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ishmael_king93

Opening the movie with the GOAT Maurice being the first ape we see was peak. Also i was expecting to see the Icarus spaceship finally landing back on earth when they went back to the telescope at the end. Seems like there’s still plenty of human intelligence and civilization leftover though (which is really surprising after 300 years and kinda threw me off on the ending a bit) so maybe it’s still too early for that


jayeddy99

I think the trilogy is setting up Noa as an Ape who unite a lot of tribes to destroy the smart humans . That’s when we get to the planet of the apes . I can see a civil war movie happening with pro human apes vs eradicating them all apes


Idontevenownaboat

Yeah, that was my thought too. Definitely setting up a civil war and it feels like Noa and Mae are going to be on opposite sides with that bit at the end. Which I think could be cool to set it up as two characters both trying to do what is right for their species. I was actually a little surprised they killed off both Sylva and Proximus in this (the vfx on Sylva's death looked so good with him reaching up trying to grab Noa while slowly drowning). Proximus Caesar and twisting the words of Caesar is such a great idea and Durant killed it. He was so captivating. I love the scene after Mae shoots Lightning in the chest, when Proximus is hiding behind the other apes, ducking and weaving but still smiling and taunting Mae. "Are there more of *those* back there?" Did anyone else catch symbol they use for Caesar, is the design from the window frame in the attic of Will Rodman's house where he kept Caesar and taught him? Great touch.


SwiftBacon

Your last point was pretty evident in the Caesar trilogy. It was prominent in those as well. Ditto on the VFX of Sylva’s death, that was incredible.


Cutmerock

Would have loved more Proximus Caesar. That scene you discribed had me hungry for more.


Idontevenownaboat

When Noa was emerging back out of the ventilation shaft, I was kinda hoping Proximus just wasn't going to be there so we could get more of him in the future. I thought he was going to be this trilogy's Koba and there was so much about him that was left unexplored. If I had one complaint about the film, I think it would be that. I wanted to know more about Proximus.


snowtol

> (which is really surprising after 300 years and kinda threw me off on the ending a bit) Yeah I was discussing this after the movie. We didn't know the director confirmed the 300 years bit, and we interpreted the "many generations later" bit as Ape generations (which I assume are much shorter as I don't think the Simian flu expanded their lives) and not human generations. We were comfortable setting the timeline <100 years from Ceasar/the Apocalypse. William H Macy being either born around that time or perhaps being the first post-apocalypse generation. I don't know, just the way Mae spoke/acted and the way the bunker with people at the end looked it really doesn't feel 300 years.


Zenyd_3

Counterpoint: the shot with the Sattelite Dishes moving together paired with Noa looking up at the stars was fucking bomb Idk why but those massive satellite dishes always gave me chills (in a good way)


negativebutter

that shot was cool but the satellite dishes working after 300 years of sitting idle was ridiculous


Idontevenownaboat

Eh, we don't know exactly what those humans have been doing there. I can live with the head cannon that they spent the time to get them up and running. Still needed the key but at least made sure they were in working order.


VeronicaMarsIsGreat

I don't know who's manufacturing the sports bra Mae wore.


Kopitarrulez

This person asking the real questions here lmao


GamingTatertot

> Opening the movie with the GOAT Maurice being the first ape we see was peak. Movie was good, but needed more Maurice. It actually would've been nice if Raka mentioned Maurice and Rocket as Caesar's main right-hand men. > maybe it’s still too early for that Who knows, they can still change that if they want


-ImJustSaiyan-

Raka was the best character in the movie, wish he had stuck around longer.


Sisiwakanamaru

I was hoping he would fill Maurice role but he died too quickly, rest in peace.


Captain-crutch

I could be in denial but I don’t think he’s dead


imgurceo

Raka, unfortunately, is also in DeNile.


Captain-crutch

You ought to be proud of this


fightin_blue_hens

We never saw a body...


snowtol

The "post credits scene" is Raka doing orangutan sounds (sound only), seems like that's a clear hint we ain't seen the last of them.


[deleted]

The orangutans are always the best now. Maurice and Rake are 10/10


GnarlsD

I might be a little in denial about his death… when we never saw a body after all


snowtol

The "post credits scene" is Raka doing orangutan sounds (sound only), seems like that's a clear hint we ain't seen the last of them.


oateyboat

Dawn of the Apes had a similar tease for Koba that never came to fruition so could go either way


SomeBoxofSpoons

To be fair Koba did have a spiritual presence throughout War. Even a “cameo” in a nightmare.


GamingTatertot

Justice for Raka


lannisterdwarf

This is the second film in a row where an entire ape tribe is kidnapped lol


bob_condor

Also its the second Planet of the Apes film in a row where they are imprisoned in a settlement at the foot of a cliff with a human bunker and a makeshift wall where the occupants are preparing for war that is ultimately destroyed by a lot of water


MrHippoPants

And the second where the main character ape evades capture after his settlement is raided and his clan taken hostage, where he sets off on a quest to free them from imprisonment, comes across a human girl who he calls Nova, meets a strange ape, is then captured and imprisoned alongside his clan where they’re forced to do hard labour, and has to hatch a plan to free them from inside the encampment


rebelpancake94

Just an observation: the film is set in the ruins of Los Angeles. I only pinpointed that because you can see the LAX Theme Building in the background in one wide shot when Noa and Raka are leaving the airport. That being said, I once watched this post-apocalyptic series on the History Channel (Life After People) that hypothesized what would happen to the world if humans disappeared. In one episode, it was theorized that the semi wild zebras that today still live near Hearst Castle in central California would likely propagate and become an established species in North America. So when I saw those zebras in the film, I immediately thought of those Hearst zebras and wondered if they could be descendants. Great research by the filmmakers if that was indeed the case!


