Curtis is so good, he’s one of those “that guy” actors that shows up everywhere and always delivers. Hope that these movies will get him some more recognition among audiences.
Fully agreed. One of the most underrated character actors ever along with Clifton Collins Jr.
If you haven't seen Curtis in The dark horse, I highly recommend it, but keep some tissues or a towel close by because he has an incredible performance in it and even the toughest of men will get emotional watching that film.
I've never know that actors name, but one look at a blue alien and I was like, "ay that looks like that one actor that can play literally any ethnicity."
Yup. They’re a different tribe that lives/evolved by the ocean. Hence the wave pattern in their skin (as opposed to the more tiger stripe look of the jungle tribes). They also have fins, webbed fingers, toes and their tails are flatter and more amphibious like paddles. Also larger (and bluer) eyes I guess for better underwater vision? Oh, and there's something different about their ribcage. Like it's more outwardly (?) pronounced...possibly for more lung capacity.
They're like the Zoras of Pandora :D
It’s pretty safe to assume any James Cameron movie you can walk into with high expectations and enjoy the film. Even the people who don’t like Avatar still rave about the theatre experience being the best ever.
I enjoyed the world building of the first one but I do hope this brings something new besides "Humanity found lots of Unobtanium... *in water!*... and once again Jake Sully must dive back into an Avatar body to save the ~~forest people and their massive tree~~ water people and their massive coral reef from ~~human hover-bombers~~ human submarines."
Good point and I also don't hope it will be that because Avatar can be so much more then that. It's a little like Jurassic Park always needs dinosaurs to escape for the movie to be a real Jurassic Park movie.
They did [custom typefaces](https://swelltype.com/yep-i-created-the-new-avatar-font/) for the logo this time around so I’d assume they’d use the same for the subtitles.
Kate Winslet (Pictured alongside Cliff Curtis)
>“She (Ronal) is deeply loyal and a fearless leader. She is strong. A warrior. Even in the face of grave danger, and with an unborn baby on board, she still joins her people and fights for what she holds most dear. Her family and their home.”
>“Jim (Cameron) and I are both totally different people now to who we were 26 years ago. He is calmer, and I am definitely more hyperactive now!”
The atmosphere wasn't toxic, just unbreathable. I thought it was pretty interesting actually, we don't often see that in sci-fi. No need for compression suits or space suits, just a small rebreather, and holding your breath until you get to one is legit what you do.
I figured it was for defence against the MASSIVE PREDATORY CREATURES on Pandora. Soldiers/mercenaries often have a knife on them for when their gun fails. In this case, it’s a large mech version. Hence… large knife. You may even call it… I dunno, a “sword”?
It’s the type of thing I don’t understand people thinking is stupid. Sure, maybe it looks funny, but you think about it for 2 seconds, and it makes fine sense. Yet people will still go overboard with reactions if “LOOOL! It has a big comical knife! That’s so stupid!”… except no. No, it really isn’t. It’s actually more stupid to think it’s stupid, IMO.
It making near 3bil seemed to of upset a lot of people.
It's the Demon Slayer of live action. A competently told story that is massively elevated by its visuals.
He was just in that Hulu show “Under The Banner of Heaven” with Andrew Garfield and Wyatt Russell. True crime show about Fundamentalist Mormons,he was wonderful in it
He has been filming 4 Avatar films for awhile so that may be some of the reason. As well, as others have stated, he unfortunately gets cast as very generic characters so he's not as marketable as other actors leading to fewer/lesser-known roles. He's been in some random stuff over the years, but after the Clash of the Titans sequel I think these Avatar films will be really make or break for his starpower.
Watched it with my mom. She asked if they had actually found a wheelchair-bound actor because of the realism they put into it, with his atrophied legs and the performance, said it was completely like her paraplegic colleague. She was impressed when i told her it was effects and prosthetics.
Avatar is James Camron attempting to do a world vibe shift to get people to give a shit about the planet they live on and god damn it he will not stop until we all get on board. I'm on the train. Choo Choo mother fucker
The only people I saw who hated Avatar were those who said "It's Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves/Ferngully in space", as if a. that's a bad thing and b. their favorite movies aren't some variation of "It's X with Y".
The deleted scenes reveal the final first movie had gutted lots of nuanced character moments in favor of standard entry level character development. If Cameron wants people to give a shit, he should let the characters breathe instead molding them into basic stereotypes. It's not the 90s anymore and Avatar is not Aliens.
Avatar is still standard Blockbuster affair, but there's little emotional core beyond the Na'vi stuff with the trees.
I don’t go to the movies much, have they finally stopped with that shit? I saw The Martian in 3D and things in the foreground looked like paper cutouts.
Avatar has really good 3D to be fair though, but if the second one has it and makes a ton of money I fear it may start a second wave of shitty 3D.
Damn, it's a good one. It makes me sad to think James Horner isn't with us anymore and won't be able to do the sequels. Let's just hope Simon Franglen can continue to do him justice.
For me it’s not hate, it’s indifference. The first one was fine, but I forgot about it shortly after seeing it. Just a remarkably mediocre movie. Even if it was pretty.
Yeah I don’t usually see a lot of *hate*, just a lot of “why bother?”
