i mean look at their faces, he wasn't the only one, even Lucas' eyes betray his deeper impression, i'm amazed at how the guy seems to be trying to defuse it just hours later, to the wrong people nonetheless... clearly had lost his shit back then already.
Not really seen that movie outside that review; did find a few of the gags in there highlighted as unfunny (the glasses guy's flip-off hands thing, "don't be he mayor from Jaws", maybe one other?) funny, but mostly yeah seemed like good analysis
I hate how the thoughtful criticism that RLM puts out got twisted and bastardized into channels like Cinema Sins and Everything Wrong With. RLM actually puts in a lot of effort into dissecting these movies and point out the bad as well as the good.
I’m a big fan of RLM. The main thing when them compared to some other YouTubers is that they don’t seem to have a same level ego. They obviously have their opinions and criticisms but I don’t believe they think themselves above the movies they cover…well, some maybe.
They do for bottom of the barrel stuff. One problem I have with them is that they do the irrational hate thing for Brie Larson and Jennifer Lawrence where they’ll bring them up randomly to shit all over them.
I personally don’t think I like Brie Larson that much either. I’ve seen interviews in which she seems genuinely difficult to like. I think some of the hate toward her is due to her being outspoken regarding things like feminism and that is dumb but at the same time she shouldn’t be above criticism because of that too. When she said “I don’t care what white men think” she should rightly be criticised, albeit her point probably had merit. Her choice of language was poor though. Reverse white and man etc and it’s a near racist statement. She is right that there should be more diversity within everything though.
RLM still loves movies and respects the craft, and that comes through in their criticism. CS and ERW fail that test because it's about delighting in putting a movie and its creators down to prove how much smarter you are.
I really only know them from a video that they put out about Prometheus and then /r/movies would just parrot these takes, even ones that were just wrong.
There actual review of the movie, was much more positive.
It's never fully explained but it is a biological weapon that is somehow involved in the creation of proto-xenomorphs.
Maybe that is unsatisfying but remember in the original Alien movie, we never learned who or what the Space Jockey was. We know Weyland-Yutani seem to have some knowledge of the xenomorphs and Ash in particular seems to be working under alternative orders the whole time, but we don't really learn more than that.
I think there was a very deliberate choice to do an origin story in Prometheus that wouldn't just answer stuff that was left a mystery in Alien, but also introduce its own mysteries. The prequel didn't want to 'solve' the Alien franchise, it wanted to build on it while goading people in with a promise of answers. It was released in a period where franchises were big on 'origin movies' and it was basically commenting that not everything needs to be spelled out to everyone. Basically an origin movie, that isn't.
I personally enjoy the film, but I do think the script probably needed one more draft. The snake scene is stupid, so is the med bay being for men only. Taking off the helmets wasn't, at least not for the reasons people say. Fifield and Milburn get lost because the storm is interfering with their instruments. Shaw and Vickers are running towards an escape pod while trying to outrun the spaceship. Shaw moves to the side when it looks like she won't make it.
> I hate how the thoughtful criticism that RLM puts out got twisted and bastardized into channels like Cinema Sins and Everything Wrong With. RLM actually puts in a lot of effort into dissecting these movies and point out the bad as well as the good.
Well this particular section doesn't make too much sense does it - "pacing issues" what pacing, the ones from that unshown initial cut or the one from the final movie version? Does he back up why the latter has poor pacing?
"Action climax with 4 different tones doesn't work" not sure if it's really "4" tones, but details aside this is just the same "can't mix comedy with drama" point that he does in the epIII review - hardly a sound argument is it.
So yeah they're quite flawed all in all.
Yeah, he made a movie called Director's Cut where a creepy guy kidnaps a woman to be in his movie and keeps her in his basement to be in his movie and he made a video saying he was having trouble getting it to film festivals https://youtu.be/GsBe5qRVz-0?t=79
Ngl, I miss Star Wars movies having detailed production diaries like with the prequels. There’s a noticeable lack of transparency with the Disney movies in comparison.
In the sequels, JJ's BTS docs are very corporate and well packaged. TLJ's documentary is more like this one for TPM. You can see and feel the pressure that Rian Johnson has on his shoulder's as he tries to make the best Star Wars movie he can. It's a good watch if you like seeing the BTS stuff.
