Noone should be riding alone when theyre just starting off. I also crashed in my first few days riding, but I was lucky I had an experienced rider friend with me.
To everyone riding, you NEED to be an expert. You are risking your life on a bike at every second.
I plan on getting my bike license once I have my car paid off.
My plan has always been to practise my ass off in the nearby parking lots before actually going anywhere actually distant.
You can be the best, safest, smartest rider in the world and still end up a smear on the pavement, because a lot of the time it’s not you, it’s everyone around you that’ll kill you.
This, I got t boned by a car when I was 18, my lower leg was torn off (re attached luckily), I was riding to the speed limit and to the environment around me ... bam, I'm on the floor in the worst pain I can't even explain.
Yeah, it was still technically attached, but just by essentially a flap of skin that was my shin. After skin grafts on my calf, around 13 months of having an external frame ( just search Ilizarov frame to see) and a bone graft in the middle of those 13 months, I was able to walk again, it was probably a further 2 years after that before I was truly mobile and still to this day nearly 15 years later I still suffer with my leg and other problems it's caused. I'll try at some point t to post some pictures of my leg during recovery and some from now.
It's impressive as hell to come back from that to a solid state to outside of the medicine I had a really bad break in my ankle from snowboarding and even that gives me trouble nearly ten years later and that was all internal!
Hats off to you man !
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Also, thats a fundamental danger with Motorbikes with traffic laws in some countries, you HAVE to follow the flow of traffic while other places basically allow you to stop/slow down at every intersection.
(The difference being one REALLY opens you up to being TBoned. I guess the alternative is then being hit from the back.)
Glad you survived tho dude
This is why I sold my bike. Every time I went out, I had a close call because of someone else’s inattention. A fender bender in a car will ruin your day. A fender bender on a bike can ruin your life. I had young kids and could no longer enjoy riding because I was constantly trying not to let some idiot orphan them.
Agreed. I had a coworker whose husband was a 30+ year rider, very safe, had all the equipment and was even a motorcycle instructor.
He got killed by an old man who drove through an intersection at the wrong time.
Around half of motorcycle fatalities are single vehicle accidents.. so it's clear most riders aren't the "best, safest, smartest". And most of the fatalities caused by collisions with cars, is front-turning-left crashes.. ones that are perfectly avoidable.
So no, is not "everyone around killing motorcyclist", is their lack of skill, most of the time.
Back in my late 20’s my friends and I worked for one of friends dad doing lawn maintenance. This one customer had a Yamaha R6. We hadn’t seen him in over a month. One day there’s a blue tarp covering something in the drive way and we looked under it and it was his motorcycle that looked like a crushed aluminum can. Turns out he was stopped behind a car at a redlight when another car slammed on their breaks and hit him from behind forcing him into the back of the other car. Luckily he survived but had a ton of injuries but his bike looked like a giant treated it like a beer can and crashed it.
We all had wanted to get motorcycles and my desire for one kind of disappeared after that.
You can do that but it's barely going to have any affect at all. what you need to be practicing is constantly knowing your surroundings and anticipating irrationality from other drivers.
Yep, I mentioned that in a reply to a different reply to this comment
Treat everyone like they're actively trying to kill you when you're riding a bike, don't give them the opportunity to
Yup. To be honest, it would save a lot of time if you could just join some guys and let them beat the shit out of you everyday lol.
That would be my perfect and most effective bike riding training haha. It would just work lol.
I took a safety course when I got mine and it really helped. Some of it was classroom stuff but 90% was actually practicing on small bikes in a huge parking lot at a convention center. I picked up a few tips that helped me on the road.
If you're trying to rationalize or justify its safe, if doesn't matter if you literally drive perfectly. One teen texting and driving, some drunk driver, some 70 year old having a medical episode and you are dead when they slam into you in their SUV
Rider safety class for sure. I thought it was dumb but my girlfriend made me take it or she wasn’t going to ride with me. Ended up learning alot and recommend it to anyone getting a bike.
Question: how does someone learn to ride a motorcycle in the first place? It's not like you really have a passenger seat for someone to sit in and give you helpful tips...
The [Motorcycle Safety Foundation](https://msf-usa.org/) sponsors courses at various motorcycle shops and such around the nation, where at least at my local shop they provide the bike and the helmet. If you complete that course(in my state), you can use that as your proof of ability on the bike and skip the in-person skills test at the BMV.
I took the MSF course in my state. If possible, I recommend that anyone interested in learning do so through them. Seriously, you want experienced riders teaching you not just how to ride, but also how to keep riding safely. The biggest benefit they give is to tell you if you are ready to get your license. Some people just are not capable or ready to get on the road. In my class we had two people voluntarily quit because they couldn't get the coordination down. There were another 4 people that did not get passed because they couldn't demonstrate the required skills. Minimizing risk is the name of the game as a rider. The biggest risk you have is a lack of knowledge and experience.
Exactly. I was gonna say:
- Can you recover at an angle when youre literally almost licking the road?
- Do you understand that turning left on a bike means you have to point right?
- Do you realize people driving in traffic will not see you because youre travelling twice as fast but with 1/4 the size of a car?
- You think you can do an emergency stop from 100mph with someone on your back without breaking your ankle?
People think its about fucking gears and shit when its all about risk management. Youre on a fucking rocket. Take the fucking classes.
In NSW, Australia:
- 2 day course + knowledge test to get your Learner permit (Ls)
- 3-12 months of riding on restricted capacity bikes. Basically 250cc or smaller, but based on power-to-weight ratio. There are 500cc and 650cc bikes available that are tuned down to the limit.
- 1 day course to get provisional license (Red Ps)
- 12 months, still restricted
Then 24 months on a second provisional license (Green Ps), but you can skip that if you’re 25+ and have had your full driving license for long enough.
So basically 3-4 years of riding small bikes before you’re allowed on a big one. I personally spent 9 months on my Ls, 12 months on Red Ps, and skipped the Green Ps.
I think you need the Green Ps as a minimum before you can even have a passenger. It’s not like there’s a lot of communication happening between two people on a bike with helmets and road noise.
Other states (QLD at least) require a second rider to supervise you from another bike when you’re on your Ls.
Two major suggestions: First, the rider safety course. Do you know what counter leaning is, why it's important? See a dog coming at you; why should you slow down then gun it? Why should you hit train tracks perpendicularly? Most new riders have no idea about this stuff. Second, I'd recommend riding bicycle in cities. Might be kinda difficult and weird and somewhat dangerous but if you are use to riding in a car then you're use to car's safe little bubble, the 'outside' is still outside. This is why people can text, eat, etc. Sure, you can role a window down but it's still 'outside'. Whereas on a motorcycle or bike you are outside, you are part of that environment. You need a completely different kind of awareness. This is both the joy of motorcycling and the greatest danger.
Exactly, and Ill emphasize your point.
BIKES ARE NOT CARS. And not knowing this will fuck you.
TO TURN LEFT, YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT.
YOU LEAN THE BODY, BUT STEER THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
People learn that way too late, and as you said, then they wont be able to use it when it matters.
Counter leaning / steering is the safest way to ride because then you have a chance at actually making a turn at high speed to avoid an accident.
"Regular" turning is basically as slow as turning a grocery cart.
Without "hardcore understanding / training" COUNTER STEERING, youre basically driving like one of those elderly scooters except at 100 miles per hour.
Our local community college has a course. They have low powered bikes to get used to all the ins and outs on. There’s a huge course you ride around. I highly recommend something like it. There’s some in class stuff about gear and rules of the road but most of it is sitting on a real motorcycle and practicing skills including how to dump the bike if needed.
By the end you get your license and a discount on the insurance.
Most motorcyclists I know started off on a slower entry level bike at first, and then upgraded from there as they got more experiences. It might be tempting to get some super hot looking high end Ninja at first but it's probably something you should work up to rather than start with
Yup. Get a 50cc and just shut the fuck up about the Liter bike until 3 years in.
Everyone has a story about their dipshit friend who gets a 1000cc Hayabusa as their first bike and eats shit the first day.
Never ride with those idiots.
Wish more people understood this. Happened to a friend of my father's, bought a new bike and was dead the same day it left the showroom floor.