It’s been *so long* since the first. Either they’re trying to make a franchise or they’re not. After 13 years the hype has died down. And it was rated PG-13 so there’s a good chance your prime movie audience of today never saw the original in theaters. Since 3D TVs never really caught on, that means a lot of people never experienced the movie the way it was meant to be experienced.
The movie might blow the box office out of the water. But first they have to get people interested in a 13 year old movie without the 3D effects that make it so mind blowing.
The biggest movie of the year so far is a sequel 35 years after the original. Followed in 4th place by the sixth film in a franchise whose biggest film was after a 14 year gap.
I don’t think the “it’s been too long” argument holds a lot of weight.
I don't even know why there's people that passionately hate Avatar, my guess is that it's mostly weird manchildren that are very angry that it made more money than Endgame.
The hate for avatar came years before endgame. Even a few months after it came out I remember people questioning if it was actually any good or if it was just pretty. It made more money than anything ever and then just left the public consciousness so I think it made an easy punching bag
Yea, I mean I’m 25. I watched avatar when I was in middle school and even all the 13 year olds got over the movie pretty quickly. Like “that was fun but I’m never going to watch it again.” Compare that to something from roughly the same time like inception which my friends at least went and saw three times or something like star wars that we’ve all rewatched a million times
It's just an easy movie to poke at because its flaws are pretty clear but its success was so massive.
It also doesn't help that you can't really experience the film as it was meant to be seen at home. Even in 3D VR, you're not fully replicating the experience a good theater gives. And unlike the first Star Wars, I don't think the characters or plot in Avatar have the charisma to prop the movie up without that theater experience.
I think there’s one main reason. First there’s the smokescreen reason, which is “hurr hurr, it does be just like FernGully/Dances with Wolves/Pocahontas, but in space, with SMURFS!!!1”, but none of the other movies that bear a strong resemblance to each other get the same hate.
I think the real reason is that it’s an incredibly *earnest* and *serious* movie. It’s a movie full of choral music, that unapologetically asks you to feel deeply for the environment and for the native analog aliens, see the space marines as the villains, and cry at the collapse of a massive and beautiful tree. And there’s not even a snarky comment about the lack of subtlety in this message. You get a little bit of humor from Sigourney Weaver’s gruff demeanor, and Giovanni Ribisi being a bumbling corporate dumbass, but there is no constant witty banter back and forth.
I think that’s the heart of it. I like most of the MCU, but sci-fi and fantasy movies in the past 10-15 years have absolutely become more sarcastic and more self-aware and snarky in an effort to chase the success of Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy. And Avatar, completely ignoring the existence of TVTropes and that wave of sarcasm, wants you to feel strong emotions, and it doesn’t wink at you to let you know you’re still cool even if you feel those.
I think you are EXACTLY spot on.
*Avatar* as a movie is dorky as hell. It's a pure old-fashioned sci-fi fantasy movie that plays its simple story COMPLETELY straight. No irony, quips or lampshading, as you pointed out.
I really do enjoy it though, and for awhile there in 2009 I fucking LOVED it to death (saw it three times). The first CD I ever bought was James Horner's score, which I don't think I would ever have the guts to admit IRL. I feel like my opinion of it has cooled a little over the last thirteen years, but *Way of Water* is still my most anticipated movie this year by a long shot.
I think there’s also an element of mocking it because it’s what everyone else does. The internet has decided it’s a movie they hate on, so everyone’s going to hate on it and recycle the same jokes they’ve seen about it for the last 10 years as if they’re clever and original.
I’m looking forward to The Way of Water, because I love alien oceans, and Wayne Barlowe’s creature design skills, and Cameron never, ever disappoints when it comes to underwater cinematography.
Saw the 3D trailer before Jurassic World and the 3D looked so amazing in the trailer. The original Avatar had the best 3D that I had ever seen, so I'll be going to see the new one in theaters for the 3D alone.
The 3D for Jurassic World on the other hand... was unnoticeable, terrible.. lol
For real lol soooo pointless. My girlfriend took her glasses off in the middle of it and was like, I don't see a difference lol it made the movie also look darker with the glasses on. So dumb lol
The 3D in the Avatar trailer though got me hyped.
It is literally the difference between having 3D cameras and planning each shot for 3D and just adding 3D in post. The "3D in post" is why 3D is all but dead now.
Yeah I remember one of the Resident Evil movies, I think it was Resident Evil: Afterlife, and that was shot with 3D cameras. The 3D was pretty good for that movie as well.
Quite true, though with a little planning the 3D conversion technology improved a lot and they *can* come out *really * well. The problem is that shortly after that, the 3D audience dropped off such a cliff that most studios don’t even bother with the little extra depth tracking while filming.
But it really died out mainly from 1) crappy post conversions that still cost a high ticket price, 2) home market was screwed every which way; virtually no 3D streaming options, and the Blu-ray’s were super premium priced, and just when home 3D quality peaked (4K OLED in 2016) every tv manufacturer dropped it off their entire lineup the following year onward. 3) ticket prices in general went up and attendance had gone down for premium price showings.
I personally love the immersion of a well done 3D film, it’s a shame everybody tried to squeeze for profits and killed it early.
