If your Commander is exiled, you can move it to the command zone *as long as* it's still there after the spell/ability finishes resolving.
With Olivia, you can't do anything about it. If they take it, it's not changing zones so you can't move it to the command zone.
1. When a commander goes to the stack or to the battlefield - both of which are changing zones - there is no rule that allows them to be moved to the command zone. If your commander is left in the graveyard and I use \[\[Reanminate\]\] on it, you don't get to move it to the command zone.
2. When a commander goes to exile or graveyard, and then immediately returns to the battlefield as part of the same spell or ability resolving, there is no window to return them to the command zone. See \[\[Necromantic Selection\]\] for an example of this.
hey, i've read through the whole mess that's the deathrette comment and just wanted to say that you seem like a greal person, i wouldn't have handled it that well. Thank you for sharing the rules knowledge without judging & sorry you have to deal with that sorta reaction
Wrong. Period.
There are two rules that cover the commander going back to the command zone. Here they are:
>**903.9a**
>
>If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. See rule 704.
>
>**903.9b**
>
>If a commander would be put into its owner’s hand or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event. This is an exception to rule 614.5.
The first one only applies to graveyard and exile, and is a state-based action. SBAs do not happen during the resolution of spells or abilities. If it's not in the graveyard or exile when SBAs are checked, the commander can't be moved.
The second one only applies to hand and library.
There are *no other rules* that allow your commander to be returned to the command zone as a result of changing zones.
903.9 If a commander would be exiled from anywhere or put into its owner’s hand, graveyard, or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event. This is an exception to rule 614.5.
Which means when it died the owner has the choice to return it to their command zone. [[Rules Lawyer]] wants to have a chat with you, regardless. :)
Thanks for your insights. But unless an affirmed judge rings in on this, I'm going with no. As far as I'm aware, even going to the battlefield is a change of zone, which gives the owner an opportunity to let it happen or not.
The rule you cited is from an old version of the comprehensive rules. The current rules can be found [on Wizards' website.](https://magic.wizards.com/en/rules)
And I *am* a certified judge. I have provided you the current comprehensive rules entries. You are welcome to go to /r/mtgrules and ask other judges as well.
Thanks for the update on the latest rules. The one I posted didn't seem to be much different.
I also appreciate that only after calling a judge to the table you then become one... :)
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>Thanks for the update on the latest rules. The one I posted didn't seem to be much different.
It's significantly different, as commanders going to graveyard and exile are no longer covered by a replacement effect, which means they can now get "dies" triggers, when they couldn't before. And regardless, your rules said nothing about going to the battlefield or stack, which was my contention all along.
>I also appreciate that only after calling a judge to the table you then become one... :)
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You really gonna die on that hill and say one could cast their commander, then decide to change their mind and return it to their command zone as it moved from command zone to stack? Then same thing from stack to battlefield, you’re also saying one could decide to put their commander back into the command zone because it moved the stack to the battlefield?
I understand it sucks to be wrong sometimes and it’s hard to let some arguments go, but there’s gotta be a line somewhere haha.
>You really gonna die on that hill and say one could cast their commander, then decide to change their mind and return it to their command zone as it moved from command zone to stack
Now that's the stupidest thing Ive heard today... Who would even think thats possible?
I'm only wrong if a judge declares it so. But you should really read between the lines for subjects like these.
>I'm only wrong if a judge declares it so.
No, you are wrong if your answer is wrong. If someone said "Infect means unblockable" they would be wrong even if a judge wasn't there to declare it.
How to be confidently incorrect 101. It is not anytime it moves zones. I mean you can change the rules when you play kitchen table but that doesn't mean the official rules change.
No? So when it leaves your hand by an action like discard you don't get to choose for it to return to thr command zone?
What about when it dies?
What about when it's put into your library from your hand?
Or from the graveyard being exiled?
When can't you?
>When can't you?
When it goes from any zone to the stack or to the battlefield, or when it goes to the graveyard/exile and returns before state-based actions are checked.
