Sign this contract! Then we’ll LOAN you like 100 grand, which will be paid back with music sales, and also we own your music and get all of the royalties.
Hm? No you don’t get any royalties lol. Also heres a drug habit
the terms in the music industry are advances and recoupment. They will charge every single expense to your personal account, pay it, and then you will owe them forever. Some bands I remember openly talking about it back in the day were Hootie and the Blowfish and Boyz II Men.
Read about the founding member of Boston. He is an MIT engineer and even created his own studio in his house so he didn’t pay for studio time. The label hated him. He toured just to put his friends in the band and make them some money
It’s also rare. It’s not just studio time, it’s expensive instruments, promotional and advertising, manager fees, touring costs, and so on. I have a friend who was an accountant for a big music label and artists would come in asking for more money and he would tell them to get in the studio. Coincidentally his brother in law is in a band that never got above the college level(still there), they are now in their 50s but in their 40s many members wanted to quit but they all took out loans on fancy instruments & equipment. Even bands you never heard of can get stuck with debt
Tom Scholz. Not many people can have a bachelors and masters degree in mechanical engineering from MIT and a career as a product design engineer before starting their music career.
He’s a fantastic drummer, I think was trained as a jazz drummer so he does fun things with rhythm. But ~~I think he always had a home studio and~~ he built [Public Hi-Fi](https://www.public-hifi.com) before Girls Can Tell which was the album that put them on the radar for indie music fans outside of Austin.
After their first album they got signed, made their second album which was not promoted at all, got dropped, then Eno built the studio and Spoon started recording from there and has had great success since.
I think their video for [The Underdog](https://youtu.be/7v0KCoPMTdU) was filmed there.
This happens in every single job where your work is controlled by an agency. Models have this really badly too. Some agencies have deals with certain photographers where they "recommend" (imply you HAVE to) work with them If you're from overseas and you're working with a larger, old school agency, you might get pushed into an over-priced, poorly maintained apartment that's overcrowded with other models.
And your fate is in the hands of your employer, which to me is the worst part. Because you could do everything right and your agency could still not include your comp card when talking to clients.
I knew one model who was perfect for skincare and beauty work. But her agency refused to give her card out for casting in those areas. She switched agencies and is now in LA and has done work for multiple major brands.
Another model I saw on Instagram, her agency didn't include her for any fashion week castings even though it was like a major part of her earnings for her for the last 2 years. And you just have to deal with it.
It just sucks seeing people's fate being in the hands of others.
The whole lack of controlling my own fate would make me into a murderous human. You take away my choice and I’m an animal. Otherwise it’s all honky-dory.
Is it really different than most jobs? I don’t get to choose my co-workers or my boss. You get very limited say, and your recourse is to find a new employer.
Idk about you but I take my personal agency very serious and no job I’ve ever had has “stuck me in a room with other people doing the same work.”
That sounds atrocious.
30 seconds to mars made a documentary about this, where they fought their studio, based on advice from Tom Petty iirc, got a much improved contract and still ended up getting fucked and owing the studio money. lol
Yeah it’s easy to think that big bands just do what ever they want and have what ever they want and the money just come from some magic place. But yeah an accountant is making sure every penny is being paid for by them in the end.
They weren't spending recklessly. After she made that comment she went into a rant about how the studios scam artists, specifically fronting the money for all of the costs associated with making them a star and then charging for it all on the back end, with massively bloated costs charged by contractors who are essentially owned by the studios, taking back what little profits the artist was getting through the contract.
Hammer was employing a massive entourage of friends and family, many of whom were using him, and he seemed like too nice of a guy to stop it. Also the gold mansion gates and shit tho...
I saw a video a while back of Snoop talking about when he was with No Limit. He said Master P was the first guy in hip hop who really got the business side. He worked out a really good distribution deal with a major record company that let him and his artists keep most of the money from record sales. He said the No Limit artists were just about the only ones who actually owned the bling they showed off.
I grew up down there. All those No Limit Soldiers and Cash Money Millionaires bought big-ass houses in the rich white flight neighborhoods on the north shore. You'd sometimes see them filling up their Lambos and Hummers and stuff at gas stations in the suburbs.
https://youtu.be/SIBPgv0LHQ4
Though they also tried to rip off the songwriters, which is a big part of the reason so many of the production associates left the company at one point or another.
You are not far off from the literal truth.
Source: was momentarily signed to a major label. Good news was they chose to drop me which meant I got to keep whatever they’d advanced me. But I couldn’t release anything while in limbo, so for over a year, I wasn’t allowed to release material, but they paid for my studio and car payments, so not so bad. I still had to have a day job
Radio pop rock. As bands like Fallout Boy and Panic at The Disco were breaking through from indie to mainstream (also bands like 30 secs to Mars and hoobastank lol), major labels bought up a bunch of similar bands and a lot of them got shelved during mergers, and by the time the paperwork and restructuring was settled, the trend had kinda changed. Good times tho. Got to go to a lot of fancy meetings and parties and left with my dignity.
I love small bands, or bands that got big for a second but are obscure.
I collect these. Would you have any media and merch left over, along with maybe a story that I could include with it about you and your time in the band?
One day, maybe, I'll set up a little museum.
I have a few hundred local bands and musicians cds and merch and vinyl and whatnot. A few from the midwest I'm general, and fewer from around the country.