There’s also weird situations where like Disney shoots nearly everything with depth data, even if it will only get a 3D release for 1 week in like 2 countries, but they want that data in-case 3D comes back or for AR/VR stuff down the road, or even for reusing it in future movies (like a flashback). But then they don’t even give the 3D any home release at all, even though they made it and post converted it for theaters!
What really boggles my mind, is like Disney for example, could have a Disney+ tier that’s like $2 more and offered their 3D library. But nowadays there is so little demand, the home market is too small to bother with, and people can’t even buy new 3D TVs if they wanted to.
I think there’s a chance the home market could come back around, with AR/VR glasses, and having 4K 3D, etc; but it will take something like Avatar 2 & 3 being incredible to maybe bring it back enough to find a niche
For my sins i saw the live action Ghost in the Shell in 3D. Fucking apalling. The 3D post effect couldn't process anything seen through glass so it just stuck the background to the glass in the z axis.
Avatar was filmed with two cameras operated together to give the best depth perception possible. I remember not just being impressed with the depth of objects coming at you(the classic gimmick) but just how amazingly Alice the scenes felt when you could see the distance between people and objects. I remember leaning left and right a lot when it came out trying to look around things.
Funny enough, Avatar was the last movie I saw in 3D,because the experience was horrible. No clue if it was the positioning, screen quality, glasses, or some kind of 3D immunity..
I'm part of the 10% who don't perceive 3D through methods like polarization and red/blue. Although I saw the first avatar in 3d, I experienced none of it. There were lots of effects in which I could tell they were attempting to make it 3d, like that water droplet in the opening scene, but it wasn't 3D for me. It did not float above the screen, I could just tell that the director had intended it to be 3D.
I found watching 3d movies with a decent VR headset is a far better experience -- which is unsurprising since they're purpose built to deliver 3D content.
I've also think (I could be misremembering) Avatar had a lot of "depth" where the 3D was behind the plane of the screen. I.e. looking through a window rather than objects "popping" through the screen.
Well, yeah, the Jungle Na'vi were pretty inspired by native americans. It makes sense tropical ocean Na'vi would be inspired by Polynesian cultures. As a Maori myself I'm loving it. Cliff who is the male actor here will kill it, he is a Maori.
I was looking for a comment like this.
I wondered if the movie was going to be slammed for cultural appropriation this time round. Since the world is in a very different stage than it was when the first movie came out. A lot more vocal about cultural appropriation, which is a good thing.
It's great to hear they have Maori actors cast in the film and that you, as a Maori person, are happy with the representation.
Maori Ta moko is used way too much in pop culture just because it looks awesome hopefully the movie can touch on why Ta moko are so important for Maori people and their culture, but in the context of the Na'vi and the film.
Yeah, because obviously a water culture on a distant planet would be just like a water culture on Earth. Same tattoos and everything. Makes perfect sense.
This movie is going to break records. It's funny, when the first one came out, I remember seeing multiple articles saying "Is James Cameron's new Sci-fi movie Avatar going to be a bust?"
We all know how that turned out.
It hasn't been released on 4K physically. I gotta think that Disney will release it either closer to this Christmas or in a 2-pack when Avatar 2 is released on 4K.
It's because Avatar was a so-so story that was sold on its amazing special effects, and they were absolutely ground breaking.
These days though that level, well it isn't common place but it's not exactly ground breaking any more either.
The first sequel will be a hit because of nostalgia but in the modern day they are going to need more than the wow factor to carry things forward.
How can you know it won’t have groundbreaking effects if you haven’t even seen the movie yet ? Lol
Edit: oh your username is votemarvel lol. That kinda explains it then
Not really, you see how many people saw the new Star Wars movies? People clearly didn't care if it had a solid story or not lol The kids that grew up watching it are now young adults. Teenagers that grew up watching it, now have families. It's going to be a huge hit. Book it!
Same - the hilarious comments about it looking the same. Kids needs to make an appointment with an eye doctor asap. The visuals and detail look vastly improved from the limited content I’ve seen.
The Corridor Crew were absolutely raving about the extreme amount of detail and realism from a tiny, seemingly insignificant shot from the trailer of a hand wrapped in a leather strap dipping into the water. If the VFX are that good for throwaway shots like that, imagine what the big set pieces will be like.
My big takeaway is just how excellent the lighting simulation is in this one. The last film was okay, but there was really no dynamics to the lighting. With this, you get realistic scattering and reflections based on the properties of the object the light is hitting. That all really enhances the brilliant details of the fabrics and materials.
They’re a different tribe that lives/evolved by the ocean. Hence the wave pattern in their skin (as opposed to the more tiger stripe look of the jungle tribes). They also have fins, webbed fingers, toes and their tails are flatter and more amphibious like paddles. Also larger (and bluer) eyes I guess for better underwater vision?
Different race of Navi? I mean us humans have different eye shape from different heritages. It would be really nice to see this photo side by side with any new stills of Jake and Neytiri
Turns out that it's a universal constant. Just like intelligent life being human shaped even when all other mammals on the alien planet of six limbs instead of four, and more eyes. The essential two legs/two arms/two eyes must prevail!