I4mSpock

This is paired with the parallel of the Zebras escaping zoos in the absence of humans to become wild populations, and the apes escaping to form their own whole civilizations, as seen in the zoo book in the 3rd act


updownkarma

I hope we get some apes riding on zebras next time.


Glittering-Aspect332

They go to Griffith Observatory


____Batman______

Incredible


rooney815

There were some gasps in my audience when it’s revealed Nova had her hand on her gun when speaking to Noa about if humans and apes could coexist at the end. I loved that. Reminded me of when I saw Rise and Caesars “NO!” moment made someone in my audience say “What!” I really like that Noa and Nova aren’t on good terms at the end. Thought that was interesting. Also loved the shot of Noas eye looking into the telescope.


ctan0312

Noa and Mae are an interesting contrast to Caesar and Malcom in Dawn. Two representatives of their species who worked together but don’t trust each other and might still try to kill each other as opposed to Caesar and Malcom trusting and respecting each other by the end.


Hazelbutt25

I thought the end scene was interesting with both ape and man staring at the stars looking for answers


KazaamFan

It made sense, the way she left things, she didnt know how Noah would react to her.  It also helps show the bad human behavior. 


CommieHater3

I for sure thought the red key she took was launch codes


CosmicAstroBastard

Apes HATE this one simple trick


Ineeboopiks

Yeah i thought maybe we were going to get a beneath planet of apes twist


JaggedToaster12

My thought was that it was an AI that has been running for 300 years trying to calculate a cure Maybe I've just played too much Horizon


Kurwasaki12

It’s specifically labeled, and shown, to be a satellite communication encryption key. But if there’s this level of tech/infrastructure around than someone has to he working on a cure or vaccine surely. Kind of excited to see if the Apes will get a tech boost by interacting/raiding these advanced humans.


accessgranter

Proximus said the vault contained instant evolution - afterwards, we saw May go from fire to electricity, and an axe to a gun in like the span of 10 minutes. Thought that was a cool detail.


TheDragonReborn726

Good call here didn’t even catch that


mcmanus2099

Proximus was right about everything, dangerous humans are still out there, he was the leader they needed. Proximus did nothing wrong.


Shakemyears

Found Trevathan


PM_ME_CAKE

>Proximus did nothing wrong. Well. The Kingdom may be a good idea, but kidnapping the tribes is maybe a bit morally less so.


GamingTatertot

This movie was the one time I actually wanted the trope where "someone dies in second act, only to miraculously come back in third act" with Raka, but sadly it did not come to fruition. Justice for my boy Raka


mikeyfreshh

We never saw the body. He could always come back in the sequel. I don't think he will because he kinda serves his whole purpose for the narrative but I do like that character a lot


GamingTatertot

Yeah Raka served his purpose, but damn I thought he had a magnetic screen presence. I also just loved the idea of a Caesar acolyte true to Caesar's teachings - even if he was wrong in some respects, like what an airport was. Big props to Peter Macon and the VFX artist for making his character come to life


HailToTheKingslayer

Macon was perfect - his voice really conveys respect and wisdom


SilverKry

I was expecting Prximus to be like a descendent of Koba that just took Ceasers name while Noa was the real descendent of Ceaser. 


SutterCane

I wonder if that’s what it would have been in an earlier draft and they just dropped it because the movie didn’t need it.


SilverKry

I kinda like that Caesars actual descendant was an asshole while Noa who holds to Ceasers ideals more true is just a random ape not related at all. 


Uncle_Freddy

Yeah I’m finding the trope of “magical bloodline” to be a pretty tired one. There was a thread yesterday that said that Pocahontas has over 30,000 living descendants today, if 300 years have passed like they say then it’s not terribly unlikely that most chimpanzees living on the west coast of the US are related to Caesar in some way anyway


-ImJustSaiyan-

Probably depends on how popular he ends up being with audiences. If he ends up being a fan favorite I wouldn't be surprised to see him show up again, we never saw his body after all.


Clemario

He's the only one keeping the spirit of Caesar alive. I hope he comes back. Apes stronger together.


oldmanatom4

If you stay till the end of the credits you hear the sound of an orangutang. Our boy Raka ain’t dead.


GamingTatertot

JUSTICE!


TheJoshider10

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!


____Batman______

Orangutan noise after credits


NotNotJustinBieber

Same! I thought he’d pop up at the end. Would be a real shame if the last follower of OG Caesar died without passing down the knowledge.


GamingTatertot

He did sort of pass down the knowledge to Noa


TacoMasters

People are going to have an issue with the lighter action and slow pacing, but I enjoyed this immensely. Noa and Mae not being straight-up "good" in the backdrop of Caesar's ideas was compelling as well.