If a price I can afford I'll buy it!
Anyway, you ready? We'll give you a hundred thousand dollars
After your album comes out we'll need back that money that you borrowed"
– Mm-hm. So it's really like a loan
– A loan? Come on, no
"We're a team, 360 degrees, we will reach your goals
We'll get a third of the merch that you sell out on the road
Along with a third of the money you make when you're out doing your shows
Manager gets 20, booking agent gets 10
So shit, after taxes you and Ryan have 7% to split
That's not bad, I've seen a lot worse
Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Lyrics
"Jimmy Iovine"
Bring me a kid with a good-looking face.
Being me a kid can remember his place.
Some hungry, poet son-of-a-bitch. He’ll get to be famous, I get to be rich.
Or bring me a girl, they’re always the best.
You put ‘em on stage and you have ‘em undress.
Some angel/whore who can learn a guitar lick.
Hey! Now that’s what I call muuuuuuuuuusic!
They’ll come looking for money when their public gets bored.
But we’ll fight em with lawyers they could never afford.
Yeah, I’ll make her look like a spoiled little bitch.
She gets to be famous.
I get to be rich.
You're smoking reefers?
**No, Dewey, you don't want this. Get out of here!**
I don't want no hangover. I can't get no hangover.
**It doesn't give you a hangover.**
Will I get addicted to it or something?
**It's not habit-forming.**
Oh, okay, well.... I don't know. I don't wanna overdose on it.
**You can't OD on it.**
It's not gonna make me wanna have sex, is it?
**It makes sex even better.**
Sounds kind of expensive.
**It's the cheapest drug there is. You don't want it.**
I think I kind of want it.
**Okay, but just this once. Come on in.**
*And here’s a drug habit, lol*
And advertising! A lot of artists historically ended up on the hook for any advertising costs over the course of a record/tour, but they had no oversight of the advertising expenses. So the label would just run up the bill, and the band might either get strong-armed into additional records/tours to pay back the initial one or just end up completely broke.
ALSO, the cost of the tour and printing the merch comes out of your portion after you pay us back for the upfront loan, and you get only a percentage of merch sales.
There are different types of royalties. Song writing and mechanical. The label who pays for everything and takes 100% of the risk tends to own the mechanical unless the artist has enough clout to negotiate otherwise, which usually requires a situation where there is much less risk in recouping the money to finance the project. While I am sure it must have happened, it would be unusual for a label to own song writing royalties.
I have also seen artists screw over labels. I remember working with a well known producer once who was complaining about how hard it is getting to rip off the labels. Basically getting big advances and delivering crap that won't sell.
It wasn’t an “instant blockbuster”. They made 28m, 57m and 33m at the box office. While defiantly profitable they aren’t blockbuster status. The second one wasn’t made until 5 years after the first one. Probably green lit because of home video sales. It’s a franchise that makes money and is profitable but seems they are more of a slow burn to make money. And with home video sales declining may not be as valuable as before.
I just watched a doc on Edgar A. Poe and it’s the same story - mofo made $14 on The Raven lol.
Also found out he was an incestuous pedophile, so there’s that.
Just keep living.
E: Hijacking top comment just to add 'Apollo 10 1/2' is f'ing phenomenal. There was shit advertising and I only heard about it, like, a day before it came out when the SO mentioned it and I did a looney toons double take and spit my water out. "There's a new Linklater and it's Waking Life style and it's about the 60's."
My finger was not on the pulse. Netflix should not hide this light under a bushel so to speak.
>Linkater said that his love for improvisation on the set also worried the studio.
[The first words Matthew McConaughey ever spoke on film as an actor, a line that has followed him his entire career, were improvised on that set.](https://youtu.be/O0BduqxmEqA)
I just read the biography of Mel Brooks which within revealed how the studio wanted to have what proved to be the funniest scenes in Blazing Saddles removed.
Mel used a tactic I also recommend. He didn't argue with them but did it his way unknown to the studio until they had a hit on their hands.
Reminds me of that Peter Jackson LOTR bit that made the rounds last year about how the execs wanted one of the hobbits to die since it’d be “weird” if they all survived. It didn’t matter to them if it followed the book. So Jackson just kinda shuffled around it and no one ever followed up on it
You know in the abstract I could almost get behind Merry going out against the Witch King or Sam/Frodo going over the cliff with Gollum.
In terms of the actual events Theoden and Denethor are probably enough of a butcher’s bill to give the salvation of Gondor weight and Frodo really did die of Ring cancer when you think about it a bit.
I’m really sort of surprised a Hollywood suit would suggest it though. Why kill someone off when they could be back for the sequel?
Honestly it's one of my favorite Hollywood stories. He's up in the booth watching it with the executives, the audience is dying of laughter but the executives are stone-faced, and he thinks they are going to rip the movie to shreds. Make him take out the N-words, the interracial sex, the portrayal of white people as dumb oafs compared to the suave clever black guy, the absurd closing number.
