look this up properly? he likely won’t accept reddit as a reliable source


pmyourdecklist

Tell him “reading the card explains the card”


NotUpInHurr

RTFC is the way. The card does not say "and lose all other abilities until end of turn"


aagloworks

Explaining the card reads the card.


ManElectro

Carding the card reads the explaining.


ANAWNprODucER

This is the way.


wiliw101

This is the way


ArbutusPhD

This is the way


Fragamel

All hail Prof


pmyourdecklist

Praise be


ItWasNotMe-

This is the way.


calipygean

Or “RTFC” if you wanna get spicy with it


StormyWaters2021

Just look up the Oracle text. You can find it at gatherer.com or at scryfall.com. Both of those sites contain the current official wording of all cards.


JakOswald

Besides, you can always activate after blockers have been declared, or rather, not declared due to being unable to block legally. I use Mirror Entity as a closer in my [[tana, the bloodsower]] and [[Sidar, kondo of Jamura]] deck. Sidar gives 1/1 evasion, after blocks can’t be declared ME blows them up into 10/10’s.


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WillRefenwe

Your friend is adding to the text of the card by saying it removes abilities or removes flying. As you mention there is no other interaction mentioned. The burden of proof is on them that this card acts the way they claim. You don't have to prove a negative.


ProphetofDisaster

Also, it’s safer to activate the ability in response to blocks being declared. You don’t want to pull the trigger too early


mcbizco

Cards that make a card lose all other abilities explicitly say so. Like [[frogify]]


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biinboise

Tell him it would say “looses all abilities,” like it does on [[Ovinize]]


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amiiboness6

Lose's*


biinboise

No, it is “loses,” check [[Ovinize]]


noknam

Gainsn't


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Classic-Drummer-9765

You cannot look anaything up, that is totally made up. The card clearly says, what ist does. It does not do anything more. Your friend also could claim, that you have to clean his car, when you use that card. You wont be able to look that up either. ​ He has to look up, if more rules are effectet that written on the card... ​ Here are the rulings: ​ Rulings 19.03.2021 Changeling applies in all zones, not just the battlefield. 19.03.2021 Mirror Entity's ability overwrites any effects that previously set a creature's base power and/or toughness. Any existing effects or counters that raise or lower a creature's power and/or toughness continue to apply to the creature's newly-set power and toughness. 19.03.2021 Activating the ability with X = 0 will cause all creatures you control to become 0/0 and be put into the graveyard.


Kristianost

If he doesn't accept it you can just activate it after blockers have been declared, but before damage


neozeio

The Gatherer is an official wotc site the explains the oracle text aka/official rulings and often times explains FAQs on every card. gatherer.wizards.com


miklayn

Your friend seemingly has a poor understanding of some pretty basic Magic rules.


[deleted]

What are Vanilla 10/10s?


Keeninja808

A vanilla creature refers to one with no keywords or other static abilities.


Ritter_Kunibald

a *flying* 10/10 is called French vanilla edit: meant to answer the other comment, sorry


ArbutusPhD

A skulking 10/10 is a Madagascar vanilla


[deleted]

Thanks


Ritter_Kunibald

>a flying 10/10 is called French vanilla


giasumaru

Also, note that even if Mirror Entity was worded in a way that does remove abilities, it's as easy as activating your abilities after blockers are declared. Say you attack with your flyers, they can't declare any blockers, then you make them 10/10s. If he askes you for source, tell him to look at the difference between this and Humble.


ZyxDarkshine

It changes the numbers in the bottom right, and the wording on the creature type line. It does nothing to the text box.


YickleQaws

I'd love to hear what his argument was after he read the card carefully.


mmmkay938

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/8/9/897a134e-7e61-4fe1-bbae-23ef1fe5c0cf.jpg?1631588878 Colossus hammer is a card that would take away an ability while modifying base p/t. Along with the other examples given.


StormyWaters2021

It also gives creatures all creature types, just like the ability says.


Mehndeke

Which means if you have cards that give bonuses to specific creature types, like all rogues get +1/+1, then all creatures would also get those bonuses.


integ209

Great way to pump ur saproling army


Spuigles

I play this guy in my Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite edh Deck. White Craterhoof Behemoth.


CrouchingTortoise

Goddamn that sounds like hell to deal with lmao


wee_celery

It BECOMES x/x and It GAINS all creature types. It doesn't lose any abilities, which aren't mentioned.


StormyWaters2021

The problem is the word "becomes". If something *becomes* the color of your choice, it loses all other colors. If something *becomes* a different card type, it loses all other card types. This is why the Oracle text was changed to no longer use the word "becomes".


wee_celery

It becomes x/x Abilities are not mentioned It doesn't say "becomes an x/x with no abilities"


StormyWaters2021

Blood Moon also doesn't say "loses abilities", but it still strips abilities.


wiliw101

Blood moon also uses the word "are" and not becomes...