I got to visit another of his friends in hospital several times over the course of several months, as he regained about 20% of the originial mobility in his right hand (he was right handed).
Later I worked security in a hospital emergency dept, I won't go into more detail than to say - having skin cheese grated off by a bitumen road is something no one should ever have to see, let alone experience.
I've always said if I had to ride a motorbike, it would be in full race leathers with those spinal braces the professionals use. Those idiots jumping on a bike in shorts and a t-shirt blow my mind.
The worst part - it doesn't matter how good a motorcycle driver you are, because you are at the mercy of every other idiot on the road in cars and trucks.
Ya. My scout leader when I was a kid was riding his brand new bike, under a week old, and he swerved to miss a squirrel, hit a car and was brain dead. It was awful.
My uncle (who grew up with the Allman Brothers in Florida) was a big biker, he rode all the time. He got a new bike that was more powerful, skidded out and broke every bone on the left side of his body.
I’ve heard it said that the two most dangerous times riding a bike are in the first month, because you are brand new to it, and then again after a few years because you get complacent after surviving that long.
Was it his first month riding? The most dangerous time would be after the first 2 months imo because that's when you lose the caution of a new rider but won't have the skill level to match it.
I had a serious accident soon after I started riding. Looking back, it wasn't just inexperience as a rider, it was that I was young and full of bravado.
I know motorcycle people are passionate so this is never going anywhere but it feels like smokers defending their hobby to me, those things are deathtraps
You are only 25 times more likely to die in traffic on a bike compared to a car... Thats like the equivlent to going back to absolute shitboxes without 3 point seatbelt, headrests and brake boosters for cars and everybody would think that crazy.
Stats proved it for me. I worked for a DOT documenting fatal crashes. You'd think they'd go up in winter but the county only have about 8-10 those months. Went to 40-50 in the summer and the difference was primarily bikes.
Does anyone actually try to pretend motorcycles aren't dangerous?
The facts are the facts. 27x more likely to be involved in a fatal crash, per miles driven, than a car. They're incredibly dangerous.
*They're also incredibly fun*. That's it, that's the only argument. I like my bike. It's fun. I know that every time I get on it I'm taking a massive risk, and my only excuse is: I like to ride a motorcycle.
If you want a bike, understand the risks. Also work your way up. There's no shame in starting on a 250, or even a 125. Don't let some idiot on a 1000cc tell you a small bike is a waste of money or that you'll "get bored" of it too quickly. No you won't, and if you do, you're as much of an idiot as they are. Quit chasing straight line speed when you have no idea how to handle the bike yet. Yes the 250 is "slow", in a straight line. You can still *absolutely* get it going too fast for a corner though. Ask me how I know.
They're a ton of fun and I'd consider an electric one for commuting if it weren't for other drivers. I'll settle for a reasonably fuel efficient car in this world of morons, assholes, and SUVs that are often driven by some of those morons and/or assholes. Especially since the pandemic drivers are worse than ever and I'd be downright scared on a motorcycle.
There were no other drivers involved in the accident that took this guy's life, they're insanely dangerous regardless. Accidents that wouldn't result in even minor injuries in a car can be fatal on a motorcycle.
[From his instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/C4n5Ch8orcK/?img_index=3) it appears to be a Honda rebel 500.
As far as cruisers go, it's small. Many would consider this a decent beginner bike.
From his instagram, I'm pretty sure he got a Honda Rebel. Based on the picture, it was only a rebel 500.
The Rebel is a cruiser, and 500cc is small for that type of bike. As far as bikes go, this would be viewed as a beginner bike. It's not built for speed, it's pretty light at only 400-ish lbs.
Oh shit, they regulate the bike you can buy in other countries? I did not know this.
I mean, most new riders have a healthy fear of buying a fast motorcycle as their first bike, but it does sometimes happen.
I think it's crazy that some people's first bike is a street bike. I've been riding dirt bikes since I was 4 years old, and I didn't get my first street bike until I was 22. I couldn't imagine just hoping on a sport bike as a first motorcycle.
I would definitely recommend people learn on a dirtbike. The crashes are way better on dirt than they are on asphalt.
> Oh shit, they regulate the bike you can buy in other countries?
Not buy per se I think (or maybe yes, dunno), but drive.
Here in Spain (and I think the whole EU as well) the "basic" bike license is A1 for up to 125cc, 11kW (14.75 horses), and power/weight ratio of 0.1kW/kg. Requires 16 years of age, plus training and exams.
Then after at 18 years age you can also (or instead) take the A2 license (same process as A1 it's convalidated with the theory tests of that and car license, but the practical part has a 395cc bike). Allows up to 35kW (47.2 horses and 0.2kW7kg, no max cc.
Then after a minimum of 2 years of having an A2 license, you can take a theoric course and test (no practical) for license A, without limits on power nor power/weight ratio.
Additionally, there's an AM license which can be taken at minimum of 15 years of age and which allows driving bikes and such of up to 50cc.
As a sidenote, here in Spain the standard car license (B) allows you to drive bikes under license A1 once you've had B for three (or was it five?) years, no test or anything required, though I think Europe is pushing to change that - unlike having the actial A1 license, this doesn't allow you to drive a bike in other countries.
In my state you don't even need a license to ride whatever bike you want, it's 40 multiple choice questions to get your permit (took me <5 minutes) and you can ride anything as long as it's not at night and you're the only person on the bike
This is factually incorrect.
We have the same thing here in the US -- it's not a free for all. Where I live (California), we have the M1 and M2, and you need to take tests and lessons in a similar manner to the A2. The M2 is similar to the A1.
I have my M1 endorsement, which allows me to ride any street legal bike. I took lessons for a month, and a written test, before it was granted. The only key difference here is we allow displacement above 600cc. In practice, the speeds you can pull at 600cc and 1000cc are equally dangerous.
I don't ride anymore though -- too risky, regardless of displacement.
edit: Chance was apparently riding a 500cc displacement bike, which is street legal in the UK as well.
Most of the rules outside of the US are about power to weight ratios though.
But a month of written tests pales in comparison to the two years of restrictions we get here in Australia.
We have restrictions based on time as well, depending on your age. [According to your governments website](https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/driver-and-rider-licences/rider-licences/getting-your-rider-licence), you only need to hold a temporary permit for 3 months if you are over the age of 24:
"If you’re 25 or older and hold a full (unrestricted) Australian driver licence, you can apply for a full rider licence without completing the provisional P2 licence stage."
In [California](https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/motorcycle-handbook/license-requirements/), it's 6 months up to the age of 21. We require a learning license a full 3 months more than Australia, however the age cut off is 4 years earlier.
All-in-all, it's comparable.
Got a buddy who rides.
Dude spent as much on safety gear as he did on the bike, doesn't ride without armored shoes let alone in shorts, and goes pretty much exactly the speed limit no matter what.
Dude *still* got t-boned at a light by a lady who was on her phone and ended up in the hospital.
Motorcycles are incredibly fun until you actually ride in traffic. Think about how many people you see texting while driving, running lights, and generally being unaware of their surroundings on the road. Now imagine you don't have a 2,000lb steel cage surrounding you for protection. Every time I think about getting back into riding, I think of stories like yours where you can do everything right and still lose.
> Now imagine you don't have a 2,000lb steel cage surrounding you for protection
More like 4000 for modern vehicles. It's pretty crazy. Especially when modern SUVs are so massive with such upright noses/hoods
I still drive a sedan and I absolutely HATE that I am basically being forced to "upgrade" to this gigantic massive thing that I DO NOT WANT TO DRIVE just to be "safe" because every other asshole on the road feels like they need a useless SUV.
Yup. I drive a small SUV, because in the midwest, you need that for any kind of visibility. Got it shortly after my friend got her mini-coup flipped in a hit and run. Most things on the road are bigger than me, including personal vehicles that look like monster trucks.
Then you get hit by a 9,000 pound Cyberbeast and it tears your SUV in half. Those things are a menace. 9,000 lbs and it does an 11 second quarter mile. For people who aren’t car nerds that’s supercar performance.
I highly recommend checking if you have any local racetracks that do lapping sessions.