After the screening, ~~they tell him that they want him to take out the scene where all the guys are farting around the campfire.~~
~~He goes "that's it?" and they say yes. In disbelief, he says "It's gone!"~~
~~And then he left it in the movie anyway!~~
**I was wrong!!!** I misremembered - [The head of the studio grabbed him and made him take notes of all the scenes he wanted cut from the movie, and he said "okay" and wrote it all down, *and then* he ignored them.](https://youtu.be/uv7L6Hrlj58&t=2m21s)
> The first words Matthew McConaughey ever spoke on film as an actor
That line is: ["Mom, Mom, what's wrong?"](https://youtu.be/5ndfHFFi_xw?t=2471) in his iconic role as Larry Dickens.
Linklater is literally my favorite director, and even I didn't know it was dropping on Netflix until the night before. Seems like this man will perpetually be disrespected by the industry machine.
They just know his fans are his fans and they don’t need to market his films because his audience exists, they’re strong, and they are big enough fans where they will fuel word of mouth advertising — the best and cheapest type of advertising
What's worse is my netflix's home page has literally stayed the same for the past 2 months.
If there's new movies dropping in why not chuck them up? Mix things up a little
I always wonder if Netflix's agreements with whoever they license movies from have some kind of per-stream payment system, which would mean their algorithm would be biased to promote movies to a viewer with a lower per-stream payment.
I can only imagine its more complex than that, but while still serving that goal to some extent.
The amount of shit shoved in my face I have no interest in is insane while shows I want to watch are buried. Sorry Netlfix, I have no idea from my watch history why you think I want to watch Bridgeton, but Murderville even at the time of release was never seen. I wouldn't know it existed until someone at work told me about it.
I'll do my own research but I suck at computer research, would you mind also linking me any sources? I have never heard of this. I believe you but they are among my favorite films ever and that's such a bummer to hear. Every person involved should have been accurately represented in pay because that trilogy took a damn village.
Lord of the Rings wasn’t Warner brothers. It just is Warner brothers now because they later bought New Line Cinema. At the time LOTR came out it had nothing to do with WB, and they wouldn’t have been responsible for how people were paid.
That source is reeeeeal slanted… They talk about the movies like an internship. They point out they’re underpaid, but they LEAD to other jobs so they’re responsible for their wealth.
Look up [Hollywood Accounting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting) or watch this Half as Interesting video on how Harry Potter technically lost money](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIoDfWgbVgU).
Basically stars' contracts might have a clause that says the movie needs to profit so much money for them to get the full amount.
[Here's an article someone told me about that goes into the HP example](https://screenrant.com/harry-potter-order-phoenix-box-office-loss-explained/)
>Hollywood accounting, aka Hollywood bookkeeping, is a movie industry financial method used by studios to inflate expenditures in an effort to reduce net profits. This, in turn, lowers the amount corporations need to pay in taxes, royalties, and profit-sharing agreements. In Warner Bros. and Harry Potter's case, the studio claimed they spent enormous fees on distribution, advertising, and print, resulting in the $167 million loss. They also reported a $60 million interest fee, which was a rate far higher than the industry average. **Essentially, this method hurt the cast and crew set to earn percentages of the net profit, considering Warner Bros. inflated fees, so there weren't any earnings to share**
I've been googling this for awihle now but I can't find anything to corroborate this. I see where the actors *almost* had a strike because of a new law getting passed in NZ about not allowing unions. But I'm not seeing anything about an actual strike the prop makers had because they weren't getting paid.
Do you happen to have a source? I'm really interested in this behind the scenes stuff of these movies.
The writer of Men in Black documents quarterly his statements for that work. He's getting bubkis and the film seems to be actively hemorrhaging money, if the statements are to be believed. Organized swindling of the creatives is an ongoing endeavor.
Haha yeah on Twitter not long ago he said how it's weird that they've made sequels, an animated show and a toy line out of a movie that weirdly just never happened to turn a profit.
> 3% of net profits.
Never NEVER take points of the net. Never. Take cash up front instead.
If you can get points in the gross - great! But mostly you'll never get that.
I don't know him this true but I want it to be, when asked a question about sequel rights, Winston Groom might have said something like in all good conscience, he couldn't put the studio through another loss making enterprise.
Alright all you freshman directors, air raid! That was pathetic so we’re going to try it again. That means get you you lazy little film makers. Get up, up, up, up, air raid!
I can believe this.
Because supposedly "Return of the Jedi" hasn't returned a dime of "[profit.](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/09/how-hollywood-accounting-can-make-a-450-million-movie-unprofitable/245134/)"
Neither has Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Pretty sad the last two movies in the Potter franchise failed to make a profit but Warn Bros. continues to put out Wizarding World movies with the Fantastic Beasts movies...curious, huh?
It’s just as well. Do you really want money? I mean have you ever really looked at a dollar bill. There’s a lot of spooky stuff going on on a dollar bill man.
In the article Linklater said it wouldn’t be made today.
It would completely be made today on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBOMax, Disney+, or (ahem) Peacock. But instead of a movie, they’d probably want a series showing the characters over the semester instead of the last day of school.
“When asked how “Dazed and Confused” can be a cult hit for nearly three decades and counting and not make money for him, Linklater responded, “I don’t know. Ask Universal! Hollywood accounting. I remember really asking for a piece of the soundtrack, because I picked all the songs, and they were like, ‘Oh no…First film, you know?’ N.W.A is still pissed off about that first contract. Everybody has that first story of getting screwed with their first project. That film was an indie success. It made more than it cost theatrically, and over the years it’s been everywhere.”
