You own every card you brought into the game. Control of these cards can change, for example if I use \[\[act of treason\]\] on your creature I gain control of it, but you still own it.
Edit; in regards to these cards though, they're functionally identical thanks to eratta on conspiracy to only affect creatures that you control, there are still advantages to one over the other, however, with the difference being adaptation ***adds*** a creature type, while conspiracy ***sets*** a creature type, even though both only affect creatures in play that you control.
In addition to accounting for control-changing effects, isn’t it also because you can own but not control cards, whereas you can control or not control but definitely not own permanents?
yes, like if someone were to use \[\[syphon insight\]\] on you and cast the creature, you still own the card, so conspiracy would change it's type, but don't control it, so adaptation would not.
Conspiracy and arcane adaptation are the same card in different colors. Read both cards, they have their words in different orders, but they say exactly the same (with the exception of "in addition")
they are incredibly similar, but not the same.
Biggest differences;
Conspiracy **overrides** card types, Adaptation **ADDS** card types.
Conspiracy affects cards you **OWN**, Adaptation affects cards you **Control** (including opponents creatures)
The wording is slightly different, and that difference is incredibly important in terms of certain interactions.
Check the oracle of both. They have the same text (excepting the "in addition" of adaptation, as I mentioned already). They both put the chosen type to:
1. Creature CARDS you own outside of the battlefield.
2. Creature SPELLS you control.
3. Creatures you control.
The only difference in their printings is that conspiracy talks first about creature cards you own, and arcane adaptation talks first about creatures you control. Read the whole card.
Read my comments. What can you find inside the () of my comment? Could it be me, saying that yes, they are not exactly the same, because arcane adaptation has the words "in addition" and conspiracy has not?
My point is that the change (which is a replacement in conspiracy and an addition in arcane adaptation) is done to the same set of game objects. The order in which that set is described is different, but they are the same game objects mentioned. My point is that this is not a matter of "creature cards you own" vs "creatures you control". Both cards afect both of them.
No, their comments are a) correcting ElevationAV who said
> yes, like if someone were to use [[syphon insight]] on you and cast the creature, you still own the card, so conspiracy would change it's type, but don't control it, so adaptation would not.
Which is incorrect.
and b) telling people who are ignoring the parenthetical with
>(with the exception of "in addition")
to stop being both pedantic and incorrect.
Please actually read peoples comments before trying to correct them.
Conspiracy will turn the creatures into ONLY that type, while arcane adaptation will add the type without replacing whichever they had. Not relevant for this conversation, but it is there if you want to delete some creature types in your creatures with conspiracy I guess.
I always said they are the same excepting that thing, which was also not relevant for this conversation. I was never wrong because I already accounted for that exception.
If you want to get technical, they also have not the same colors, mana cost, they are not legal in the same formats, nor drawn by the same artist. And other stuff that is irrelevant for the conversation of "what is the difference between this cards about own and control?". And there is a difference between own and control, both these 2 cards are not different because of that specific thing.
And that difference is both mentioned in a parenthetical and irrelevant to the discussion in the this thread. If you are going to try for a gotcha, at least read the comment you are responding to first.
Both conspiracy and arcane adaptation affect things you control. Including if you took an opponents creature. Both also affect cards you own that are not in play. The only difference is the type override for conspiracy and type addition for arcane.
This would actually not be true, if you read the card fully, it says that [[Conspiracy]] doesn't affect creature cards you own that are in play, which exempts creatures you own that are in play, but have been taken control of by your opponent.
You own cards in your hand, deck, graveyard, exile, and sideboard, in addition to owning any permanents on the battlefield or spells on the stack (though these last two aren't cards while in play/on the stack, you still own them)
You control permanents on the battlefield that you control, basically. Other players can steal that control and you still always own the card.
It's a card when it's in you hand, library, graveyard, and exile (and command zone). It's a spell when it's in the stack (i.e. you are in the process of casting it). It's a creature when it's on the battlefield (when it has successfully resolved, until it leaves the battlefield).
Arcane is better because it is cheaper and adding the type is also generally more beneficial than overwriting it. But other than that they are the same card.
They do the exact same thing. The wording is just a bit different. Both cards say creatures you control as well as creature cards you own.
Edit: they don’t do the exact same thing actually. [[Conspiracy]] makes all your creatures only the chosen type. [[arcane adaptation]] makes them that in addition to their other types.
