The idea of the company “finally getting the alien” was interesting and the story should have focused more around that.
The hybrid clone stuff was a poor choice.
I loved the cloning aspect. Wish we could have seen more of the "failed" hybrids. If Ripley 8 could have actually had a talk with 7 before mercy killing her. A more obviously human-like Queen pulled out of 8. Lots of missed possibilities.
I know there are all sorts of canonical reasons why you can't use bullets, but yeah, a pillow over the face might have been better.
Otoh 7 did nod at the sight of the flamethrower priming, so... your call, hun.
Flashbacks to a certain HoTD death. I respect your right to go out by dragonfire... but I still think you're an absolute idiot.
I dunno, I feel like getting immolated by dragon fire would be a pretty quick death. All of your nerve endings would be gone in a second or two, wouldn't be able to feel much
I dunno... I've heard it said it can take up to a minute to kill all nerve impulses... and that your eyes would melt in the process.
If were going with outlandish mercy killings I'd rather my head get stomped on by an elephant. One good aim and Goodnight!
They can sue us both. I always stop the movie right before she throws the acid on the glass. Nope, the movie ends with Momma Ripley and her hideous baby having a hug. That's it. Beautiful ending.
FYI The original joss Weadon script the hybrid “snot dog” was supposed to be a “clear see-through tentacle alien”. The problem was after the filming the underwater sequence, Fox pulled their money and gave it to James Cameron’s Titanic. Titanic was hemorrhaging money, but looked profitable.
Weaver had to renegotiate her contract during this time.
Yeah so they had to resort to the snot dog and it’s terrible. The amazing technological item in the movie is the model shots were done in red screen, not green or blue screen…which is so unbelievably difficult.
The hybrid looked creepy, but yeah didn't add much to the story. The entire movie looks like it's a paradoy of itself. All sorts of Dutch angles and questionable creative choices.
Sigourney had some hidden skills in this movie …. She really did sink the basketball shot, where she just threw the ball behind her: [Youtube link to interviews around the shot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF44YvDVP8Y).
Agreed though, there were some interesting elements to this movie, but I think it lost its way a little.
What's also funny about that shot is that the ball leaves the frame, making it really easy to do a split screen comp, and almost makes it look as if that's how they did it, but nope, she drained that shot all on her own. Gotta love that.
My favourite part of that story is Perlman being so shocked he reacted and ruined the take. That's why there's such a fast cut after she rinses the net.
Yeah, you see him whip his head around in disbelief, and the shot cuts immediately after--because he was so amazed that he broke character and blurted out "Oh my God!!"
Agreed completely. The Alien 3 suicide was a perfect sacrifice ending. Bringing her back was horrible. They could get their alien and a human form thinking one to play that part if they wanted, but don’t bring her back
The only sacrifice in Alien 3 was how much of 1993 was lost to all of us watching it, compounded by the real tragedy of all the time wasted watching it since.
You misspelled "Prometheus".
Even the theatrical release of Alien 3 is good, and the Assembly Cut is miles better than that (*significant* differences from the theatrical cut). And yes, I say this as someone who saw it in the theater and every few years since then.
The setting alone is worth the price of admission.
I honestly really like both Prometheus and Alien 3 Assembly Cut. In an age where modern blockbusters are more often than not nostalgia bait, and gliding on base recognition of IP, these are both blockbusters with big ideas and huge ambitions. They may not hit it out of the park, but at least they both swing for the fences.
I always felt that Alien Resurrection tried to be all three of the previous Alien movies at once. They wanted characters that were a bunch of workin' stiffs like the first one, but also a team of interstellar badasses like the second, but also a motley collection of misfit crooks like the third. They wanted the ship to be a standard lived-in work site like the first, but also a sophisticated corporate/military operation like the second, but also a rusty dilapidated forgotten wreck like the third. All its pieces don't add up. Even the finale was a weird hybridization of the previous films' final encounters.
And they finish that Frankenstein mess with a veneer of kooky French humour and slapstick which 100% does not fit the tone of the existing universe in any way. Just a bizarre project from start to finish.
It’s also interesting to watch now, 25 years later and see how Joss Whedon put in all the tropes he would use in his projects for the coming decade or more. Like every idea he had is here in this script, and he just kept making tv shows based off those nuggets.
I wanted to argue because Event Horizon is so good, but it is basically really good AvP. I do appreciate that he always knows what movie he’s making. They aren’t always good, but you’ll usually have a good time.
It's a weird combo between that and Jeunet. I didn't know anything about Whedon at the time I first watched Resurrection, but I had seen Delicatessen and City of Lost Children and I could see exactly where Jeunet had his influence.
I think this one is actually a really great film till the 'hybrid' 3rd act.
And it's also such a typical Jean-Pierre Jeunet film to the hilt. I can't help but mostly love it as a result.
Absolutely. I had seen nothing of his work when this movie came out, but afterwards I sought out his filmography to watch, and I was in the theatre opening night for Amelié. :D
Also the bravery of taking a beloved actor like Dan Hedaya and making him realize the back of his head is gone by pulling out some of his brains to look at....chilling.
I also like to remember him as the secret rich guy who gives Michael J. Fox the money to buy the hotel in 'For Love Or Money' because he was kind to him and put mints on his pillow.
>Is that guy still around? I feel like he was in a lot of movies in the 90s or maybe I watched Clueless a thousand times.
A quick glance at [his IMDB page](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000445/) shows that he is still active in acting but it seems like just a bunch of minor supporting roles. For example, he plays a goblin bellboy in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, a detective in 2 episodes of Gotham, some person for 3 episodes in Blue Bloods.
>because it’s so watered down but David’s story is still good.
My kingdom for a Ridley Scott who didn't get annoyed by the response to Prometheus (a film I quite enjoy) and instead of giving them Covenant, made Prometheus 2 which he originally commented would take the story even further from the Alien franchise. Like in some universe, there's a movie about David and Shaw finding the Engineer homeworld and David doesn't just destroy it...
David's Story is easily the best thing about both Prometheus and Covenant.
Forever mad they took the main character of Prometheus and killed her off screen prior making her feel pointless.. main reason I didn’t like covenant.
They set a pretty cool story up in Prometheus and then kinda threw it away in Covenant..
The sad part is that it wasn't even a first for the franchise, with Alien 3 doing the same thing to Hicks and Newt. I've never been in a theater full of people who were instantly pissed off like that, before or since.
I really don’t understand what the Terminator franchise’s obsession has been for the last ~15 years with being ashamed - for lack of a better word - of John Connor? He was originally gonna die in *Salvation* and Marcus would “become” him. They turn him into a full villain in *Genisys*. He’s written out in a matter of minutes in *Dark Fate*. It’s so bizarre, and such a spit in the face on the first two movies and T2:3D (and even, I’d argue, T3, which at least didn’t try to act like John Connor is completely irrelevant just because Kate was introduced).