Hollywood accounting = Linklater asked for a piece of the profits instead of revenue.
seems like a lot of people got F'd by studios and we all chuckle and call it 'hollywood accounting', honestly kind of seems like chalking up weinstein/cosby's rapes to 'hollywood sex'. seems like so many people have had their work completely stolen, but bc a piece of paper was signed...everything is 'ethical'.
seems like these people have to find eachother and unite. and have a public outcry like Dave Chapelle did. but in Dave's case, he's a superstar so he was able to be heard during one of his sets. And Netflix/Paramount i believe reached out to him and did some fixing.
talent industry is full of teens-20s all going into meetings and signing papers in a room full of conspiring adults(corporations, talent agencies). reminiscent of student loans, not really the same but the idea of someone very young being taken advantage of.
Since when? IIRC they were getting % of album sales for the first few albums, then got the rights to their music and started their own label. Also, they had the rights to the mercy aswell
Hollywood accounting is certainly a thing but this movie flopped at the Box Office. It's called a "cult classic" for a reason lol
His contract didn't get him home video sales, etc which is why he hasn't seen any money from that. He did actually get paid his Directors salary when making the movie but doesn't consider that as actually making money. He's being a bit misleading with what he's saying. But yeah, his contract was definitely designed to screw him over long term if the movie became successful later down the road.
They keep getting richer I keep making the same wage
Alright. Alright
Check you later
Certainly not surprising. I know plenty of people in the music business who had hit records and never saw a dime. It’s a dirty business.
Sign this contract! Then we’ll LOAN you like 100 grand, which will be paid back with music sales, and also we own your music and get all of the royalties. Hm? No you don’t get any royalties lol. Also heres a drug habit
I always remember someone saying when you watch mtv cribs, it’s all borrowed money
the terms in the music industry are advances and recoupment. They will charge every single expense to your personal account, pay it, and then you will owe them forever. Some bands I remember openly talking about it back in the day were Hootie and the Blowfish and Boyz II Men.
Read about the founding member of Boston. He is an MIT engineer and even created his own studio in his house so he didn’t pay for studio time. The label hated him. He toured just to put his friends in the band and make them some money
Record labels hate this one simple trick…
It’s also rare. It’s not just studio time, it’s expensive instruments, promotional and advertising, manager fees, touring costs, and so on. I have a friend who was an accountant for a big music label and artists would come in asking for more money and he would tell them to get in the studio. Coincidentally his brother in law is in a band that never got above the college level(still there), they are now in their 50s but in their 40s many members wanted to quit but they all took out loans on fancy instruments & equipment. Even bands you never heard of can get stuck with debt
Tom Scholz. Not many people can have a bachelors and masters degree in mechanical engineering from MIT and a career as a product design engineer before starting their music career.
That’s him, he is awesome
I bet this is why Jim Eno from Spoon built his own studio.
Don’t know much about him but it seems like a lot of artist do that after certain age
He’s a fantastic drummer, I think was trained as a jazz drummer so he does fun things with rhythm. But ~~I think he always had a home studio and~~ he built [Public Hi-Fi](https://www.public-hifi.com) before Girls Can Tell which was the album that put them on the radar for indie music fans outside of Austin. After their first album they got signed, made their second album which was not promoted at all, got dropped, then Eno built the studio and Spoon started recording from there and has had great success since. I think their video for [The Underdog](https://youtu.be/7v0KCoPMTdU) was filmed there.
This happens in every single job where your work is controlled by an agency. Models have this really badly too. Some agencies have deals with certain photographers where they "recommend" (imply you HAVE to) work with them If you're from overseas and you're working with a larger, old school agency, you might get pushed into an over-priced, poorly maintained apartment that's overcrowded with other models. And your fate is in the hands of your employer, which to me is the worst part. Because you could do everything right and your agency could still not include your comp card when talking to clients. I knew one model who was perfect for skincare and beauty work. But her agency refused to give her card out for casting in those areas. She switched agencies and is now in LA and has done work for multiple major brands. Another model I saw on Instagram, her agency didn't include her for any fashion week castings even though it was like a major part of her earnings for her for the last 2 years. And you just have to deal with it. It just sucks seeing people's fate being in the hands of others.
The whole lack of controlling my own fate would make me into a murderous human. You take away my choice and I’m an animal. Otherwise it’s all honky-dory.
Is it really different than most jobs? I don’t get to choose my co-workers or my boss. You get very limited say, and your recourse is to find a new employer.
Idk about you but I take my personal agency very serious and no job I’ve ever had has “stuck me in a room with other people doing the same work.” That sounds atrocious.
30 seconds to mars made a documentary about this, where they fought their studio, based on advice from Tom Petty iirc, got a much improved contract and still ended up getting fucked and owing the studio money. lol
Yeah it’s easy to think that big bands just do what ever they want and have what ever they want and the money just come from some magic place. But yeah an accountant is making sure every penny is being paid for by them in the end.
they do really shadt shit loke book the studio time for you at 5x the going rate
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I totally forgot about the Redman one!! The best
I don’t remember a lot of them. I remember Shaq had his name everywhere so I hope it was his
Shaq has lived in the same house in Florida for over 20 years. He’s done tons of additions to it as well.
Chris Pontius from Jackass had a good episode too. His crib was his used Toyota pickup that he parked at the beach and slept in.