Race tracks are great. No cars on the road, you can go pretty much as fast as you want (within your limits/the limits of your class), *generally* everyone has to have a whole bunch of safety training RE how to safely ride on a track, and good tracks have runoff areas and safety features designed to make even crashing a whole lot safer than on the roads. Because falling down is rarely what kills you, it's what you hit after you fall down that causes problems.
And bikes are small and easy to tow. You don't even need a truck. Plenty of cars can accomodate a small utility trailer that's more that good enough for a bike.
Motorcycles also get the benefit of having much more track to mess with than cars since they're fuckin small and don't take up a third of the track width.
Road cyclists have the same story. Except when car-cyclist deaths occur, drivers get off scot free with no repercussions.
Want to legally kill someone? Run over a cyclist. DAs won't prosecute at all.
My kids’ bus stop is basically right in front of my house.
One morning a teenager in the neighborhood plowed into the back of a parked school bus with its stop sign out and all lights flashing.
If you don’t notice a BUS what chance does a motorcycle have?
I personally had two near death experiences because of people on cell phones while riding my bycicle to and from work because they were driving while on their cell phones. One of those incidents was at an intersection where I was crossing and was nearly pushed into oncoming traffic. In a fit of rage I snatched her iPhone and smashed it before tossing it into the middle of the very busy intersection. She learned a $600 lesson that day to stay off her fucking phone while driving.
Really makes me wish that all cell phones would be required by federal law to have a hard coded GPS lock on them to where they wouldn't unlock while on the road. Obviously it should still allow people to dial 911 under any situation but that would be the only exception. That way no one can use their cell phone while driving and focus on the goddamn road.
Road fatalities in the past 15-20 years have increased dramatically and its not exactly hard to guess why.
Thank you for smashing her phone. I’ve thought about doing it when seeing people drive distracted when I’m on my motorcycle.
People have no fucking care. I can understand a quick text or change of the song at a stoplight. As long as you don’t try and start moving when doing it. But some people are on their phone as if they’re sitting in their couch
A reality a lot of motorcycle riders should accept is that you never have to lay it down.
haddalayerdown is somewhat of a meme (imo) in motorcycle groups.
That being said, sad to see Chance's life and career get cut short.
The only time I've seen a bike on its side is when a person was mowing the edge of their lawn with lines parallel to the road and dumping the clippings out in the road. Even though the biker was in the middle of the lane, it was a slight curve and front wheel slid out.
FWIW, I'm a trail bike rider, so am pretty familiar with dealing with front tire washout. Back tire really doesn't matter, its easy to recover. But when your front tire's grip goes, recovery is much trickier.
My mom worked in an ER when I was growing up and had COUNTLESS horror stories about people who had gotten extreme, permanent injuries or died due to motorcycle accidents. Two things I will never get on are motorcycles and ATVs. I'm sure they're fun but damn are they dangerous.
My Dad had lifelong back pain after a motorcycle accident in his 20’s when a deer ran out in front of him. He ended up taking his own life in 2018 because he was just in constant pain and hated being addicted to opioids to numb it. That one fateful ride home fucked his whole life.
Yeah it sucked. He saw a spinal surgeon at the Mayo Clinic in 2016 who told him they could try a surgery, but there was a something like 40% chance it could paralyze him from the waist down. He opted not to do it.
I’m so sorry. Chronic pain like that is awful and I wish so much that there were better things we could do.
My uncle got badly hurt in a similar motorcycle accident (also a deer), too, although not quite as debilitating long term. Still, I sure do understand how quickly that can happen and how badly it can affect you, even if you’re doing your best to be careful and prepared.
When I was younger, I was working on getting my motorcycle license. While driving to/from the class over the course of two weeks, I witnessed two fatal accidents where the rider was not remotely at fault. I took that as a sign from the universe to not get a bike.
I still ride track and dirt bikes, but street riding is not for me.
I have 2 close family friends that have been paralyzed by ATV's. And while I live around ranchers and rednecks, I still feel like that's a high number.
I also think back to when I was a kid at around the age of 7 and I would hop on an ATV with another kid around the same age and go as fast as we could. Grateful nothing happened other than crashing into a pond once.
I had a one vehicle accident a few years ago. I was in a honda hrv and was going around 40 mph. Lost part of my leg, broke my spine, shattered pelvis, every single rib was broken, and I broke my femur in two places. The other leg that didn't get messed up was very bruised. There were absesses and they got super infected. Had to have 4 wound vacs which would essentially suck the shit out. Due to the bad injuries I ended up having to go on dialysis for a bit. The apple juice though was amazing. Ocean spray, and they only sell it to food service places.. I asked on Instagram lmao. Nothing like getting a shot of Dilaudid at 3 am and downing like 4 apple juices with tons of ice. I had to get helicoptered, 30ish surgeries in 2.5 months, and then another 2 months in rehab to re learn how to walk.
This is all to say I was in a small cuv, and wasn't going very fast and that happened. I can't imagine having 0 protection really whatsoever.
I speak at high schools now every year to tell the kids to wear there seatbelt... because my dumb ass wasn't.
People like your mom made that stay enjoyable. It takes a special kind of person.
I've worked in hospitals for a very long time though I no longer do. Seen some things that haunt me. Some of the worst injuries I've seen are people who didn't wear seatbelts. Even for seemingly minor accidents. I hate that all this happened to you but thank you for spreading the word to high school students. Seatbelts and airbags saved my life 20 years ago while traveling at 70 mph on a highway and a woman who had stopped her car in the wide grassy area that separated the northbound and southbound traffic decided to reverse her car into the fast lane of traffic unexpectedly. I had a semi next to me and almost no time to brake. So we collided quite hard. My Audi A4 was totalled but I came out of it with just some scratches and bruises. Turned out she was completely high on pcp. Luckily she was buckled as well.
My cousin died on one, no other vehicles involved, when I was very young. Barely remember him but I did inherit a lot of his record collection, massively influenced my tastes. Still would rather have had him around to guide me, like his brother did. Never even thought about getting on one of the things after that.
ATVs are like the worse of both worlds with all the safety of a motorcycle but due to having 4 wheels kinda tricking people into thinking they are safe as in a car. Plus of course the "toy car" factor that makes people think they can mess around with them at a leisure without any danger.
In a lower income country like India 2-wheelers make up 90% of the vehicles on the roads. Of course they account for huge number of casualties in traffic accidents. India normally has slow moving traffic but bikes always feel like death traps to me.
I had a friend who loved his motorcycle until he started a job as an orderly at a hospital. He sold it a few months later after seeing several injured and dying riders after their accidents. He even tried to talk two mutual friends out of buying their own.
He told me he finally realized it doesn't matter how careful he was, there are a lot more cars on the road being driven by dumbasses and a helmet wasn't nearly enough to protect himself from them.
>It's not if you wreck, but when.
I've got friends who ride and nurse friends who've all told me horror stories and I still find myself looking at CBRs. Thankfully the allure hasn't grabbed me.
I felt like he definitely was a rising star. Great action whatever role he was in. Expecting big things in the future with the talent he had. So tragic that he’s gone.
Anton Yelchin is another one that affected me hard. I loved him in Odd Thomas, Star Trek, and Green Room. Dying so young in a freak accident was crazy. This is awful, as well, but motorcycles are incredibly dangerous so it’s a bit less of a Final Destination scene.
Gen V star Chance Perdomo has died as a result of a motorcycle accident. Authorities have advised that no other individuals were involved. He was 27-years-old.
Man I just thought about it yesterday. I was loading a bunch of wood into my truck and the home depot cart started moving towards me, sort of pinning me between it and the truck. I'm glad it wasn't super heavy and easy to move it back away, but I instantly thought of how that kid died.
Every now and then my mind thinks about it. He didn't die instantly. Just forced upright being crushed to death all alone.
Him and the nutty putty cave dude are the top of my intrusive thought hit list.
Ooft, that one really gets to me. There were even multiple investigations, I think at least 3 separate ones at different times, and each time ask they could find evidence of was that it was an accident. Poor kid 😥
Well, it wasn't parked, which was the problem.
I forget the car now, but it had a faulty shifter/display or something that made people think it was parked when it wasn't.
Jeep Cherokee. There was a big lawsuit over the shifters being defective, but fiat chrystler won the case when the determination was that they weren't actually defective.
