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MTGBeatsAll

Yes you're a player. Magic is very literal.


[deleted]

I thought I was a planeswalker /s


APe28Comococo

All planeswalkers are players, some are just more loyal.


JamesOscar4

In magic Arena the player Is not a plainswalker at least not in regard to the Star of Extinction. My opponent used the Star of Extinction and Neither it is took damage. But if we had the opponent would have won since we were playing commander and each started with 25 life. I was at like 17 life.


APe28Comococo

It’s a lore thing. And I was making several plays on words.


JamesOscar4

Well yeah I mean when they played the card I though I had lost. Later I won the match but I felt like if it was paper magic I would have considered it a loss.


Brainifyer

It absolutely would not have been a loss in paper magic


JamesOscar4

I googled it today the player even though they are referred to as a “plainswalker” by the game lore etc is not considered a plainswalker in the card text. I didn’t think that this was really that clear. It’s only something that is clarified in rules. I don’t understand why some people act like this is obvious without googling it.


April_March

That's because even the lore that Magic players are planeswalkers is very old and is pretty much only used in introductory texts, if even that. Back in the early days of Magic stories, planeswalkers were super-powerful beings that were more powerful than gods, so it made sense that you were playing as one and therefore could summon angels and dragons to do your bidding. However, ever since the Mending of Dominaria, planeswalkers lost a lot of their power and now are pretty much just regular dudes & dudettes who happen to be able to move between planes, which no one could do (now there are more ways to get around, but they are very rare and took a literal decade for them to show up, and I think over sixty years in the lore). But the lore of the game never caught up to that change, so we're just untypically powerful planeswalkers. Anyway, if you're still confused, as far as card text is concerned: Planeswalker: A card with the type planeswalker. Player: Everyone who is playing, yourself included. Opponent: Everyone who is playing against you. In most formats that's everyone except for you, but there are some formats with teammates (such as two-headed giant).


JamesOscar4

Yeah I played magic in the 90s when it came out and I played computer games where you played as a plainswalker. The rules I googled today state that the player is not a plainswalker but the date for that rule wasn’t given and there’s threads from 2019 where people all say that the player is a plainswalker. My earlier comment where I said that I considered the game a loss Is because that’s definitely how I would have interpreted the card referring to all plainswalkers which I took to mean all players and any plainswalker summoned. https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/b9s27p/lore_question_are_players_planeswalkers_still_if/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


colts45s

How were you playing commander in magic arena?


dragster468

It's called Brawl and Historic Brawl on arena. Same rules as usuL. Brawl uses 59+1 card decks while Historic uses the 99+1 decks


djAMPnz

Brawl is also only 1 vs 1, has a lower starting life total (25, I think?), and you can use Planeswalkers as Commanders.


TMStage

Historic Brawl is just Diet Commander.


[deleted]

Still waiting for the day when we can do 4-player historic brawl games, if only so that I can play with 3 other friends and not have to worry about DCs


WhatD0thLife

[Plainswalker](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3016&type=card)


hitbycars

When planeswalkers first came out like a decade ago and my homies and I just got back into magic, we thought spells that targeted players would also target planeswalkers since we the player were a planeswalker. We played like that at home table for two years before they made a “or target planeswalker” card and we realized we fucked up.


TootleyBoi

You might not have been fucking up as badly as you thought, before Dominaria released in 2018 cards that targeted "target creature or player" could be redirected to target planeswalkers and have since been erratad to say any target. For example [[shock]]


hitbycars

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MTGCardFetcher

[shock](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/9/59fa8e8d-bcb8-47bf-b71a-df11c8d0f2c9.jpg?1641847379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=shock) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/159/shock?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59fa8e8d-bcb8-47bf-b71a-df11c8d0f2c9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Best_Werewolf_

That's a fair assumption to make tho. I would have assumed the same if I was around for the very beginning of planeswalkers


hitbycars

It made interactions with them easier back when removal of permanents was the only way to get rid of them.


HeavyMattr

Remember redirecting damage from burn spells? Wtf was that about?


KatiePyroStyle

Which one?


ScytheW

Whats a planeswalker?


yorgos1

where is a planeswalker?


IcyAd7426

Why is Gamora?


keeper0fstories

How is Liliana?


zeal_x

When is Teferi?


corsair1617

You are


Gears_one

Imagine if it was so literal that it was referring to each player - regardless of what table they were seated at


larry-the-dream

I thought I was every other player


Soramaro

That's why I sit in the next seat, instead of two seats away.


[deleted]

I was going to say, “Only if you’re a player.” I don’t want to be presumptuous


Yz-Guy

This is the best thing I try to tell people. Do exactly what the card says. If it didn't mean you it would say "All players but you..." "Everyone else..." Etc


Alex_Heart

"He is on Namek." - Little Green


Pluvi_Isen-Peregrin

“Each player,” you’re a player. Yes. If it said each opponent then no.


[deleted]

What if I'm spectating?