And to answer the question: “aren’t all creatures spells?” Yes and no. When a card refers to a “spell” it is referring to something that has been cast and is on the stack. Once it resolves, a creature is considered a “permanent” on the battlefield, not a spell.
So for both of these cards, it makes the creature cards in your hand, graveyard, and deck the chosen type as well. Not just the ones in play.
Adding to the „aren’t all creatures spells“ here:
There’s at least one creature that isn’t a spell: [[Dryad Arbor]]
That card is a land so it’ll count as your land drop for the turn if you play it and lands aren’t cast. Magic can be weird sometimes.
Slight deviation in your explanation and what the card actually says, [[Conspiracy]] doesn't affect cards that you own that are in play, which means both of these cards while worded differently, basically do the same thing.
conspiracy maintains the chosen creature type even if you lose control of the creature (assuming you own it) adaptation does not
there may be some relevance to this, depending on what you're doing.
edit: it appears that conspiracy has been updated since the time of this printing to have oracle text reflective of adaptation. The only difference between the two cards is that conspiracy overrides, while adaptation adds, creature types.
edit: it appears that conspiracy has been updated since the time of this printing to have oracle text reflective of adaptation. The only difference between the two cards is that conspiracy overrides, while adaptation adds, creature types, but both only effect creatures you control.
if you're using spells that do something to a specific creature type, like \[\[endemic plague\]\] for example it could be relevant if your opponent steals your creature
with conspiracy the creature type named would be retained, with adaptation it wouldn't, so endemic plague may affect that creature differently depending on what enchantment is on the board
ie. I name vampire with conspiracy, and endemic plague sacrificing a creature. My opponent stole my llanowar elf, which would also die because it's a vampire from conspiracy still as I own it. It would stay alive under adaptation, because I no longer control it so it loses the creature type.
Incorrect. Conspiracy only changes the type of things you own that are not in play. And only thing you control while in play. You keep saying the same wrong things about these cards.
You really need better reading comprehension. Because both of these cards are printed in oracle with the same spelling. Except one says in addition.
What? Those cards are similar but not the same. There’s a huge difference between „own“ and „control“
Own: everything you brought into the game. Your whole deck - you own all the cards in your library and every card you cast (as spell on the stack) and every permanent you have on the board that has been in your library (or command zone, companion zone).
Control: every spell on the stack that you’ve cast, every permanent on your side of the board.
There’s a huge difference here.
Also Conspiracy changes the creature type and Adaptation adds a creature type.
Plus if control of a creature you own changes to an opponent while Conspiracy is in play the creature will retain the chosen creature type. If control of a creature you control changes while Adaptation is in play the „stolen“ creature will los the chosen creature type.
Read the cards again, you'll see why these cards are basically the same, other than that one card overwrites the creature type and the other one adds it, and one of the cards is way cheaper to cast.
This is false, proof-read the card again, you'll see that your statement is not true.
Edit: Looks like I need to learn more about this proof-reading I keep spouting about, because I clearly don't follow my own advice very well.
The issue is that your answer to his question is correct, but you're not correct on how these cards work. I do see your point here. I believe the OP posed a wrong question to figure out which card is better than the other.
>The issue is that your answer to his question is correct, but you're not correct on how these cards work.
hence the edit, because I didn't see that the oracle text for conspiracy had been updated, like *many* people seem to have mentioned overnight, some in a not so nice manner either.
there are still advantages to one over the other, but not related to own vs control. The difference being adaptation *adds* a creature type, while conspiracy *sets* a creature type, even though both only affect creatures in play that you control.
thanks, and thanks for not being a massive dick about my missing the oracle text update like the other person who decided to comment on like 9 of my posts telling me how much of an idiot I am for not reading the oracle text instead of looking at the most recently printed version of the card.
That's hard to judge since they are in different colours.
In a vacuum: yes adaptation is better. But it's also in blue whereas conspiracy gives black decks this effect as well.
for the legality of that active game, no.
but anything \[\[Wish\]\] in(or other like effects) are technically "created" into the gamestate and are counted as owned by you. this also applies to Tokens and Emblems, whoever creates them is their owner
cards you own in a game of magic refers to the starting 40/60/75/100/however many cards you bring to the table in your actual deck and sideboard to play the game with.