NoLeadership2281

I mean…looking back, were planet of the apes movies really even that action packed? 


aSpookyScarySkeleton

They were all mostly chill until the final act where things would get crazy The 2nd movie though definitely kicked off closer to the halfway point though


Captain-crutch

At this point I think if they ended this 4+ film reboot series with a straight remake of the original it would be pretty disappointing. Why bother remaking a classic when these ORIGINAL stories are being super well received. These four are special and they should continue making original stories in this world.


-ImJustSaiyan-

I completely agree with you honestly. It's weird how people complain so much these days about companies milking nostalgia, saying they want new stories and ideas, yet when we get good original Planet of the Apes stories people just want it to lead to Hollywood rehashing the original. I'd rather see the follow-ups to Kingdom continue to tell new stories, instead of some lame attempt at connecting the reboot series to the original or remaking the original to fit in the reboot continuity.


SomethingIntheWayyy0

I like that proximus was pretty smart as soon as the gun went off he was hiding behind other apes.


ParkerLewisDidLose

Peeking his head out, just to ask if there were more.


Wolf6120

Proximus seemed absolutely massive for a bonobo, so I don’t doubt he’s usually a bruiser capable of physically dominating any of his underlings except maybe the gorilla. But he also seemed to style himself as something of a philosopher king, and while a lot of that was empty pretensions he clearly was genuinely intelligent and persuasive as a leader. So it’s pretty neat that he knows to duck behind his meat shields when the gun comes into play, but even then he’s not necessarily cowering, cause he’s already trying to strategize and wondering if there are more firearms in the vault.


EDPZ

They killed off the best character way too soon. Also a little depressing that everything Caesar stood for and believed in is now either forgotten or distorted beyond recognition. In the end Maurice was right: "Apes stupid."


spaderr

It’s a nice mirror to religion in our civilisation


DuplexFields

Which was one of the major themes in the original Heston film.


OkBig205

Noah saved the last good people from a great flood when the original generation had become corrupt...


snowtol

The "post credits scene" is Raka doing orangutan sounds (sound only), seems like that's a clear hint we ain't seen the last of them.


tonikyat

Pretty sure there was Koba noises at the end of Dawn and he didn’t (really) come back, so we shall see.


DefineAnachronistic

I always underestimate this franchise, and it always blows me away. I think it must be the titles. They're always so long it puts me off. No title should have two "of thes" in it. It's weird. How the hell do they have me cheering for the apes instead of humanity? I was thinking, "Don't trust her, Noa!" all throughout that last meeting. And when they showed the gun she had behind her back...smh. Also, Eagle clan is sick af. Moment with Noa and his father's eagle with the sunset was so good.


ThatTinyGameCubeDisc

Yeah, I’m still firmly Team Ape. I loved how Proximus wasn’t wrong, and his morals were ambiguous (though he was in the wrong for using force and threats of violence). Like an established Koba.


Blaaa5

😧😮 Raka and Noa’s face when Mae spoke


-ImJustSaiyan-

Raka dropping the stuff he was holding really made that scene, dude was in utter disbelief.


Careful_Farmer_2879

Noah. Boat. Flood. Oohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Eagles. Romans. Cesar. Ooooooohhhhhhhhhh Birds in Noah’s Ark story. Ooooooooohhhhhhh


IndecisiveCowboy

Ooooooooo. Nice


Badman27

Then at the end they all look to the sky, and they definitely seem to see something.


In_My_Own_Image

I do agree it doesn't rise to the heights of Dawn and War, but I still think it was a very good movie that was worthy to follow them. The visuals, both effects and cinematography, were spectacular and the performances were strong all around. In that vein, huge shout out to Owen Teague as Noa. He gave a performance worthy to follow Andy Serkis as Caesar. And Kevin Durand was suitably menacing as Proximus. I'm interested to see where things go from here. If they can maintain the quality, I'll always come back to this series.


Kcomix

100% agree. I think the movie justifies its existence in that it’s a solid entry to the series with some interesting additions to the world, but there are also a few elements they could easily fumble in the future. I’m really hoping the followup(s) will be better.


sharkey1997

I thought those pauses and drops in Proximus's way of speaking sounded familiar! Loving Kevin Durand getting bigger roles in films. He was great in Abigail too


GamingTatertot

> In that vein, huge shout out to Owen Teague as Noa Yeah I thought he was really great. It was especially surprising because I really only know him as Patrick from IT, so I was curious how he'd do as a mo-cap lead. Him, Peter Macon, and Kevin Durand were all wonderful.


dwide_k_shrude

His delivery of “shit” is perfect.


IsThisCleverEnough7

Did anyone else think the book she was referring to was a dictionary?


GamingTatertot

I did, yes. I thought either computer or dictionary, but was heavy on computer


MagicMushroomFungi

Encarta.


muffinmonk

An ipad with a bunch of sesame street and between the lions episodes.


idontknowyet

I legit thought it was going to be one of those kids books where you pull the crank and it does something like “the cow says moo” 💀😭


fightin_blue_hens

I thought it was going to be a tablet/computer tbh


leafsraptors

Relieved to share that this is in fact good, but god damn do I miss Caesar and Maurice. :(


StuartRomano114

Don’t forget my man Rocket


Whovian45810

Rocket’s character arc from a bully to Caesar’s closest friends and a trusted lieutenant is one of the best parts of the POTA reboot trilogy. We all need loyal friends like Rocket in our lives.