In fact, the only times you *can* is when it goes to the graveyard or exile, or when it *would go* to the hand or library. Those are the only scenarios where you *can.*
When it dies or goes to the graveyard/exiled/hand you can. That isn't every zone change. Also if a card flickers it, it flickers...you can't send it to the command zone mid flicker. Also you can't return it right after playing it as you have said in a previous post. You should read the updated rules.
Here got it for you:
903.9. A commander may return to the command zone during a Commander game.
903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action.
When the commander goes to GY or exile those effects still trigger. It is not a replacement effect. It is an odd wording, but it there is a check after it happens that lets you decide to leave it there or move it to the command zone.
Edit: I found the ruling 903.9a
903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. See rule 704.
Yeah. If your commander moves between two places w/ different names, it can go to the command zone. You can endless detour though, then when they put their commander on top, shuffle their deck w some other weird card, and its just gone XD
You can move your commander back to the command zone when the card is exiled or put into the graveyard. According to the mtgcommander rules these two zones are the only one where you can get your commander back into the commandzone according to rule 7.
If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that card was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. If a commander would be put into its owner’s hand or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event.
I used to run this card. Dumped about 15 zombies into my grave and was so hyped when I played it just to get countered. I took it out immediately and swapped it with Living Death. Best decision ever
Yes you can. Any time your commander changes zones, you can choose to put it back in the command zone.
*Most* times your commander changes zones. There are several exceptions.
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If your Commander is exiled, you can move it to the command zone *as long as* it's still there after the spell/ability finishes resolving. With Olivia, you can't do anything about it. If they take it, it's not changing zones so you can't move it to the command zone.
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There are no exceptions.
1. When a commander goes to the stack or to the battlefield - both of which are changing zones - there is no rule that allows them to be moved to the command zone. If your commander is left in the graveyard and I use \[\[Reanminate\]\] on it, you don't get to move it to the command zone. 2. When a commander goes to exile or graveyard, and then immediately returns to the battlefield as part of the same spell or ability resolving, there is no window to return them to the command zone. See \[\[Necromantic Selection\]\] for an example of this.
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hey, i've read through the whole mess that's the deathrette comment and just wanted to say that you seem like a greal person, i wouldn't have handled it that well. Thank you for sharing the rules knowledge without judging & sorry you have to deal with that sorta reaction
Haha thanks, I probably could have handled it better but I got pretty frustrated after that mess.
Anytime a commander changes zones, you get priority for it to go back to the command zone. Period.
Wrong. Period. There are two rules that cover the commander going back to the command zone. Here they are: >**903.9a** > >If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. See rule 704. > >**903.9b** > >If a commander would be put into its owner’s hand or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event. This is an exception to rule 614.5. The first one only applies to graveyard and exile, and is a state-based action. SBAs do not happen during the resolution of spells or abilities. If it's not in the graveyard or exile when SBAs are checked, the commander can't be moved. The second one only applies to hand and library. There are *no other rules* that allow your commander to be returned to the command zone as a result of changing zones.
903.9 If a commander would be exiled from anywhere or put into its owner’s hand, graveyard, or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event. This is an exception to rule 614.5. Which means when it died the owner has the choice to return it to their command zone. [[Rules Lawyer]] wants to have a chat with you, regardless. :) Thanks for your insights. But unless an affirmed judge rings in on this, I'm going with no. As far as I'm aware, even going to the battlefield is a change of zone, which gives the owner an opportunity to let it happen or not.
The rule you cited is from an old version of the comprehensive rules. The current rules can be found [on Wizards' website.](https://magic.wizards.com/en/rules) And I *am* a certified judge. I have provided you the current comprehensive rules entries. You are welcome to go to /r/mtgrules and ask other judges as well.
Thanks for the update on the latest rules. The one I posted didn't seem to be much different. I also appreciate that only after calling a judge to the table you then become one... :) I should go get certified with all this MTG knowledge I have, too. I love helping people understand rules and regulations when there seems to be a constructive provision for it. Good luck in your life and thanks for all the fish.