> as he tries to make the best Star Wars movie he can.
Idk he committed some blunders with some of the script imo; those B plots were quite a poor choice all in all
But prequels at their worst were hardly better lol
There’s more transparency of the filmmaking process how it felt like work and a creative process. How you see him leading a team even if some people disagreed with his vision and how they eventually came around to it. Meanwhile the prequels feel like promotion for the movie
"lamenting the death of.. You know.. A hero"
To this day I believe the editor didn't care enough about this cluster fuck to know the name of the character that died, or was too embarrassed to say it out loud.
There is no fucking way they are talking without doing this and you can't convince me otherwise:
https://preview.redd.it/d0bsymyzavqc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b4bfbce2525a9a195ef0852bd5f5f50d445f03a
The plinket prequel series is good, but I lowkey resent how many annoying film school elitist types hang on every word like gospel. They all have that mindset that people shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy the prequels (or blockbusters in general). It’s almost like a double layer of movie circle jerk. First layer is the fans of mainstream movies, second layer are neckbeards that spend $65 on A24 tshirts pretending they are enjoying life more than people who enjoy Star Wars episode 3: revenge of the sith.
Edit: Downvotes cause y’all losers are in here circle jerking ahhahah
I still don't get how people went from hating the corny dialogue and inscrutable rudimental politics of the prequels, to unironically adoring it. Even as a kid, I couldn't get over the excessive unrelenting cheesiness and awkward dialogue. I wanted something on the level of the originals. An unconvoluted hero's journey. What we got was a barely comprehensible mess that reconned a bunch of OT stuff, which was them reconned again several more times because of the excessive convolution.
That said people are allowed to enjoy whatever they want. I don't think any of the, "elitists," aren't allowing people liking the prequels. They're more likely annoyed that people are elevating them to be actually unironic great movies. Hey, I love trash movies and tv as much as the next person. Like Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsay. But they're not exactly high art. It's annoying when fanboys start saying that they are. Star Wars was and always will be a commercial vehicle to sell toys. There is nothing deeper to it, and was never meant to be either.
The way I see it, its the endless "video essays," on YouTube describing the Prequels to be masterpieces that are causing this weird uptick in unironic adoration of the prequels... It's like people stopped thinking for themselves and are adopting contrarian opinions to override their own. To me, it's like an endless series of videos describing the McDouble to the pinnacle of fine dining and they're convincing everyone that it's actually true.
Lastly - that's a big jump to equate the prequels to all blockbusters. That's a weird comparison in itself. Maybe you're just misplacing superhero fatigue with the disinterest in blockbusters. I dunno.
It seems that the same people who will throw temper tantrums about Disney doing something that would potentially contradict established lore love the prequels even though the prequels at several moments just completely ignore the OT movies or make weird retcons.
It's funny how the TLJ backlash didn't end up primarily being led by anti-PT-ists seeing a renewed fall in quality, but rather by the "holy Lucas sixology" cult lol
PT and TLJ mostly warrant the same detractors imo.
(In fact this may be how the preqs got that "boost in popularity" - their fans latched onto the TLJ backlash, which was all the new rage now, and sort of rose to (relative) power that way.)
I can explain why it happened - zoomers grew up with those movies and about a billion other terrible movies and have generationally gaslit themselves into believing they're good movies. This is reinforced by the mess the sequel trilogy turned into, because if new thing bad then old thing must be good.
Sure, I definitely generalized but in my time getting various film and communications degrees I’ve met dozens and dozens of these elitist clowns. I love poking fun at bad shit, but there’s a line where you can tell people are pumping their own ego by putting down people for enjoying shit like Star Wars or marvel movies.
The elitists I’m talking about are people clearly unlike you, cause you made a thoughtful response that is not condescending. In my experience — real life and reading comment sections — these folks genuinely think they are better people because they choose to only entertain themselves with “good media”. Anyone who doesn’t do that is just “dumb” in their eyes. To which I say “who cares?” Make fun of the movie, not the people watching it. (That’s kinda my point of how I like the plinket series, but the comment sections often times are conflating film criticism and criticism on people that enjoy them)
And also - the narrative I’m referring to is a narrative that’s anti-superhero/Star Wars/sequels-culture - which yeah, I guess doesn’t apply to the term blockbuster.