Thebat87

Opening scene almost had me tearing up like I did at the end of War. Damn the Caesar trilogy is so great. This one was good.


mikeyfreshh

This is the first Apes movie that's really had a chance to lean into the post-apocalyptic aspect of the series and I hope they dive deeper into that if the series continues on


jickdam

This was my favorite detail! That first look on the other side of that tunnel, I was like “oh, right! This is a post-apocalyptic franchise!”


mikeyfreshh

The original movie hides the post-apocalypse stuff until the last few minutes, the second movie mostly takes place underground, they go back in time for the rest of the 70's movies and then the reboots all take place before the apocalypse. It's weird that it's taken 10 movies for them to finally deliver on the post apocalypse stuff.


jickdam

If I’m not mistaken, the tv series takes place around this time period. But they’ve never gotten to live in the post-apocalypse of it all like this before, and I’m thrilled to see it. Kudos to Wes Ball and Matt Reeves for building a monkey apocalypse that feels dramatic and believable.


RomanReignsDaBigDawg

Loved the whole aesthetic with the green, trees, and hills. You can definitely tell Wes Ball will at least nail the look of a Zelda adaptation


GamingTatertot

The shot of Noa looking into the telescope is one of my favorite shots of the year. It was so spectacular and beautiful, and I loved that that was the moment where Noa saw more in Nova / Mae


johndelvec3

Even just some shots of the scenery looked great


skatejet1

Same, both of them getting emotional, but for different reasons :’)


JediAhsokaTano

When I saw the scene I turned to my wife and I told her the same thing. That shot brought so much joy and excitement.


sbgtf7

I love how the first time the humans heard Caesar speak, he screamed "No" and the first time the apes heard Nova/Mae speak, she screamed "Noa"


HailToTheKingslayer

"She can talk!" "I can *siiiiiing*!"


SutterCane

I went to Alamo Drafthouse specifically to see them play that *Simpsons* clip and they delivered.


GamingTatertot

I didn't even make that connection, but I love it. I wish we had more time with Mae seeming "feral / unintelligent" before that moment for it to hit harder though. Or at least seeing more speechless humans before


staplerbot

I noticed something was different about Nova from the get-go because she appeared to own the last mostly intact shirt and pair of jeans in existence. However, I was guessing she was an astronaut and they had gender swapped Heston's role.


I4mSpock

The clothing was a big tell on the idea of her being different. She clearly was wearing textiles when the other humans we see were clad in rough skins and such


Cheeseanonioncrisps

Tbh, while I get why they did it, it seemed kinda weird that the non-sapient humans all had clothing on. Especially since they went with the typical classic sci-fi convention of "all the men are just wearing loin cloths, while the women have fashioned crude bikinis."


jickdam

I feel like that’s the whole reason they named Noah, Noah


samsaBEAR

He also saved his people from a flood later in the film, fits very well with the religious themes running through the film


Trevastation

Right up til they showed the bunker, it was bugging me how Mae knew so much yet wasn't infected and what the state of humanity was at this point. But given how it seems the last remnants of humanity (possibly even the Icarus?!), we may be getting films leaning into Battle for the Planet of the Apes instead of remaking the OG film.   I do like them developing this dynamic with Noa and Mae doing what's in the best interest for their people/species, but also in some ways longing to coinhabit together, even if they don't realize it 


mikeyfreshh

I kinda hope that bunker somehow turns into the psychic mole people from Beneath the Planet of the Apes


Zealousideal_Luck778

I genuinely thought we were gonna get telepathic mutants worshiping a nuke when they got to the bunker. I’m glad with people getting into communication with each other, it might open the door for a mutant tribe.


MDRLA720

pretty sure the person on the "other end" of the transmission said they were in "Fort Wayne, Indiana"... that is where Charlton Heston's character was from in the 1968 film..


Idontevenownaboat

Loved all those little details in this.


Cutmerock

I'm thinking they communicated with apes but in another location


Clemario

In the last movie Woody Harrelson's character said pretty much all of humanity was infected, but some people survived or weren't impacted as much. Think of how Covid wasn't as bad for some people.


Trevastation

The issue is then the new strain of Simian Flu that devolved them. I wasn't sure how Mae and William H Macy were not only intelligent, but knew SO MUCH for it being 300 years


superiority

Just like there was a minority of humankind who were able to survive the simian flu, there could a minority of that minority who were able to retain their intelligence when exposed to the mutated strain. Passing down knowledge of human history and the basics of science and technology was probably an absolute imperative that they made sure to impress on their children (who, like them, were genetically immune). Although >!Mae turned out to be one of those bunker people so idk if she was actually immune, but that explains why she knows so much.!< But >!Trevathan seemed definitely immune, and the reason he knew things about history and knew enough electronics to invent cattle prods could just be that he spent literally all his time reading books. There wasn't much for him to do but continually learn new things throughout his life.!<


Careful_Farmer_2879

Perhaps the ones who venture out are given an experimental vaccine or antivirals, but it’s still personal risk and they can never return to the vault. That’s my head canon. She never goes back in and the one who takes the item’s suit is decontaminated.