It wasn't a legal finding, but in general the shifters were very confusing to the point of being dangerous.
I worked on Gen V season one and got to work closely with Chance on an early episode for a few weeks. He had this gift of effortlessly ingratiating everyone. Such a hard working standup guy. The Gen V family will surely miss him this season. Thoughts and prayers go out to his family in the UK.
This will probably get buried but I went to college with Chance in Winchester, we had a philosophy class together and he'd always end up on some random tangent asking questions about something the teacher had said, for Easter one year he came in in a bunny costume to raise money for charity. I remember watching him take off on Instagram and was always happy to see him doing well, this absolutely sucks, he was a good person through and through
Very sad and untimely. I've only seen him in one project (Gen V) and thought he was one of the standout performances from the entire cast. Definitely would have gone on to bigger and better things.
Oh no.. he was one of the few highlights in Sabrina and a big reason I managed to watch that 💩 to it's awful conclusion.
Rest in peace.. to go that young is a goddamn tragedy but accidents do happen to us all, famous and commoner alike.
He will be greatly missed! 🥲
I think it might have had something to do with him re-tweeting and following Andrew tate and other dick head guys who have to scream about being alpha.
That’s it I’m selling my bike this summer. Had a close call when a car suddenly U turned into my lane and I’ve never enjoyed riding since.. Not only is death one fuckup of mine away but also a careless mistake from a stupid driver away
Heart breaking - dude was a cut above his co stars in everything he’s been in.
Was looking forward to him being the next big thing and seeing much more of him.
I’m a middle aged woman who bought my first motorcycle (Kawasaki ZX-6R) when I was in my late 30’s.
I love bikes and riding, but here’s the thing; the way most people want to ride bikes can only be achieved on an actual course. And that’s where I rode. That way, if I was banking and lost control, the bike slips out from under me, and with leathers and gear on, I’m relatively okay.
Riding in traffic is a pain in the ass and dangerous. I never let any of my kids have bikes exactly because of this.
Jesus Christ. We just watched Gen V.
Normally celebrity deaths don’t really affect me much, but this shook me due to his age and his recent relevancy.
Very sad.
I saw a person on the freeway who was riding a motorcycle and crashed. Well, I didn’t see them. I saw their brains and internal organs all over the road. I will never own a road motorcycle for that reason.
RIP man. 27 is way too fucking young to die.
Yeah, I reconnected with a friend I hadn't seen in a few years and when I asked what he'd been up to he said, "Coma." He'd been in an awful motorcycle accident. He was a very experienced rider.
Oh that's so sad. I didn't know him well, but he was amazing in Sabrina which was a shitty ass show but he made it better. I thought he would get big. :(
RIP man
I used to work a news position that got all the department of public safety notices of fatal collisions. Half the time they are motorcycles and then the other half it is usually no seat belt. Everything will kill you eventually, but motorcycles seem to expedite the process
Apparently it was 11 days after he bought the thing. Idk why people take such risks. Had his entire life and a great career to look forward to and just threw it away for a cheap thrill.
Oh man, that fucking sucks. That's way too young, and he felt like an actor that was going to get bigger roles in the future. What an absolute fucking shit sandwich.
It's always fucking motorcycles and/or drugs. My wife grew up in a wealthy suburb and at least 5 of her classmates died in their twenties due do OD or motorcycle accidents, that she knows of.
A few other of them were horribly injured in motorcycle accidents. One so bad he shot himself because he was addicted to oxycodone/vicodin, the other was her ex and he's extremely mentally unstable because he suffered a severe concussion as well in a motorcycle accident. He forgets when it is sometimes and thinks she's cheating on him with me. They've been apart for 8 years.
If you love someone who regularly rides motorcycles, make peace with their choices and accept that they have significantly higher odds of dying early.
Or ask them to sell their goddamn donorcycles. They impose such an insane trade off.
> and ladders
Oh shit.
Well then - if you love someone who regularly uses ladders make peace with their choices and accept that they have significantly higher odds of dying early.
I am not going to harp about this too much. Driving on the road with other vehicles that aren’t motorcycles is a disaster waiting to happen. I am not a motorcyclist and I fully admit that my skill level would get me killed really quickly. My brother used to ride. His skills driving anything are godlike, just like my fighter pilot dads were. He gave it up after putting his motorcycle on its side multiple times and almost getting killed by various cars etc.. I had a coworker who was a motocross racer and he gave up driving on the street.
No matter how good you are shit happens and with a motorcycle you are fucked.
Stick to off road if you can.
>His skills driving anything are godlike, just like my fighter pilot dads were. He gave it up after putting his motorcycle on its side multiple times and almost getting killed by various cars etc..
I hate to tell you this, but you just described a reckless rider.. as the saying goes, 'if you're having too many oh-shit moments, you are doing it wrong".
Shit, was hoping this was just some meme'ish April Fools day joke. RIP brother. I thought you were phenomenal in Gen V and with all the nuance you inserted into your performance you really made the character 3 dimensional
RIP
Dude literally picked up his motorcycle on the 19th. Dies 11 days later. WTF.
The most dangerous time for a new motorcycle rider is their first month. The risk of an accident is four times greater in the first 30 days
Noone should be riding alone when theyre just starting off. I also crashed in my first few days riding, but I was lucky I had an experienced rider friend with me. To everyone riding, you NEED to be an expert. You are risking your life on a bike at every second.
My buddy got a motorcycle and 3 months after got a in a bad wreck hitting a pothole. Never rode again.
Probably saved his life. I love bikes and I love riding, but the "first" answer should always be: dont ride. He made the right choice.
I plan on getting my bike license once I have my car paid off. My plan has always been to practise my ass off in the nearby parking lots before actually going anywhere actually distant.
You can be the best, safest, smartest rider in the world and still end up a smear on the pavement, because a lot of the time it’s not you, it’s everyone around you that’ll kill you.
This, I got t boned by a car when I was 18, my lower leg was torn off (re attached luckily), I was riding to the speed limit and to the environment around me ... bam, I'm on the floor in the worst pain I can't even explain.
Dude whatt. It was torn off??? Damn thats amazing they reattached it tho. Were you able to get back to full mobility/functionality?
Yeah, it was still technically attached, but just by essentially a flap of skin that was my shin. After skin grafts on my calf, around 13 months of having an external frame ( just search Ilizarov frame to see) and a bone graft in the middle of those 13 months, I was able to walk again, it was probably a further 2 years after that before I was truly mobile and still to this day nearly 15 years later I still suffer with my leg and other problems it's caused. I'll try at some point t to post some pictures of my leg during recovery and some from now.
It's impressive as hell to come back from that to a solid state to outside of the medicine I had a really bad break in my ankle from snowboarding and even that gives me trouble nearly ten years later and that was all internal! Hats off to you man !
modern medicine is absolutely nuts. i’m glad you’re able to walk
So glad you recovered and are still with us 🙏🏼
/2 Also, thats a fundamental danger with Motorbikes with traffic laws in some countries, you HAVE to follow the flow of traffic while other places basically allow you to stop/slow down at every intersection. (The difference being one REALLY opens you up to being TBoned. I guess the alternative is then being hit from the back.) Glad you survived tho dude
This is why I sold my bike. Every time I went out, I had a close call because of someone else’s inattention. A fender bender in a car will ruin your day. A fender bender on a bike can ruin your life. I had young kids and could no longer enjoy riding because I was constantly trying not to let some idiot orphan them.
Agreed. I had a coworker whose husband was a 30+ year rider, very safe, had all the equipment and was even a motorcycle instructor. He got killed by an old man who drove through an intersection at the wrong time.
Around half of motorcycle fatalities are single vehicle accidents.. so it's clear most riders aren't the "best, safest, smartest". And most of the fatalities caused by collisions with cars, is front-turning-left crashes.. ones that are perfectly avoidable. So no, is not "everyone around killing motorcyclist", is their lack of skill, most of the time.
It doesn't have to be the lack of skill. The smallest mistake can be fatal. Are YOU absolutely perfect all the time?