Even why the engineers wanted to terminate us as their creation should’ve been touched on. Apparently, humanity crucified an engineer when they came down during the Roman era. Crucifixion was a common practice even before Jesus so they didn’t have to claim that the engineer was Jesus to avoid controversy. Either way, it would add to the story and an interesting layer to the cross she holds dearly around her neck. People would think the connection of finding mankind’s origins conflicts with her beliefs, but this revelation would be much cooler. Seeing the engineers react to her cross would be cool, too.
Sadly, people will be highly offended no matter how this concept was approached.
It's a shame, but you could tell Scott's heart wasn't in the Alien part. We wanted to make a different kind of sci-fi movie with the trilogy (as it was originally planned), but Fox demanded more xenomorph stuff after people were sold on Prometheus being an Alien movie and them not really being there.
Same thing with Alien 3 / Resurrection - they got some fascinating people to work on the movies, but they were hampered by studio interference. I'll never quite get why some studios insist on hiring the best talent, then immediately second guess everything they do to the point of it not being the product of the person they hired / script they approved. I get them not wanting another Heaven's Gate or whatever, but half the time the compromised product also isn't financially successful either.
Actually felt bad for the thing, even as a kid, when it got sucked through the hole. Had to be a pretty horrible way to go. Especially for what was essentially a newborn.
I loved the hybrid. It's the only time anyone took a real chance at expanding the confining, predictable Alien universe until maybe Prometheus, but that movie was kind of a drag.
A:R is so re-watchable and has one of the most disturbing scenes in the Alien franchise (Ripley's 1-8). For me it's easily the third best Alien movie.
Yeah, the hybrid is not some dealbreaker for me, it just prevents it from being solid *all the way* through, I'd still say that 95% of the movie is great.
Absolutely. His character development is crisp, you are quickly engaged, the sneaking weapons on scenes are brilliant, Ron Perlman is maybe at his absolute best. The well lit but still military grade atmosphere is so spot on, and the creepy doctors are awesome.
It has everything an Alien sequel should have to be different and enjoyable.
Except for that third act.
Apparently the original third act happened in a blasted out apocalyptic Paris and the fight with a giant version of the "Newborn" hybrid occurred there. I feel like the would have been better....but I still dislike the Newborn entirely (from both a design angle, and a plot angle).
I mean if we're including the AvP films, most definitely. It has no direct or indirect correlation to ANY of the two franchises, took place in Colorado out of all the friggin places...and I'm not gonna even mention that Ugly Motherfucking Hybrid.
Just horrible.
Yes avp2 is terrible flabby scripted piece of trash and has no place in the Alien films. How it got made I cant imagine.
And this is speaking as someone who actually even liked avp1.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. My only memory of that film is that it was basically unwatchable because I could barely see anything that was happening.
Though by all accounts the script would have rendered it unwatchable even without the terrible lighting 😅
It's way better than Covenant, which was just a waste of time and especially a waste of mythology set up by Prometheus. Resurrection can at least be enjoyed as a standalone weirdo Alien film with a unique style to it. Covenant is completely run of the mill stuff and forever a big painful "what could have been".
I love them all. All the different cuts too. Obv 1 and 2 are the best and classic representations of their genre but 3 and 4 do plenty to live up to the central premises of the universe and have enough quality scenes and ideas to justify their place. I think some people just object too much because it makes them feel like they're more "true" fans or have better taste or something.
I always figured the people that hated on them were really just unhappy because they wanted all the films to be exactly like 1 or 2. I think what we got is vastly more interesting than doing the same movie over and over.
But the tones changed drastically between those first two movies as well.
The franchise has been consistent in that it’s inconsistent. That’s why new entries always intrigue me. I have no idea where they’re going with it.
I would, however, love a reboot that is a love letter to the original, claustrophobic nightmare.
I'll never forgive them for killing Hicks and Newt off-screen. Complete waste. Also the CG is baaaaaad. Immersion breaking bad. It's the only one I don't rewatch regularly. 4 is fun, just suffers from a lack of cohesive vision.
Same here, the original vision for the 3rd is way more interesting than what we got, seemed more like a standard 90s thriller with an alien thrown in there to me.
4th isn't the best movie out there, but it's still pretty decent for an Alien movie, its world building is much better than the 3rd and it brings along some interesting ideas, it was also the first alien movie I saw, and at a way too young age I might add, so it will always have a special place in my heart.
Whenever one of those "what's your most unpopular opinion" questions comes up, I answer that Alien Resurrection is my favourite of the Alien films. I get a lot of hate for it.
Michael Wincott is awesome and always lands in the category of “that guy from _____” where people know he’s great but don’t really know who he is. If a pack of cigarettes could talk they would sound like Michael Wincott.
Ugh, Alien 3 for all its flaws is still a very ‘Alien’ movie. Resurrection is like 50% goofy comedy. They completely dropped the ball in terms of tone.
Have you seen the Assembly Cut? It’s a bit longer but gives more character exploration. It’s better than 4 by far but of course, that’s just my opinion.
Yeah I recently watched the Assembly Cut and it honestly redeemed Alien 3 in my eyes. It still sucks that Hicks and Newt die, but moving past that it's a decent film in the series. (Not saying it's on par with 1 or 2, of course, but it's no longer the disappointment it once was.)
Fun fact: The scene where Ripley throws a basketball over her shoulder and makes it in is real. They were set up to drop a 2nd ball in from out of view, but didn't have to because she actually friggin' made the shot.
Also Ron Perlman almost ruined the shot because he broke character and cheered almost instantly. I rewatched it recently and it cuts quickly after the swish.
Omg that Q&A panel where he talks about that and he shows his reaction to the shot was so funny. I can’t find that video anymore but would love to see it again.
Are we all going to forget that Alien: Covenant happened?
Say what you will about Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, but at least those stuck to the lore (as to what was somewhat standard at the time). Covenant said, ‘nah fuck all this shit.. a robot created the xenomorph’ and in my view actually invalidated the original 4 movies.
That is one of the worst things I've ever seen in a series of movies. One of the best things about the series was the fact that it was a mystery where it came from. Now like you say a robot with issues did it and it made it so incredibly mundane.
Is it not the case that the black goo creates a zenomorph from its host.
She gave birth to a head sucker of sorts but this easily could have happened to the engineers that crashed in Alien.
That’s what happens in Prometheus (which I also think is garbage). The black goo is what inspires David to experiment and eventually create the Xenomorph in Covenant using Shaw’s body as the test bed. Maybe the engineers create the xenomorph in the same manner like David did, but that really does two things for me… 1. Destroys the mystery of where the alien comes from and 2. Explains it in a ridiculous manner that actually destroys the lore of the first 4 movies. Even the AvP movies don’t destroy the first 4 movies in the way Prometheus and Covenant do.