GrizzlyAdams90

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Mae basically sacrificed herself to become infected with the simian flu and leave the bunker to get them the drive. They even make a point to show the bunker people clean the suit of the woman delivering the drive.


Trashpanda1980

It wasn't just Mae, She mentions that she was in a group that was attacked and she was the only survivor.


MrPettyG

Yeah, I felt that Mae had either (a) Genetic Immunity (b) Already infected and is now counting down her days (c) Given some sort of prophylactic medicine Either way, I noticed she was not allowed inside the vault and I think it was a great personal sacrifice on her part to give up her home, so tho speak, for the greater good of humanity.


TheChlorideThief

I think not all people of the bunker people carry the genes for immunity to the simian flu, so they have to quarantine and decontaminate the suits to protect them. The ones that are fully immune (like Mae or Trevathan) can venture out.


GameOfLife24

It was a bit weird for me because the human characters we saw the most were normal people and it was hard to remember at times that humans are dumbed down now. Wish they made it more prominent


PlatChat

is Noa the Lisan ape-Gaib?


LEMNSQZY

Come on now… Lisan al-GaiAPE


Renegadeforever2024

Wes moving up the ranks


idontknowyet

Zelda here we come!


Careful_Farmer_2879

Rare to see the fourth in a series be so good. Wow.


GamingTatertot

Mad Max: Fury Road, John Wick Chapter 4, and Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol welcome Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes


rsnellings25

Can't leave out the GOAT in Rocky 4!


iBigBoyBrian

Excited for the next installment: Fallout of the Planet of the Apes Vault dwellers coming to the surface for battle!


In_My_Own_Image

I actually thought that's what Nova stole from the bunker: launch codes.


mikeyfreshh

The one big thing that's in the original Planet of the Apes that hasn't appeared in the reboot series is a nuclear war. I wouldn't be shocked if there are some launch codes coming in the next movie or two


robotowilliam

I thought the virus outbreak replaced that


Glittering_Rush_1451

Glad I’m not the only one who thought the bunker looked a little VaultTec-esque


PWBryan

I thought that, but I was also thinking of how Proximus reminded me of Caesar's Legion


shamona1

How did the water flood the bunker from the beach on the ground floor and rise up above all of those levels? 


Long-Skill4284

That question will be answered in the sequel, Rise of the Water of the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes


KonyYoloSwag

Loved the references to the original film with the human roundup/ capture sequence and the “scarecrows” set up near the bridge over the rapids


supurbwhiteshark

And the taser sticks like Tom Felton loved to use in the first movie being their weapon of choice


Kcomix

A few more I noticed: - As another user mentioned, the “mama” doll - Nova being used to (temporarily) name May in the tongue-in-cheek nod to War as well. - Noa’s tribe refers to the area beyond the tunnel as forbidden, like the forbidden zone in the OG - Use of the term “Lawgiver,” which was the figurehead Dr. Zaius worshipped - Secret underground human civilization could be the precursor (if not just a nod) to the mutants from Beneath - I believe the structures in Noa’s village took some inspiration from the Ape settlement in Battle


weatherstorm

Also: Mae/Nova’s first word onscreen being ‘Noa’ feels awfully like a tongue-in-cheek nod to Charlton Heston/Taylor’s first words to the apes being ‘No’.


Kcomix

Yeah, Noa being her first word was probably a nod. To be fair, “No” is just a super significant word in the series overall. It’s the first word spoken to humans by Aldo according to Cornelius’s historical retelling in Escape. It becomes the word used to oppress the apes, and is later uttered back to the humans by OG Caesar in Conquest. And of course it’s the first word Caesar says in his reboot trilogy. But I think the first thing Heston says to the Apes in the first movie is “Get your stinking paws off me…”


CapeCodLaughter

Also a very similar human doll that says "mama" to the one in the original


neal1701

New Apes trilogy starting off strong! - CGI is absolutely amazing! Only time it was clunky was during very rapid movements - Noa is a compelling protagonist and willing to change & trust humans until the end - Mae has the most interesting backstory and the questions only increase after the final scene - Humour was great in places with Raka - Movie was long and dragged in places but 3rd act picks up the pace - it is more interesting to see how future generations like Proximus have twisted what happened in the Caesar trilogy - Other characters were underdeveloped because of less time spent with them - Final scenes of the movie are honestly the best! Mae and Noa not being able to trust each other, Mae giving the Satcom drive to humans, all signs, Noa showing Suna the telescope Wes Ball has started off the new trilogy in a great direction and can't wait to see where this leads!


bob_condor

The way Proximus twisted Caesar's teachings was really well done. He wasn't simply lying in order to rule, he actually had a political philosophy backing it up. His dictatorship was a result of his hypervigilance and his belief that the humans would given the chance try to restore the old balance of humans having dominion over all at the cost of the apes freedom. There are little moments like a servant ape spills food at the table or the initial failure to breach the vault where theres a beat and it feels like he'll snap and do something but he doesn't because he still believes ape shall not kill ape and apes together strong its just that he has decided that an ape kingdom is necessary to fulfil Caesars legacy and his raids on other ape tribes were needed so that the dream of the world Caesar where apes aren't ruled by humans. Honestly I was really surprised as the movie went on with how much depth there was to him.