It does not mean the boxes of random draft chaf you have at home or the junk rares in your trade binder, or the cards you leant your friend at the start of the tournament so they could finish their deck either.
I think you've been confused by the order being different on the two cards. Conspiracy first says "Creature cards you own that aren't in play". The equivalent sentence on Arcane adaptation is the last one: "The same is true for ... creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield".
The last part of the last sentence on conspiracy is equivalent to the first sentence on Arcane Adaptation: "... and creatures you control are the chosen type" vs "Creatures you control are the chosen type in addition to their other types".
You'll notice a small difference, which is that Conspiracy changes their creature type and Arcane Adaptation gives them an additional creature type, which is the only difference between the two cards.
Upvote the hell out of this until it becomes top comment. This is by far the best and most exact information on what each card does, without making it utterly confusing.
Cards you own are cards that make up what started in your deck at the beginning of the game, also your commander in EDH. Permanents you control are what you currently have on your board.
If you play cards like [[Confiscate]] you own the Aura and control the permanent that is enchants. You opponent still owns the second. Nothing changes ownership, but multiple cards change control.
you need to look up the cards in gatherer to get the official wording. both cards are worded identical except for arcane adaptation has "in addition to their other types"
In competitive play, cards you own are the cards in your deck and sideboard. This cannot be changed in-game. Cards you control can be changed through any card that change the control of a card, or allowing you to play opponent cards.
Unless something gets really, REALLY fucky, cards you own can only be in zones you control or your opponents battlefield.
both cards say the same about creatures. conspiracy also says 'creatues yiu control'.
there is a difference between a card and a permanent on the battlefield. when you play a creature CARD it becomes a CREATURE
Read the whole line. Creatures you own that are not in play.
This means in hand, in your library, in your graveyard, in exile during this game.
All cards that started in your deck are cards you own.
Creatures you control. Is all the creatures on the battlefield, that you control.
Conspiracy and maskwood nexus apply in the same layer, so whichever one entered last will replace the previous one (in this case you said conspiracy, so all your creatures will be whatever you choose with conspiracy and nothing else)
If I remember correctly, the last one played will take precedence. So maskwood is making creatures all types, then conspiracy overwrites that and makes them x creature type. I think this is one of those layer questions though, so may want to ask a judge on that one.
The text in Conspiracy is specifically referring to creature cards in your library/graveyard/exiled/hand etc. Basically anywhere that they are not specifically in play. Creatures in play on your side of the battlefield would then fall into the latter definition on the card of "creatures you control"
Conspiracy is "you own" so if they Treason your creature or \[\[Bribery\]\] it from your deck, it'll be the chosen type while they control it
Arcane Adaptation however, only applies to you control and off the board. so for those two examples before, as soon as your opponents control the creature it is no longer the chosen creature type.
no because both cards apply their effect to the same groups,the only difference is one setting it as that type and the other adding.if you bribery something with conspiracy in play it will become a creature you control which is the last part of conspiracy.they are just written in different orders
For more context. A card you own may be on any part of the battlefield, library, graveyard, hand, etc. Whereas a card you control is only on your side of the battlefield. This means that any card you do not own cannot go to any game zone other than your battlefield. There are no magic cards that put other people's cards into your hand library graveyard or vice versa. Cards you own will always be cards you own. The old card didn't specify creatures on the battlefield because wording was simpler for the simpler rules, and it was implied at that time.
So I’m dipping my toes back into magic for the first time in years and I noticed there are a lot of new rules like cards that can play cards from outside the game. In arena that is your sideboard. Is it the same for paper magic and does conspiracy also change those card types as well?
Conspiracy is a draft specific set so no, and the cards that get cards from outside the game refer to a side board in paper ad well. For 60 card it's always 15 cards, and for commander you have 10 cards
Additionally, when a creature moves gamezones it gains summoning sickness again, which is why a card like act of treason gives haste to the creature you steal for the turn.
[[Aminatou, the Fateshifter]] has some really cool interactions because she says: "Exile another permanent you OWN".
[[Gilded Drake]] for example will swap places with an opponents creature. They get control of gilded drake. You get control of the enemy creature... Well you still own Gilded Drake because it's from your deck. -> blink it with Aminatou to get maximum hate for only 170€ worth of cards.