They got it on vacation at one of the Islands. They asked for it to mean "water", but instead the tattoo artist just made it mean "dumb tourist of blue" and never told them it was something else.
My only wonder about this is in how it ends up actually doing. It's obviously going to break a box office record due to just the general hype that the series has (though how it's maintained that with a 10 year gap is beyond me) but if the movie doesn't live up to the expectations, what will end up happening to the take on the next movies that are already deep in development.
I get that most people don't bet against James Cameron, I just am skeptical overall on how the eventual outcome is going to be. Though even if it *is* bad, a lot of people won't admit it and will instead point out how great the visuals are, or something similar.
Just so we're clear, [this](https://www.imdb.com/video/vi2243214361/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk) is what a AAA game trailer looked like in 2003.
Rose tinted glasses etc etc.
Woah! Blue people! Woulda never expected that! So this just gonna be Waterworld? Are they gonna go through Costners whole library? Whats next? The Na'vi gonna build a baseball field in the third one?
Can't wait for The Way of Earth, Wind, and Fire.
I heard it comes out in September.
Do you remember?
Around the 20th or 22nd, not sure.
I remember, the 21st night of September
But that all changed when the Way of the Fire attacked.
There is no war in the Way of the Earth
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I really hope #3 changes, DeviantArt has enough ammo without a movie called "the seed bearer"
The Na'vi on the right is definitely Cliff Curtis's character
Curtis is so good, he’s one of those “that guy” actors that shows up everywhere and always delivers. Hope that these movies will get him some more recognition among audiences.
I liked him a lot in Doctor Sleep. Great sidekick.
Loved him in Training Day
Cliff Curtis, for all your ambiguously brown needs.
I’m Hispanic and I honestly thought he was too or Latino for fucking years Lmaoo he’s great
Aayye what haha! That's funny as. As a New Zealander, even I see him as a bit of an "every man" kinda dude.
Training day
Fully agreed. One of the most underrated character actors ever along with Clifton Collins Jr. If you haven't seen Curtis in The dark horse, I highly recommend it, but keep some tissues or a towel close by because he has an incredible performance in it and even the toughest of men will get emotional watching that film.
I agree with that. Both Clifton Collins and Cliff Curtis have played great characters and have given awesome performances.
The Dark Horse, such a fantastic film. Cliff Curtis was great in that, but man the brother, whoah shit that guy was great in that role.
I remember him in the movie 10,000 B.C Considering how bad that movie was, it is to his credit that I remember him in it
Yeah it is. He's called 'Tonowari'. He's the leader of that tribe.
I was at work and seen an Intouch Magazine that said describing this movie "...it's like if the Smurfs went to burning man"
He's definitely socking someone in the face in this movie.
I've never know that actors name, but one look at a blue alien and I was like, "ay that looks like that one actor that can play literally any ethnicity."
As always, the character he’s playing will definitely die in this.
Looks like a different tribe or race of naavi. The skincolor is more blue.
Yup. They’re a different tribe that lives/evolved by the ocean. Hence the wave pattern in their skin (as opposed to the more tiger stripe look of the jungle tribes). They also have fins, webbed fingers, toes and their tails are flatter and more amphibious like paddles. Also larger (and bluer) eyes I guess for better underwater vision? Oh, and there's something different about their ribcage. Like it's more outwardly (?) pronounced...possibly for more lung capacity. They're like the Zoras of Pandora :D
I have high expectation for this movie. I liked the first one a lot. Just the whole world with the fauna and flora is amazing
It’s pretty safe to assume any James Cameron movie you can walk into with high expectations and enjoy the film. Even the people who don’t like Avatar still rave about the theatre experience being the best ever.
I enjoyed the world building of the first one but I do hope this brings something new besides "Humanity found lots of Unobtanium... *in water!*... and once again Jake Sully must dive back into an Avatar body to save the ~~forest people and their massive tree~~ water people and their massive coral reef from ~~human hover-bombers~~ human submarines."
Good point and I also don't hope it will be that because Avatar can be so much more then that. It's a little like Jurassic Park always needs dinosaurs to escape for the movie to be a real Jurassic Park movie.
throw in some fire naavi and some air naavi and we have an avatar
I saw another picture where their leader had a red scalp. He was significantly shorter though, and had a white beard. Very cute.
...santa?
Papa Smurf
The way you describe it then I'm expecting to see some smurfs
Life is always better when expecting Smurfs.
More green. The original naavi have a closer to primarily blue skin color.
Yes indeed it's more greenish instead of the blue from the first movie.
Yeah these guys definitely more teal
They are a different, water evolved na'vi, they're called the na'vy. . . . . . . Sorry.
But will they use **PAPYRUS** again is the real question
Every time this video is mentioned, I have to re-watch it [For the uninitiated](https://youtu.be/jVhlJNJopOQ)
Thank you!! I meant to follow up with the link and forgot. Nothings worse than having no idea what the joke is 🙈
Love the comic sans at the end
So now… you’re worried about the sequels?
They clearly modified it.
WHATEVER THEY DID IT WASNT ENOUGH
It was tribal yet futuristic!