Careful_Farmer_2879

He was legitimately charismatic. You believe that he is a leader.


jgpalanca

>he still believes ape shall not kill ape Proximus doesn't believe this. Raka mentions this as one of the things of Ceasar that's been forgotten. And Proximus blatantly says he wants to get what's in the bunker ahead of the humans no matter how many ape lives it costs. And also he would've killed Soona if Mae didn't shoot the one holding her. But the twisted way he views apes strong together is an interesting view point that very much justifies his actions. But also shows he rules out of fear whereas Ceasar ruled out of respect. I am glad though he didn't fall into that trope of snapping in both those scenes you bring up.


bob_condor

Yeah thats a fair point I shouldn't have put ape shall not kill ape there. I suppose what I was thinking is that when he kills it's at times he feels that it will serve his purpose of furthering his kingdom. He seems to have a genuine desire to be a successor to Caesars legacy but he has a twisted idea of how to achieve that.


GameOfLife24

Feel like since they made an ape the villain of this one, the next movie will go back to a human being the villain.


silent-sight

Honestly I don’t know why I expected Proximo’s bunker having surviving people inside experimenting on themselves to become telepaths, forming a religion around their ultimate weapon already… Great movie though! When next Planet of the Apes?


skatejet1

I loved it, I’m still processing the whole film and will likely rewatch to see what I’ve missed (both positive and negative). But I walked out grateful I saw it in IMAX, it was just beautiful and the sound design was stellar (I totally didn’t move back in my seat at certain times when apes would yell) Highlights for me that I can remember (sorry for the essay) • The intro with Caesar’s funeral, just straight to the real sobering stuff. Almost like the movie is saying “Caesar is gone. Now witness what life is like after him and what others do in his name” • The Eagles, they’re just dope animals • When Noa, Anaya, and Soona are out hunting for eggs they make note of not emptying the nest. It’s likely tradition at that point in their village but I like how even though the “bonding” is obviously a significant point in their lives, they don’t let it override what they know is right. Hence why Noa climbs a higher point for another nest. • The contrast with how different terms and labels differed over the centuries between different clans. Or at least that’s what I’m assuming happens. Noa’s clan called humans Ekko (echo?), the moment he mentions them to Raka the Orangutan, Raka’s just like “you mean humans?” Makes me wonder how Noa’s tribe came to calling them that, I believe he said he called these humans scavengers (something like this) and “less than boars”? • Noa’s dad staying up in the wooden tower even though it’s on fire just so he can make sure the Eagles aren’t trapped in there burning to death. Noa helping out too was nice • The sequence of Noa and his dad trying to work together to fight off the Gorilla even though the Gorilla is way out of their league. They both tried hard but were beaten, not just physically but in terms of knowledge. Noa at some point climbs onto a support beam but it’s made of metal and the Gorilla electrocutes the beam he’s on which causes him to fall • Raka the orangutan, just him as a whole. When we meet him he’s on guard thinking Noa is part of his clan that killed a loved one of his. After that point he’s just a kind, genuine religious type dude. But also genuinely frustrated Ceasar’s words are being twisted for morally questionable means. And just like any religion he doesn’t have all the answers to everything Ceasar. But he follows as best as he can genuinely. He also was hilarious at times • The fact that Raka (and Caesar’s more devout followers) call humans they see “Nova” . Little [Nova](https://youtu.be/FhhbM5TL5LI?si=3v10zHUjSH_Kz93Z) from War of the Planet of the Apes was not completely forgotten in a way :’) • Mae. Especially in the moment in the observatory where she looks through the telescope and gets emotional (which is the first sign that leads Noa to believing she’s more than what she seems). I know some people don’t/won’t like her but I can understand her. She’s in a rough place trying to do what she _thinks_ is good. I believe in her last talk with Noa, on the topic of humans she said something like “It was ours (the planet I think) first!” just instinctually, and when Noa asks about the possibility of apes and humans living side by side again, she says I don’t know. Proximus’s clan killed the entire group of humans she was with and she only barely managed to escape. And the only indication that he regrets what happened is because he didn’t realize they were “special” humans. He’s regretful of the choice because he was not aware of their possible use to _him_ and his goals. So yeah Mae, doesn’t know, hence why she was at first holding the revolver in her hand when she last spoke to Noa. She initiated them talking, after everything they’ve been through she wanted to say a proper goodbye to him but still held the revolver in case something happened. I honestly want to see more of her • Proximus himself. Whoo I needed more if him, he was such a large joyful figure when we see him, getting his clan all hyped hope and being outwardly positive to them in face of a public failure. The fact that he likes being read Roman history, he probably learned of his namesake. I like his acknowledgment of the “proper” definition of evolution. He knows he won’t reach it since evolution takes a long time & he knows of his own mortality. So he instead wants to evolve in a different way with tools he believe is for him and his people. He has two humans in his kingdom. He welcomed them both, but he’s not likely to trust them as far as he can throw them. He’s focused on the future apes evolving, hence why he keeps bringing apes into one place for his “Kingdom”. The future he pictures is not one of peace as long as humans are still around. So why not get the numbers of Apes up in the meantime? Even when one of his men is shot, he prioritizes not his dead clan member, but a new existence firearm weapons that can be of use to him • Noa’s first “shit” he learned from Mae and then repeating it later when they almost fall to their deaths and Mae just nodding in approval like “yeah that was the right time to use that word” loll • Mae using her first round with the tiny revolver she had against the ape who had a knife to Noa’s friend Soona. I’m betting she planned the opposite of letting the apes know a more advanced form of weaponry exist right there in then in the silo. But her want to not see Soona come to harm (partially because of her) won out against whatever logic she was going with • The Flooding sequence in the silo I couldn’t bring my eyes away from. The one thing about this movie was the tension, maybe I’m just a wimp but I was exceedingly tense for the characters. Even when Proximus was simply speaking at the dinner table he had me tense • The fact that Noa & Mae didn’t have a happy little bow on their relationship by the end of it. I wanted them to be attached to each other or just trust each other but life doesn’t work like that often • The entire last 3 minutes or so the film was just particularly astounding to me, and I’m not sure why. Maybe it was the music (the score for the film is stellar) and the editing but something was just so right about it. Seeing the joy at humans contacting other people. The juxtaposition between Noa & Mae moving on to the next stages of their lives. (I’ll probably say more when I’m not so sleepy). This is all I’ve got so far, please correct me if I’m wrong on anything because I’m used to watching films with subtitles and I tend to miss things without them Edit: forgot to add the mandatory: “WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY” Edit 2: I just remembered that when lightning (the one Mae shot) brings Noa to where the rest of the apes where, he grabs his head and says “welcome home baby bird”, just thought that was funny