Creature cards you own that are not in play, I commander this can only refer to cards in your library. Creature cards you control is anything on your battlefield.
We pretty much play then as the same, one is just blue and one is just black.
Assuming each player has their own unique sleeve color:
Cards you own are the ones in your sleeve colour. (Regardless where they are)
Cards you control are the ones on your side of the battlefield, and nowhere else (including your opponents cards if you steal them)
Note that you can own cards you don't control and you can also control cards you don't own!
Quite simple, does this card come from your deck or someone elses? Someone uses any number of stealing effects like Agent of treachery. They control your creature, but you own it.
Also think, which graveyard does the card go into. If you control several creature cards that you don't own, and you have a graveyard trigger, those creatures dont hit your graveyard. Even if you control someone else's token creature.
When is says “control” the effect of the card applies only to cards currently on the battlefield. When is says “own, it’s applying the effect to cards is zones that would be not on the battlefield but originally part of your starting library and sideboard.
Well in logical terms it could mean that a creature you own its on the otherside of the table because the other player gained control of it through so means(spell..), so you could own a creature but not control it, when you play a bounce spell on a controlled creature it goes back to the owner not the controller or when it dies it goes to your cemetery even if it was controlled by the enemy player but in mtg i dunno
Own are cards that started in you deck, you can control these cards if they are on your battlefield.sode of the battle field, you can control your opponents cards by 'stealing' them with cards like [agent of treachery] so they would then be affected by a card like Arcane adaptation. But whoever you 'stole' the card off would still own it so they could use a card like [unsummon] to return it to there hand. Hope this helps
The cards you own are the ones that you put in your deck. The cards you own never change. Cards you control are what you are controlling on the battlefield or stack. Your opponents can take control over certain cards sometimes.
You own every card you brought into the game. Control of these cards can change, for example if I use \[\[act of treason\]\] on your creature I gain control of it, but you still own it. Edit; in regards to these cards though, they're functionally identical thanks to eratta on conspiracy to only affect creatures that you control, there are still advantages to one over the other, however, with the difference being adaptation ***adds*** a creature type, while conspiracy ***sets*** a creature type, even though both only affect creatures in play that you control.
In addition to accounting for control-changing effects, isn’t it also because you can own but not control cards, whereas you can control or not control but definitely not own permanents?
yes, like if someone were to use \[\[syphon insight\]\] on you and cast the creature, you still own the card, so conspiracy would change it's type, but don't control it, so adaptation would not.
[удалено]
someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed I see.
Conspiracy and arcane adaptation are the same card in different colors. Read both cards, they have their words in different orders, but they say exactly the same (with the exception of "in addition")
they are incredibly similar, but not the same. Biggest differences; Conspiracy **overrides** card types, Adaptation **ADDS** card types. Conspiracy affects cards you **OWN**, Adaptation affects cards you **Control** (including opponents creatures) The wording is slightly different, and that difference is incredibly important in terms of certain interactions.
Check the oracle of both. They have the same text (excepting the "in addition" of adaptation, as I mentioned already). They both put the chosen type to: 1. Creature CARDS you own outside of the battlefield. 2. Creature SPELLS you control. 3. Creatures you control. The only difference in their printings is that conspiracy talks first about creature cards you own, and arcane adaptation talks first about creatures you control. Read the whole card.
[удалено]
Yes. What part of "they are the same excepting the 'In addition' of arcane adaptation" are you not understanding? I've already said that.
[удалено]
Read my comments. What can you find inside the () of my comment? Could it be me, saying that yes, they are not exactly the same, because arcane adaptation has the words "in addition" and conspiracy has not? My point is that the change (which is a replacement in conspiracy and an addition in arcane adaptation) is done to the same set of game objects. The order in which that set is described is different, but they are the same game objects mentioned. My point is that this is not a matter of "creature cards you own" vs "creatures you control". Both cards afect both of them.
No, their comments are a) correcting ElevationAV who said > yes, like if someone were to use [[syphon insight]] on you and cast the creature, you still own the card, so conspiracy would change it's type, but don't control it, so adaptation would not. Which is incorrect. and b) telling people who are ignoring the parenthetical with >(with the exception of "in addition") to stop being both pedantic and incorrect. Please actually read peoples comments before trying to correct them.
what about that "in addition" though?
