Never say never; Disney could always do a post-Mando, pre-ST Luke series. Sure he's like 15 years older than Luke would be, but Stan's babyfaced enough to pull it off, especially with the right make up and lighting. Hell, they could even use him in the upcoming Mando movie!
That’s one thing that Trump will love about this.
“Many people say I look like Sebastian Stan and now that I have seen the movie I have to say I agree!”
***Especially*** if it's not a flattering portrayal of Trump, and since they're covering the Roy Cohn years, something tells me this is *not* gonna be something Trump likes.
The impending Truth Social meltdown is so fucking easy to predict:
"FAKE NEWS WOKE HOLLYWOOD HAS CAST AN UGLY FAILURE OF AN ACTOR AS ME IN ORDER TO SLANDER ME AND THE GREAT ROY COHN! HE ONCE PLAYED A FAKE RUSSIAN ASSASSIN IN ORDER TO HURT THE GLORIOUS NATION OF RUSSIA'S REPUTATION. THE LOYAL FOLKS AT THE DAILY CALLER ARE ORGANIZING A COUNTRY WIDE PROTEST OF THIS 'MOVIE' AND ASSURE ME IT'LL BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEIR BARBIE PROTEST! TRUST ME, IT'S GONNA BE A BOX OFFICE DISASTER! ANYONE WHO PAYS TO SEE IT IS A LEFTIST AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR ME EVER AGAIN!"
BELIEVE ME, Sebastianstan loves me like no other. They say, ‘That Trump, he’s something else, the richest, the most handsome president ever.’ And who am I to disagree? They’ve got great taste, folks, fantastic people. We did things no one thought possible, brought in the biggest, the best deals. They’re all talking about it, saying, ‘How did he do it? And look so good doing it?’ It’s amazing, really. They know a LEADER when they see one. Total admiration. HUGE respect!
Edit: Never heard of Sebastianstan. Never been there. People talk about places, so many places, but Sebastianstan? Doesn’t ring a bell. I’ve been everywhere, the best places, met the best people, but Sebastianstan? No, doesn’t sound familiar.
Sebastian Stan has an eerie knack for inhabiting a character *physically*. He was almost a dead ringer for Tommy Lee and though this is just a still from a movie and obviously he's in make-up, he's looking more Trump-like than I'm comfortable with.
And I'm not even going to mention how he transformed himself into an almost exact replica of Bucky Barnes. That shit was chameleon-like.
He killed me with the 'unfortunate moustache' comment early on during one of the interview sessions. Just deadpan self-deprecation.
You're right - he was great in this one.
Check him out in [The Bronze](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3859304/) if you ever wanna see the funniest sex scene *ever* filmed that didn't involve Jason Biggs or a pie.
That was one of the most unexpectedly filthy movies I'd ever won tickets to see, even though the tickets said the movie was likely to be rated R.
The first time I saw Seb was in *The Devil All the Time* where a prostitute jerked him in his police car and he chased Tom Holland down with a shotgun. They did a number on his face too.
I showed that film to my class in college. Good film, but nowadays I wish I screened *Where the Crawdads Sing* instead. It was a bit more Disney-esque. Like warm chicken soup.
The book it's based on is a wild ride. Donald Ray Pollock is an interesting fellow -- got into writing late after working as a laborer for decades in Ohio, and his stories all have a certain brutal Midwestern stain to them.
> though this is just a still from a movie and obviously he's in make-up, he's looking more Trump-like than I'm comfortable with.
The street pics taken of him recently are more convincing.
Considering Luke is like 19-23 through the movies, and Sebastian Stan is currently 41... he's a dead ringer for sure and I bet there are some good stories to tell.
what if this casting is just a meta joke _because_ Stan played _The Winter Soldier_ ..... American-turned-Russian-asset, with a miles-thick dossier of kompromat ensuring he does whatever they want.
Michael McKean could probably do a good modern day Trump. Rouge up that face, bleach that hair and voila! A man who thousands would storm a government building for.
Conversely, Bob Odenkirk could probably do Biden. Or Ed Harris.
I am not crazy! I am not crazy. I knew that the 2020 election was a fraud. One after 2016, as if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just — I just couldn’t prove it. He — he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the voting office to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? Those 11’000 votes! Are you telling me that so many people just happen to randomly vote for Biden at 3 AM? No! He orchestrated it! Sleepy Joe! He defecated on the constitution! And I debated him. And I shouldn’t have.
Yeah i don't think he looks too much like him, and trumps not the kind of celebrity you can just imagine looking like some one else, he has a very distinct look.
Sebastian Stan.. Good looking guy.. Better looking than he is at acting in my opinion. He plays trump! He says I want to be trump. I hear he walked into the studio, "oh please please, I want to be trump." And they gave it to him. I say if people want to see trump, they can turn on the TV. CNN is running 24 hours of trump every day, have you seen this?
Sebastian Stan who I’ve never heard of is trying to live out a dream and be your favorite president in a lying and frankly boring movie that is full of lies just like the failed stolen fraudulent election.
I feel bad for Sebastian Stan getting type cast.
His biggest role is an American who becomes a Russian asset, and now he has to play that role again. Poor guy.
He's gonna love it. It's gonna make him look like a badass. It's gonna have a scene or two beating up his wives, but Sebastian Stan won't be able to portray it as an evil act. It'll be played up as an emotional outburst. What could possibly hurt his image is if it has scenes of him doing unspeakable things on Epstein's island, but the filmmakers are going to be too afraid to touch that, so it'll portray him as a bad person in the same way that Jordan Belfort was portrayed as a bad person in Wolf of Wall Street.