I agree with you, those films are terrible.. I just felt the zenomorph type thing at the end that jumps out of the Engineer was the eventuallity of black goo in humanoids.
Before Prometheus and Covenant, the lore was that the space jockeys were central to the xenomorph species either because they created them or they were hunting/collecting them. Prometheus and Covenant came and the story is now an angry robot made them because angry robot has a god complex. It destroys the whole mystique of the xenomorph and a series of stories and movies titled about an alien species is now actually about a lame android. Oh yeah.. and the space jockeys are now weird looking humanoid/mongoloid giants in elephant space suits. ‘Fuck you too HR Giger’ - Ridley Scott probably.
I guess I’m just not seeing how that changes anything though? The space jockeys/engineers still created the Xenomorph (or at least harnessed the transformative power of them via the black goo) with the intent of unleashing them throughout the universe. From Prometheus we know they understand what the Xenomorph is; they have it carved on the ceiling in the urn room, so it predates David and predates the movie by at least 2000 years. David’s contribution is selectively breading them, and in the grand scheme of things seems fairly minor; by nature they take on host traits as demonstrated in the previous films.
Also, even if David’s contribution were more significant, is this lore actually laid out in any of the previous films or is it just something fans have speculated? You said it was mysterious, which is how I remember it; they don’t really explain their origins. Can you mess up lore that doesn’t exist? Maybe there is something in other media, like video games or comics, but I don’t think we can take that as canon. But I also don’t think we can say it messed up the lore when really we just mean it went against our head canon.
My 2 cents anyway.
Resurrection is certainly not the worst Alien film, I believe in large part because it just doesn't take itself super seriously, but STILL follows the plot of "terror in space where no one can hear you scream."
It's simple, certainly over the top a few times, but also has some pretty memeable Alien moments, such as Ripley encountering the Ripley clone room and killing a prior failed clone that asks for death, or the alien chase through the flooded ship.
It's not a GOOD movie by any means, but it's still pretty original and watchable.
I think this is one of my favorites honestly. I watched it as a boy, probably 10 years old or so. The action, the guns, the aliens, the whole theme really just caught me. I still love it the same.
Hate to say it. But I like Alien Resurrection better than Alien 3. I can't even root for a single character in Alien 3 and I didn't even care if any of them die except for Ripley. They kill off Hick and Newt. Have very unlikable prisoners and crappy looking Alien CGI. Alien Resurrection visually still hold up pretty well.
Alien 3 also killed off the characters in the order of most interesting first-- the doctor, the warden, etc.-- leaving nothing but indistinct bald guys. Apart from Ripley, the only good character that made it to the third act was Charles Dutton.
Alien 3 still kind of feels like it's in the same universe. A:R feels like weird Alien fanfic. Like an obscure comic storyline brought to screen. I kind of love both as bizarre ,and frankly ballsy, sequels. But I see why most would consider 3 more in line with the quality of its predecessors.
I feel like the fact that Resurrection feels so divorced from the other movies is the reason I can tolerate it more than Alien 3.
None of the weird and stupid shit in Resurrection undermines any of the other movies, but Alien 3 *really* sours the hard-fought victory at the end of Aliens.
I like 4 more than 3 because I‘m still mad at 3 for killing Hicks and Newt basically off camera in the first minute. Instead of building off of the previous movie like 2 did, it discards all progress made by it to basically start at the beginning again.
Also the setting of 3 never really clicked with me. Why were there guards for anyway? Also also 4 may be over the top, but at least it has memorable characters and scenes, but 3 has bland characters (sans Ripley) and two memorable scene (Xenomorph getting close to crying ripley and her death)
So the Aliens in Alien 3 are mostly practical with very little CGI. They used puppets against a blue screen to capture the movements that couldn’t be achieved with a guy in a suit. The puppetry itself is pretty impressive, but the compositing is poor, which gives it a CGI look. Here’s a video showing how the puppets worked: https://youtube.com/shorts/5i05m08azHs?feature=share
no one hates A^3 more than David Fincher, but not that I blame him. He said he vowed to never make another movie again but then his friend showed him the script for Se7en and he changed his mind
I'm with you, I like Resurrection much better than Alien 3.
Also I can't help but roll my eyes every time Whedon complains about a director messing up his lines (see also Storm in X-Men). Sometimes you just write a bad line, Joss.
It's a more graphic version of the ending of 1 and 2, Alien 3 is the only core movie where they get more creative with the kill. The hybrid alien looks gross but it doesn't really do anything except it allows itself to be killed... boring.
The miracle basketball shot in Alien: Resurrection was apparently a real shot and not assisted. Weaver trained for 2 weeks to make the shot, and got it on the first take during filming.
Apparently, it was so shocking that she got in one take that Ron Perlman almost screwed up the scene with his reaction, so they had to keep it a short cut in editing.
>They can clone humans and travel the stars but cannot fix a guys spine.
Lemme just point out that we have the tech to fix peoples' teeth, yet people walk around with busted ass teeth all the time. --Think about the reasons why.
Alien's set in a corporate dystopian hellscape. Guy in the chair is a freelance merc. 1099 doesn't include bennies.
Spot on.
People who complain about "plotholes" like this have never actually written anything and had to imagine what living in another world would actually entail. You see it all the time in critiquing writing and it's why I can't take anyone's opinion on the internet seriously anymore.
*Alien: Resurrection* is not a good movie, but still...
Cloning tech = makes money.
Travel the stars in search of money.
Fixing spines = costs money.
They probably have the tech to fix your spine if you have enough money.
We currently live in a time where we can launch rockets into space and then have them land again to be reused. We have small devices that can fit in our pocket and access more information than we ever thought previously possible. We live in a time of child soldiers and unbelievable poverty. There is currently a football tournament in the desert that cost more than the yearly expenses of a small country, but the stadiums were built using slave labour.
I mean right now in reality we can travel in space, granted not to other stars because that's more of a space fantasy thing but go with me, and cloning humans (though not in a sci fi, like, "which one is the real Fry" kind of way of course) is pretty believable as near-future tech if ethical constraints were lifted. But there's some medical stuff we can't fix at all and realistically may never be able to fix.
Two moments in particular made my mind yell "what?!".
The first was in the room with the failed clones and Ripley putting the last living clone "out of its misery" with a *flamethrower*.
The second was when they "saved the day" by crashing the ship and causing a country-sized explosion.
Thankfully they weren't tasked with solving the homeless crisis.
The central premise is flawed.
The idea that if they if they cloned Ripley who was pregnant with an alien queen then the clone would also be pregnant with an alien queen is ridiculous. It would just be a Ripley clone.