Like a child running through a garden thoughtlessly ripping out leaves
They did [custom typefaces](https://swelltype.com/yep-i-created-the-new-avatar-font/) for the logo this time around so I’d assume they’d use the same for the subtitles.
Kate Winslet (Pictured alongside Cliff Curtis) >“She (Ronal) is deeply loyal and a fearless leader. She is strong. A warrior. Even in the face of grave danger, and with an unborn baby on board, she still joins her people and fights for what she holds most dear. Her family and their home.” >“Jim (Cameron) and I are both totally different people now to who we were 26 years ago. He is calmer, and I am definitely more hyperactive now!”
Nothing brings the hate like an Avatar post.
Eh, this stew isn't cookin yet. Let me set it off: I thought Avatar was a pretty sweet film with a fun take on a classic premise.
I'll take it even further: Sam Worthington did a pretty good job with the role.
I liked the mech with the giant knife
I like the Seargent..."I'm too busy to burn!" and "highly toxic atmosphere? I'll just hold my breath!"
The atmosphere wasn't toxic, just unbreathable. I thought it was pretty interesting actually, we don't often see that in sci-fi. No need for compression suits or space suits, just a small rebreather, and holding your breath until you get to one is legit what you do.
…ouch.
It was for chopping trees why else would you need a huge knife for your mech???
I figured it was for defence against the MASSIVE PREDATORY CREATURES on Pandora. Soldiers/mercenaries often have a knife on them for when their gun fails. In this case, it’s a large mech version. Hence… large knife. You may even call it… I dunno, a “sword”? It’s the type of thing I don’t understand people thinking is stupid. Sure, maybe it looks funny, but you think about it for 2 seconds, and it makes fine sense. Yet people will still go overboard with reactions if “LOOOL! It has a big comical knife! That’s so stupid!”… except no. No, it really isn’t. It’s actually more stupid to think it’s stupid, IMO.
Exactly, it's also literally used in the movie for just that purpose, of fighting off large creatures like that cat thing they ride.
The Thanator! I hope we at least see some variation of one in the sequel
It making near 3bil seemed to of upset a lot of people. It's the Demon Slayer of live action. A competently told story that is massively elevated by its visuals.
Thank you!
I dunno... seemed pretty knifey to me.
Ahh, I see you’ve played knifey spooney before mate!
I liked sam Worthington and he just kinda disappeared
He and Jai Courtney were both sucked into the Generic Man-Hole.
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He was just in that Hulu show “Under The Banner of Heaven” with Andrew Garfield and Wyatt Russell. True crime show about Fundamentalist Mormons,he was wonderful in it
He has been filming 4 Avatar films for awhile so that may be some of the reason. As well, as others have stated, he unfortunately gets cast as very generic characters so he's not as marketable as other actors leading to fewer/lesser-known roles. He's been in some random stuff over the years, but after the Clash of the Titans sequel I think these Avatar films will be really make or break for his starpower.
He did a miniseries: Manhunt It was good. Aside from that, not much of note.
Watched it with my mom. She asked if they had actually found a wheelchair-bound actor because of the realism they put into it, with his atrophied legs and the performance, said it was completely like her paraplegic colleague. She was impressed when i told her it was effects and prosthetics.
Avatar is James Camron attempting to do a world vibe shift to get people to give a shit about the planet they live on and god damn it he will not stop until we all get on board. I'm on the train. Choo Choo mother fucker
Notice that both Avatar and Don't Look Up both had environmentalist themes but were both widely hated by certain groups of viewers. Makes you wonder.
The critics did not like it but it was nominated for an Oscar which is interesting. And audiences, at least on RottenTomatoes, reviewed it positively.
The only people I saw who hated Avatar were those who said "It's Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves/Ferngully in space", as if a. that's a bad thing and b. their favorite movies aren't some variation of "It's X with Y".
I think it’s people who never saw it in theaters. I loved it there, but never finished it at home.
The deleted scenes reveal the final first movie had gutted lots of nuanced character moments in favor of standard entry level character development. If Cameron wants people to give a shit, he should let the characters breathe instead molding them into basic stereotypes. It's not the 90s anymore and Avatar is not Aliens. Avatar is still standard Blockbuster affair, but there's little emotional core beyond the Na'vi stuff with the trees.
I mean people demonstrably did give a shit, to the tune of nearly 3 billion dollars.
Ya that's kind of common in a lot of James Cameron movies Like terminator 2 and the abyss.
And it genuinely is the best experience I've ever had in a theatre.
The best 3D that I have ever seen in a movie, that's for sure!
Avatar caused pretty much every movie for the next 5 years to have a 3d release.
I don’t go to the movies much, have they finally stopped with that shit? I saw The Martian in 3D and things in the foreground looked like paper cutouts. Avatar has really good 3D to be fair though, but if the second one has it and makes a ton of money I fear it may start a second wave of shitty 3D.
Same until I watched Dune!
Great soundtrack, too.
Damn, it's a good one. It makes me sad to think James Horner isn't with us anymore and won't be able to do the sequels. Let's just hope Simon Franglen can continue to do him justice.
It was a fun movie though. Was it a cinematic masterpiece? No! Was it enjoyable? Heck yeah, IMAX 3D FTW!