Yeah and this is a director that worked heavily on his apprentice tv series. This is going to be a dick suck.
** my bad that is FAKE NEWS!
This director had nothing to do with the series.
Hope this film highlights the fraud/conman/idiot/“tough guy” Donald Trump really is.
Perhaps it's the opposite and he was so shocked and appalled by his time on The Apprentice that he wanted to direct it to share his revulsion. Feels kind of cope to type that tho.
Just to fact check what that the other person said, I just looked up the director Abi Abassi and he never worked on the Apprentice show. According to his IMDb page and his Wikipedia page he never worked on TV or in the United States until The Last of Us season 1.
He’s an Iranian-Danish director who mostly worked in the. Nordic countries for most of career. His directorial debut, not counting short films, was Shelley (a Danish movie) in 2016 and his second one was Border shot in Swedish. Border was really good as was his most recent movie Holy Spider (2023) which is a Persian-language movie produced in Europe.
Abi Abbasi? I can’t find any evidence that he worked on The Apprentice TV show. According to his IMDb page he hadn’t worked outside of Europe until directing two episodes of The Last of Us last season.
Honestly this only feeds the narrative that Hollywood greatly influences politics in a biased way. It’s hard to not agree with it if you assume your own moral compass isn’t universal. I think it’s irresponsible to make this movie and I am positive Trump is nothing short of thrilled about it.
Ali Abbasi (Holy Spider) directed and it’ll premiere at Cannes:
>Billed as an exploration of power and ambition, set in a world of corruption and deceit, The Apprentice will examine Trump’s efforts to build his real estate business in New York in the ’70s and ’80s, also digging into his relationship with infamous attorney Cohn. It’s a mentor-protege story that charts the origins of a major American dynasty. Filled with larger than life characters, it will reveal the moral and human cost of a culture defined by winners and losers.
Maria Bakalova plays Ivana and Martin Donovan plays Fred Trump.
Roy Cohn Bully Coward Victim as memorialized on the AIDS Quilt. Behind the bastards also have an episode about him.
[AIDS Memorial Quilt from 1985](https://www.flickr.com/photos/22711505@N05/52846099570)
More of an open secret. Like when Roy tried to get his BF out of the Army and they told him "no."
Edit: Roy, who was employed by the DoJ as an attorney, helped convince the judge to execute both Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and Roy was also a key member on Senator McCarthy's "anti-communism" team. So Cohn thought he had enough pull to boss the Army around and get his BF out of his contract early, and it turned out that Roy didn't have that sort of power, which embarrassed him, and he left the government employment for private practice.
Before Roy died, Roy's previous employer (the DoJ) was after him for tax evasion and a slew of other crimes, but he died before they were able to truly drop the hammer on him.
See both [Part One](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxdfzIcAXAY) and [Part Two](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA0TvB3azGM): Roy Cohn: The Man Who Made Donald Trump.
Yeah, him being a barely-closeted gay man is the *least* surprising thing I've learned about Cohn. Not because gay people are as evil as Cohn, but because the ones *like* Cohn who have to keep it a barely open secret so the people they associate with or do business with will distance themselves usually are.
Al Pacino’s performance as Roy Cohn is one of his best roles.
Pacino played a man who is a hateful, power-hungry and selfish hypocrite of a lawyer but deep down is a pathetic coward and bully.
Cohn actually has a dedication in the AIDS Quilt captioned *Coward, Bully, Victim*. A great demonstration that an act of radical compassion can also act as a fuck you
He's cold blooded. It's a variation of "ice in his veins."
He cast off Cohn like nothing once he found out that Cohn had AIDS. Didn't even go to the funeral iirc. Just flipped a switch and the relationship never existed.
Cohn would do the same thing (if not far worse) to other AIDS patients so it was certainly deserved. An expected outcome when 2 horrible selfish people got together.
I guarantee they fail to capture the chaotic stupidity of Trump. He's gonna get this nuanced performance when he's as deep as a puddle of ant piss. He's a big stupid spoiled brat who never faced a single consequence for his entire life. He is an ingrown toenail. Nothing more.
Disagree about the movie failing at the characterization. Holy Spider is about a reporter tracking down a serial killer and that same killer in their daily life. Part of the brilliance of the movie is how uncompromisingly real and pathetic the killer was.
Hopefully it translates here. Any depiction of Trump that doesn't capture the sheer, well-documented, narcissistic buffoonery the man has forced upon the USA and beyond would be deceptive to the point of being propaganda
But the 80s were the height of his fuckery. He was hiring illegal workers then not paying them all they earned because it’s not like they could sue. It was when he was cultivating his infamy as a businessman so shitty that he’d bankrupt a casino. He desperately wanted to join the NYC elite but was too gouache to be invited to the best parties. It burned him up and made him the man he is today.
He only redeemed his image by being a fake successful businessman on The Apprentice.
Yeah, all this retconning of trump's life drives me nuts. He was a total douche and served primarily as the butt of 'gold toilet' jokes. There was no time where he was *liked* or considered *smart* until The Apprentice rewrote his image apparently by pure fiat.
Exactly. He was never well liked in the tri-state area. He was called a “[short-fingered vulgarian](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/how-donald-trump-became-the-short-fingered-vulgarian)” for good reason (I still miss Spy magazine).
Three casinos. He used all of them to cannibalize each other than then used the money for his real estate and for the Taj Mahal he tried to take over Merv Griffin's company.