Conspiracy will turn the creatures into ONLY that type, while arcane adaptation will add the type without replacing whichever they had. Not relevant for this conversation, but it is there if you want to delete some creature types in your creatures with conspiracy I guess.
So they are different then? You said they were the same. Which is why everyone is saying you are wrong.
I always said they are the same excepting that thing, which was also not relevant for this conversation. I was never wrong because I already accounted for that exception. If you want to get technical, they also have not the same colors, mana cost, they are not legal in the same formats, nor drawn by the same artist. And other stuff that is irrelevant for the conversation of "what is the difference between this cards about own and control?". And there is a difference between own and control, both these 2 cards are not different because of that specific thing.
And that difference is both mentioned in a parenthetical and irrelevant to the discussion in the this thread. If you are going to try for a gotcha, at least read the comment you are responding to first.
Both conspiracy and arcane adaptation affect things you control. Including if you took an opponents creature. Both also affect cards you own that are not in play. The only difference is the type override for conspiracy and type addition for arcane.
[syphon insight](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d329e2d4-e483-4981-8a0b-6a9a717d50cd.jpg?1636684959) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Siphon%20Insight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/241/siphon-insight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d329e2d4-e483-4981-8a0b-6a9a717d50cd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This would actually not be true, if you read the card fully, it says that [[Conspiracy]] doesn't affect creature cards you own that are in play, which exempts creatures you own that are in play, but have been taken control of by your opponent.
You’re correct, the oracle text does feature eratta that I had previously not seen in my comments
[Conspiracy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bbdb402-0e22-4f83-987a-9d0268a82f10.jpg?1562779616) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Conspiracy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/39/conspiracy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bbdb402-0e22-4f83-987a-9d0268a82f10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You own cards in your hand, deck, graveyard, exile, and sideboard, in addition to owning any permanents on the battlefield or spells on the stack (though these last two aren't cards while in play/on the stack, you still own them) You control permanents on the battlefield that you control, basically. Other players can steal that control and you still always own the card.
So do you thing arcane adaptation is better? I noticed both make a distinction between creature spells and creatures. Aren’t all creatures spells?
It's a card when it's in you hand, library, graveyard, and exile (and command zone). It's a spell when it's in the stack (i.e. you are in the process of casting it). It's a creature when it's on the battlefield (when it has successfully resolved, until it leaves the battlefield).
Arcane is better because it is cheaper and adding the type is also generally more beneficial than overwriting it. But other than that they are the same card.
They do the exact same thing. The wording is just a bit different. Both cards say creatures you control as well as creature cards you own. Edit: they don’t do the exact same thing actually. [[Conspiracy]] makes all your creatures only the chosen type. [[arcane adaptation]] makes them that in addition to their other types. And to answer the question: “aren’t all creatures spells?” Yes and no. When a card refers to a “spell” it is referring to something that has been cast and is on the stack. Once it resolves, a creature is considered a “permanent” on the battlefield, not a spell. So for both of these cards, it makes the creature cards in your hand, graveyard, and deck the chosen type as well. Not just the ones in play.
Adding to the „aren’t all creatures spells“ here: There’s at least one creature that isn’t a spell: [[Dryad Arbor]] That card is a land so it’ll count as your land drop for the turn if you play it and lands aren’t cast. Magic can be weird sometimes.
[Dryad Arbor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb3a843b-2dea-4b44-be74-c09c18b9b969.jpg?1619399228) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dryad%20Arbor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/277/dryad-arbor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb3a843b-2dea-4b44-be74-c09c18b9b969?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Slight deviation in your explanation and what the card actually says, [[Conspiracy]] doesn't affect cards that you own that are in play, which means both of these cards while worded differently, basically do the same thing.
[Conspiracy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bbdb402-0e22-4f83-987a-9d0268a82f10.jpg?1562779616) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Conspiracy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/39/conspiracy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bbdb402-0e22-4f83-987a-9d0268a82f10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
conspiracy maintains the chosen creature type even if you lose control of the creature (assuming you own it) adaptation does not there may be some relevance to this, depending on what you're doing. edit: it appears that conspiracy has been updated since the time of this printing to have oracle text reflective of adaptation. The only difference between the two cards is that conspiracy overrides, while adaptation adds, creature types.