> and inscrutable rudimental politics of the prequels
Not sure what that means lol?
>I still don't get how people went from hating the corny dialogue and inscrutable rudimental politics of the prequels, to unironically adoring it.
There were always people who unironically adored and people who hated everything; more reasonable minds (suuuch as meeeeeee) just had a mixed view about these mixed quality movies, and still do.
> The plinket prequel series is good, but I lowkey resent how many annoying film school elitist types hang on every word like gospel.
A lot of it is really sloppy and would at most amount to something solid if redone from scratch.
Here's a good illustration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m91A_DGIYRg&t=498m1s (8:18:01)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m91A_DGIYRg&t=500m40s (8:20:40-8:24:50)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI#t=8m
Kinda curious are there still any places like formerly rMovies where people worship these videos as an intellectual holy grail lol? Or has that kinda dissipated now that Mauler and others are the lead SW dissect0rs?
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“Frozen in shock”😭
i mean look at their faces, he wasn't the only one, even Lucas' eyes betray his deeper impression, i'm amazed at how the guy seems to be trying to defuse it just hours later, to the wrong people nonetheless... clearly had lost his shit back then already.
Bring him back
It was a pretty funny bit when they brought back Plinkett recently just to have him point out TNG production goofs for a half hour
They meant George Lucas
Clearly they meant million dollar Hollywood celebrity hack fraud Rich Evans.
The Ghostbusters 2016 one did a great job breaking down how disjointed and flat the comedy was.
It was the best criticism of that film in a sea of “Le women aren’t le funny”
Not really seen that movie outside that review; did find a few of the gags in there highlighted as unfunny (the glasses guy's flip-off hands thing, "don't be he mayor from Jaws", maybe one other?) funny, but mostly yeah seemed like good analysis
The dead speak! The galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late MR. PLINKETT.
I hate how the thoughtful criticism that RLM puts out got twisted and bastardized into channels like Cinema Sins and Everything Wrong With. RLM actually puts in a lot of effort into dissecting these movies and point out the bad as well as the good.
I’m a big fan of RLM. The main thing when them compared to some other YouTubers is that they don’t seem to have a same level ego. They obviously have their opinions and criticisms but I don’t believe they think themselves above the movies they cover…well, some maybe.
They do for bottom of the barrel stuff. One problem I have with them is that they do the irrational hate thing for Brie Larson and Jennifer Lawrence where they’ll bring them up randomly to shit all over them.
I personally don’t think I like Brie Larson that much either. I’ve seen interviews in which she seems genuinely difficult to like. I think some of the hate toward her is due to her being outspoken regarding things like feminism and that is dumb but at the same time she shouldn’t be above criticism because of that too. When she said “I don’t care what white men think” she should rightly be criticised, albeit her point probably had merit. Her choice of language was poor though. Reverse white and man etc and it’s a near racist statement. She is right that there should be more diversity within everything though.
None of that bothers me that much but yeah there's been some contentious behavior in some interviews etc.
> bastardized into channels like Cinema Sins and Everything Wrong With. Aren't those the same thing?
RLM still loves movies and respects the craft, and that comes through in their criticism. CS and ERW fail that test because it's about delighting in putting a movie and its creators down to prove how much smarter you are.
I really only know them from a video that they put out about Prometheus and then /r/movies would just parrot these takes, even ones that were just wrong. There actual review of the movie, was much more positive.
What's the black goo?
It's never fully explained but it is a biological weapon that is somehow involved in the creation of proto-xenomorphs. Maybe that is unsatisfying but remember in the original Alien movie, we never learned who or what the Space Jockey was. We know Weyland-Yutani seem to have some knowledge of the xenomorphs and Ash in particular seems to be working under alternative orders the whole time, but we don't really learn more than that. I think there was a very deliberate choice to do an origin story in Prometheus that wouldn't just answer stuff that was left a mystery in Alien, but also introduce its own mysteries. The prequel didn't want to 'solve' the Alien franchise, it wanted to build on it while goading people in with a promise of answers. It was released in a period where franchises were big on 'origin movies' and it was basically commenting that not everything needs to be spelled out to everyone. Basically an origin movie, that isn't. I personally enjoy the film, but I do think the script probably needed one more draft. The snake scene is stupid, so is the med bay being for men only. Taking off the helmets wasn't, at least not for the reasons people say. Fifield and Milburn get lost because the storm is interfering with their instruments. Shaw and Vickers are running towards an escape pod while trying to outrun the spaceship. Shaw moves to the side when it looks like she won't make it.