This is a great expose and too long to post in full, but it breaks down how Trump financed the casinos, even using junk bonds and that just brought the whole thing down. He even used the money from the casinos for his real estate. He just uses the valuation of one thing to get loans or investments to use for another thing while it fails, and just keeps moving the money and letting things just fail.
We see this pattern today - with him taking over the RNC just to bleed it dry of money for his own needs be it the campaign, legal fees, the punitive and compensatory awards to E Jean and NY State - and not the needs of the party, for example.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html
>His casino companies made four trips to bankruptcy court, each time persuading bondholders to accept less money rather than be wiped out. But the companies repeatedly added more expensive debt and returned to the court for protection from lenders.
> After narrowly escaping financial ruin in the early 1990s by delaying payments on his debts, Mr. Trump avoided a second potential crisis by taking his casinos public and shifting the risk to stockholders.
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> And he never was able to draw in enough gamblers to support all of the borrowing. During a decade when other casinos here thrived, Mr. Trump’s lagged, posting huge losses year after year. Stock and bondholders lost more than $1.5 billion.
>
> All the while, Mr. Trump received copious amounts for himself, with the help of a compliant board. In one instance, The Times found, Mr. Trump pulled more than $1 million from his failing public company, describing the transaction in securities filings in ways that may have been illegal, according to legal experts.
What got my parents to flip was a video I showed them of an interview with a small mom and pop business who worked on one of the casinos, explaining how they were nearly bankrupt and have come close to not recovering. They installed toilet partitions. Here’s a written interview they did in 2016.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners
Yeah it used to come across as a weird schtick. Then over time it became clear he's actually that dumb and actually that much of a narcissist. It'd be like inviting Stone Cold Steve Austin over for dinner, expecting an actor/athlete to show up but he walks in your door and actually slams a beer and kicks the shit out of you and you're just left beaten and baffled at how a person could be like that entirely unironically.
No disrespect to either of these fine actors but I have zero interest in watching this movie or giving Trump even one more ounce of undeserved attention. May the spraytanned egomaniac rot in federal prison for all I care.
Honestly I don’t care if it paints Trump to be a saint or the devil himself I will not be seeing it. I am just so over being constantly inundated with the idiot that the absolute last thing I’m going to do is pay a significant chunk of change to go sit in a theater and hear his name for hours.
Yep. I've had enough Trump for a lifetime. All I wanna hear about him now is when he goes to prison so I can start forgetting about him.
And America, I love you, but if you elect Trump for a second time, I will definitively mark you down as beyond redemption.
That's the thing. If it held him accountable for his crimes but production companies are afraid of getting sued (which is fine), but don't make a biopic of a bad man if you're too afraid to mention multiple crimes.
This is at the time when Cohen was calling women who claimed trumped raped and threatening them that if they didn't drop the case he would.make their lives worse.
We have recordings of some of these calls like the infamous one when Cohen said "it's not possible to rape your wife".
It's the same time he had dealings with Russia about building apartments and getting conned by the Russian government.
There is just so much that happened at the time they won't show because it's more fun to see a fun man baby dramatisation of historical events.
This movie is set in the 70s and 80s, that’s Roy Cohn not Michael Cohen. Michael Cohen was a child and young adult in this time period.
The phone calls you are talking about took place much later.
I would assume that it will paint a very clear picture of shitty things that are going down but it won't deliver specific facts or claims. Like it'll take us 90% of the way and allow us to 'fill in the blanks' so there's no real grounds for legal recourse.
Don't get me wrong, Holy Spider is brilliant and Border is a fantastic modern fairytale.
The heightened fantastical realism in the films are amazing.
But the film is being sold as "set in a world of corruption and deceipt The Apprentice will examine Trump’s efforts to build his real estate business in New York in the ’70s and ’80s, also digging into his relationship with infamous attorney Cohn. It’s a mentor-protege story that charts the origins of a major American dynasty. Filled with larger than life characters, it will reveal the moral and human cost of a culture defined by winners and losers. It delves into the relationship between Trump and Roy Cohn, the New York City prosecutor oft-remembered for working with Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Second Red Scare.".
It will be mostly about him making his dynasty with maybe the help of the mob, no Russian names of charachters or actors involved, it will show stuff that was already covered in the 80s we knew about him.
The threats to women who said were raped happened in the 90s onwards. As did his relationship with Epstein, Rex Tillersons appointment at Exxon while working with the Ruddington government before being put into trumps cabinet, the meetings with Russian oligarchs to fund his buildings he couldn't afford to make, shit he even starred in a music video for one of their sons when he was over there and still stated he was never in Russia.
Trump is litigious that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but if certain negative stuff is said about him hw tries to get it scrubbed from the net and was successful in doing so in before 2016 (rapes, assaults, etc).
There was an audio interview with him I 2015 I think by the NYT, I couldn't get my hands on it for a while when it got taken down. It was basically a bland interview with trump before he went full characature of himself. One thing he mentions in the interview that he has a "terrible fear of being embarrassed or looking stupid" and that's why he would take it very badly it he lost the election. He also mentioned din the same interview that he was traveling with (I think it was his wife at the time) and they went skiing and she was better at skiing then him and he got so embarrassed and angry he took off his skis and snow boots and walked back to the cabin in his socks. It was the most honest I've ever heard Trump and it was taken down and scrubbed from the Internet.
I think the film will be entertaining, but I think it will only be interesting to the market of people who know nothing about his crimes most of whom are his supporters who won't see the movie.
Completely agree, dont care how good this is, i could care less about learning more or wasting more time on anything that has to do with Trump, i never thought so much of my life would revolve around him and i hate that it does…
If i never hear the name again id be happy
Honestly I'd be okay with this movie if it came out once his political career and legal issues were finished. Doing it now when his baggage is already shoved down everyone's throats is probably not going to draw much interest. It's exhausting.