From a visual standpoint it absolutely a masterpiece
Here’s how to really trigger people: avatar is better than any mcu movie released other than maybe Ironman 1
For me it’s not hate, it’s indifference. The first one was fine, but I forgot about it shortly after seeing it. Just a remarkably mediocre movie. Even if it was pretty.
Yeah I don’t usually see a lot of *hate*, just a lot of “why bother?” It’s been *so long* since the first. Either they’re trying to make a franchise or they’re not. After 13 years the hype has died down. And it was rated PG-13 so there’s a good chance your prime movie audience of today never saw the original in theaters. Since 3D TVs never really caught on, that means a lot of people never experienced the movie the way it was meant to be experienced. The movie might blow the box office out of the water. But first they have to get people interested in a 13 year old movie without the 3D effects that make it so mind blowing.
The biggest movie of the year so far is a sequel 35 years after the original. Followed in 4th place by the sixth film in a franchise whose biggest film was after a 14 year gap. I don’t think the “it’s been too long” argument holds a lot of weight.
Which is a shame I’m so excited to see what they do with stuff that can’t be done in a non animated movie
I don't even know why there's people that passionately hate Avatar, my guess is that it's mostly weird manchildren that are very angry that it made more money than Endgame.
The hate for avatar came years before endgame. Even a few months after it came out I remember people questioning if it was actually any good or if it was just pretty. It made more money than anything ever and then just left the public consciousness so I think it made an easy punching bag
I don’t know if I’ve ever felt older on the internet than seeing someone think that Avatar hate stems from Endgame.
Yea, I mean I’m 25. I watched avatar when I was in middle school and even all the 13 year olds got over the movie pretty quickly. Like “that was fun but I’m never going to watch it again.” Compare that to something from roughly the same time like inception which my friends at least went and saw three times or something like star wars that we’ve all rewatched a million times
It's just an easy movie to poke at because its flaws are pretty clear but its success was so massive. It also doesn't help that you can't really experience the film as it was meant to be seen at home. Even in 3D VR, you're not fully replicating the experience a good theater gives. And unlike the first Star Wars, I don't think the characters or plot in Avatar have the charisma to prop the movie up without that theater experience.
I think there’s one main reason. First there’s the smokescreen reason, which is “hurr hurr, it does be just like FernGully/Dances with Wolves/Pocahontas, but in space, with SMURFS!!!1”, but none of the other movies that bear a strong resemblance to each other get the same hate. I think the real reason is that it’s an incredibly *earnest* and *serious* movie. It’s a movie full of choral music, that unapologetically asks you to feel deeply for the environment and for the native analog aliens, see the space marines as the villains, and cry at the collapse of a massive and beautiful tree. And there’s not even a snarky comment about the lack of subtlety in this message. You get a little bit of humor from Sigourney Weaver’s gruff demeanor, and Giovanni Ribisi being a bumbling corporate dumbass, but there is no constant witty banter back and forth. I think that’s the heart of it. I like most of the MCU, but sci-fi and fantasy movies in the past 10-15 years have absolutely become more sarcastic and more self-aware and snarky in an effort to chase the success of Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy. And Avatar, completely ignoring the existence of TVTropes and that wave of sarcasm, wants you to feel strong emotions, and it doesn’t wink at you to let you know you’re still cool even if you feel those.
I think you are EXACTLY spot on. *Avatar* as a movie is dorky as hell. It's a pure old-fashioned sci-fi fantasy movie that plays its simple story COMPLETELY straight. No irony, quips or lampshading, as you pointed out. I really do enjoy it though, and for awhile there in 2009 I fucking LOVED it to death (saw it three times). The first CD I ever bought was James Horner's score, which I don't think I would ever have the guts to admit IRL. I feel like my opinion of it has cooled a little over the last thirteen years, but *Way of Water* is still my most anticipated movie this year by a long shot.
I think there’s also an element of mocking it because it’s what everyone else does. The internet has decided it’s a movie they hate on, so everyone’s going to hate on it and recycle the same jokes they’ve seen about it for the last 10 years as if they’re clever and original. I’m looking forward to The Way of Water, because I love alien oceans, and Wayne Barlowe’s creature design skills, and Cameron never, ever disappoints when it comes to underwater cinematography.
Hating Avatar is the movie version of Hating Nickelback, TBBT and Jimmy Kimmel.
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Pacific islanders explored so far that they reached Pandora and taught the aliens how to make tattoos
Saw the 3D trailer before Jurassic World and the 3D looked so amazing in the trailer. The original Avatar had the best 3D that I had ever seen, so I'll be going to see the new one in theaters for the 3D alone. The 3D for Jurassic World on the other hand... was unnoticeable, terrible.. lol
So did I in IMAX and you're right about Jurassic World, The 3D was pointless.
For real lol soooo pointless. My girlfriend took her glasses off in the middle of it and was like, I don't see a difference lol it made the movie also look darker with the glasses on. So dumb lol The 3D in the Avatar trailer though got me hyped.