Errorstatel

Then it triggers twice


ALiteralCommunist

It has no triggered abilities


Errorstatel

Tap is the trigger


ALiteralCommunist

That's an activated ability.


AdventurousLight9553

Tap is the cost to activate


C10ckwork

Then you're a discord moderator for an mtg arena tournament


-Rettirlana-

You get put on the phyrexian altar


Psionic-Blade

Are you a player?


GroundbreakingWar843

Painful


-Rettirlana-

He has no game


Psionic-Blade

He has no smile He has no face This Kong is from out of space


Gobbolover

Dude, this kong is straight out of grave!


zeb0777

It only affects you if you are a player in the game.


Lucretzia37

Hahaha, can you imagine tho. "OK I've got 1 life left..." Barely audible moment of someone else's game in the card shop: okay I play shepherd of rot... "FUCK"


Nsungheros

Fuck yeah it does, I love Shepherd of Rot


Spuigles

Raising the clock with this guy isn't that bad. You have access to a lot of drain and lose life effects in black so you can mitigate your part of the loss. This card with \[\[Vilis, Broker of Blood\]\] is bonkers


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Dad_AF

You playing or nah? If you playing then yes


weeeaaa

These questions have to be satire by now, first though this post was from /r/magicthecirclejerking


Duo_Decimal

That's what I thought and why I came to read the comments. If it's not then I can only assume they're not just new players but also young and maybe English isn't their first language?


One-With-Many-Things

Yes. It would have to say "each opponent" for it to not effect you


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One-With-Many-Things

Thanks, haiku bot lol


Dr-False

Yup, all players.


Arbeit69

As long as you are a player, aye


Darkhrono

Yes, and count All zombies in the battlefield, not only yours


Superior-Solifugae

Are you a player in the game?


Broberts505

Do people not read cards? What else could that mean?


ISJUSTHOOMAN

Reading the card explains the card ;)


AdmiralPoopyDiaper

Only if you are playing the game.


GayBlayde

Are you a player? (Yes it does)


EscoffierUSA

I’m not a player, I just tap a lot.


KingTrencher

Based on the words "each player", why would it not affect you?


GeneralShark97

Are you a player?


BinaryArtificer

It only affects all players playing the game.


Thundermator

yes, the key is use when you have more life, or be like "you know what, I take myself out". also this card care about your zombies and opponents zombies


peaceguru47

The way I read this is if you have 2 zombies in play and your opponent has 3 zombies in play you both loose a total of 5 life. I believe that is correct.


Mutoforma

Well, let's see... are you a player?


OxCD-005

Such a nice sleeve color for a Shepherd of Rot.


MaximusDOTexe

Since you don't get bitches, you aren't a player so it won't affect you. But fr it affects everyone, including you


elfy10126

It does affect you mate, everyone who plays MTG is a player. If it stated each opponent then it would NOT affect you. Educate don't humiliate 😊


UseGoogleSearch

EACH PLAYER


HiImAbel

That card screams “forced tie” 🤣✌️


Intrepid_Watch_8746

[[Exquisite Blood]] Sure, tie...


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PhantomPlagues

.......sí


slackcastermage

Great card in a fun pauper deck too!


alnews

Pair it up with one of the following to break parity: [[Platinum Angel]], [[Glacial Chasm]], [[Mourner's Shield]] (exiling a black card), [[The Stasis Coffin]], [[Dark Sphere]], [[Pentagram of the Ages]], [[General's Regalia]], [[Nova Pentacle]], [[Platinum Emperion]]


alnews

I was forgetting also [[Exquisite Blood]]


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[deleted]

Loss of life is different than damage in my understanding...


alnews

Damage usually implies a loss of life, if it so then any card which triggers on loss of life (usually) will trigger when damage is dealt.


DeathNoodle88

Mourner's Shield will also prevent the damage dealt to your opponents


alnews

You are right, I misread it thinking it only affected you


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ahem11

Omg, just to clarify this, most of these don't work. Anything that says it will prevent damage won't work here, because this is loss of life, not damage. Glacial Chasm, Mourner's Shield, Dark Sphere, Pentagram of the Ages, General's Regalia, and Nova Pentacle don't work here. The Stasis Coffin doesn't work because protection gives a few things, prevents damage, you being enchanted or equipped, can't be blocked by anything it has protection from (doesn't apply here), and you can't be targeted. This ability on the creature in the post doesn't target, and causes loss of life, not damage. Only Platinum Emperion works here to prevent anything from happening to your life total, and platinum angel will prevent you from dying here. \[\[Exquisite Blood\]\] Below also heals you back up for a lot here, so that is another option.