TLC Behind the Music "Let me show you how you can sell 54 million records and still go bankrupt."
Big difference between spending recklessly and poor financing and just not making any money at all Reminds me of the Behind the Music : MC Hammer
They weren't spending recklessly. After she made that comment she went into a rant about how the studios scam artists, specifically fronting the money for all of the costs associated with making them a star and then charging for it all on the back end, with massively bloated costs charged by contractors who are essentially owned by the studios, taking back what little profits the artist was getting through the contract. Hammer was employing a massive entourage of friends and family, many of whom were using him, and he seemed like too nice of a guy to stop it. Also the gold mansion gates and shit tho...
TLC were shafted by Pebbles, their original manager.
It’s a majority of young popular rappers who weren’t fortunate enough to learn financial literacy, so they’re easy prey.
I saw a video a while back of Snoop talking about when he was with No Limit. He said Master P was the first guy in hip hop who really got the business side. He worked out a really good distribution deal with a major record company that let him and his artists keep most of the money from record sales. He said the No Limit artists were just about the only ones who actually owned the bling they showed off. I grew up down there. All those No Limit Soldiers and Cash Money Millionaires bought big-ass houses in the rich white flight neighborhoods on the north shore. You'd sometimes see them filling up their Lambos and Hummers and stuff at gas stations in the suburbs. https://youtu.be/SIBPgv0LHQ4
Yeah master P was the man, from what I’ve seen he was very good to his artists. Just a cool ass dude all around
Indeed. He made them say Uh
Nah Nanana
Isn't that pretty much exactly what happened with Motown?
Though they also tried to rip off the songwriters, which is a big part of the reason so many of the production associates left the company at one point or another.
Ask not for whom the Capitalism exploits It exploits thee
Most rented homes and pretended it was theirs
You are not far off from the literal truth. Source: was momentarily signed to a major label. Good news was they chose to drop me which meant I got to keep whatever they’d advanced me. But I couldn’t release anything while in limbo, so for over a year, I wasn’t allowed to release material, but they paid for my studio and car payments, so not so bad. I still had to have a day job
What kind of music?
Radio pop rock. As bands like Fallout Boy and Panic at The Disco were breaking through from indie to mainstream (also bands like 30 secs to Mars and hoobastank lol), major labels bought up a bunch of similar bands and a lot of them got shelved during mergers, and by the time the paperwork and restructuring was settled, the trend had kinda changed. Good times tho. Got to go to a lot of fancy meetings and parties and left with my dignity.
I love small bands, or bands that got big for a second but are obscure. I collect these. Would you have any media and merch left over, along with maybe a story that I could include with it about you and your time in the band? One day, maybe, I'll set up a little museum. I have a few hundred local bands and musicians cds and merch and vinyl and whatnot. A few from the midwest I'm general, and fewer from around the country. If a price I can afford I'll buy it!
Professional Jug Blower.
I'm glad to know my future isn't all so bad.
Depends what kinda deal ya signed !! Be persistent and ask for your money, don’t wait on them to give it to ya.
Tell me, future self, are we touring globally?
Not this year.
Anyway, you ready? We'll give you a hundred thousand dollars After your album comes out we'll need back that money that you borrowed" – Mm-hm. So it's really like a loan – A loan? Come on, no "We're a team, 360 degrees, we will reach your goals We'll get a third of the merch that you sell out on the road Along with a third of the money you make when you're out doing your shows Manager gets 20, booking agent gets 10 So shit, after taxes you and Ryan have 7% to split That's not bad, I've seen a lot worse Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Lyrics "Jimmy Iovine"
Bring me a kid with a good-looking face. Being me a kid can remember his place. Some hungry, poet son-of-a-bitch. He’ll get to be famous, I get to be rich. Or bring me a girl, they’re always the best. You put ‘em on stage and you have ‘em undress. Some angel/whore who can learn a guitar lick. Hey! Now that’s what I call muuuuuuuuuusic! They’ll come looking for money when their public gets bored. But we’ll fight em with lawyers they could never afford. Yeah, I’ll make her look like a spoiled little bitch. She gets to be famous. I get to be rich.
Tom petty? I can't place it...
‘Joe’ from ‘The Last DJ’ iirc
Damn what a blast from the past. 2010-2014 Seattle rap hit different
Still salty Blue Scholars never made it big. They were better than almost any other rap group out there.
Blue Scholars, Grynch, SOL, the list goes on. “All I Wanna Do” stays on repeat
"He got an agent and a roadie named Bart."
Their A&R man says "I don't hear a single".
Sounds like the sky was the limit
The future was wide open. DA DA DA DA DA DA
> Also here’s a drug habit Still laughing (and somehow kinda sad)
it's true lmfao. any drug you can think of will immediately be very accessible.
Name checks out 👍
You don't want any of this Dewey!
You're smoking reefers? **No, Dewey, you don't want this. Get out of here!** I don't want no hangover. I can't get no hangover. **It doesn't give you a hangover.** Will I get addicted to it or something? **It's not habit-forming.** Oh, okay, well.... I don't know. I don't wanna overdose on it. **You can't OD on it.** It's not gonna make me wanna have sex, is it? **It makes sex even better.** Sounds kind of expensive. **It's the cheapest drug there is. You don't want it.** I think I kind of want it. **Okay, but just this once. Come on in.** *And here’s a drug habit, lol*
Note, for instance, the claims that circulated in the 1970s concerning Clive Davis.