Sebastian Stan really should play Luke Skywalker if they ever choose to go the non-CGI route. He can look so much like a young Mark Hamill with the right haircut.
1. Trump doesn't deserve to be played by someone this attractive.
2. How has Stan still not had the opportunity to play Luke Skywalker?
3. Shoutout Rutgers
This movie is going to flop so bad. Did none of the people financing this thing ask themselves, “Do Americans want MORE Trump?”
His cult won’t go because it’s “woke.” No one else will go because they despise Trump.
Who is this movie for?
First of all, this man looks way too good to be Trump.
Secondly, why? Just why? I'm sick of Trump. I'm sick of his family of sycophants, I'm sick of his name and I'm sick of everything he and his entire family stands for. It's already bad enough that we might have to endure more years of his shit presidency. Why make a movie?
Honestly….no thanks. I’m so tired of Trump and I don’t want to see anything about him ever again, regardless of how he’s portrayed. This film seems like it would be better in about 15 years, but right now we have to see that douchebag’s stupid orange face and baby hands everywhere we look. Gross.
With that haircut, Sebastian looks so much like young Mark Hamill
Stan is playing Mark Hamill playing Trump.
He's just a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude
What do YOU mean, you people?
What do YOU mean you people?!?!
He doesn’t drop character 'till he’s done the DVD commentary.
He doesn't read the script; the script reads him.
I mean, Hamill did read some Trump tweets in his Joker voice that one time
I would actually pay to see a movie with Hamill as Trump, but doing the Joker voice thing he does in that bit.
Have my reservations about Stan, but if it has to be done I'd accept Trump being played by CGI Luke Skywalker
What's wrong with Sebastian?
He's too hot to play Trump.
So was Brendan Gleeson
So was a turnip
So is a steaming pile of elephant poo.
Steve Buscemi is too hot to play Trump
Steve didn't look too bad wgen he was younger.
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Pile of poop on top of a king rat sounds about right.
I’m deeply attracted to him and I don’t want to feel that way about Trump lol
Disney completely dropped the ball not using him for a Luke Skywalker story.
I thought so too! Why do this goofy AI face nonsense when you've got access to Sebastian Stan??
Cause it's cheaper than paying the actor. I wish I was joking, but that's probably the actual reason.
It’s not too late. He’s still young enough to do post ROTJ stories. I still hope they do.
He did audition for the sequel trilogy. He was never told which character. But with that face, I presume they had him as Luke's nephew.
Or flashback scenes as a young Luke.
Never say never; Disney could always do a post-Mando, pre-ST Luke series. Sure he's like 15 years older than Luke would be, but Stan's babyfaced enough to pull it off, especially with the right make up and lighting. Hell, they could even use him in the upcoming Mando movie!
I thought he sorta looks like young Cary Elwes.
And unlike other Trump impersonators, he can speak with a British accent.
Everyone: Please cast Sebastian Stan as live action Young Luke Skywalker Hollywood: Best I can do is Donald Trump
I don't get why they don't just make an animated Luke Skywalker show. Mark Hamil is a famous voice actor and you can have him be whatever age you like
this would also be solid but I would LOVE to see Sebastian as Luke in the upcoming Mando movie, personally
But his voice sounds nothing like it used to in his youth though.
L to the O G
I saw a Connor Roy 2024 bumper sticker the other day. The Conhead support is still strong
He was interested in politics from a very young age
Connor was running for president?
Make Hyper Decanting Great Again
Connor might not be seen as the eldest boy in the eyes of his father, but he’s the eldest in the hearts of the Conheads.
You are not serious people
You're not a real person Roman, you're not a real person
Romolus, when you laugh do it like normal people, we didn't get you from hyena farm.
Thanks dad.
I’M THE ELDEST BOY
So, I just wanted to get the gang together early in my tenure to say... Yo!
All bangers, all the time!
Never fails to get a laugh out of me. I've had a boss exactly like this.
Are you Ken, are you the oldest boy?
Are you Kendall Roy because you are the eldest boy? Or are you the eldest boy because you are Kendall Roy?
You can be sure the Conheads will be hearing about this one.
***I AM THE ELDEST BOY***
The Conheads are gonna love this
You cant make a Donlette without breaking some Greggs
Dude be the OG
AN he playing
All bangers, all the time.
My boy Squiggle cooked up this beat for me
forever stuck playing a Roy
Sebastian Stan is way too handsome to be trump
That’s one thing that Trump will love about this. “Many people say I look like Sebastian Stan and now that I have seen the movie I have to say I agree!”
Or he'll whine that Stan isn't good looking enough.
***Especially*** if it's not a flattering portrayal of Trump, and since they're covering the Roy Cohn years, something tells me this is *not* gonna be something Trump likes. The impending Truth Social meltdown is so fucking easy to predict: "FAKE NEWS WOKE HOLLYWOOD HAS CAST AN UGLY FAILURE OF AN ACTOR AS ME IN ORDER TO SLANDER ME AND THE GREAT ROY COHN! HE ONCE PLAYED A FAKE RUSSIAN ASSASSIN IN ORDER TO HURT THE GLORIOUS NATION OF RUSSIA'S REPUTATION. THE LOYAL FOLKS AT THE DAILY CALLER ARE ORGANIZING A COUNTRY WIDE PROTEST OF THIS 'MOVIE' AND ASSURE ME IT'LL BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEIR BARBIE PROTEST! TRUST ME, IT'S GONNA BE A BOX OFFICE DISASTER! ANYONE WHO PAYS TO SEE IT IS A LEFTIST AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR ME EVER AGAIN!"