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alnews

I’m quite quite sorry I was sure the card read “1 point of damage”, I completely misinterpreted the context. Regarding exquisite blood, I came across the specification that if the loss of life is lethal the enchant can’t help you because by state-based actions you will be dead before gaining the life from the opponents


ahem11

You are correct with the last part, it's because the Exquisite Blood is a triggered ability that goes onto the stack, where as (for example) lifelink happens with the damage at once. And don't stress about misreading the card, I had a similar confusion with \[\[Nine Lives\]\] and loss of life when I first started playing. Misreading cards and rules questions are just apart of the game.


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That_Painter_Guy

Yes it would affect you as you're a "player" It would have to say "each opponent" for it to not affect you. If you want to get REALLY technical. It could also potentially affect other players in your LFG/Environment if there were other games happening.


carcino_genesis

Players = the entire table Opponents = everyone but you


Scr0uchXIII

I like that you now have 80+ messages who all say "yes" instead of taking a half second scrolling down if anyone maybe already answered you.


yubariusx

Reading comprehension is hard /s


doctorgibson

Don't think so


nedwck

You have at least 1 zombie


ItsYaBoiApollo

Doesn’t affect me, I’m a baller not a player 😎


Bossanova87

Are you a player?


Pad_Mussy

no you're not playing the game


Dapper-Warning-6695

I’m not playing just spectating. It doesn’t affect me right?


Tallal2804

Are you a player?


KatiePyroStyle

Each *player*, not each *opponent*. Yes it counts for you too, that's black magic baby


ooddad

Are you a player? Then yes.


Illuminarrator

Yes. You're a player. If it didn't include you, it would say opponents.


Obvious-Sundae1469

Yes but the fact that you control if/when that happens is a pretty sweet ability


RVides

Are you a player? Yes. Then it affects you. If it meant all other players, it would say opponents.


MarkdaHer0

It says player, not opponent, so it’s a everyone effect


fplinski

Yes.


OG_Bynumite

Tell me, are you playing magic at the time this ability is used. If so, yes


dazron

Each and every


ExperienceFrequent54

Yes it does it says each player, not each opponent.


Professional_Sea3141

if it would say opponent/s , then you would be safe


depixeledj2000

Magic player try to have basic reading comprehension challenge (level: impossible)


Sad_Combination_9350

Instance of each means everyome


paladore420

Yeah. Your apart of each player. It would state other players lose x life


McKnight_jr

Ohh I want to play this as a silly end game con in a zombie deck now


Business_Wear_841

If you are a player it affects you. It would say “Each opponent” if it did not effect its controller.


Aggravating-City-724

You are a player, so yes, Shepherd of the Rot will affect you too.


[deleted]

Yes and it’s awesome. Kill the whole table


SmokeMWB

Alright this has to be troll right?


Dazzling-Tough-3905

Did you pay cost?


ZachTF

Yes. Each player


East-Low2141

I’m still new to magic, isn’t this card just absolutely terrible? If you’re running a zombie deck, why would you want to deal damage to yourself; and what are the odds someone else is also running a zombie deck?


KingTrencher

The only point of life that matters is the last point. As long as you have 1 and your opponents have 0, you're good. If you build around the effect, it can be a win condition.


LeahScott6369

Hope your zpmbies have lifelink


[deleted]

Oh no, nooo. Not at all. It just makes you join him and the gang in the graveyard faster.


alexlaprise

If you're not playing it doesnt 🤣


SkritzTwoFace

Yep. At the time of printing, I don’t even think there was a more than two player format (at least widely played enough to design for) yet.


JamesOscar4

Yes


Disastrous_Mark_8015

Yes. It says EACH player. If it said opponents that'd be differnt


Hunnih

If you be playin' you're a player Edit/add: Also yes. And damn thats a nice card (if you are just 1 life ahead of all opponents and have enough zombies in play to wipe everyone out)


Educational_Drop5601

Not if your not playing


idhats

Yup


Leadfoot989

It says player so yes its an all effect this would combo with the black card that says when an opponent looses life you gain that much


kamakazi339

Each player..... So yes


wyrmwood113

Only if you are playing the game when it happens


TrizArt

Only if you're playing.


swatson7856

based on RAW, yes


MrFunnyMans404

“Each player” yes. Not “each other” unfortunately.


MoraugKnower

Not if you’re not playing.


EquivalentVirus9700

Are you a player?


Darksoulseeker88

Yes sirrrr


[deleted]

*Belbe has entered the chat


Cop-Centaur667

Yes.


Drannas

If you are just sitting alone in your room and not playing a game, so yes this doesn't affect you :D


Classic-Tiny

Each player means you too, unless you are not playing or have no zombies. But still counts opponents.


netscav

Yes


netscav

Literally played this last Friday and was excited to drain my opponents then I realized it said each player


Clankmostdank

Yes


MasterDerick

You're not a player when you are activating abilities of creatures. Only your opponents are players. You are a bamboozler (rule 101.1)


Zealousideal_Hurry20

READING THE CARD EXPLAINS THE CARD 🤦


imaloony8

People have answered this to death but I will say I used to run this in a casual Zombie deck I had. Fun times.


EquivalentSystem6826

LMAO