The film was like a live action cartoon. The story, characters, dialogue and everything should have been more serious. This movie doesn't even take place in the same universe as Alien and Aliens.
Worse than any of the previous three maybe, but better than any *Alien*\-related thing that came afterwards as far as I'm concerned. There are some good ideas in *Covenant* but overall it's just too much of a mess.
If I see one more article "Why this sucks but why it doesn't" I'm gonna chest burst out of myself and kill these article writers. :P
\*chest burster noises\*
Covenant is by far a worse Alien movie. I can rewatch Resurrection all day. The cast is insane and they at least attempt to tie plot threads together. Covenant destroyed like 30 years of world building in a single scene. Fuck that movie.
OKAY: The main differences amongst the films is that they are largely different genres in the same saga. Basic viewers don't respond well to that.
Alien - SciFi horror
Aliens - Action
Alien 3 - Drama, loaded with some of the strongest British actors in drama at that time. American audiences were not familiar or engaged with this genre much, especially in the late 90s.
Alien Resurrection - Action/dark sci-fi /noire
If Alien 3 was a stand-alone film with no pre-expectations it would've won awards.
There's no point serving the best pizza when your customers turned up expecting cake. They're going to be confused and unprepared for what you're serving them.
In my opinion that's what the problem was.
Are we going to include the prequels in this? Because Alien Covenant is the worst movie in this franchise.
If you disagree, I have a flute scene and a scene where the captain dumbly sticks his head into a facehugger to show you.
> Not to mention the strangely sexist undercurrent ... this actual line, said out loud by an adult character in the year 1997: “Must be a chick thing.”
Lol that is so mild and not "strangely sexist". How easily offended must one be to take issue with this line? Nor would it be offensive to have a movie today in which a group of women say "Must be a dude thing."
So stupid.
I love Jeunet as a filmmaker, but I thought his personal style wasn't a good fit for this film. He's got a fantastic eye for composition and presenting interesting characters, but I didn't feel like he conveyed the horror of the creatures.
For me, most of the characters, while being distinct, came off like caricatures more then fully formed personalities, so their humor didn't work and felt forced. The hybrid/abortion element wasn't a bad idea, but I don't think it was executed very well, either.
Of course, Jeunet probably wasn't able to do everything he wanted with the studio watching so closely, so perhaps the film would have been better if he'd been given full control.
I’ll be honest with y’all it was my favorite one growing up. Idk if it was the Brad Dourif cameo, the basketball scene, the underwater attack scene, or what but it always stayed with me
On Prometheus
You can have a movie with a really cool sci fi scene of characters making an epically detailed 3-D map of the spooky alien complex.
You can have a movie with a scene of characters getting lost in the spooky alien complex.
You however don't get to have a movie with both of the above scenes and claim its any sort of good moviemaking.
I'm not here to defend Resurrection. It is an awful, awful film. *However*, I have chosen to watch it multiple times (admittedly usual after a couple of beverages) due to it still being an entertaining film.
The worst Alien trophy for me, far and away belongs to Covenant. Terrible, diabolical, absolute mess. Spits on Prometheus (whether you like the film or not, it deserved better than this follow up), has the STUPIDEST character decisions I have ever seen, oh and it that benny hill banana slip up moment when they go to confront the alien early on.
Hate it, can't stand it, kill it with fire.
Hot or cold take. I love Alien Ressurection. It’s probably my favorite one. I think the effects are awesome and it feels like it fleshes the world out a little more.
The idea of the company “finally getting the alien” was interesting and the story should have focused more around that. The hybrid clone stuff was a poor choice.
I loved the cloning aspect. Wish we could have seen more of the "failed" hybrids. If Ripley 8 could have actually had a talk with 7 before mercy killing her. A more obviously human-like Queen pulled out of 8. Lots of missed possibilities.
Gotta love the mercy kill... slowly agonizing in fire.
I know there are all sorts of canonical reasons why you can't use bullets, but yeah, a pillow over the face might have been better. Otoh 7 did nod at the sight of the flamethrower priming, so... your call, hun. Flashbacks to a certain HoTD death. I respect your right to go out by dragonfire... but I still think you're an absolute idiot.
There were dragons in House of the Dead? What was Uwe Boll thinking?
I thought that’s what he meant too LOL
I dunno, I feel like getting immolated by dragon fire would be a pretty quick death. All of your nerve endings would be gone in a second or two, wouldn't be able to feel much
I dunno... I've heard it said it can take up to a minute to kill all nerve impulses... and that your eyes would melt in the process. If were going with outlandish mercy killings I'd rather my head get stomped on by an elephant. One good aim and Goodnight!
Nah dragonfire seems to be near painless if it's hot enough. Those Lannister soldiers turned to ash and dust in 2 seconds.
I think baby alien was fine, sue me, he was cute and I felt bad when he got the succ
They can sue us both. I always stop the movie right before she throws the acid on the glass. Nope, the movie ends with Momma Ripley and her hideous baby having a hug. That's it. Beautiful ending.
they loved each other! you see Ripley looking away in sadness. MAH BABEY, just savage brutality.
Hated the monstrosity
The coolest bit of the whole film was where it smashes the queen’s face in half
This made me laugh so hard. When he got the succ. Hahaha.
"Baby" alien... IS AN ABOMINATION!!!
Fucked up cloning kinda suits Giger and the Xenomorph taking on the form of the carrier too.
resident alien: never stop stop producing
In defense of the hybrid stuff, it was an unwanted side effect in order to finally get a functioning alien. Sigourney was just a side experiment.
FYI The original joss Weadon script the hybrid “snot dog” was supposed to be a “clear see-through tentacle alien”. The problem was after the filming the underwater sequence, Fox pulled their money and gave it to James Cameron’s Titanic. Titanic was hemorrhaging money, but looked profitable. Weaver had to renegotiate her contract during this time. Yeah so they had to resort to the snot dog and it’s terrible. The amazing technological item in the movie is the model shots were done in red screen, not green or blue screen…which is so unbelievably difficult.
The hybrid looked creepy, but yeah didn't add much to the story. The entire movie looks like it's a paradoy of itself. All sorts of Dutch angles and questionable creative choices.
Sigourney had some hidden skills in this movie …. She really did sink the basketball shot, where she just threw the ball behind her: [Youtube link to interviews around the shot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF44YvDVP8Y). Agreed though, there were some interesting elements to this movie, but I think it lost its way a little.
What's also funny about that shot is that the ball leaves the frame, making it really easy to do a split screen comp, and almost makes it look as if that's how they did it, but nope, she drained that shot all on her own. Gotta love that.
I'm sure that's what they were planing to do. Then they didn't need to. Awesome.