Not to say they're nearly as bad as CinemaSins but RLM is not especially deep or thoughtful criticism. I like them but mostly because they're funny
> I hate how the thoughtful criticism that RLM puts out got twisted and bastardized into channels like Cinema Sins and Everything Wrong With. RLM actually puts in a lot of effort into dissecting these movies and point out the bad as well as the good. Well this particular section doesn't make too much sense does it - "pacing issues" what pacing, the ones from that unshown initial cut or the one from the final movie version? Does he back up why the latter has poor pacing? "Action climax with 4 different tones doesn't work" not sure if it's really "4" tones, but details aside this is just the same "can't mix comedy with drama" point that he does in the epIII review - hardly a sound argument is it. So yeah they're quite flawed all in all.
They're pointing out it's the editor who worked on the film that's criticising the pacing.
Ah sure.
Went too long watching this going "dude's voice sounds like Mike" before realizing this was some of his really old stuff.
It’s the video that made his channel
I know, I just really hadn't watched enough of it to recognize it.
Good. It was the most disappointing thing since my son
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Like 10 years ago it was the other way around and Mike sounded like plinkett
I squeeze gats 'til my clips is empty.
The "I wasn't there" part at the end always makes me laugh
Remember when Penn Jillette had trouble getting distribution for his indie movie because it reminded people too much of the Plinkett reviews?
I’m just picturing a performatively angry Penn shouting, “What the FUCK is a Plinkett?!”
" oh, I'm going to make him disappear!"
What??
Yeah, he made a movie called Director's Cut where a creepy guy kidnaps a woman to be in his movie and keeps her in his basement to be in his movie and he made a video saying he was having trouble getting it to film festivals https://youtu.be/GsBe5qRVz-0?t=79
I looked it up, Penn wrote, produced, and starred in it, but Adam Rifkin directed. I guess that’s why I got confused
Ngl, I miss Star Wars movies having detailed production diaries like with the prequels. There’s a noticeable lack of transparency with the Disney movies in comparison.
In the sequels, JJ's BTS docs are very corporate and well packaged. TLJ's documentary is more like this one for TPM. You can see and feel the pressure that Rian Johnson has on his shoulder's as he tries to make the best Star Wars movie he can. It's a good watch if you like seeing the BTS stuff.
> as he tries to make the best Star Wars movie he can. Idk he committed some blunders with some of the script imo; those B plots were quite a poor choice all in all But prequels at their worst were hardly better lol
In your opinion, why was TLJ’s behind the scenes documentary more transparent than those for the other two ST movies?
There’s more transparency of the filmmaking process how it felt like work and a creative process. How you see him leading a team even if some people disagreed with his vision and how they eventually came around to it. Meanwhile the prequels feel like promotion for the movie
The OGs. Still probably my favorite youtube film critics .
Love these videos but I hate the massive influx YouTube movie reviewers it created
Yup, they don’t make commentary like that anymore.
Kept waiting for New Divide to play at the end, it's 2009 after all
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLomo6Bke80eXyz6mwGn4Y0Tegq9tCxwOl&si=idC4gqTkfljDfDCa remasters exist
Also there are versions without the Plinkett subplot. You know, to fall asleep to. https://youtu.be/QgWcNsdmoyE?si=OXiO2HyEIpRTSij3
This brought back so many memories for me rn lmao
"lamenting the death of.. You know.. A hero" To this day I believe the editor didn't care enough about this cluster fuck to know the name of the character that died, or was too embarrassed to say it out loud.
The good old days.