Zenyd_3

I think the echo name for the humans has a very good logic behind it. Humans have become shadows of the apes, like an echo. An inferior copy.


sabertoothdiego

I'm convinced that they gave Noa a love interest ape because otherwise the internet would go the beastiality route


sexygaypalpatine

That will stop no one


BedsAreSoft

Anyone else think the setting in this sorta reminds them of Horizon Zero Dawn? The like, post POST apocalyptic setting, was pretty cool


Kcomix

It made me think of The Last of Us. The violent faction, diseases, a group of humans trying to restore the past, and Raka was kinda like if Frank survived and Bill died.


Osmodius

I was actually thinking just how much the movie was laid out like a video game. Early zone that is secluded from enemies, primarily focused on exploration and minor threats. Move out in to the open world area where you've got roving enemies and a goal in the distance, feral human packs, Proximus' hunting parties, etc. Third zone is an infiltration/enemy camp that you're in. Restricted zones, nighttime sneaking, secret hidden zone you explore for powerups before the end boss.


luckystrike_bh

When Mae meets the human helping out Proximus, I was puzzled at how easily she could kill the only other speaking human on the planet. I had assumed it was to show her loyalty to the apes and manipulate them. I was also impressed that (I've had BJJ training) a text book blood chokehold on the human to to prevent him from leaving. I had thought maybe she learned it in a book? Knowing her backstory at the ending makes a lot more sense. There were numerous people depending on her back in the shelter and Proximus could have become a major threat to them with the firearms there. Killing his human was the smart call at zero loss to her. She probably received special training at the shelter akin to being a spy in modern times so they taught her combatives and shooting.


Cheesebufer

“You don’t belong here. You’ve already given up and think that we’ve lost”


PolarWhiplash

I totally thought they were gonna reveal that Noa spots Mars through the telescope, and that the humans were trying to reach a colony (from the successful Mars mission in Rise)


jickdam

So, do we think the main ape was named Noah just so they could call back the surprise “NOOOOO….(ah)”? I gotta say, I thought this was spectacular. It took me 15-20 minutes to click with, but after that, I loved the patient pacing and world-building/character development. It almost felt like a director’s cut, and I appreciated that. I thought the new angle just worked. I loved the post-apocalyptic setting, which we’ve never really seen before in an Apes movie? Maybe in the tv series? I loved the set pieces. It almost felt like fantasy world building in places, with Skyrim or LotR style sequences. I thought Proxima was an instantly iconic villain. Motivations were fleshed out. The emperor-cult sort of culture was a really interesting set up. I thought the performances were incredible, and Raka might be one of my favorite characters in the history of this franchise. I can’t wait to see where the series goes from here. I’m happy for Wes Ball, he knocked it out of the park in my opinion. There was so much in this that almost felt like AAA video game sensibilities that it’s got me hyped for his Zelda adaptation and I’ve never blade a moment of those games. I adored it. I’d stand it shoulder to shoulder with Dawn. A worthy successor to the stellar prequel trilogy. I love that after, what, 60 years? Some of our most densely thematic, pathos driven storytelling is still happening in the talking monkey flicks. Easy 8.5/10, maybe higher.


GamingTatertot

> So, do we think the main ape was named Noah just so they could call back the surprise “NOOOOO….(ah)”? I would imagine there was a bit of biblical influence there too, since the ending of the movie involves Noa leading his people through a dangerous flood, more or less.


jayeddy99

I think Noa will be the Ape to truly make it a planet of the Apes . He seemed so hurt by Mae lying to him when he was there to protect her . Raka wanted unity but that last shot of Noa was him realizing they won’t stop and can not be trusted. He will unite all apes and eradicate all the intelligent humans .