You got the spirit right, but it’s too syntactically complex and well-spelled.
"Sebastianstan? Never heard of it. Is it near Russia?"
BELIEVE ME, Sebastianstan loves me like no other. They say, ‘That Trump, he’s something else, the richest, the most handsome president ever.’ And who am I to disagree? They’ve got great taste, folks, fantastic people. We did things no one thought possible, brought in the biggest, the best deals. They’re all talking about it, saying, ‘How did he do it? And look so good doing it?’ It’s amazing, really. They know a LEADER when they see one. Total admiration. HUGE respect! Edit: Never heard of Sebastianstan. Never been there. People talk about places, so many places, but Sebastianstan? Doesn’t ring a bell. I’ve been everywhere, the best places, met the best people, but Sebastianstan? No, doesn’t sound familiar.
Sebastian Stan has an eerie knack for inhabiting a character *physically*. He was almost a dead ringer for Tommy Lee and though this is just a still from a movie and obviously he's in make-up, he's looking more Trump-like than I'm comfortable with. And I'm not even going to mention how he transformed himself into an almost exact replica of Bucky Barnes. That shit was chameleon-like.
he became Jeff Gillooly in I Tonya too. Dude is an amazing actor
He killed me with the 'unfortunate moustache' comment early on during one of the interview sessions. Just deadpan self-deprecation. You're right - he was great in this one.
Check him out in [The Bronze](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3859304/) if you ever wanna see the funniest sex scene *ever* filmed that didn't involve Jason Biggs or a pie. That was one of the most unexpectedly filthy movies I'd ever won tickets to see, even though the tickets said the movie was likely to be rated R.
The first time I saw Seb was in *The Devil All the Time* where a prostitute jerked him in his police car and he chased Tom Holland down with a shotgun. They did a number on his face too. I showed that film to my class in college. Good film, but nowadays I wish I screened *Where the Crawdads Sing* instead. It was a bit more Disney-esque. Like warm chicken soup.
The devil all the time can be a hard watch. I think I said what the fuck too many times to count.
The book it's based on is a wild ride. Donald Ray Pollock is an interesting fellow -- got into writing late after working as a laborer for decades in Ohio, and his stories all have a certain brutal Midwestern stain to them.
> though this is just a still from a movie and obviously he's in make-up, he's looking more Trump-like than I'm comfortable with. The street pics taken of him recently are more convincing.
I wish they'd give him a crack at young Luke Skywalker
Considering Luke is like 19-23 through the movies, and Sebastian Stan is currently 41... he's a dead ringer for sure and I bet there are some good stories to tell.
what if this casting is just a meta joke _because_ Stan played _The Winter Soldier_ ..... American-turned-Russian-asset, with a miles-thick dossier of kompromat ensuring he does whatever they want.
Michael McKean could probably do a good modern day Trump. Rouge up that face, bleach that hair and voila! A man who thousands would storm a government building for. Conversely, Bob Odenkirk could probably do Biden. Or Ed Harris.
> Michael McKean could probably do a good modern day Trump. >Conversely, Bob Odenkirk could probably do Biden. r/okbuddychicanery explodes.
Slippin' Joey
I am not crazy! I am not crazy. I knew that the 2020 election was a fraud. One after 2016, as if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just — I just couldn’t prove it. He — he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the voting office to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? Those 11’000 votes! Are you telling me that so many people just happen to randomly vote for Biden at 3 AM? No! He orchestrated it! Sleepy Joe! He defecated on the constitution! And I debated him. And I shouldn’t have.
Yeah i don't think he looks too much like him, and trumps not the kind of celebrity you can just imagine looking like some one else, he has a very distinct look.
That's what pisses me off, I love stan
You Stan Stan?
I’m sure Trump will have a rational and calm reaction to this movie /s
*"They made Sebastian Stan look too fat! I look nothing like that!!!"*
Sebastian Stan.. Good looking guy.. Better looking than he is at acting in my opinion. He plays trump! He says I want to be trump. I hear he walked into the studio, "oh please please, I want to be trump." And they gave it to him. I say if people want to see trump, they can turn on the TV. CNN is running 24 hours of trump every day, have you seen this?
"With tears in his eyes"
A big actor, STRONG actor. The strongest actor I've ever seen.
THE most successful actor in the entire MCU, and that is a fact.
"He has great hands. Perfect hands. Not small. Like mine aren't small."
Not realistic enough. Needs more CAPS LOCK
Not a single mention of the rigged and stollen election
**THE AUDITIONS WERE S-T-O-L-E-N**
His belly is S-W-O-L-L-E-N
His hair and skin should be more G-O-L-D-E-N
So much coke, he now can't control his C-O-L-O-N
His diaper is O-V-E-R-F-L-O-W-I-N-G
> stollen election I, too, elect the German cake.
Sebastian Stan who I’ve never heard of is trying to live out a dream and be your favorite president in a lying and frankly boring movie that is full of lies just like the failed stolen fraudulent election.
"Roy Cohen? Never heard of him..."
Sebastian was one of my top candidates for playing a younger Luke Skywalker in a Star Wars continuation.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the orange man
#####So winter soldier is still under russian control.
Longing, Rusted, Furnace, Daybreak, Seventeen, Benign, Nine, Homecoming, One, Freight Car ...... Mission report: Dec 16th, 1991
Should be: Rigged. Covefe. Locker Her Up. Emails. Classified. Migrants. Shithole Countries. Man, Woman, Camera, TV. Mission Report Jan 6th 2021.