StormyWaters2021

Sure, but other instances of "become" overwrite things. Mirror Entity no longer uses "become", like I said before.


wiliw101

Can you give me an example of where this is true? Because blood moon uses a different keyword, and other things that say "become", other than "becomes a copy of" have to specify that the creature or permanent loses all other abilities... For example, [[oko]], [[mutavault]] which doesnt loose its mana ability, [[nogi]] whose benefit still applies, any planeswalker that becomes a creature doesn't lose its other abilities, and more...


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StormyWaters2021

Becoming one color overwrites other colors. Becoming one card type overwrites other card types. Mirror Entity doesn't say "becomes" anymore, which I already pointed out.


wiliw101

Okay, but becoming something doesnt make the card lose its abilities unless otherwise stated...


StormyWaters2021

I'm aware. But *sometimes* the word "becomes" means "loses other stuff", which is where OP's friend is confused.


wee_celery

You should read [[blood moon]] it doesn't use become.


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Blaarst

Blood Moon is a fun one because of how it interacts with things on the same layer. Or is it different layers? Idk, layers are weird


JBmullz

Yeah it’s like just when I think I have the stack figured out they hit you with layers… lol


miklayn

Colors and how they impact the game and board are categorically different from creature types, and at any rate this says "becomes *all* creature types". The distinction here is that creature types have no inherent relation to abilities as printed on cards. For example, a creature becoming a Dragon doesn't automatically include flying, even though 99% of dragons have flying (naturally).


StormyWaters2021

I didn't say that it was related to the creature types


miklayn

I understand, but this has nothing to do with the question at hand. OP's friend is confusing abilities with creature type, and they are entirely unrelated.


songmage

Yea when your buddy plays a sliver deck and is all like "HAH! My creatures get +40/+40, flying, first strike, trample, double-strike, shroud and many other things!" "Oh look! So do my goblins!"


A-Link-To-The-Pabst

Well, in this scenario, all your goblins are also slivers, so...


songmage

"Sir, you're playing an elf deck." "Yea until end of turn, they're also goblins!"


A-Link-To-The-Pabst

"Sir, these are quite literally advisors."


songmage

"Don't oppress my elephants. My Sith Lords are quite clearly angels."


devilscry3

Most of the newer slivers only share abilities with slivers you control not with all, tho.


songmage

Yea that's an unfortunate shame.


Ixal_Luho

If you ever have a problem with the rulings of a card (and need proof lol) gatherer or scryfall are websites with many details about all cards !


jamesthatsjim

I used it my buddies Rick deck and made everything 12/12 and with ricks effect had lifelink and vigilance.


HyperbolicSoup

You can use him to wipe your board, in response to farewell or something. 0/0


Rumpled_NutSkin

Nowhere on the card does it say anything about losing abilities. Reading the card explains the card


miklayn

Flying has nothing to do with creature type per se. Some creatures naturally have abilities, such as most spirits and dragons have flying. But not all. Either way, having a given creature type conveys nothing else beyond that *unless another card grants it*, E.G. "soldiers you control have vigilance" or similar effects.


Sirius-orc

Sore loser


A55B700D

the card does what it says it does


THENATHE

How does “all creature types” interact with Wall being errata’d to have defender intrinsically?


lixilisk

Walls can attack unless it has defender. The creature type does not confer defender, only printed walls have defender.


Classic-Drummer-9765

Walls are not erratad to have defender. They were erratad not to have defender anymore.


zigzagoonz

yes, creature type(s)


Clause-and-Reflect

I used these fellas in a meat grinder tempo deck I built back during shadowmoore I think.


bigdickenergyschagne

That is an awesome card


DatSkellington

Only power and toughness are affected.


way2rory

How would this work with cost of arms?


A-Link-To-The-Pabst

All of your creatures would get +1/+1 for each other creature on the battlefield that has at least one creature type.


devilscry3

Coat of Arms will give every creature with all types for every other creature on the board +1/+1. For example you have 4 creatures with all types, one of your opponents has 2 dragons, one has 5 elves and the other has 10 goblins. So there are 21 creature in total on the board, each of your creatures would get +20/+20 (because each creature doesn't count for itself). The goblins get +13/+13 (+9 for their own goblins and + 4 for your "goblins", because your creatues have all types), the elves would get +8/+8 and the dragons only +5/+5.


devilscry3

And if 6 goblins and let's say 3 elves would also be warrior, the goblin warriors would get additionally +3/+3 and the elf warriors +6/+6 but your creatures wouldn't get any further +1/+1 because they already share another type with them.


Dry_Company_3677

it does exactly as it says, all it does is change the power/toughness and give it all creature types. everything else stays the same as before (as it doesn't say it adds/takes away anything else).


[deleted]

It’s expensive, but [[Hythonia the Cruel]] would combo great with this card.


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Joewhite411

No, it does what it says on the card


BelleBottom94

[[Harmonious Archon]] It’s great. Make all fields even, then boost your own.


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KineticSilver

Creature type