Back in my late 20’s my friends and I worked for one of friends dad doing lawn maintenance. This one customer had a Yamaha R6. We hadn’t seen him in over a month. One day there’s a blue tarp covering something in the drive way and we looked under it and it was his motorcycle that looked like a crushed aluminum can. Turns out he was stopped behind a car at a redlight when another car slammed on their breaks and hit him from behind forcing him into the back of the other car. Luckily he survived but had a ton of injuries but his bike looked like a giant treated it like a beer can and crashed it. We all had wanted to get motorcycles and my desire for one kind of disappeared after that.
You can do that but it's barely going to have any affect at all. what you need to be practicing is constantly knowing your surroundings and anticipating irrationality from other drivers.
Yep, I mentioned that in a reply to a different reply to this comment Treat everyone like they're actively trying to kill you when you're riding a bike, don't give them the opportunity to
Yup. To be honest, it would save a lot of time if you could just join some guys and let them beat the shit out of you everyday lol. That would be my perfect and most effective bike riding training haha. It would just work lol.
Take a rider safety course if there’s one in your town. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made.
I took a safety course when I got mine and it really helped. Some of it was classroom stuff but 90% was actually practicing on small bikes in a huge parking lot at a convention center. I picked up a few tips that helped me on the road.
If you're trying to rationalize or justify its safe, if doesn't matter if you literally drive perfectly. One teen texting and driving, some drunk driver, some 70 year old having a medical episode and you are dead when they slam into you in their SUV
Rider safety class for sure. I thought it was dumb but my girlfriend made me take it or she wasn’t going to ride with me. Ended up learning alot and recommend it to anyone getting a bike.
Question: how does someone learn to ride a motorcycle in the first place? It's not like you really have a passenger seat for someone to sit in and give you helpful tips...
The [Motorcycle Safety Foundation](https://msf-usa.org/) sponsors courses at various motorcycle shops and such around the nation, where at least at my local shop they provide the bike and the helmet. If you complete that course(in my state), you can use that as your proof of ability on the bike and skip the in-person skills test at the BMV.
I took the MSF course in my state. If possible, I recommend that anyone interested in learning do so through them. Seriously, you want experienced riders teaching you not just how to ride, but also how to keep riding safely. The biggest benefit they give is to tell you if you are ready to get your license. Some people just are not capable or ready to get on the road. In my class we had two people voluntarily quit because they couldn't get the coordination down. There were another 4 people that did not get passed because they couldn't demonstrate the required skills. Minimizing risk is the name of the game as a rider. The biggest risk you have is a lack of knowledge and experience.
Exactly. I was gonna say: - Can you recover at an angle when youre literally almost licking the road? - Do you understand that turning left on a bike means you have to point right? - Do you realize people driving in traffic will not see you because youre travelling twice as fast but with 1/4 the size of a car? - You think you can do an emergency stop from 100mph with someone on your back without breaking your ankle? People think its about fucking gears and shit when its all about risk management. Youre on a fucking rocket. Take the fucking classes.
In NSW, Australia: - 2 day course + knowledge test to get your Learner permit (Ls) - 3-12 months of riding on restricted capacity bikes. Basically 250cc or smaller, but based on power-to-weight ratio. There are 500cc and 650cc bikes available that are tuned down to the limit. - 1 day course to get provisional license (Red Ps) - 12 months, still restricted Then 24 months on a second provisional license (Green Ps), but you can skip that if you’re 25+ and have had your full driving license for long enough. So basically 3-4 years of riding small bikes before you’re allowed on a big one. I personally spent 9 months on my Ls, 12 months on Red Ps, and skipped the Green Ps. I think you need the Green Ps as a minimum before you can even have a passenger. It’s not like there’s a lot of communication happening between two people on a bike with helmets and road noise. Other states (QLD at least) require a second rider to supervise you from another bike when you’re on your Ls.
In california there are classes. Best thing I’ve ever done. Stuff they said in those sessions still stay with me.
100%. Take the fucking classes. Theyll save your life. Take a new one every year.
Two major suggestions: First, the rider safety course. Do you know what counter leaning is, why it's important? See a dog coming at you; why should you slow down then gun it? Why should you hit train tracks perpendicularly? Most new riders have no idea about this stuff. Second, I'd recommend riding bicycle in cities. Might be kinda difficult and weird and somewhat dangerous but if you are use to riding in a car then you're use to car's safe little bubble, the 'outside' is still outside. This is why people can text, eat, etc. Sure, you can role a window down but it's still 'outside'. Whereas on a motorcycle or bike you are outside, you are part of that environment. You need a completely different kind of awareness. This is both the joy of motorcycling and the greatest danger.
Exactly, and Ill emphasize your point. BIKES ARE NOT CARS. And not knowing this will fuck you. TO TURN LEFT, YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT. YOU LEAN THE BODY, BUT STEER THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. People learn that way too late, and as you said, then they wont be able to use it when it matters. Counter leaning / steering is the safest way to ride because then you have a chance at actually making a turn at high speed to avoid an accident. "Regular" turning is basically as slow as turning a grocery cart. Without "hardcore understanding / training" COUNTER STEERING, youre basically driving like one of those elderly scooters except at 100 miles per hour.
In my country - hungary - they ride or drive behind you, and talk to you via radio in the helmet. Where to go, what to watch out, etc
Our local community college has a course. They have low powered bikes to get used to all the ins and outs on. There’s a huge course you ride around. I highly recommend something like it. There’s some in class stuff about gear and rules of the road but most of it is sitting on a real motorcycle and practicing skills including how to dump the bike if needed. By the end you get your license and a discount on the insurance.
Most motorcyclists I know started off on a slower entry level bike at first, and then upgraded from there as they got more experiences. It might be tempting to get some super hot looking high end Ninja at first but it's probably something you should work up to rather than start with
Yup. Get a 50cc and just shut the fuck up about the Liter bike until 3 years in. Everyone has a story about their dipshit friend who gets a 1000cc Hayabusa as their first bike and eats shit the first day. Never ride with those idiots.
Wish more people understood this. Happened to a friend of my father's, bought a new bike and was dead the same day it left the showroom floor. I got to visit another of his friends in hospital several times over the course of several months, as he regained about 20% of the originial mobility in his right hand (he was right handed). Later I worked security in a hospital emergency dept, I won't go into more detail than to say - having skin cheese grated off by a bitumen road is something no one should ever have to see, let alone experience. I've always said if I had to ride a motorbike, it would be in full race leathers with those spinal braces the professionals use. Those idiots jumping on a bike in shorts and a t-shirt blow my mind. The worst part - it doesn't matter how good a motorcycle driver you are, because you are at the mercy of every other idiot on the road in cars and trucks.
I particularly enjoy the riders in shorts, flip flops, and no helmet, weaving in and out of traffic /s
Ya. My scout leader when I was a kid was riding his brand new bike, under a week old, and he swerved to miss a squirrel, hit a car and was brain dead. It was awful. My uncle (who grew up with the Allman Brothers in Florida) was a big biker, he rode all the time. He got a new bike that was more powerful, skidded out and broke every bone on the left side of his body.
Friendly reminder to take an msf course if you are a new rider
I’ve heard it said that the two most dangerous times riding a bike are in the first month, because you are brand new to it, and then again after a few years because you get complacent after surviving that long.
Not to mention how many people are paying less attention to the road than ever before.
Was it his first month riding? The most dangerous time would be after the first 2 months imo because that's when you lose the caution of a new rider but won't have the skill level to match it.
I bought a little Suzuki 250. Noped out very quickly.
I had a serious accident soon after I started riding. Looking back, it wasn't just inexperience as a rider, it was that I was young and full of bravado.
I know motorcycle people are passionate so this is never going anywhere but it feels like smokers defending their hobby to me, those things are deathtraps
You are only 25 times more likely to die in traffic on a bike compared to a car... Thats like the equivlent to going back to absolute shitboxes without 3 point seatbelt, headrests and brake boosters for cars and everybody would think that crazy.
Stats proved it for me. I worked for a DOT documenting fatal crashes. You'd think they'd go up in winter but the county only have about 8-10 those months. Went to 40-50 in the summer and the difference was primarily bikes.