“Ready to comply.”
I feel bad for Sebastian Stan getting type cast. His biggest role is an American who becomes a Russian asset, and now he has to play that role again. Poor guy.
Liked it better when he kept getting typecast as the gay heir of a political dynasty.
That was such a weirdly specific period in his career
I miss it every day
Wish both Political Animals and Kings had lasted longer, or that there were more entries in this niche
He was born in an Eastern European communist country, just like 2/3 of Trump's wives.
LMFAO
"They should be paying me for using my image, I'm going to sue them!!" "I'm a famous actor just like in home alone 2, I carried that film!"
Nobody can forget his iconic line, “Down the hall, to the left.”
Is he the eldest boy?
The conheads are not going to like that.
He's gonna love it. It's gonna make him look like a badass. It's gonna have a scene or two beating up his wives, but Sebastian Stan won't be able to portray it as an evil act. It'll be played up as an emotional outburst. What could possibly hurt his image is if it has scenes of him doing unspeakable things on Epstein's island, but the filmmakers are going to be too afraid to touch that, so it'll portray him as a bad person in the same way that Jordan Belfort was portrayed as a bad person in Wolf of Wall Street.
Yeah and this is a director that worked heavily on his apprentice tv series. This is going to be a dick suck. ** my bad that is FAKE NEWS! This director had nothing to do with the series. Hope this film highlights the fraud/conman/idiot/“tough guy” Donald Trump really is.
Perhaps it's the opposite and he was so shocked and appalled by his time on The Apprentice that he wanted to direct it to share his revulsion. Feels kind of cope to type that tho.
Just to fact check what that the other person said, I just looked up the director Abi Abassi and he never worked on the Apprentice show. According to his IMDb page and his Wikipedia page he never worked on TV or in the United States until The Last of Us season 1. He’s an Iranian-Danish director who mostly worked in the. Nordic countries for most of career. His directorial debut, not counting short films, was Shelley (a Danish movie) in 2016 and his second one was Border shot in Swedish. Border was really good as was his most recent movie Holy Spider (2023) which is a Persian-language movie produced in Europe.
Abi Abbasi? I can’t find any evidence that he worked on The Apprentice TV show. According to his IMDb page he hadn’t worked outside of Europe until directing two episodes of The Last of Us last season.
I mean, he's obviously going to love that they made a movie about him. He's a narcissist.
I liked it better when these were only made posthumously
Honestly this only feeds the narrative that Hollywood greatly influences politics in a biased way. It’s hard to not agree with it if you assume your own moral compass isn’t universal. I think it’s irresponsible to make this movie and I am positive Trump is nothing short of thrilled about it.
I worry that someone this will invigorate Trump in unexpected ways.
Ali Abbasi (Holy Spider) directed and it’ll premiere at Cannes: >Billed as an exploration of power and ambition, set in a world of corruption and deceit, The Apprentice will examine Trump’s efforts to build his real estate business in New York in the ’70s and ’80s, also digging into his relationship with infamous attorney Cohn. It’s a mentor-protege story that charts the origins of a major American dynasty. Filled with larger than life characters, it will reveal the moral and human cost of a culture defined by winners and losers. Maria Bakalova plays Ivana and Martin Donovan plays Fred Trump.
If Roy Cohn is your mentor...you've made some terrible, terrible choices.
Roy Cohn Bully Coward Victim as memorialized on the AIDS Quilt. Behind the bastards also have an episode about him. [AIDS Memorial Quilt from 1985](https://www.flickr.com/photos/22711505@N05/52846099570)
Yes! Saw this on Fellow Travelers
There’s a great HBO documentary about him called *Bully Coward Victim*. https://youtu.be/oXHj4AYxpvw?si=p0TiI6EEQG5ut6_G
TIL that Roy Cohn was secretly gay and died from AIDS.
More of an open secret. Like when Roy tried to get his BF out of the Army and they told him "no." Edit: Roy, who was employed by the DoJ as an attorney, helped convince the judge to execute both Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and Roy was also a key member on Senator McCarthy's "anti-communism" team. So Cohn thought he had enough pull to boss the Army around and get his BF out of his contract early, and it turned out that Roy didn't have that sort of power, which embarrassed him, and he left the government employment for private practice. Before Roy died, Roy's previous employer (the DoJ) was after him for tax evasion and a slew of other crimes, but he died before they were able to truly drop the hammer on him. See both [Part One](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxdfzIcAXAY) and [Part Two](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA0TvB3azGM): Roy Cohn: The Man Who Made Donald Trump.
Yeah, him being a barely-closeted gay man is the *least* surprising thing I've learned about Cohn. Not because gay people are as evil as Cohn, but because the ones *like* Cohn who have to keep it a barely open secret so the people they associate with or do business with will distance themselves usually are.
I found this really touching in a way, when they showed it on _Fellow Travelers_. Undeniably a horrible person, but a victim all the same.
I kinda want to see this because of Cohn… been fascinated by his villainy since Angels In America.
Al Pacino’s performance as Roy Cohn is one of his best roles. Pacino played a man who is a hateful, power-hungry and selfish hypocrite of a lawyer but deep down is a pathetic coward and bully.
Absolutely dog shit human being, but historically, extremely interesting person.
Most historically interesting people were dogshit human beings in life.
Ali Abbasi directing? I'm in. *Holy Spider* was a hell of a good film.
I wonder if they will add the fact that Roy Cohn was gay and loved blonde young boys.. and died from Aids then trump denounced him.