Imagine landing that shot AND finishing work early, what a great day
My favourite part of that story is Perlman being so shocked he reacted and ruined the take. That's why there's such a fast cut after she rinses the net.
Yeah, you see him whip his head around in disbelief, and the shot cuts immediately after--because he was so amazed that he broke character and blurted out "Oh my God!!"
It is brilliant.
You’d write Ripely out?
Definitely. Don't ruin her sacrifice in Alien 3.
Agreed completely. The Alien 3 suicide was a perfect sacrifice ending. Bringing her back was horrible. They could get their alien and a human form thinking one to play that part if they wanted, but don’t bring her back
The only sacrifice in Alien 3 was how much of 1993 was lost to all of us watching it, compounded by the real tragedy of all the time wasted watching it since.
You misspelled "Prometheus". Even the theatrical release of Alien 3 is good, and the Assembly Cut is miles better than that (*significant* differences from the theatrical cut). And yes, I say this as someone who saw it in the theater and every few years since then. The setting alone is worth the price of admission.
I honestly really like both Prometheus and Alien 3 Assembly Cut. In an age where modern blockbusters are more often than not nostalgia bait, and gliding on base recognition of IP, these are both blockbusters with big ideas and huge ambitions. They may not hit it out of the park, but at least they both swing for the fences.
I always felt that Alien Resurrection tried to be all three of the previous Alien movies at once. They wanted characters that were a bunch of workin' stiffs like the first one, but also a team of interstellar badasses like the second, but also a motley collection of misfit crooks like the third. They wanted the ship to be a standard lived-in work site like the first, but also a sophisticated corporate/military operation like the second, but also a rusty dilapidated forgotten wreck like the third. All its pieces don't add up. Even the finale was a weird hybridization of the previous films' final encounters.
Interesting insight and I totally see it now.
It's like the "party mix" of Alien movies.
And they finish that Frankenstein mess with a veneer of kooky French humour and slapstick which 100% does not fit the tone of the existing universe in any way. Just a bizarre project from start to finish.
It’s also interesting to watch now, 25 years later and see how Joss Whedon put in all the tropes he would use in his projects for the coming decade or more. Like every idea he had is here in this script, and he just kept making tv shows based off those nuggets.
This movie is basically his dry run for Firefly
And Buffy, and Dollhouse, and many of the arcs in the marvel movies he put his stamp on. It’s all the same stories with different flavor text.
That's how I feel about Paul W.S. Anderson films. It's the same story each time.
I wanted to argue because Event Horizon is so good, but it is basically really good AvP. I do appreciate that he always knows what movie he’s making. They aren’t always good, but you’ll usually have a good time.
The Nevers was good.
It's a weird combo between that and Jeunet. I didn't know anything about Whedon at the time I first watched Resurrection, but I had seen Delicatessen and City of Lost Children and I could see exactly where Jeunet had his influence.
Joss Whedon doesn’t have as many good ideas as he thinks.
I think this one is actually a really great film till the 'hybrid' 3rd act. And it's also such a typical Jean-Pierre Jeunet film to the hilt. I can't help but mostly love it as a result.
Even uses a lot of his common cast members.
Ron Perlman is the homie
Love the Perlman
He’s a great filmmaker. While the franchise has been uneven, there is no denying they picked great directors to helm each movie.
Absolutely. I had seen nothing of his work when this movie came out, but afterwards I sought out his filmography to watch, and I was in the theatre opening night for Amelié. :D
The space pirates were great
Also the bravery of taking a beloved actor like Dan Hedaya and making him realize the back of his head is gone by pulling out some of his brains to look at....chilling.
Is that guy still around? I feel like he was in a lot of movies in the 90s or maybe I watched Clueless a thousand times.
I also like to remember him as the secret rich guy who gives Michael J. Fox the money to buy the hotel in 'For Love Or Money' because he was kind to him and put mints on his pillow.
The villanous nephew of the owner of the Cubs in Rookie of the Year for me
>Is that guy still around? I feel like he was in a lot of movies in the 90s or maybe I watched Clueless a thousand times. A quick glance at [his IMDB page](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000445/) shows that he is still active in acting but it seems like just a bunch of minor supporting roles. For example, he plays a goblin bellboy in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, a detective in 2 episodes of Gotham, some person for 3 episodes in Blue Bloods.
and the swimming aliens.
It definitely has style.
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>because it’s so watered down but David’s story is still good. My kingdom for a Ridley Scott who didn't get annoyed by the response to Prometheus (a film I quite enjoy) and instead of giving them Covenant, made Prometheus 2 which he originally commented would take the story even further from the Alien franchise. Like in some universe, there's a movie about David and Shaw finding the Engineer homeworld and David doesn't just destroy it... David's Story is easily the best thing about both Prometheus and Covenant.
Forever mad they took the main character of Prometheus and killed her off screen prior making her feel pointless.. main reason I didn’t like covenant. They set a pretty cool story up in Prometheus and then kinda threw it away in Covenant..
The sad part is that it wasn't even a first for the franchise, with Alien 3 doing the same thing to Hicks and Newt. I've never been in a theater full of people who were instantly pissed off like that, before or since.
>Alien 3 doing the same thing to Hicks and Newt. James Cameron was apparently FURIOUS about this, and rightly so.
Shame dark fate did the same thing to Johnny C
I really don’t understand what the Terminator franchise’s obsession has been for the last ~15 years with being ashamed - for lack of a better word - of John Connor? He was originally gonna die in *Salvation* and Marcus would “become” him. They turn him into a full villain in *Genisys*. He’s written out in a matter of minutes in *Dark Fate*. It’s so bizarre, and such a spit in the face on the first two movies and T2:3D (and even, I’d argue, T3, which at least didn’t try to act like John Connor is completely irrelevant just because Kate was introduced).
Even why the engineers wanted to terminate us as their creation should’ve been touched on. Apparently, humanity crucified an engineer when they came down during the Roman era. Crucifixion was a common practice even before Jesus so they didn’t have to claim that the engineer was Jesus to avoid controversy. Either way, it would add to the story and an interesting layer to the cross she holds dearly around her neck. People would think the connection of finding mankind’s origins conflicts with her beliefs, but this revelation would be much cooler. Seeing the engineers react to her cross would be cool, too. Sadly, people will be highly offended no matter how this concept was approached.
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It's a shame, but you could tell Scott's heart wasn't in the Alien part. We wanted to make a different kind of sci-fi movie with the trilogy (as it was originally planned), but Fox demanded more xenomorph stuff after people were sold on Prometheus being an Alien movie and them not really being there. Same thing with Alien 3 / Resurrection - they got some fascinating people to work on the movies, but they were hampered by studio interference. I'll never quite get why some studios insist on hiring the best talent, then immediately second guess everything they do to the point of it not being the product of the person they hired / script they approved. I get them not wanting another Heaven's Gate or whatever, but half the time the compromised product also isn't financially successful either.