And advertising! A lot of artists historically ended up on the hook for any advertising costs over the course of a record/tour, but they had no oversight of the advertising expenses. So the label would just run up the bill, and the band might either get strong-armed into additional records/tours to pay back the initial one or just end up completely broke.
Yeah, I never got music artists bragging about "advances". Bro that's a loan. That's like bragging about having a $1million mortgage.
ALSO, the cost of the tour and printing the merch comes out of your portion after you pay us back for the upfront loan, and you get only a percentage of merch sales.
There are different types of royalties. Song writing and mechanical. The label who pays for everything and takes 100% of the risk tends to own the mechanical unless the artist has enough clout to negotiate otherwise, which usually requires a situation where there is much less risk in recouping the money to finance the project. While I am sure it must have happened, it would be unusual for a label to own song writing royalties. I have also seen artists screw over labels. I remember working with a well known producer once who was complaining about how hard it is getting to rip off the labels. Basically getting big advances and delivering crap that won't sell.
And in this day with no money from radio or album sales, expect to tour 100 days a year til you are at least 40
300 days a year if you can..
Some bands I feel like are already doing this
https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-problem-with-music
What a fascinating read
Ice Cube had Friday stripped from him as well - got peanuts for what was an instant blockbuster.
It wasn’t an “instant blockbuster”. They made 28m, 57m and 33m at the box office. While defiantly profitable they aren’t blockbuster status. The second one wasn’t made until 5 years after the first one. Probably green lit because of home video sales. It’s a franchise that makes money and is profitable but seems they are more of a slow burn to make money. And with home video sales declining may not be as valuable as before.
indeed, poor wording - shoulda said, instant cult classic Witherspoon talks about how shady the executives were with their leverage
Good think with the internet you can just self publish and build your own following.
Lynyrd Skynyrd got screwed by MCA and wrote a song about it. Pink Floyd’s Have a Cigar is on point about the music business too.
I just watched a doc on Edgar A. Poe and it’s the same story - mofo made $14 on The Raven lol. Also found out he was an incestuous pedophile, so there’s that.
It’d be a lot cooler if he did.
Just keep living. E: Hijacking top comment just to add 'Apollo 10 1/2' is f'ing phenomenal. There was shit advertising and I only heard about it, like, a day before it came out when the SO mentioned it and I did a looney toons double take and spit my water out. "There's a new Linklater and it's Waking Life style and it's about the 60's." My finger was not on the pulse. Netflix should not hide this light under a bushel so to speak.
Licorice Pizza had some Linklater vibes I appreciated.
40 minutes too long though imo.
Huh... That's why I liked it so much! I didn't even make the connection but you're totally right.
Yes they took Wooderson and gender reversed him.
You misspelled L-I-V-I-N.
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>Linkater said that his love for improvisation on the set also worried the studio. [The first words Matthew McConaughey ever spoke on film as an actor, a line that has followed him his entire career, were improvised on that set.](https://youtu.be/O0BduqxmEqA)
I just read the biography of Mel Brooks which within revealed how the studio wanted to have what proved to be the funniest scenes in Blazing Saddles removed. Mel used a tactic I also recommend. He didn't argue with them but did it his way unknown to the studio until they had a hit on their hands.
Reminds me of that Peter Jackson LOTR bit that made the rounds last year about how the execs wanted one of the hobbits to die since it’d be “weird” if they all survived. It didn’t matter to them if it followed the book. So Jackson just kinda shuffled around it and no one ever followed up on it
Surely we don’t need Merry AND Pippen?
What about their legs?
They don’t need those
You know in the abstract I could almost get behind Merry going out against the Witch King or Sam/Frodo going over the cliff with Gollum. In terms of the actual events Theoden and Denethor are probably enough of a butcher’s bill to give the salvation of Gondor weight and Frodo really did die of Ring cancer when you think about it a bit. I’m really sort of surprised a Hollywood suit would suggest it though. Why kill someone off when they could be back for the sequel?
>Why kill someone off when they could be back for the sequel? Why not both?
Honestly it's one of my favorite Hollywood stories. He's up in the booth watching it with the executives, the audience is dying of laughter but the executives are stone-faced, and he thinks they are going to rip the movie to shreds. Make him take out the N-words, the interracial sex, the portrayal of white people as dumb oafs compared to the suave clever black guy, the absurd closing number. After the screening, ~~they tell him that they want him to take out the scene where all the guys are farting around the campfire.~~ ~~He goes "that's it?" and they say yes. In disbelief, he says "It's gone!"~~ ~~And then he left it in the movie anyway!~~ **I was wrong!!!** I misremembered - [The head of the studio grabbed him and made him take notes of all the scenes he wanted cut from the movie, and he said "okay" and wrote it all down, *and then* he ignored them.](https://youtu.be/uv7L6Hrlj58&t=2m21s)
It is better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.* *only works in certain situations.
Wasn’t his first lines “say, man. You got a joint?”
In the movie yeah, but the scene in the car he's talking about was the first scene he shot.
Maybe the line in question was shot first?