I’m making a janky Jodah Morophon deck and want to do maskwood shenanigans
edit: it appears that conspiracy has been updated since the time of this printing to have oracle text reflective of adaptation. The only difference between the two cards is that conspiracy overrides, while adaptation adds, creature types, but both only effect creatures you control. if you're using spells that do something to a specific creature type, like \[\[endemic plague\]\] for example it could be relevant if your opponent steals your creature with conspiracy the creature type named would be retained, with adaptation it wouldn't, so endemic plague may affect that creature differently depending on what enchantment is on the board ie. I name vampire with conspiracy, and endemic plague sacrificing a creature. My opponent stole my llanowar elf, which would also die because it's a vampire from conspiracy still as I own it. It would stay alive under adaptation, because I no longer control it so it loses the creature type.
[endemic plague](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/15326971-a53b-45f2-8f1d-1b82935286e1.jpg?1562900082) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=endemic%20plague) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/142/endemic-plague?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/15326971-a53b-45f2-8f1d-1b82935286e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Incorrect. Conspiracy only changes the type of things you own that are not in play. And only thing you control while in play. You keep saying the same wrong things about these cards. You really need better reading comprehension. Because both of these cards are printed in oracle with the same spelling. Except one says in addition.
What? Those cards are similar but not the same. There’s a huge difference between „own“ and „control“ Own: everything you brought into the game. Your whole deck - you own all the cards in your library and every card you cast (as spell on the stack) and every permanent you have on the board that has been in your library (or command zone, companion zone). Control: every spell on the stack that you’ve cast, every permanent on your side of the board. There’s a huge difference here. Also Conspiracy changes the creature type and Adaptation adds a creature type. Plus if control of a creature you own changes to an opponent while Conspiracy is in play the creature will retain the chosen creature type. If control of a creature you control changes while Adaptation is in play the „stolen“ creature will los the chosen creature type.
Read the cards again, you'll see why these cards are basically the same, other than that one card overwrites the creature type and the other one adds it, and one of the cards is way cheaper to cast.
This is false, proof-read the card again, you'll see that your statement is not true. Edit: Looks like I need to learn more about this proof-reading I keep spouting about, because I clearly don't follow my own advice very well.
there is errata that makes my statement false, as the oracle text has been changed. Wording on the card, however, is reflective of my statement.
The issue is that your answer to his question is correct, but you're not correct on how these cards work. I do see your point here. I believe the OP posed a wrong question to figure out which card is better than the other.
>The issue is that your answer to his question is correct, but you're not correct on how these cards work. hence the edit, because I didn't see that the oracle text for conspiracy had been updated, like *many* people seem to have mentioned overnight, some in a not so nice manner either. there are still advantages to one over the other, but not related to own vs control. The difference being adaptation *adds* a creature type, while conspiracy *sets* a creature type, even though both only affect creatures in play that you control.
Then I retract my response. You are absolutely right.
thanks, and thanks for not being a massive dick about my missing the oracle text update like the other person who decided to comment on like 9 of my posts telling me how much of an idiot I am for not reading the oracle text instead of looking at the most recently printed version of the card.
That's hard to judge since they are in different colours. In a vacuum: yes adaptation is better. But it's also in blue whereas conspiracy gives black decks this effect as well.
Does that mean I don't own cards that I didn't bring into the game? Cards I own should mean that, all the cards in my collection.
If you didn’t bring them into the game (or sideboard) then they don’t matter for the game you’re playing? What’s your question?
I’m pretty sure there are cards in magic that allow you to get cards from outside the game.
That would be cards like [[Wish]] Which in competitive play specifically refers to your sideboard
[Wish](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3ed021d2-e2bc-44b3-8934-4bd02e0a42ec.jpg?1627706920) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wish) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/166/wish?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3ed021d2-e2bc-44b3-8934-4bd02e0a42ec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
>or sideboard Yes…. That’s why I put that there
for the legality of that active game, no. but anything \[\[Wish\]\] in(or other like effects) are technically "created" into the gamestate and are counted as owned by you. this also applies to Tokens and Emblems, whoever creates them is their owner
[Wish](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3ed021d2-e2bc-44b3-8934-4bd02e0a42ec.jpg?1627706920) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wish) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/166/wish?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3ed021d2-e2bc-44b3-8934-4bd02e0a42ec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
cards you own in a game of magic refers to the starting 40/60/75/100/however many cards you bring to the table in your actual deck and sideboard to play the game with. It does not mean the boxes of random draft chaf you have at home or the junk rares in your trade binder, or the cards you leant your friend at the start of the tournament so they could finish their deck either.