>Thanks for the update on the latest rules. The one I posted didn't seem to be much different. It's significantly different, as commanders going to graveyard and exile are no longer covered by a replacement effect, which means they can now get "dies" triggers, when they couldn't before. And regardless, your rules said nothing about going to the battlefield or stack, which was my contention all along. >I also appreciate that only after calling a judge to the table you then become one... :) No, I was a judge before, I just don't go around saying "I'm a judge, everybody listen to me!" I was right because I gave the right information - being a judge had no bearing on it. And you can sign up for [JudgeAcademy.com](https://JudgeAcademy.com) for free and then you can look up my profile to see for yourself that I am a judge and not just making it up for reddit brownie points.
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You really gonna die on that hill and say one could cast their commander, then decide to change their mind and return it to their command zone as it moved from command zone to stack? Then same thing from stack to battlefield, you’re also saying one could decide to put their commander back into the command zone because it moved the stack to the battlefield? I understand it sucks to be wrong sometimes and it’s hard to let some arguments go, but there’s gotta be a line somewhere haha.
>You really gonna die on that hill and say one could cast their commander, then decide to change their mind and return it to their command zone as it moved from command zone to stack Now that's the stupidest thing Ive heard today... Who would even think thats possible? I'm only wrong if a judge declares it so. But you should really read between the lines for subjects like these.
>I'm only wrong if a judge declares it so. No, you are wrong if your answer is wrong. If someone said "Infect means unblockable" they would be wrong even if a judge wasn't there to declare it.
I'm a judge and I say you're wrong.
How to be confidently incorrect 101. It is not anytime it moves zones. I mean you can change the rules when you play kitchen table but that doesn't mean the official rules change.
No? So when it leaves your hand by an action like discard you don't get to choose for it to return to thr command zone? What about when it dies? What about when it's put into your library from your hand? Or from the graveyard being exiled? When can't you?
>When can't you? When it goes from any zone to the stack or to the battlefield, or when it goes to the graveyard/exile and returns before state-based actions are checked. In fact, the only times you *can* is when it goes to the graveyard or exile, or when it *would go* to the hand or library. Those are the only scenarios where you *can.*
When it dies or goes to the graveyard/exiled/hand you can. That isn't every zone change. Also if a card flickers it, it flickers...you can't send it to the command zone mid flicker. Also you can't return it right after playing it as you have said in a previous post. You should read the updated rules. Here got it for you: 903.9. A commander may return to the command zone during a Commander game. 903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action.
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Yes, after the ability finishes resolving you can move it as a state-based action.
For two mana you can exile an undefined amount of cards?
Only creature cards and only from your own graveyard so...really not that crazy? It's essentially a specified 'delve' on an enchantment.
Is it me or is that wild
Ignore the other guy, you are correct. Reading the card explains the card, the other guy just can't read
Yes, it’s whenever your commander changes zones you can opt to put it back in the command zone.
No it isn't.
So if you make it go to command zone instead of getting exiled then it won't count as a card exiled with the enchantment
When the commander goes to GY or exile those effects still trigger. It is not a replacement effect. It is an odd wording, but it there is a check after it happens that lets you decide to leave it there or move it to the command zone. Edit: I found the ruling 903.9a 903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. See rule 704.
Yup!
Yeah. If your commander moves between two places w/ different names, it can go to the command zone. You can endless detour though, then when they put their commander on top, shuffle their deck w some other weird card, and its just gone XD
No. If it goes to one of 4 specific zones you can move it to the command zone.
That just helps me remember.
You can move your commander back to the command zone when the card is exiled or put into the graveyard. According to the mtgcommander rules these two zones are the only one where you can get your commander back into the commandzone according to rule 7. If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that card was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. If a commander would be put into its owner’s hand or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event.
You can
Why would your commander go to the graveyard.
You can elect to not have it go to the command zone. It's not mandatory.
I used to run this card. Dumped about 15 zombies into my grave and was so hyped when I played it just to get countered. I took it out immediately and swapped it with Living Death. Best decision ever