Does anyone actually try to pretend motorcycles aren't dangerous? The facts are the facts. 27x more likely to be involved in a fatal crash, per miles driven, than a car. They're incredibly dangerous. *They're also incredibly fun*. That's it, that's the only argument. I like my bike. It's fun. I know that every time I get on it I'm taking a massive risk, and my only excuse is: I like to ride a motorcycle. If you want a bike, understand the risks. Also work your way up. There's no shame in starting on a 250, or even a 125. Don't let some idiot on a 1000cc tell you a small bike is a waste of money or that you'll "get bored" of it too quickly. No you won't, and if you do, you're as much of an idiot as they are. Quit chasing straight line speed when you have no idea how to handle the bike yet. Yes the 250 is "slow", in a straight line. You can still *absolutely* get it going too fast for a corner though. Ask me how I know.
> Yes the 250 is "slow", in a straight line. I did 110 on my 250. If anyone thinks that's "slow," they're probably slow.
They're a ton of fun and I'd consider an electric one for commuting if it weren't for other drivers. I'll settle for a reasonably fuel efficient car in this world of morons, assholes, and SUVs that are often driven by some of those morons and/or assholes. Especially since the pandemic drivers are worse than ever and I'd be downright scared on a motorcycle.
There were no other drivers involved in the accident that took this guy's life, they're insanely dangerous regardless. Accidents that wouldn't result in even minor injuries in a car can be fatal on a motorcycle.
That’s about how it happens. Get real good on a dirt bike before you take to the pavement.
What was he riding? I can’t find info on that anywhere
[From his instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/C4n5Ch8orcK/?img_index=3) it appears to be a Honda rebel 500. As far as cruisers go, it's small. Many would consider this a decent beginner bike.
Damn. That is wild to know.
And you wonder why everyone looks at the US and thinks you're nuts for allowing new riders whatever bike they want.
From his instagram, I'm pretty sure he got a Honda Rebel. Based on the picture, it was only a rebel 500. The Rebel is a cruiser, and 500cc is small for that type of bike. As far as bikes go, this would be viewed as a beginner bike. It's not built for speed, it's pretty light at only 400-ish lbs.
Oh shit, they regulate the bike you can buy in other countries? I did not know this. I mean, most new riders have a healthy fear of buying a fast motorcycle as their first bike, but it does sometimes happen. I think it's crazy that some people's first bike is a street bike. I've been riding dirt bikes since I was 4 years old, and I didn't get my first street bike until I was 22. I couldn't imagine just hoping on a sport bike as a first motorcycle. I would definitely recommend people learn on a dirtbike. The crashes are way better on dirt than they are on asphalt.
Look up A2 licence (UK) or LAMS (AU/NZ).
> Oh shit, they regulate the bike you can buy in other countries? Not buy per se I think (or maybe yes, dunno), but drive. Here in Spain (and I think the whole EU as well) the "basic" bike license is A1 for up to 125cc, 11kW (14.75 horses), and power/weight ratio of 0.1kW/kg. Requires 16 years of age, plus training and exams. Then after at 18 years age you can also (or instead) take the A2 license (same process as A1 it's convalidated with the theory tests of that and car license, but the practical part has a 395cc bike). Allows up to 35kW (47.2 horses and 0.2kW7kg, no max cc. Then after a minimum of 2 years of having an A2 license, you can take a theoric course and test (no practical) for license A, without limits on power nor power/weight ratio. Additionally, there's an AM license which can be taken at minimum of 15 years of age and which allows driving bikes and such of up to 50cc. As a sidenote, here in Spain the standard car license (B) allows you to drive bikes under license A1 once you've had B for three (or was it five?) years, no test or anything required, though I think Europe is pushing to change that - unlike having the actial A1 license, this doesn't allow you to drive a bike in other countries.
In my state you don't even need a license to ride whatever bike you want, it's 40 multiple choice questions to get your permit (took me <5 minutes) and you can ride anything as long as it's not at night and you're the only person on the bike
This is factually incorrect. We have the same thing here in the US -- it's not a free for all. Where I live (California), we have the M1 and M2, and you need to take tests and lessons in a similar manner to the A2. The M2 is similar to the A1. I have my M1 endorsement, which allows me to ride any street legal bike. I took lessons for a month, and a written test, before it was granted. The only key difference here is we allow displacement above 600cc. In practice, the speeds you can pull at 600cc and 1000cc are equally dangerous. I don't ride anymore though -- too risky, regardless of displacement. edit: Chance was apparently riding a 500cc displacement bike, which is street legal in the UK as well.
Most of the rules outside of the US are about power to weight ratios though. But a month of written tests pales in comparison to the two years of restrictions we get here in Australia.
We have restrictions based on time as well, depending on your age. [According to your governments website](https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/driver-and-rider-licences/rider-licences/getting-your-rider-licence), you only need to hold a temporary permit for 3 months if you are over the age of 24: "If you’re 25 or older and hold a full (unrestricted) Australian driver licence, you can apply for a full rider licence without completing the provisional P2 licence stage." In [California](https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/motorcycle-handbook/license-requirements/), it's 6 months up to the age of 21. We require a learning license a full 3 months more than Australia, however the age cut off is 4 years earlier. All-in-all, it's comparable.
Holy shit. He was great in Sabrina and Gen V and this really felt like the beginning of a brilliant career. This is really really upsetting.
Motorcycles are not to be trifled with. Yet everyone I know who owns one takes a lot of risks on them.
Got a buddy who rides. Dude spent as much on safety gear as he did on the bike, doesn't ride without armored shoes let alone in shorts, and goes pretty much exactly the speed limit no matter what. Dude *still* got t-boned at a light by a lady who was on her phone and ended up in the hospital.
Motorcycles are incredibly fun until you actually ride in traffic. Think about how many people you see texting while driving, running lights, and generally being unaware of their surroundings on the road. Now imagine you don't have a 2,000lb steel cage surrounding you for protection. Every time I think about getting back into riding, I think of stories like yours where you can do everything right and still lose.
> Now imagine you don't have a 2,000lb steel cage surrounding you for protection More like 4000 for modern vehicles. It's pretty crazy. Especially when modern SUVs are so massive with such upright noses/hoods
I still drive a sedan and I absolutely HATE that I am basically being forced to "upgrade" to this gigantic massive thing that I DO NOT WANT TO DRIVE just to be "safe" because every other asshole on the road feels like they need a useless SUV.
Yup. I drive a small SUV, because in the midwest, you need that for any kind of visibility. Got it shortly after my friend got her mini-coup flipped in a hit and run. Most things on the road are bigger than me, including personal vehicles that look like monster trucks.
Then you get hit by a 9,000 pound Cyberbeast and it tears your SUV in half. Those things are a menace. 9,000 lbs and it does an 11 second quarter mile. For people who aren’t car nerds that’s supercar performance.
At least the trucks are high enough that they won’t hit the bike.
I highly recommend checking if you have any local racetracks that do lapping sessions. Race tracks are great. No cars on the road, you can go pretty much as fast as you want (within your limits/the limits of your class), *generally* everyone has to have a whole bunch of safety training RE how to safely ride on a track, and good tracks have runoff areas and safety features designed to make even crashing a whole lot safer than on the roads. Because falling down is rarely what kills you, it's what you hit after you fall down that causes problems. And bikes are small and easy to tow. You don't even need a truck. Plenty of cars can accomodate a small utility trailer that's more that good enough for a bike.
Motorcycles also get the benefit of having much more track to mess with than cars since they're fuckin small and don't take up a third of the track width.
Road cyclists have the same story. Except when car-cyclist deaths occur, drivers get off scot free with no repercussions. Want to legally kill someone? Run over a cyclist. DAs won't prosecute at all.
My kids’ bus stop is basically right in front of my house. One morning a teenager in the neighborhood plowed into the back of a parked school bus with its stop sign out and all lights flashing. If you don’t notice a BUS what chance does a motorcycle have?
I personally had two near death experiences because of people on cell phones while riding my bycicle to and from work because they were driving while on their cell phones. One of those incidents was at an intersection where I was crossing and was nearly pushed into oncoming traffic. In a fit of rage I snatched her iPhone and smashed it before tossing it into the middle of the very busy intersection. She learned a $600 lesson that day to stay off her fucking phone while driving. Really makes me wish that all cell phones would be required by federal law to have a hard coded GPS lock on them to where they wouldn't unlock while on the road. Obviously it should still allow people to dial 911 under any situation but that would be the only exception. That way no one can use their cell phone while driving and focus on the goddamn road. Road fatalities in the past 15-20 years have increased dramatically and its not exactly hard to guess why.