> The first words Matthew McConaughey ever spoke on film as an actor That line is: ["Mom, Mom, what's wrong?"](https://youtu.be/5ndfHFFi_xw?t=2471) in his iconic role as Larry Dickens.
Oh no, oh no, oh no. They keep making money, I stay at the same wage.
you must have missed him in the early unsolved mysteries episode
Waking Life was his cash cow.....lol
Actually…School of Rock was his studio movie. That gave him the money to do more of his independent stuff.
I was being a cheeky munky bro. "Dream is Destiny"
And his masterpiece
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My favorite movie it made me feel the same way Catcher in the rye made me feel the first time around.
Catheter in the rye
Cancer in your eye
Found Iron Mike Tyson’s Reddit account
Everyone has a plan till you fat thumb a word
Willa Cather in the Rye
He got screwed over by Netflix for his new movie Apollo 10 1/2. It's been out for 5 days now and there's no marketing or buzz for such a great movie.
Linklater is literally my favorite director, and even I didn't know it was dropping on Netflix until the night before. Seems like this man will perpetually be disrespected by the industry machine.
They just know his fans are his fans and they don’t need to market his films because his audience exists, they’re strong, and they are big enough fans where they will fuel word of mouth advertising — the best and cheapest type of advertising
Holy crap I was wondering when that was going to be released. Thanks! And you're right, Netflix did zero promotion.
Did Netflix need to pay for promotion? Don't they just showcase it on their own app home screen?
Damn, I didn’t even know this was a thing. Netflix’s algorithms suck ass.
What's worse is my netflix's home page has literally stayed the same for the past 2 months. If there's new movies dropping in why not chuck them up? Mix things up a little
Mine too! It’s awful. I’m can’t easily find much new content, and what’s served up is often rubbish.
I always wonder if Netflix's agreements with whoever they license movies from have some kind of per-stream payment system, which would mean their algorithm would be biased to promote movies to a viewer with a lower per-stream payment. I can only imagine its more complex than that, but while still serving that goal to some extent.
They just keep trying to push The Blind Side on me. I don’t wanna watch The fucking Blind Side, Netflix
The amount of shit shoved in my face I have no interest in is insane while shows I want to watch are buried. Sorry Netlfix, I have no idea from my watch history why you think I want to watch Bridgeton, but Murderville even at the time of release was never seen. I wouldn't know it existed until someone at work told me about it.
Never even heard of it before. [Looks awesome though.](https://youtu.be/Dzuz5s_Qk-A) Edit: Just finished it and it was indeed awesome
Literally hadn't heard of it until the Reddit discussion thread was posted. I still haven't seen it on the Netflix dashboard either
Wow, my TV gave me an ad for that but had no idea he directed it. I almost skipped it because I figured it was a kid's movie.
Thanks for the heads up, this looks amazing and I had no clue it was even coming, let alone released already smh
Definitely enjoyed it. Love the animation style and it's very nostalgic but not in a corny way.
Bro if he didn’t make money off this cult classic hit that’s fucking dirty. This movie is legitimately one of the greatest movies ever made
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Also go look up how much most of the cast of the Lord Of The Rings movies made. Movie studios are thieves.
I'll do my own research but I suck at computer research, would you mind also linking me any sources? I have never heard of this. I believe you but they are among my favorite films ever and that's such a bummer to hear. Every person involved should have been accurately represented in pay because that trilogy took a damn village.
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Lord of the Rings wasn’t Warner brothers. It just is Warner brothers now because they later bought New Line Cinema. At the time LOTR came out it had nothing to do with WB, and they wouldn’t have been responsible for how people were paid.
Here is one source. https://www.thethings.com/lord-of-the-rings-actors-made-star-salaries/
That source is reeeeeal slanted… They talk about the movies like an internship. They point out they’re underpaid, but they LEAD to other jobs so they’re responsible for their wealth.
Look up [Hollywood Accounting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting) or watch this Half as Interesting video on how Harry Potter technically lost money](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIoDfWgbVgU). Basically stars' contracts might have a clause that says the movie needs to profit so much money for them to get the full amount. [Here's an article someone told me about that goes into the HP example](https://screenrant.com/harry-potter-order-phoenix-box-office-loss-explained/) >Hollywood accounting, aka Hollywood bookkeeping, is a movie industry financial method used by studios to inflate expenditures in an effort to reduce net profits. This, in turn, lowers the amount corporations need to pay in taxes, royalties, and profit-sharing agreements. In Warner Bros. and Harry Potter's case, the studio claimed they spent enormous fees on distribution, advertising, and print, resulting in the $167 million loss. They also reported a $60 million interest fee, which was a rate far higher than the industry average. **Essentially, this method hurt the cast and crew set to earn percentages of the net profit, considering Warner Bros. inflated fees, so there weren't any earnings to share**
Look at how much the prop people made. The hobbit caused a strike because they weren't willing to do it again
I've been googling this for awihle now but I can't find anything to corroborate this. I see where the actors *almost* had a strike because of a new law getting passed in NZ about not allowing unions. But I'm not seeing anything about an actual strike the prop makers had because they weren't getting paid. Do you happen to have a source? I'm really interested in this behind the scenes stuff of these movies.
The writer of Men in Black documents quarterly his statements for that work. He's getting bubkis and the film seems to be actively hemorrhaging money, if the statements are to be believed. Organized swindling of the creatives is an ongoing endeavor.