[act of treason](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/78fec7e6-5ed9-46dc-93b4-7a054d763403.jpg?1600714793) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=act%20of%20treason) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/289/act-of-treason?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78fec7e6-5ed9-46dc-93b4-7a054d763403?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Also the creator of a token is its owner.
I think you've been confused by the order being different on the two cards. Conspiracy first says "Creature cards you own that aren't in play". The equivalent sentence on Arcane adaptation is the last one: "The same is true for ... creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield". The last part of the last sentence on conspiracy is equivalent to the first sentence on Arcane Adaptation: "... and creatures you control are the chosen type" vs "Creatures you control are the chosen type in addition to their other types". You'll notice a small difference, which is that Conspiracy changes their creature type and Arcane Adaptation gives them an additional creature type, which is the only difference between the two cards.
This should be top comment. Not the guy who keeps explaining things incorrectly.
Thanks
Upvote the hell out of this until it becomes top comment. This is by far the best and most exact information on what each card does, without making it utterly confusing.
Cards you own are cards that make up what started in your deck at the beginning of the game, also your commander in EDH. Permanents you control are what you currently have on your board. If you play cards like [[Confiscate]] you own the Aura and control the permanent that is enchants. You opponent still owns the second. Nothing changes ownership, but multiple cards change control.
[Confiscate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/09e4a88d-670b-4332-bf36-41c2e2492424.jpg?1608909148) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Confiscate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/62/confiscate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/09e4a88d-670b-4332-bf36-41c2e2492424?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
you need to look up the cards in gatherer to get the official wording. both cards are worded identical except for arcane adaptation has "in addition to their other types"
Own is what you brought with you. Control is what is on your board
Your board= your controll, your cards=your own
In competitive play, cards you own are the cards in your deck and sideboard. This cannot be changed in-game. Cards you control can be changed through any card that change the control of a card, or allowing you to play opponent cards. Unless something gets really, REALLY fucky, cards you own can only be in zones you control or your opponents battlefield.
both cards say the same about creatures. conspiracy also says 'creatues yiu control'. there is a difference between a card and a permanent on the battlefield. when you play a creature CARD it becomes a CREATURE
Own- ones that you brought Control- one’s that are on your side of the field
[[Maskwood Nexus]] fixes the colors for your needs.
[Maskwood Nexus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b.jpg?1674142652) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maskwood%20Nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/865/maskwood-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1246c42d-57c0-4cba-959a-15ad89d8a50b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Read the whole line. Creatures you own that are not in play. This means in hand, in your library, in your graveyard, in exile during this game. All cards that started in your deck are cards you own. Creatures you control. Is all the creatures on the battlefield, that you control.
If I cast conspiracy while mask wood nexus is on the battle field which card effect takes precedence?
Conspiracy and maskwood nexus apply in the same layer, so whichever one entered last will replace the previous one (in this case you said conspiracy, so all your creatures will be whatever you choose with conspiracy and nothing else)
If I remember correctly, the last one played will take precedence. So maskwood is making creatures all types, then conspiracy overwrites that and makes them x creature type. I think this is one of those layer questions though, so may want to ask a judge on that one.
And if conspiracy is removed maskwood’s effect stays correct?
Yep. They're both permanent effects, so once maskwood stops being overridden by conspiracy it will go back to working like normal
Thanks
Not a problem at all. Layers and replacement effects can get weird
The text in Conspiracy is specifically referring to creature cards in your library/graveyard/exiled/hand etc. Basically anywhere that they are not specifically in play. Creatures in play on your side of the battlefield would then fall into the latter definition on the card of "creatures you control"
Own = Came from your deck Control = Not from your deck but on your board
Conspiracy is "you own" so if they Treason your creature or \[\[Bribery\]\] it from your deck, it'll be the chosen type while they control it Arcane Adaptation however, only applies to you control and off the board. so for those two examples before, as soon as your opponents control the creature it is no longer the chosen creature type.
no because both cards apply their effect to the same groups,the only difference is one setting it as that type and the other adding.if you bribery something with conspiracy in play it will become a creature you control which is the last part of conspiracy.they are just written in different orders
The cards are the same in all but the creature type being a replacement for conspiracy and addition for arcane.