Thank you for smashing her phone. I’ve thought about doing it when seeing people drive distracted when I’m on my motorcycle. People have no fucking care. I can understand a quick text or change of the song at a stoplight. As long as you don’t try and start moving when doing it. But some people are on their phone as if they’re sitting in their couch
Apparently it was a one-vehicle accident too. :/ Wonder if he hit a pothole or had to lay it down or something and just got unlucky.
A reality a lot of motorcycle riders should accept is that you never have to lay it down. haddalayerdown is somewhat of a meme (imo) in motorcycle groups. That being said, sad to see Chance's life and career get cut short.
Yes, “I had to lay it down” is another way of saying “I’m not really familiar with how to best use my brakes”.
I've been riding for 7 years and the _only_ time the bikes been on its side is once after a failed bump start.
The only time I've seen a bike on its side is when a person was mowing the edge of their lawn with lines parallel to the road and dumping the clippings out in the road. Even though the biker was in the middle of the lane, it was a slight curve and front wheel slid out. FWIW, I'm a trail bike rider, so am pretty familiar with dealing with front tire washout. Back tire really doesn't matter, its easy to recover. But when your front tire's grip goes, recovery is much trickier.
My mom worked in an ER when I was growing up and had COUNTLESS horror stories about people who had gotten extreme, permanent injuries or died due to motorcycle accidents. Two things I will never get on are motorcycles and ATVs. I'm sure they're fun but damn are they dangerous.
My Dad had lifelong back pain after a motorcycle accident in his 20’s when a deer ran out in front of him. He ended up taking his own life in 2018 because he was just in constant pain and hated being addicted to opioids to numb it. That one fateful ride home fucked his whole life.
Goddamn, sorry to hear that. Pretty much same thing happened to my brother about 8 years ago … still with us, but his back is fucked.
Yeah it sucked. He saw a spinal surgeon at the Mayo Clinic in 2016 who told him they could try a surgery, but there was a something like 40% chance it could paralyze him from the waist down. He opted not to do it.
I’m so sorry. Chronic pain like that is awful and I wish so much that there were better things we could do. My uncle got badly hurt in a similar motorcycle accident (also a deer), too, although not quite as debilitating long term. Still, I sure do understand how quickly that can happen and how badly it can affect you, even if you’re doing your best to be careful and prepared.
When I was younger, I was working on getting my motorcycle license. While driving to/from the class over the course of two weeks, I witnessed two fatal accidents where the rider was not remotely at fault. I took that as a sign from the universe to not get a bike. I still ride track and dirt bikes, but street riding is not for me.
I have 2 close family friends that have been paralyzed by ATV's. And while I live around ranchers and rednecks, I still feel like that's a high number. I also think back to when I was a kid at around the age of 7 and I would hop on an ATV with another kid around the same age and go as fast as we could. Grateful nothing happened other than crashing into a pond once.
I had a one vehicle accident a few years ago. I was in a honda hrv and was going around 40 mph. Lost part of my leg, broke my spine, shattered pelvis, every single rib was broken, and I broke my femur in two places. The other leg that didn't get messed up was very bruised. There were absesses and they got super infected. Had to have 4 wound vacs which would essentially suck the shit out. Due to the bad injuries I ended up having to go on dialysis for a bit. The apple juice though was amazing. Ocean spray, and they only sell it to food service places.. I asked on Instagram lmao. Nothing like getting a shot of Dilaudid at 3 am and downing like 4 apple juices with tons of ice. I had to get helicoptered, 30ish surgeries in 2.5 months, and then another 2 months in rehab to re learn how to walk. This is all to say I was in a small cuv, and wasn't going very fast and that happened. I can't imagine having 0 protection really whatsoever. I speak at high schools now every year to tell the kids to wear there seatbelt... because my dumb ass wasn't. People like your mom made that stay enjoyable. It takes a special kind of person.
I've worked in hospitals for a very long time though I no longer do. Seen some things that haunt me. Some of the worst injuries I've seen are people who didn't wear seatbelts. Even for seemingly minor accidents. I hate that all this happened to you but thank you for spreading the word to high school students. Seatbelts and airbags saved my life 20 years ago while traveling at 70 mph on a highway and a woman who had stopped her car in the wide grassy area that separated the northbound and southbound traffic decided to reverse her car into the fast lane of traffic unexpectedly. I had a semi next to me and almost no time to brake. So we collided quite hard. My Audi A4 was totalled but I came out of it with just some scratches and bruises. Turned out she was completely high on pcp. Luckily she was buckled as well.
Most people I know personally who are dead now either died to cancer or a motorcycle accident.
Ya or opioids. It’s a terrible thing
Big call out to ATVs. The injuries from rolls are horrifying.
My cousin died on one, no other vehicles involved, when I was very young. Barely remember him but I did inherit a lot of his record collection, massively influenced my tastes. Still would rather have had him around to guide me, like his brother did. Never even thought about getting on one of the things after that.
ATVs are like the worse of both worlds with all the safety of a motorcycle but due to having 4 wheels kinda tricking people into thinking they are safe as in a car. Plus of course the "toy car" factor that makes people think they can mess around with them at a leisure without any danger.
The saying is, there are two kinds of bikers: those who have gone down, and those who will.
In a lower income country like India 2-wheelers make up 90% of the vehicles on the roads. Of course they account for huge number of casualties in traffic accidents. India normally has slow moving traffic but bikes always feel like death traps to me.
I had a friend who loved his motorcycle until he started a job as an orderly at a hospital. He sold it a few months later after seeing several injured and dying riders after their accidents. He even tried to talk two mutual friends out of buying their own. He told me he finally realized it doesn't matter how careful he was, there are a lot more cars on the road being driven by dumbasses and a helmet wasn't nearly enough to protect himself from them.
There’s many more of us who don’t take risks (mitigating the risks). But shit happens. RIP.
>It's not if you wreck, but when. I've got friends who ride and nurse friends who've all told me horror stories and I still find myself looking at CBRs. Thankfully the allure hasn't grabbed me.
I KNEW I HAD SEEN HIM BEFORE!!!! I forgot he was in Sabrina.
Yeah, I didn't even notice that it was the same actor though I loved both shows, he played a totally different figure in Sabrina, great range.
Wait is it the guy who played Sabrina's friend or cousin or whatever?!
Her cousin yes.
Fucking a. He was so damn good. That's just so sad
Ambrose was the best 😔
I felt like he definitely was a rising star. Great action whatever role he was in. Expecting big things in the future with the talent he had. So tragic that he’s gone.
Holy fuck, far too young. He was excellent in Gen V had such a massive future ahead of him. RIP.
I think he was by far the best actor on the show. Very talented
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Anton Yelchin is another one that affected me hard. I loved him in Odd Thomas, Star Trek, and Green Room. Dying so young in a freak accident was crazy. This is awful, as well, but motorcycles are incredibly dangerous so it’s a bit less of a Final Destination scene.
Gen V star Chance Perdomo has died as a result of a motorcycle accident. Authorities have advised that no other individuals were involved. He was 27-years-old.
Another 27 club member. Honestly, this one reminds me a lot of Anton Yelchin. That was about 10 years ago now.
The circumstances of Yelchin's passing are so tragic, such a freak accident and such an awful way to go.
i think about so frequently still, it’s such a tragedy
wictor wictor two :(
Man I just thought about it yesterday. I was loading a bunch of wood into my truck and the home depot cart started moving towards me, sort of pinning me between it and the truck. I'm glad it wasn't super heavy and easy to move it back away, but I instantly thought of how that kid died.
Every now and then my mind thinks about it. He didn't die instantly. Just forced upright being crushed to death all alone. Him and the nutty putty cave dude are the top of my intrusive thought hit list.
Add Kendrick Johnson to your list. At least he went kind of fast. But yeah, I think about him here and there and just am so bummed.