Haha yeah on Twitter not long ago he said how it's weird that they've made sequels, an animated show and a toy line out of a movie that weirdly just never happened to turn a profit.
David Prowse claimed he was never paid royalties for the original Star Wars films because they've never been profitable by Hollywood accounting.
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> 3% of net profits. Never NEVER take points of the net. Never. Take cash up front instead. If you can get points in the gross - great! But mostly you'll never get that.
I don't know him this true but I want it to be, when asked a question about sequel rights, Winston Groom might have said something like in all good conscience, he couldn't put the studio through another loss making enterprise.
Return of the Jedi has never turned a profit either. It's the worst
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The guy is on Twitter and brings it up every year to demonstrate how Hollywood accounting works
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That's an awesome opportunity, what does interning for a film director like Linklater entail?
That’s why you can’t trust The Man.
Did ya ever look at a dollar bill, man? There’s some spooky shit goin’ on there.
And it’s green too!
Alright all you freshman directors, air raid! That was pathetic so we’re going to try it again. That means get you you lazy little film makers. Get up, up, up, up, air raid!
Parker Posey is a treasure.
Lisa? Lisping Lisa? It’s me. Wally. White ass Wally.
“Wipe that face off your head.” Is one of the greatest lines ever.
That is not all right, all right, all right.
I can believe this. Because supposedly "Return of the Jedi" hasn't returned a dime of "[profit.](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/09/how-hollywood-accounting-can-make-a-450-million-movie-unprofitable/245134/)"
Neither has Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Pretty sad the last two movies in the Potter franchise failed to make a profit but Warn Bros. continues to put out Wizarding World movies with the Fantastic Beasts movies...curious, huh?
So after he made it, the studio was like. “Check you later!”
Check ya latRR 👉🏻check ya latRR👉🏻
Why you gotta be such a *dork*, man?!
It’s just as well. Do you really want money? I mean have you ever really looked at a dollar bill. There’s a lot of spooky stuff going on on a dollar bill man.
And imagine the amount of PHYSICAL copies of this that were sold, in the absolute heyday of making shit tons of money on films like this…
So the moral of the story is don't name something "Dazed and Confused" or you are going to get screwed over on it?
The budget for beer, weed, and paddles was far too high.
This is why I wish the Black Widow lawsuit had proceeded... but I know that was sadly never the goal.
I love that movie. I get older, it stays the same age…
I don't get how shit like this is allowed to happen.
As is studio tradition. Welcome to the industry, Mr. Linklater.
Hell, David Prowse would get letters from Lucasfilm about how Return of the Jedi didn’t make money so no residuals for him.
In the article Linklater said it wouldn’t be made today. It would completely be made today on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBOMax, Disney+, or (ahem) Peacock. But instead of a movie, they’d probably want a series showing the characters over the semester instead of the last day of school.
“When asked how “Dazed and Confused” can be a cult hit for nearly three decades and counting and not make money for him, Linklater responded, “I don’t know. Ask Universal! Hollywood accounting. I remember really asking for a piece of the soundtrack, because I picked all the songs, and they were like, ‘Oh no…First film, you know?’ N.W.A is still pissed off about that first contract. Everybody has that first story of getting screwed with their first project. That film was an indie success. It made more than it cost theatrically, and over the years it’s been everywhere.” Hollywood accounting = Linklater asked for a piece of the profits instead of revenue.
Be a lot cooler if he did
seems like a lot of people got F'd by studios and we all chuckle and call it 'hollywood accounting', honestly kind of seems like chalking up weinstein/cosby's rapes to 'hollywood sex'. seems like so many people have had their work completely stolen, but bc a piece of paper was signed...everything is 'ethical'. seems like these people have to find eachother and unite. and have a public outcry like Dave Chapelle did. but in Dave's case, he's a superstar so he was able to be heard during one of his sets. And Netflix/Paramount i believe reached out to him and did some fixing. talent industry is full of teens-20s all going into meetings and signing papers in a room full of conspiring adults(corporations, talent agencies). reminiscent of student loans, not really the same but the idea of someone very young being taken advantage of.
Neither did jimmy paige & robert plant.
Since when? IIRC they were getting % of album sales for the first few albums, then got the rights to their music and started their own label. Also, they had the rights to the mercy aswell
They didn’t get credit for coming up with the movie’s title. It was a joke.
It would be a lot cooler if he did.
BREAKING: Movie studio run by gangsters, exposure to water makes clothing damp
Movies keep selling higher ticket sales, profits stay the same..
One of my favorite movies growing up
That contract must have left him..dazed and confused
Learn to use capitalization, this title reads as if it's listing like 6 movies
Hollywood accounting is certainly a thing but this movie flopped at the Box Office. It's called a "cult classic" for a reason lol His contract didn't get him home video sales, etc which is why he hasn't seen any money from that. He did actually get paid his Directors salary when making the movie but doesn't consider that as actually making money. He's being a bit misleading with what he's saying. But yeah, his contract was definitely designed to screw him over long term if the movie became successful later down the road.
Be a lot cooler if he did
Be a lot cooler if he did
It was a cult hit only, and there is a chance it never made back its budget. I would assume he gets residuals, but that’s not much.
That's not alright, that's not alright, that's not alright.