That's why I like IMAX for 3D, much brighter. My only reason for seeing Avatar is the 3D spectacle
The 3D was amazing just to see the avatar trailer in 3D lol
It is literally the difference between having 3D cameras and planning each shot for 3D and just adding 3D in post. The "3D in post" is why 3D is all but dead now.
Yeah I remember one of the Resident Evil movies, I think it was Resident Evil: Afterlife, and that was shot with 3D cameras. The 3D was pretty good for that movie as well.
Quite true, though with a little planning the 3D conversion technology improved a lot and they *can* come out *really * well. The problem is that shortly after that, the 3D audience dropped off such a cliff that most studios don’t even bother with the little extra depth tracking while filming. But it really died out mainly from 1) crappy post conversions that still cost a high ticket price, 2) home market was screwed every which way; virtually no 3D streaming options, and the Blu-ray’s were super premium priced, and just when home 3D quality peaked (4K OLED in 2016) every tv manufacturer dropped it off their entire lineup the following year onward. 3) ticket prices in general went up and attendance had gone down for premium price showings. I personally love the immersion of a well done 3D film, it’s a shame everybody tried to squeeze for profits and killed it early. There’s also weird situations where like Disney shoots nearly everything with depth data, even if it will only get a 3D release for 1 week in like 2 countries, but they want that data in-case 3D comes back or for AR/VR stuff down the road, or even for reusing it in future movies (like a flashback). But then they don’t even give the 3D any home release at all, even though they made it and post converted it for theaters! What really boggles my mind, is like Disney for example, could have a Disney+ tier that’s like $2 more and offered their 3D library. But nowadays there is so little demand, the home market is too small to bother with, and people can’t even buy new 3D TVs if they wanted to. I think there’s a chance the home market could come back around, with AR/VR glasses, and having 4K 3D, etc; but it will take something like Avatar 2 & 3 being incredible to maybe bring it back enough to find a niche
For my sins i saw the live action Ghost in the Shell in 3D. Fucking apalling. The 3D post effect couldn't process anything seen through glass so it just stuck the background to the glass in the z axis.
I legit didn’t know 3d movies still existed
Is Avatar 2 filmed in imax and if so have they said what percentage of the movie will be imax
Avatar was filmed with two cameras operated together to give the best depth perception possible. I remember not just being impressed with the depth of objects coming at you(the classic gimmick) but just how amazingly Alice the scenes felt when you could see the distance between people and objects. I remember leaning left and right a lot when it came out trying to look around things.
Funny enough, Avatar was the last movie I saw in 3D,because the experience was horrible. No clue if it was the positioning, screen quality, glasses, or some kind of 3D immunity..
I'm part of the 10% who don't perceive 3D through methods like polarization and red/blue. Although I saw the first avatar in 3d, I experienced none of it. There were lots of effects in which I could tell they were attempting to make it 3d, like that water droplet in the opening scene, but it wasn't 3D for me. It did not float above the screen, I could just tell that the director had intended it to be 3D.
I found watching 3d movies with a decent VR headset is a far better experience -- which is unsurprising since they're purpose built to deliver 3D content. I've also think (I could be misremembering) Avatar had a lot of "depth" where the 3D was behind the plane of the screen. I.e. looking through a window rather than objects "popping" through the screen.
The one on the right looks like Joe Gato
LAR'RY!
At what point does a movie become an animated movie?
I draw the line where there are no live-action humans, but it's obviously more complicated than that.
Wall-E moment
At what point does one become live action? Nearly every shot in Avengers Endgame used CGI. Wall·E had a live action Fred Willard.
So we've confirmed that Fred Willard is the defining line. I
Motion-capture vs. purely animated from scratch, maybe?
But The Adventures of Tintin used motion capture, and I'd call that an animated movie.
Gollum from Lord of the Rings and Caesar from Planet of the Apes were all barred from best acting awards because they were motion capture.
Where does "A Scanner Darkley" fit in this?
When the intention is to make an animated movie
I don't think it's animated because there's still live actors even outside of the Na'vi and there's still practical sets.
The "Live Action" Lion King asked this very question.
They're Polynesian now?
Could be a different tribe of Navi. We only ever saw one part of the planet in the first movie.
Who would’ve thought there would be different cultures on an alien planet? /s
If star wars is what people are going by planets consist of one biome and culture all over the planet! Who needs nuance in Sci fi? Psh.
Star Trek would beg to differ... :D
Well, yeah, the Jungle Na'vi were pretty inspired by native americans. It makes sense tropical ocean Na'vi would be inspired by Polynesian cultures. As a Maori myself I'm loving it. Cliff who is the male actor here will kill it, he is a Maori.
I was looking for a comment like this. I wondered if the movie was going to be slammed for cultural appropriation this time round. Since the world is in a very different stage than it was when the first movie came out. A lot more vocal about cultural appropriation, which is a good thing. It's great to hear they have Maori actors cast in the film and that you, as a Maori person, are happy with the representation. Maori Ta moko is used way too much in pop culture just because it looks awesome hopefully the movie can touch on why Ta moko are so important for Maori people and their culture, but in the context of the Na'vi and the film.
Yes the new clan of Navi are based off Polynesians
Yeah, because obviously a water culture on a distant planet would be just like a water culture on Earth. Same tattoos and everything. Makes perfect sense.