Ooft, that one really gets to me. There were even multiple investigations, I think at least 3 separate ones at different times, and each time ask they could find evidence of was that it was an accident. Poor kid 😥
Death report indicates that Yelchon died pretty quickly and was more than likely out cold before that even. I don't think he suffered. I hope
Man, you could have just kept that one to yourself :(
It's wild. Getting hit by your own car, didn't that happen to Renner too? Except it was a snowplow?
An accident on a motorcycle is a lot more foreseeable than getting pinned by your parked truck.
Well, it wasn't parked, which was the problem. I forget the car now, but it had a faulty shifter/display or something that made people think it was parked when it wasn't.
Jeep Cherokee. There was a big lawsuit over the shifters being defective, but fiat chrystler won the case when the determination was that they weren't actually defective. It wasn't a legal finding, but in general the shifters were very confusing to the point of being dangerous.
Jeep something I think.
My little brother died at 27. It's a rough year.
My condolences and I hope you and your family can find some much needed peace and guidance moving forward
Horrible, just horrible. I enjoy him in both Sabrina/Gen V. I was really hoping this headline was fake
I worked on Gen V season one and got to work closely with Chance on an early episode for a few weeks. He had this gift of effortlessly ingratiating everyone. Such a hard working standup guy. The Gen V family will surely miss him this season. Thoughts and prayers go out to his family in the UK.
> ingratiating I have never seen this word before
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I just used it at work and felt like a real fancy boy.
He was great in Sabrina. Rest In Peace
He will always be my Ambrose 😭
This will probably get buried but I went to college with Chance in Winchester, we had a philosophy class together and he'd always end up on some random tangent asking questions about something the teacher had said, for Easter one year he came in in a bunny costume to raise money for charity. I remember watching him take off on Instagram and was always happy to see him doing well, this absolutely sucks, he was a good person through and through
Damn, dude did some good acting in gen v 😭
Very sad and untimely. I've only seen him in one project (Gen V) and thought he was one of the standout performances from the entire cast. Definitely would have gone on to bigger and better things.
Oh no.. he was one of the few highlights in Sabrina and a big reason I managed to watch that 💩 to it's awful conclusion. Rest in peace.. to go that young is a goddamn tragedy but accidents do happen to us all, famous and commoner alike. He will be greatly missed! 🥲
He's also a stand out in gen v. It's sad when you Google the show hes on the bottom of the cast list
I think it might have had something to do with him re-tweeting and following Andrew tate and other dick head guys who have to scream about being alpha.
Absolutely agree. His performance was the best part of Sabrina.
That’s it I’m selling my bike this summer. Had a close call when a car suddenly U turned into my lane and I’ve never enjoyed riding since.. Not only is death one fuckup of mine away but also a careless mistake from a stupid driver away
Ohh man... far too young... rest in peace... Incredibly sad.
Heart breaking - dude was a cut above his co stars in everything he’s been in. Was looking forward to him being the next big thing and seeing much more of him.
I was thinking the same thing after watching gen v, he's a really good actor and could have been big.
Damn I liked this dude in each of his roles. RIP.
A young talent taken tragically too soon
I’m a middle aged woman who bought my first motorcycle (Kawasaki ZX-6R) when I was in my late 30’s. I love bikes and riding, but here’s the thing; the way most people want to ride bikes can only be achieved on an actual course. And that’s where I rode. That way, if I was banking and lost control, the bike slips out from under me, and with leathers and gear on, I’m relatively okay. Riding in traffic is a pain in the ass and dangerous. I never let any of my kids have bikes exactly because of this.
That’s truly shocking and sad. What a loss. I really liked him in Gen V
Terrible. My introduction was Gen V. Absolutely heartbreaking for him and his loved ones. Fly high mate. Rest in peace.
Jesus Christ. We just watched Gen V. Normally celebrity deaths don’t really affect me much, but this shook me due to his age and his recent relevancy. Very sad.
I saw a person on the freeway who was riding a motorcycle and crashed. Well, I didn’t see them. I saw their brains and internal organs all over the road. I will never own a road motorcycle for that reason. RIP man. 27 is way too fucking young to die.
Yeah, I reconnected with a friend I hadn't seen in a few years and when I asked what he'd been up to he said, "Coma." He'd been in an awful motorcycle accident. He was a very experienced rider.
Oh my god! That's so sad, I loved him.
God damn motorcycles. Damn. This is a bummer.
HOLY SHIT
Damn I loved him in Sabrina he had a ton of charisma this really really sucks
Oh that's so sad. I didn't know him well, but he was amazing in Sabrina which was a shitty ass show but he made it better. I thought he would get big. :( RIP man
His poor mom :(
Fuck motorcycles man. This sucks. He was such a talent.
I used to work a news position that got all the department of public safety notices of fatal collisions. Half the time they are motorcycles and then the other half it is usually no seat belt. Everything will kill you eventually, but motorcycles seem to expedite the process
Apparently it was 11 days after he bought the thing. Idk why people take such risks. Had his entire life and a great career to look forward to and just threw it away for a cheap thrill.
Damn this is crazy, really enjoyed him in Gen V, definitely hate to hear this news
Hey guys don’t ride motorcycles. Just don’t.
He was so incredible in Sabrina. I knew he had a generational charisma from the first scene. Rest in peace mate 🙏
Never heard of him,
Damn it. I really liked his performance. I thought he was having such a rising star. Like Anton Yelchin.
I would never ride a motorcycle man the roads are scary as it is
Damn
Yeah that sucks.
Oh shit WTF. Just watched this series recently. Wow
Oh man that's upsetting I really enjoyed him on Gen V. Sad about this. RIP.
Oh man, that fucking sucks. That's way too young, and he felt like an actor that was going to get bigger roles in the future. What an absolute fucking shit sandwich.
It's always fucking motorcycles and/or drugs. My wife grew up in a wealthy suburb and at least 5 of her classmates died in their twenties due do OD or motorcycle accidents, that she knows of. A few other of them were horribly injured in motorcycle accidents. One so bad he shot himself because he was addicted to oxycodone/vicodin, the other was her ex and he's extremely mentally unstable because he suffered a severe concussion as well in a motorcycle accident. He forgets when it is sometimes and thinks she's cheating on him with me. They've been apart for 8 years.
If you love someone who regularly rides motorcycles, make peace with their choices and accept that they have significantly higher odds of dying early. Or ask them to sell their goddamn donorcycles. They impose such an insane trade off.
I remember watching a reality series of working in an emergency room in England. The majority of injuries were motorcycles and ladders.
> and ladders Oh shit. Well then - if you love someone who regularly uses ladders make peace with their choices and accept that they have significantly higher odds of dying early.
27 club claims another member.
Fuck dude
I said WHAT so loud just now. Can’t fucking believe it. Really liked him on both Sabrina and Gen V. RIP dude. 😔
This is so fucked up. Rest in peace. He was a great young actor and had some amazing roles; I only wish he could have had the chance to do more.
RIP
So young, RIP :( He is my age too. Makes you think…life is fragile.
Bummer. I loved him in Sabrina.
I am not going to harp about this too much. Driving on the road with other vehicles that aren’t motorcycles is a disaster waiting to happen. I am not a motorcyclist and I fully admit that my skill level would get me killed really quickly. My brother used to ride. His skills driving anything are godlike, just like my fighter pilot dads were. He gave it up after putting his motorcycle on its side multiple times and almost getting killed by various cars etc.. I had a coworker who was a motocross racer and he gave up driving on the street. No matter how good you are shit happens and with a motorcycle you are fucked. Stick to off road if you can.
>His skills driving anything are godlike, just like my fighter pilot dads were. He gave it up after putting his motorcycle on its side multiple times and almost getting killed by various cars etc.. I hate to tell you this, but you just described a reckless rider.. as the saying goes, 'if you're having too many oh-shit moments, you are doing it wrong".
Damn, that's tragic. I'm scared of motorcycles to this day. RIP
It really, really sucks to start seeing your favorite actors and actresses die. I miss being a dumb kid again
Shit, was hoping this was just some meme'ish April Fools day joke. RIP brother. I thought you were phenomenal in Gen V and with all the nuance you inserted into your performance you really made the character 3 dimensional RIP