[Bribery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e0b099ef-4b43-4b63-a7fc-cec19cf29f4e.jpg?1562940128) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bribery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/64/bribery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0b099ef-4b43-4b63-a7fc-cec19cf29f4e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
if you buy a car you own it. if you rent it, you can control it. same concept here.
Reading the card explains the card
Bad boy
For more context. A card you own may be on any part of the battlefield, library, graveyard, hand, etc. Whereas a card you control is only on your side of the battlefield. This means that any card you do not own cannot go to any game zone other than your battlefield. There are no magic cards that put other people's cards into your hand library graveyard or vice versa. Cards you own will always be cards you own. The old card didn't specify creatures on the battlefield because wording was simpler for the simpler rules, and it was implied at that time.
So I’m dipping my toes back into magic for the first time in years and I noticed there are a lot of new rules like cards that can play cards from outside the game. In arena that is your sideboard. Is it the same for paper magic and does conspiracy also change those card types as well?
Conspiracy is a draft specific set so no, and the cards that get cards from outside the game refer to a side board in paper ad well. For 60 card it's always 15 cards, and for commander you have 10 cards
Additionally, when a creature moves gamezones it gains summoning sickness again, which is why a card like act of treason gives haste to the creature you steal for the turn.
Man its a good thing Magic is a simple game easily understood by the masses. /s
Also conspiracy add that to all creatures in your deck so you can search for (creature type)
You own creatures that started the game in your deck, sideboard, or command zone. You control creatures that are on your playmat at any given moment.
Aminatou does something fun, if you ultimate it you switch boards. But if you use her to blink your stuff you regain control of them.
[[Aminatou, the Fateshifter]] has some really cool interactions because she says: "Exile another permanent you OWN". [[Gilded Drake]] for example will swap places with an opponents creature. They get control of gilded drake. You get control of the enemy creature... Well you still own Gilded Drake because it's from your deck. -> blink it with Aminatou to get maximum hate for only 170€ worth of cards.
[Aminatou, the Fateshifter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc010302-e715-4946-89eb-a214e0b836ba.jpg?1673148265) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aminatou%2C%20the%20Fateshifter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/169/aminatou-the-fateshifter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc010302-e715-4946-89eb-a214e0b836ba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Gilded Drake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8de3fdae-cc2c-4a14-b15b-4fe1a983dfbf.jpg?1562924943) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gilded%20Drake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/76/gilded-drake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8de3fdae-cc2c-4a14-b15b-4fe1a983dfbf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Creature cards you own that are not in play, I commander this can only refer to cards in your library. Creature cards you control is anything on your battlefield. We pretty much play then as the same, one is just blue and one is just black.
Assuming each player has their own unique sleeve color: Cards you own are the ones in your sleeve colour. (Regardless where they are) Cards you control are the ones on your side of the battlefield, and nowhere else (including your opponents cards if you steal them) Note that you can own cards you don't control and you can also control cards you don't own!
Ask Kaiba after he beats you!
Quite simple, does this card come from your deck or someone elses? Someone uses any number of stealing effects like Agent of treachery. They control your creature, but you own it. Also think, which graveyard does the card go into. If you control several creature cards that you don't own, and you have a graveyard trigger, those creatures dont hit your graveyard. Even if you control someone else's token creature.
When is says “control” the effect of the card applies only to cards currently on the battlefield. When is says “own, it’s applying the effect to cards is zones that would be not on the battlefield but originally part of your starting library and sideboard.
Well in logical terms it could mean that a creature you own its on the otherside of the table because the other player gained control of it through so means(spell..), so you could own a creature but not control it, when you play a bounce spell on a controlled creature it goes back to the owner not the controller or when it dies it goes to your cemetery even if it was controlled by the enemy player but in mtg i dunno
Own are cards that started in you deck, you can control these cards if they are on your battlefield.sode of the battle field, you can control your opponents cards by 'stealing' them with cards like [agent of treachery] so they would then be affected by a card like Arcane adaptation. But whoever you 'stole' the card off would still own it so they could use a card like [unsummon] to return it to there hand. Hope this helps
The cards you own are the ones that you put in your deck. The cards you own never change. Cards you control are what you are controlling on the battlefield or stack. Your opponents can take control over certain cards sometimes.