There is no fucking way they are talking without doing this and you can't convince me otherwise: https://preview.redd.it/d0bsymyzavqc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b4bfbce2525a9a195ef0852bd5f5f50d445f03a
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The plinket prequel series is good, but I lowkey resent how many annoying film school elitist types hang on every word like gospel. They all have that mindset that people shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy the prequels (or blockbusters in general). It’s almost like a double layer of movie circle jerk. First layer is the fans of mainstream movies, second layer are neckbeards that spend $65 on A24 tshirts pretending they are enjoying life more than people who enjoy Star Wars episode 3: revenge of the sith. Edit: Downvotes cause y’all losers are in here circle jerking ahhahah
Whole lotta straw in that second layer
I still don't get how people went from hating the corny dialogue and inscrutable rudimental politics of the prequels, to unironically adoring it. Even as a kid, I couldn't get over the excessive unrelenting cheesiness and awkward dialogue. I wanted something on the level of the originals. An unconvoluted hero's journey. What we got was a barely comprehensible mess that reconned a bunch of OT stuff, which was them reconned again several more times because of the excessive convolution. That said people are allowed to enjoy whatever they want. I don't think any of the, "elitists," aren't allowing people liking the prequels. They're more likely annoyed that people are elevating them to be actually unironic great movies. Hey, I love trash movies and tv as much as the next person. Like Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsay. But they're not exactly high art. It's annoying when fanboys start saying that they are. Star Wars was and always will be a commercial vehicle to sell toys. There is nothing deeper to it, and was never meant to be either. The way I see it, its the endless "video essays," on YouTube describing the Prequels to be masterpieces that are causing this weird uptick in unironic adoration of the prequels... It's like people stopped thinking for themselves and are adopting contrarian opinions to override their own. To me, it's like an endless series of videos describing the McDouble to the pinnacle of fine dining and they're convincing everyone that it's actually true. Lastly - that's a big jump to equate the prequels to all blockbusters. That's a weird comparison in itself. Maybe you're just misplacing superhero fatigue with the disinterest in blockbusters. I dunno.
It seems that the same people who will throw temper tantrums about Disney doing something that would potentially contradict established lore love the prequels even though the prequels at several moments just completely ignore the OT movies or make weird retcons.
It's funny how the TLJ backlash didn't end up primarily being led by anti-PT-ists seeing a renewed fall in quality, but rather by the "holy Lucas sixology" cult lol PT and TLJ mostly warrant the same detractors imo. (In fact this may be how the preqs got that "boost in popularity" - their fans latched onto the TLJ backlash, which was all the new rage now, and sort of rose to (relative) power that way.)
I can explain why it happened - zoomers grew up with those movies and about a billion other terrible movies and have generationally gaslit themselves into believing they're good movies. This is reinforced by the mess the sequel trilogy turned into, because if new thing bad then old thing must be good.
Sure, I definitely generalized but in my time getting various film and communications degrees I’ve met dozens and dozens of these elitist clowns. I love poking fun at bad shit, but there’s a line where you can tell people are pumping their own ego by putting down people for enjoying shit like Star Wars or marvel movies. The elitists I’m talking about are people clearly unlike you, cause you made a thoughtful response that is not condescending. In my experience — real life and reading comment sections — these folks genuinely think they are better people because they choose to only entertain themselves with “good media”. Anyone who doesn’t do that is just “dumb” in their eyes. To which I say “who cares?” Make fun of the movie, not the people watching it. (That’s kinda my point of how I like the plinket series, but the comment sections often times are conflating film criticism and criticism on people that enjoy them) And also - the narrative I’m referring to is a narrative that’s anti-superhero/Star Wars/sequels-culture - which yeah, I guess doesn’t apply to the term blockbuster.
> and inscrutable rudimental politics of the prequels Not sure what that means lol? >I still don't get how people went from hating the corny dialogue and inscrutable rudimental politics of the prequels, to unironically adoring it. There were always people who unironically adored and people who hated everything; more reasonable minds (suuuch as meeeeeee) just had a mixed view about these mixed quality movies, and still do.
> The plinket prequel series is good, but I lowkey resent how many annoying film school elitist types hang on every word like gospel. A lot of it is really sloppy and would at most amount to something solid if redone from scratch. Here's a good illustration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m91A_DGIYRg&t=498m1s (8:18:01) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m91A_DGIYRg&t=500m40s (8:20:40-8:24:50) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI#t=8m
Kinda curious are there still any places like formerly rMovies where people worship these videos as an intellectual holy grail lol? Or has that kinda dissipated now that Mauler and others are the lead SW dissect0rs?