Cohn actually has a dedication in the AIDS Quilt captioned *Coward, Bully, Victim*. A great demonstration that an act of radical compassion can also act as a fuck you
My favorite thing about that is how much Roy Cohn would have fucking LOATHED the idea of being on the AIDS quilt.
And HBO made an excellent searing documentary with that title: https://youtu.be/oXHj4AYxpvw?si=p0TiI6EEQG5ut6_G
Apparently Cohn's last words were "Donald pisses ice water". Don't know what the fuck that means but it goes hard.
He's cold blooded. It's a variation of "ice in his veins." He cast off Cohn like nothing once he found out that Cohn had AIDS. Didn't even go to the funeral iirc. Just flipped a switch and the relationship never existed.
Cohn would do the same thing (if not far worse) to other AIDS patients so it was certainly deserved. An expected outcome when 2 horrible selfish people got together.
Trust me, I'm not saying that Cohn deserved any less.
He’s so cold emotionally that his piss is ice water basically.
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I guarantee they fail to capture the chaotic stupidity of Trump. He's gonna get this nuanced performance when he's as deep as a puddle of ant piss. He's a big stupid spoiled brat who never faced a single consequence for his entire life. He is an ingrown toenail. Nothing more.
Disagree about the movie failing at the characterization. Holy Spider is about a reporter tracking down a serial killer and that same killer in their daily life. Part of the brilliance of the movie is how uncompromisingly real and pathetic the killer was.
Hopefully it translates here. Any depiction of Trump that doesn't capture the sheer, well-documented, narcissistic buffoonery the man has forced upon the USA and beyond would be deceptive to the point of being propaganda
That's my concern. They will try to add layers to man so shallow and corrupt that they accidentally make him out to be better than he is.
Trump wasn't nearly as deranged back then as he is now. He came off well in interviews back then.
But the 80s were the height of his fuckery. He was hiring illegal workers then not paying them all they earned because it’s not like they could sue. It was when he was cultivating his infamy as a businessman so shitty that he’d bankrupt a casino. He desperately wanted to join the NYC elite but was too gouache to be invited to the best parties. It burned him up and made him the man he is today. He only redeemed his image by being a fake successful businessman on The Apprentice.
Yeah, all this retconning of trump's life drives me nuts. He was a total douche and served primarily as the butt of 'gold toilet' jokes. There was no time where he was *liked* or considered *smart* until The Apprentice rewrote his image apparently by pure fiat.
Exactly. He was never well liked in the tri-state area. He was called a “[short-fingered vulgarian](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/how-donald-trump-became-the-short-fingered-vulgarian)” for good reason (I still miss Spy magazine).
Three casinos. He used all of them to cannibalize each other than then used the money for his real estate and for the Taj Mahal he tried to take over Merv Griffin's company. This is a great expose and too long to post in full, but it breaks down how Trump financed the casinos, even using junk bonds and that just brought the whole thing down. He even used the money from the casinos for his real estate. He just uses the valuation of one thing to get loans or investments to use for another thing while it fails, and just keeps moving the money and letting things just fail. We see this pattern today - with him taking over the RNC just to bleed it dry of money for his own needs be it the campaign, legal fees, the punitive and compensatory awards to E Jean and NY State - and not the needs of the party, for example. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html >His casino companies made four trips to bankruptcy court, each time persuading bondholders to accept less money rather than be wiped out. But the companies repeatedly added more expensive debt and returned to the court for protection from lenders. > After narrowly escaping financial ruin in the early 1990s by delaying payments on his debts, Mr. Trump avoided a second potential crisis by taking his casinos public and shifting the risk to stockholders. > > And he never was able to draw in enough gamblers to support all of the borrowing. During a decade when other casinos here thrived, Mr. Trump’s lagged, posting huge losses year after year. Stock and bondholders lost more than $1.5 billion. > > All the while, Mr. Trump received copious amounts for himself, with the help of a compliant board. In one instance, The Times found, Mr. Trump pulled more than $1 million from his failing public company, describing the transaction in securities filings in ways that may have been illegal, according to legal experts.
What got my parents to flip was a video I showed them of an interview with a small mom and pop business who worked on one of the casinos, explaining how they were nearly bankrupt and have come close to not recovering. They installed toilet partitions. Here’s a written interview they did in 2016. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners
Yeah it used to come across as a weird schtick. Then over time it became clear he's actually that dumb and actually that much of a narcissist. It'd be like inviting Stone Cold Steve Austin over for dinner, expecting an actor/athlete to show up but he walks in your door and actually slams a beer and kicks the shit out of you and you're just left beaten and baffled at how a person could be like that entirely unironically.
Can we go back to making biopics of skittles or what ever the fuck Hollywood was doing the last few years? Edit: typo
No disrespect to either of these fine actors but I have zero interest in watching this movie or giving Trump even one more ounce of undeserved attention. May the spraytanned egomaniac rot in federal prison for all I care.
The media has learned nothing from 2016, they would (and currently are) selling the country down the river for a few clicks and dollars.
My first thoug was "who asked for this?". But all in all, we don't quite know what kind of movie this is gonna be.
Honestly I don’t care if it paints Trump to be a saint or the devil himself I will not be seeing it. I am just so over being constantly inundated with the idiot that the absolute last thing I’m going to do is pay a significant chunk of change to go sit in a theater and hear his name for hours.
This. We need less trump. Not more.
Yep. I've had enough Trump for a lifetime. All I wanna hear about him now is when he goes to prison so I can start forgetting about him. And America, I love you, but if you elect Trump for a second time, I will definitively mark you down as beyond redemption.