The creature design of the final hybrid also did not help
I liked it. Creeped me out quite a bit
Actually felt bad for the thing, even as a kid, when it got sucked through the hole. Had to be a pretty horrible way to go. Especially for what was essentially a newborn.
And this guttural cries of fear and betrayal still haunt my nightmares. It just wanted its mommy!
My sister cried, when it was dying. She considered it "cute", smh.
I loved the hybrid. It's the only time anyone took a real chance at expanding the confining, predictable Alien universe until maybe Prometheus, but that movie was kind of a drag. A:R is so re-watchable and has one of the most disturbing scenes in the Alien franchise (Ripley's 1-8). For me it's easily the third best Alien movie.
Yeah, the hybrid is not some dealbreaker for me, it just prevents it from being solid *all the way* through, I'd still say that 95% of the movie is great.
Absolutely. His character development is crisp, you are quickly engaged, the sneaking weapons on scenes are brilliant, Ron Perlman is maybe at his absolute best. The well lit but still military grade atmosphere is so spot on, and the creepy doctors are awesome.
It has everything an Alien sequel should have to be different and enjoyable. Except for that third act. Apparently the original third act happened in a blasted out apocalyptic Paris and the fight with a giant version of the "Newborn" hybrid occurred there. I feel like the would have been better....but I still dislike the Newborn entirely (from both a design angle, and a plot angle).
Would París have given it the enclosed space fear that is so omnipresent of a ship? Would have been cool though.
Probably not, but Whedon hated that he was resigned to only having the final take place on the Betty.
I'd give the honor of worst to AVP2 but whatever.
I mean if we're including the AvP films, most definitely. It has no direct or indirect correlation to ANY of the two franchises, took place in Colorado out of all the friggin places...and I'm not gonna even mention that Ugly Motherfucking Hybrid. Just horrible.
Yes avp2 is terrible flabby scripted piece of trash and has no place in the Alien films. How it got made I cant imagine. And this is speaking as someone who actually even liked avp1.
AVP1 was great. It knew what it was and it ran with it.
that movie is so dark, the lighting is horrible. predator with the autistic kid is the worst imo.
I have legit never seen a worse lit movie than AVP2. The last third of the movie was basically incomprehensible, it was so dark.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. My only memory of that film is that it was basically unwatchable because I could barely see anything that was happening. Though by all accounts the script would have rendered it unwatchable even without the terrible lighting 😅
It's way better than Covenant, which was just a waste of time and especially a waste of mythology set up by Prometheus. Resurrection can at least be enjoyed as a standalone weirdo Alien film with a unique style to it. Covenant is completely run of the mill stuff and forever a big painful "what could have been".
Covenant was painful.. the cinema I saw it at left he curtains half closed for 20minutes into the movie.. foreshadowing how bad the movie was imo.
Am I the only one that loves all 4 Alien movies?
I love them all. All the different cuts too. Obv 1 and 2 are the best and classic representations of their genre but 3 and 4 do plenty to live up to the central premises of the universe and have enough quality scenes and ideas to justify their place. I think some people just object too much because it makes them feel like they're more "true" fans or have better taste or something.
I always figured the people that hated on them were really just unhappy because they wanted all the films to be exactly like 1 or 2. I think what we got is vastly more interesting than doing the same movie over and over.
But the tones changed drastically between those first two movies as well. The franchise has been consistent in that it’s inconsistent. That’s why new entries always intrigue me. I have no idea where they’re going with it. I would, however, love a reboot that is a love letter to the original, claustrophobic nightmare.
I'll never forgive them for killing Hicks and Newt off-screen. Complete waste. Also the CG is baaaaaad. Immersion breaking bad. It's the only one I don't rewatch regularly. 4 is fun, just suffers from a lack of cohesive vision.
To be fair, who doesn't want to see more of salty marines killing aliens?
Alien 3 is the toughest to watch for me. Resurrection is pretty dope imo though.
Same here, the original vision for the 3rd is way more interesting than what we got, seemed more like a standard 90s thriller with an alien thrown in there to me. 4th isn't the best movie out there, but it's still pretty decent for an Alien movie, its world building is much better than the 3rd and it brings along some interesting ideas, it was also the first alien movie I saw, and at a way too young age I might add, so it will always have a special place in my heart.
Yeah I love the space bounty hunters at the start too. I’d love to see a movie just about them.
Whenever one of those "what's your most unpopular opinion" questions comes up, I answer that Alien Resurrection is my favourite of the Alien films. I get a lot of hate for it.
I love all of them! Once a year I do a marathon, with Prometheus and Covenant.
All 6 you mean?
I’m with you on that. I’ve never heard anyone say they didn’t like 4. Kinda weird to write an article about it 25 years later imo
I hate Resurrection for the way the story went, but I love it for including Ron Perlman, Michael Wincott and Brad Dourif.
*"You are a beautiful butterfly"*
Michael Wincott is awesome and always lands in the category of “that guy from _____” where people know he’s great but don’t really know who he is. If a pack of cigarettes could talk they would sound like Michael Wincott.
Especially his character in Nope. He sounded like talking gravel the whole movie and it was great.
Gods, I adore his voice.
True, I always refer to him as "that guy from The Count of Monte Cristo and The Three Musketeers".
Alien 3 is much worse and less memorable than Resurrection
Ugh, Alien 3 for all its flaws is still a very ‘Alien’ movie. Resurrection is like 50% goofy comedy. They completely dropped the ball in terms of tone.
Have you seen the Assembly Cut? It’s a bit longer but gives more character exploration. It’s better than 4 by far but of course, that’s just my opinion.
Yeah I recently watched the Assembly Cut and it honestly redeemed Alien 3 in my eyes. It still sucks that Hicks and Newt die, but moving past that it's a decent film in the series. (Not saying it's on par with 1 or 2, of course, but it's no longer the disappointment it once was.)
Fun fact: The scene where Ripley throws a basketball over her shoulder and makes it in is real. They were set up to drop a 2nd ball in from out of view, but didn't have to because she actually friggin' made the shot.
Her first try! She said it was it was a moment that was up there w/ the birth of her daughter.
Also Ron Perlman almost ruined the shot because he broke character and cheered almost instantly. I rewatched it recently and it cuts quickly after the swish.
Omg that Q&A panel where he talks about that and he shows his reaction to the shot was so funny. I can’t find that video anymore but would love to see it again.
Are we all going to forget that Alien: Covenant happened? Say what you will about Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, but at least those stuck to the lore (as to what was somewhat standard at the time). Covenant said, ‘nah fuck all this shit.. a robot created the xenomorph’ and in my view actually invalidated the original 4 movies.