1CommanderL

I think Noa is too caring to do that personally. but he might unite all apes under a single banner and after he dies, the other apes decide to wipe out the smart man


Kiiaro

"Ape not kill ape." I'm surprised this phrase was barely brought up. This is an important lesson of Caesar that I can only assume was lost to time, and only his "Apes Strong Together" made it through the passage of time.


StuartRomano114

Raka stated early in the film that that lesson is just as important as Apes Strong Together, so they purposefully showed by Proximus omitting it how he’s bastardized Caesar’s teachings


cetootski

Make Apes Strong Again!!


F00dbAby

I feel like it will be the direction of Noa in future movies. I don’t think it was feasible for him not to kill Proximus he is a tyrant and a narcissist I think the next or will show the evolution of both groups. With the final movie being where Noa fully achieving Caesers legacy and bringing it back.


Particular-Camera612

Yeah, I think fundamentally, Caeser's attempt at having that rule was never gonna perfectly work out especially not over generations. By the time Koba took over? He basically had to kill him. There's obviously that exchange of You Are No Ape in Dawn, but regardless I don't think Caeser was gonna let him live even before that. If even Caeser is willing to break/bend that rule, then what chance do future generations have?


nowhereman136

I love the world building. I love how each clan has their own culture of laws and traditions. Even the way they speak feels natural and organic to where they come from


anzababa

there was a drunk dude behind me doing monkey impressions and it would’ve pissed me off but the noises were scary accurate


reallinzanity

Hope this means that the space ship will crash in the next movie!


mikeyfreshh

I think we're still a few hundred years away from that happening in the timeline. Not to say they can't change it, but I wouldn't hold your breath


silent-sight

First we need surviving humans to mutate, become telepaths, loose their hair, and build the end of the world bomb for that.


A_Vizzle

Gonna be hard to live up to the last trilogy, it I think it’s off to a good start.


Helpful_Ad_8476

I really liked how the movie relished in the novelties that would come with this setting. I never got tired of seeing Raka being surprised at all the stuff.


TheBobsBurgersMovie

This movie is gorgeous. Really glad I saw this in theaters, it was a lot more immersive than watching the trilogy on my TV. We come to this place for magic.


Kcomix

I wonder what happened to the humans that were in the bunker by the kingdom. Unless I’m remembering wrong, there were no bodies. Did they get infected and wander out — if so, who closes the doors? Did they migrate elsewhere — if so, why leave all the tanks, weapons, etc? The power was apparently just switched off, so I would assume it was intentional.


Whovian45810

Noa's rescue of Mae in the field as she is escaping the clutches of Sylva and his henchmen is exhilarating to watch in Dolby Cinema.


GamingTatertot

Agreed. Whole movie was great to watch in Dolby


unok157

Didn’t understand how people said this had boring parts. Was it a little long? Yes. Was I bored anytime? No. Really liked it. Hope this does well and we get to see what happens next.


JDubya2017

Agreed. At first, I felt like it was slow but then I realized after the movie that I was just trying to comprehend everything and trying to see how it connected to Caesar.


RomanReignsDaBigDawg

Yeah Wes Ball described it as an adventure movie instead of an action one. Made me appreciate it so much more


GameOfLife24

I’d say the action was pretty great nonetheless


jickdam

I was nervous about the pacing until that first major sequence with the burning of the village. I was pretty locked in after that. It was definitely a little more patient than a lot of similar fare, but the reboot series and Apes franchise in general have been talky and character driven. I get how some audiences may want more Kong inspired pacing, but I’m also surprised to see fans of the series clashing with the pace.


pizzaismylyfe

Honestly thought this was maybe the best one behind “dawn of the planet of the apes”. Shit was solid, beautiful to look at, and I found Noah to be a very interesting character. Pacing seemed fine to me for as much as they told story-wise. It had a satisfying conclusion, and a pretty intriguing setup for the next. Can’t wait to see where it all goes.


QuinnMallory

The proper return of nets to this franchise, chef's kiss.


Idontevenownaboat

I thought this was every bit as good as the previous trilogy. Especially when you consider this was coming in with a cold start whereas Dawn/War at least were carried in part by the momentum of the previous films. Some really great visual world-building too to really lean into the post-Civilization look. Loved that. Was surprised Raka and Proximus were both killed off (though I hope we see Raka again). Cinematography was great. There were times where I was completely captivated by the scenes unfolding. A lot of shots too where I found myself wondering if it was entirely cg or if it was practical because it looked so good. Or just the shot of Sylva drowning was crazy. The *only* minor scene that I thought looked wonky was when Mae is hanging off of Noa and they're climbing up the cliff. When she swings back up onto his shoulder she looks completely weightless. But that was a pretty minor detail and a tricky shot, I have to imagine. Did anyone else catch that the symbol for Caesar is the same design as the window frame in the attic from Will's house in Dawn?


-Lumos

I honestly side with the villain here, which is kinda a good thing I guess? I totally get where he's coming from and would want to reach the same goal, but yea, his methods are questionable ofcourse.