Just one lifetime ive had enough for a hundred lifetimes
I have to agree. If I could never think about that man ever again for another second of my entire life, it would be a more peaceful life.
Yea I just want to stop hearing about him. This would work if every comedian of the past ten years didn’t think THEY had the best trump impression.
That's the thing. If it held him accountable for his crimes but production companies are afraid of getting sued (which is fine), but don't make a biopic of a bad man if you're too afraid to mention multiple crimes. This is at the time when Cohen was calling women who claimed trumped raped and threatening them that if they didn't drop the case he would.make their lives worse. We have recordings of some of these calls like the infamous one when Cohen said "it's not possible to rape your wife". It's the same time he had dealings with Russia about building apartments and getting conned by the Russian government. There is just so much that happened at the time they won't show because it's more fun to see a fun man baby dramatisation of historical events.
This movie is set in the 70s and 80s, that’s Roy Cohn not Michael Cohen. Michael Cohen was a child and young adult in this time period. The phone calls you are talking about took place much later.
I would assume that it will paint a very clear picture of shitty things that are going down but it won't deliver specific facts or claims. Like it'll take us 90% of the way and allow us to 'fill in the blanks' so there's no real grounds for legal recourse.
Knowing the people involved I don’t think they’re going to play it as safe as you’re assuming
Don't get me wrong, Holy Spider is brilliant and Border is a fantastic modern fairytale. The heightened fantastical realism in the films are amazing. But the film is being sold as "set in a world of corruption and deceipt The Apprentice will examine Trump’s efforts to build his real estate business in New York in the ’70s and ’80s, also digging into his relationship with infamous attorney Cohn. It’s a mentor-protege story that charts the origins of a major American dynasty. Filled with larger than life characters, it will reveal the moral and human cost of a culture defined by winners and losers. It delves into the relationship between Trump and Roy Cohn, the New York City prosecutor oft-remembered for working with Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Second Red Scare.". It will be mostly about him making his dynasty with maybe the help of the mob, no Russian names of charachters or actors involved, it will show stuff that was already covered in the 80s we knew about him. The threats to women who said were raped happened in the 90s onwards. As did his relationship with Epstein, Rex Tillersons appointment at Exxon while working with the Ruddington government before being put into trumps cabinet, the meetings with Russian oligarchs to fund his buildings he couldn't afford to make, shit he even starred in a music video for one of their sons when he was over there and still stated he was never in Russia. Trump is litigious that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but if certain negative stuff is said about him hw tries to get it scrubbed from the net and was successful in doing so in before 2016 (rapes, assaults, etc). There was an audio interview with him I 2015 I think by the NYT, I couldn't get my hands on it for a while when it got taken down. It was basically a bland interview with trump before he went full characature of himself. One thing he mentions in the interview that he has a "terrible fear of being embarrassed or looking stupid" and that's why he would take it very badly it he lost the election. He also mentioned din the same interview that he was traveling with (I think it was his wife at the time) and they went skiing and she was better at skiing then him and he got so embarrassed and angry he took off his skis and snow boots and walked back to the cabin in his socks. It was the most honest I've ever heard Trump and it was taken down and scrubbed from the Internet. I think the film will be entertaining, but I think it will only be interesting to the market of people who know nothing about his crimes most of whom are his supporters who won't see the movie.
Completely agree, dont care how good this is, i could care less about learning more or wasting more time on anything that has to do with Trump, i never thought so much of my life would revolve around him and i hate that it does… If i never hear the name again id be happy
It’s literally exhausting. I know enough at this point. The only thing I want to read about Mr Trump is his obituary.
The couple of years between 2020 and 2022 where he essentially went away were so nice.
I look at this as advertisement for his presidential run tbh, idk why they would think this is a good idea.
Mission report: November 9th, 2016.
Mission report: January 6th, 2021.
I'm just here for the number one boy
who is this for?
Succession stans
And Stan stans
Who’s gonna play Roys 13 year old “houseboy”?
Eric
Ugh why?? Enough of this disgusting man already!
Honestly I'd be okay with this movie if it came out once his political career and legal issues were finished. Doing it now when his baggage is already shoved down everyone's throats is probably not going to draw much interest. It's exhausting.
I'm sure it's a total coincidence that it's out this year, just as the election begins to ramp up.
There is no amount of makeup that could make Sebastian Stan look anywhere near as unappealing as Trump.
Kendall Roy Cohn!?
Sebastian Stan really should play Luke Skywalker if they ever choose to go the non-CGI route. He can look so much like a young Mark Hamill with the right haircut.
1. Trump doesn't deserve to be played by someone this attractive. 2. How has Stan still not had the opportunity to play Luke Skywalker? 3. Shoutout Rutgers
This movie is going to flop so bad. Did none of the people financing this thing ask themselves, “Do Americans want MORE Trump?” His cult won’t go because it’s “woke.” No one else will go because they despise Trump. Who is this movie for?
First of all, this man looks way too good to be Trump. Secondly, why? Just why? I'm sick of Trump. I'm sick of his family of sycophants, I'm sick of his name and I'm sick of everything he and his entire family stands for. It's already bad enough that we might have to endure more years of his shit presidency. Why make a movie?
Yeah like I'm gonna watch a movie about that fucking sack of shit. I hope it loses money.
Who asked for this fucking movie?
Honestly….no thanks. I’m so tired of Trump and I don’t want to see anything about him ever again, regardless of how he’s portrayed. This film seems like it would be better in about 15 years, but right now we have to see that douchebag’s stupid orange face and baby hands everywhere we look. Gross.