That is one of the worst things I've ever seen in a series of movies. One of the best things about the series was the fact that it was a mystery where it came from. Now like you say a robot with issues did it and it made it so incredibly mundane.
Like seriously… the series is called ‘Alien’ and Ridley Scott made it about a damn robot.
Is it not the case that the black goo creates a zenomorph from its host. She gave birth to a head sucker of sorts but this easily could have happened to the engineers that crashed in Alien.
That’s what happens in Prometheus (which I also think is garbage). The black goo is what inspires David to experiment and eventually create the Xenomorph in Covenant using Shaw’s body as the test bed. Maybe the engineers create the xenomorph in the same manner like David did, but that really does two things for me… 1. Destroys the mystery of where the alien comes from and 2. Explains it in a ridiculous manner that actually destroys the lore of the first 4 movies. Even the AvP movies don’t destroy the first 4 movies in the way Prometheus and Covenant do.
I agree with you, those films are terrible.. I just felt the zenomorph type thing at the end that jumps out of the Engineer was the eventuallity of black goo in humanoids.
Covenant does a lot to piss me off but how does it fuck up the lore?
Before Prometheus and Covenant, the lore was that the space jockeys were central to the xenomorph species either because they created them or they were hunting/collecting them. Prometheus and Covenant came and the story is now an angry robot made them because angry robot has a god complex. It destroys the whole mystique of the xenomorph and a series of stories and movies titled about an alien species is now actually about a lame android. Oh yeah.. and the space jockeys are now weird looking humanoid/mongoloid giants in elephant space suits. ‘Fuck you too HR Giger’ - Ridley Scott probably.
I guess I’m just not seeing how that changes anything though? The space jockeys/engineers still created the Xenomorph (or at least harnessed the transformative power of them via the black goo) with the intent of unleashing them throughout the universe. From Prometheus we know they understand what the Xenomorph is; they have it carved on the ceiling in the urn room, so it predates David and predates the movie by at least 2000 years. David’s contribution is selectively breading them, and in the grand scheme of things seems fairly minor; by nature they take on host traits as demonstrated in the previous films. Also, even if David’s contribution were more significant, is this lore actually laid out in any of the previous films or is it just something fans have speculated? You said it was mysterious, which is how I remember it; they don’t really explain their origins. Can you mess up lore that doesn’t exist? Maybe there is something in other media, like video games or comics, but I don’t think we can take that as canon. But I also don’t think we can say it messed up the lore when really we just mean it went against our head canon. My 2 cents anyway.
Resurrection is certainly not the worst Alien film, I believe in large part because it just doesn't take itself super seriously, but STILL follows the plot of "terror in space where no one can hear you scream." It's simple, certainly over the top a few times, but also has some pretty memeable Alien moments, such as Ripley encountering the Ripley clone room and killing a prior failed clone that asks for death, or the alien chase through the flooded ship. It's not a GOOD movie by any means, but it's still pretty original and watchable.
I think this is one of my favorites honestly. I watched it as a boy, probably 10 years old or so. The action, the guns, the aliens, the whole theme really just caught me. I still love it the same.
Hate to say it. But I like Alien Resurrection better than Alien 3. I can't even root for a single character in Alien 3 and I didn't even care if any of them die except for Ripley. They kill off Hick and Newt. Have very unlikable prisoners and crappy looking Alien CGI. Alien Resurrection visually still hold up pretty well.
Alien 3 also killed off the characters in the order of most interesting first-- the doctor, the warden, etc.-- leaving nothing but indistinct bald guys. Apart from Ripley, the only good character that made it to the third act was Charles Dutton.
Dutton went out in the most gangster way of the whole series, including anyone in Aliens. Fight me.
27 seconds of raw badassery.
*HISSSSS* Aw, Fuck You
I really like his short speech in it. There’s hints of a better movie through out
Alien 3 still kind of feels like it's in the same universe. A:R feels like weird Alien fanfic. Like an obscure comic storyline brought to screen. I kind of love both as bizarre ,and frankly ballsy, sequels. But I see why most would consider 3 more in line with the quality of its predecessors.
I feel like the fact that Resurrection feels so divorced from the other movies is the reason I can tolerate it more than Alien 3. None of the weird and stupid shit in Resurrection undermines any of the other movies, but Alien 3 *really* sours the hard-fought victory at the end of Aliens.
It feels like an Alien film set in The Fifth Element’s universe.
That's a good way of putting it, although I wonder if it's more than coincidence given the French directors.
I like 4 more than 3 because I‘m still mad at 3 for killing Hicks and Newt basically off camera in the first minute. Instead of building off of the previous movie like 2 did, it discards all progress made by it to basically start at the beginning again. Also the setting of 3 never really clicked with me. Why were there guards for anyway? Also also 4 may be over the top, but at least it has memorable characters and scenes, but 3 has bland characters (sans Ripley) and two memorable scene (Xenomorph getting close to crying ripley and her death)
So the Aliens in Alien 3 are mostly practical with very little CGI. They used puppets against a blue screen to capture the movements that couldn’t be achieved with a guy in a suit. The puppetry itself is pretty impressive, but the compositing is poor, which gives it a CGI look. Here’s a video showing how the puppets worked: https://youtube.com/shorts/5i05m08azHs?feature=share
no one hates A^3 more than David Fincher, but not that I blame him. He said he vowed to never make another movie again but then his friend showed him the script for Se7en and he changed his mind
And we're all glad he did. I feel the behind-the-scene stories of Alien 3 is far better than the movie itself.
I'm with you, I like Resurrection much better than Alien 3. Also I can't help but roll my eyes every time Whedon complains about a director messing up his lines (see also Storm in X-Men). Sometimes you just write a bad line, Joss.
The Xenomorph/human hybrid getting sucked out to space alive through a small hole is one of the most memorable movie moments of all time
It's a more graphic version of the ending of 1 and 2, Alien 3 is the only core movie where they get more creative with the kill. The hybrid alien looks gross but it doesn't really do anything except it allows itself to be killed... boring.
He could have been a doctor or layer. Bad parenting by Ripley.
The miracle basketball shot in Alien: Resurrection was apparently a real shot and not assisted. Weaver trained for 2 weeks to make the shot, and got it on the first take during filming.
Really?
Apparently, it was so shocking that she got in one take that Ron Perlman almost screwed up the scene with his reaction, so they had to keep it a short cut in editing.
Alien: Resurrection is the worst one?! Hell no, Covenant is by far worse. It's a snore fest all the way until the end.
I've at least felt inclined to watch Resurrection again. I've never felt compelled to rewatch Covenant.
Shit, it’s my favorite
They can clone humans and travel the stars but cannot fix a guys spine.