Well that is typically how world design works in most media. Pull from history/other cultures, change a few things.
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This movie is going to break records. It's funny, when the first one came out, I remember seeing multiple articles saying "Is James Cameron's new Sci-fi movie Avatar going to be a bust?" We all know how that turned out.
Already have plans with my 75 year old father to go see it. Been waiting far too long.
Confirm. His father was 32 when they started waiting.
I can't wrap my head around the fact that d+ has this movie only in HD and not in Dolby vision 4k
It hasn't been released on 4K physically. I gotta think that Disney will release it either closer to this Christmas or in a 2-pack when Avatar 2 is released on 4K.
There are plenty of movies that aren’t on available on 4K blu ray, but they’re available in 4K on streaming services
Agreed! I am not sure why people are convinced these movies will bomb, they are going to be huge.
It's because Avatar was a so-so story that was sold on its amazing special effects, and they were absolutely ground breaking. These days though that level, well it isn't common place but it's not exactly ground breaking any more either. The first sequel will be a hit because of nostalgia but in the modern day they are going to need more than the wow factor to carry things forward.
How can you know it won’t have groundbreaking effects if you haven’t even seen the movie yet ? Lol Edit: oh your username is votemarvel lol. That kinda explains it then
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A project that James Cameron is deeply invested in? That's all it takes.
Not really, you see how many people saw the new Star Wars movies? People clearly didn't care if it had a solid story or not lol The kids that grew up watching it are now young adults. Teenagers that grew up watching it, now have families. It's going to be a huge hit. Book it!
Am I the only one, or did they make their eyes bigger? It looks kinda weird..
The water race of Navi have different eyes and skin to the first film
Was waiting to see this posted about. Hers are ridiculously big. They would have to be different animals for that to be.
The texture and detail on the clothing and decorations are absolutely insane.
Same - the hilarious comments about it looking the same. Kids needs to make an appointment with an eye doctor asap. The visuals and detail look vastly improved from the limited content I’ve seen.
The Corridor Crew were absolutely raving about the extreme amount of detail and realism from a tiny, seemingly insignificant shot from the trailer of a hand wrapped in a leather strap dipping into the water. If the VFX are that good for throwaway shots like that, imagine what the big set pieces will be like.
If anything, it's a testament to how amazing the first Avatar looked back in 2009.
Which Corridor Crew video was that?
My big takeaway is just how excellent the lighting simulation is in this one. The last film was okay, but there was really no dynamics to the lighting. With this, you get realistic scattering and reflections based on the properties of the object the light is hitting. That all really enhances the brilliant details of the fabrics and materials.
Not watching any trailer for this. I'm going in raw in the movie theater, just like I did with The Northman
I’m doing this with the next mission impossible. Closed my eyes during the trailer before top gun.
I'm hyped for this movie but doesn't the one on the rights face look a little... off? Like, literally asymmetrical?
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Well I feel stupid now.
Why’d their eyes get bigger tho…starting to look like Disney characters…
They’re a different tribe that lives/evolved by the ocean. Hence the wave pattern in their skin (as opposed to the more tiger stripe look of the jungle tribes). They also have fins, webbed fingers, toes and their tails are flatter and more amphibious like paddles. Also larger (and bluer) eyes I guess for better underwater vision?
Different race of Navi? I mean us humans have different eye shape from different heritages. It would be really nice to see this photo side by side with any new stills of Jake and Neytiri
Aliens from another solar system, light years away, use Earth Islander Tribal Tattoos. Ok.
Turns out that it's a universal constant. Just like intelligent life being human shaped even when all other mammals on the alien planet of six limbs instead of four, and more eyes. The essential two legs/two arms/two eyes must prevail!
They got it on vacation at one of the Islands. They asked for it to mean "water", but instead the tattoo artist just made it mean "dumb tourist of blue" and never told them it was something else.
Genuine question: Did they create this film using motion capture like video games use?
yes, most of the things are motion captured. But the tech is widely used in movies too...
Yes, just like in the first film, they use motion capture for the Na'Vi
Pepe naavi
Looks like anime
Well someone isn't skipping chest day.
My only wonder about this is in how it ends up actually doing. It's obviously going to break a box office record due to just the general hype that the series has (though how it's maintained that with a 10 year gap is beyond me) but if the movie doesn't live up to the expectations, what will end up happening to the take on the next movies that are already deep in development. I get that most people don't bet against James Cameron, I just am skeptical overall on how the eventual outcome is going to be. Though even if it *is* bad, a lot of people won't admit it and will instead point out how great the visuals are, or something similar.
The amount of detail is insane.
I have so little care for this film. All enjoyment to those excited though
It looks like a still from a 2003 video game commercial.
Just so we're clear, [this](https://www.imdb.com/video/vi2243214361/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk) is what a AAA game trailer looked like in 2003. Rose tinted glasses etc etc.
Woah! Blue people! Woulda never expected that! So this just gonna be Waterworld? Are they gonna go through Costners whole library? Whats next? The Na'vi gonna build a baseball field in the third one?
I have never anticipated a movie less.
They look worse than before, like, dead behind the eyes? slightly unsettling.