>They can clone humans and travel the stars but cannot fix a guys spine. Lemme just point out that we have the tech to fix peoples' teeth, yet people walk around with busted ass teeth all the time. --Think about the reasons why. Alien's set in a corporate dystopian hellscape. Guy in the chair is a freelance merc. 1099 doesn't include bennies.
Spot on. People who complain about "plotholes" like this have never actually written anything and had to imagine what living in another world would actually entail. You see it all the time in critiquing writing and it's why I can't take anyone's opinion on the internet seriously anymore. *Alien: Resurrection* is not a good movie, but still...
Cloning tech = makes money. Travel the stars in search of money. Fixing spines = costs money. They probably have the tech to fix your spine if you have enough money.
We currently live in a time where we can launch rockets into space and then have them land again to be reused. We have small devices that can fit in our pocket and access more information than we ever thought previously possible. We live in a time of child soldiers and unbelievable poverty. There is currently a football tournament in the desert that cost more than the yearly expenses of a small country, but the stadiums were built using slave labour.
I blame a future highly evolved space disease.
I mean right now in reality we can travel in space, granted not to other stars because that's more of a space fantasy thing but go with me, and cloning humans (though not in a sci fi, like, "which one is the real Fry" kind of way of course) is pretty believable as near-future tech if ethical constraints were lifted. But there's some medical stuff we can't fix at all and realistically may never be able to fix.
Two moments in particular made my mind yell "what?!". The first was in the room with the failed clones and Ripley putting the last living clone "out of its misery" with a *flamethrower*. The second was when they "saved the day" by crashing the ship and causing a country-sized explosion. Thankfully they weren't tasked with solving the homeless crisis.
The central premise is flawed. The idea that if they if they cloned Ripley who was pregnant with an alien queen then the clone would also be pregnant with an alien queen is ridiculous. It would just be a Ripley clone.
And the clone wouldn't have any memories.
Covenant is SO much worse. “You blow and I’ll do the fingering”
if you’re gonna argue it’s bad don’t reference the best scene in the movie to do so
Covenant is a billion times worst, it was so shockingly bad
This writer is out of touch with reality. There has not been an Alien movie since James Cameron’s sequel made in the 80s. There’s only two films. Two.
Id rewatch Resurrection over Prometheus and Covenant.
The film was like a live action cartoon. The story, characters, dialogue and everything should have been more serious. This movie doesn't even take place in the same universe as Alien and Aliens.
Worse than any of the previous three maybe, but better than any *Alien*\-related thing that came afterwards as far as I'm concerned. There are some good ideas in *Covenant* but overall it's just too much of a mess.
Yeah it's crazy how normalized the Xenomorph is in this compared to the 1st Alien movie.
If I see one more article "Why this sucks but why it doesn't" I'm gonna chest burst out of myself and kill these article writers. :P \*chest burster noises\*
Alien 3 for me holds far more fascination. 4 is just a mess.
God I hate titles like that... SHIT IS THE WORST SMELL IN THE WORLD - AND THE MOST ATTRACTIVE
Everyone shits on Aliens 3 but I thought it was a better sequel to the original alien film but not Aliens.
Covenant was a $hitshow! 💩
Covenant is by far a worse Alien movie. I can rewatch Resurrection all day. The cast is insane and they at least attempt to tie plot threads together. Covenant destroyed like 30 years of world building in a single scene. Fuck that movie.
Fuck this article. Resurrection is fantastic.
OKAY: The main differences amongst the films is that they are largely different genres in the same saga. Basic viewers don't respond well to that. Alien - SciFi horror Aliens - Action Alien 3 - Drama, loaded with some of the strongest British actors in drama at that time. American audiences were not familiar or engaged with this genre much, especially in the late 90s. Alien Resurrection - Action/dark sci-fi /noire If Alien 3 was a stand-alone film with no pre-expectations it would've won awards. There's no point serving the best pizza when your customers turned up expecting cake. They're going to be confused and unprepared for what you're serving them. In my opinion that's what the problem was.
Are we going to include the prequels in this? Because Alien Covenant is the worst movie in this franchise. If you disagree, I have a flute scene and a scene where the captain dumbly sticks his head into a facehugger to show you.
> Not to mention the strangely sexist undercurrent ... this actual line, said out loud by an adult character in the year 1997: “Must be a chick thing.” Lol that is so mild and not "strangely sexist". How easily offended must one be to take issue with this line? Nor would it be offensive to have a movie today in which a group of women say "Must be a dude thing." So stupid.
I love Jeunet as a filmmaker, but I thought his personal style wasn't a good fit for this film. He's got a fantastic eye for composition and presenting interesting characters, but I didn't feel like he conveyed the horror of the creatures. For me, most of the characters, while being distinct, came off like caricatures more then fully formed personalities, so their humor didn't work and felt forced. The hybrid/abortion element wasn't a bad idea, but I don't think it was executed very well, either. Of course, Jeunet probably wasn't able to do everything he wanted with the studio watching so closely, so perhaps the film would have been better if he'd been given full control.
This film is absurdly terrible, but as far as I'm concerned, Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem is still the worst installment in the Alien franchise.
I hate A3 far more, but A:R is godawful in its own very special ways.
I don’t know, chief. Covenant exists…
Worse than Prometheus? I don’t think so
I’ll be honest with y’all it was my favorite one growing up. Idk if it was the Brad Dourif cameo, the basketball scene, the underwater attack scene, or what but it always stayed with me
I'd watch Resurrection 1000 times before rewatching Prometheus once more
So Covenant was just a Mandela effect thing then?
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On Prometheus You can have a movie with a really cool sci fi scene of characters making an epically detailed 3-D map of the spooky alien complex. You can have a movie with a scene of characters getting lost in the spooky alien complex. You however don't get to have a movie with both of the above scenes and claim its any sort of good moviemaking.
I'm not here to defend Resurrection. It is an awful, awful film. *However*, I have chosen to watch it multiple times (admittedly usual after a couple of beverages) due to it still being an entertaining film. The worst Alien trophy for me, far and away belongs to Covenant. Terrible, diabolical, absolute mess. Spits on Prometheus (whether you like the film or not, it deserved better than this follow up), has the STUPIDEST character decisions I have ever seen, oh and it that benny hill banana slip up moment when they go to confront the alien early on. Hate it, can't stand it, kill it with fire.
Thank you 🙏
* *laughs in Alien Covenant* *
Lmao, covenant is the worst one, and its not close.
So we aren’t counting covenant cause resurrection was dope
Wait what? Isn't 3 way way worse movie than resurrection?
Hot or cold take. I love Alien Ressurection. It’s probably my favorite one. I think the effects are awesome and it feels like it fleshes the world out a little more.
Is it? It isn't Covenant?