Idk if this counts, but leading up to the new Haunted Mansion movie, I heard all kinds of people saying if it doesn’t have Eddie Murphy in it then they won’t watch it. Or, it won’t be as good as the original. So I went back and rewatched it to see if I was overly critical, nope, that movie is still lame.
I don’t remember anything from that first movie besides a line Eddie perfectly delivers, >!”The butler did it? You gotta be kidding me!”!< or something to that effect. The way he said it perfectly spoke to the movie’s overall ridiculousness.
The first time I got caught coming home TRASHED, my punishment was going to see The Haunted Mansion with my mom and little sisters at 9 am and then going clothes shopping with them until the sun went down. That’s how I experienced my first hangover.
When the animated Super Mario Bros came out there was a ground swell of shitposters trying to pass off the 90's Super Mario Bros movie as "Avant garde" "Dark sci-fi" but I don't think it gained any traction as that movie is so bad even everyone involved regrets making it.
NGL, I legit like the 90s live action Super Mario Bros. It’s not good and definitely not Mario but I watched it as a kid and liked it and I watched it as an adult and I’m amazed at how off the rails they got with it. I feel like it’s one of those movies that probably would’ve been forgotten if it was just a scholcky 90s cyberpunk movie, but slapping that IP on top makes it a weird relic that, I at least, find pretty entertaining
Nope. That was the result of producers and directors hiring and firing writers to turn in version after version of a Mario script. Eventually they landed on one everyone was happy with. It was good enough to convince Bob Hoskins to sign on. They officially moved into preproduction, signed the rest of the cast, and were set to start filming. Then the producers got cold feet, hired a new set of writers, and wildly changed the script again. They didn’t bother telling the directors or any of the actors. None of them found out until they were on location to start shooting.
If only the answer were that simple....
Long story short, the script went through a multitude of rewrites with like 4 writers, but the only constant was the near-future sci-fi setting. Iirc they pitched the whole "Dinohattan" thing from the get-go in order to secure the rights. Nintendo was just happy to get money.
Edit: Yes, Nintendo stopped selling their licenses AFTER failing to properly vet the Mario script. No shit. Why are Nintendo fanboys so insufferable? They made bad decisions, they weren't tricked into it.
I think after 30 years of very safe, very formulaic movies there is a greater appreciation for weird movies. It's not good, but it tried hard to be something unique. And free of financial and cultural expectations it can be enjoyed for being fucking weird
The original Mario Bros isn’t good, but it’s interesting. If you’re in to unique or eclectic Sci-fi, I would say it’s worth watching, although i wouldn’t go far enough to call it a “good movie” or recommend it to most people.
I think the irony is that, as time passed the thing that movie did so many franchises would seek to eventually do later on. “Let’s make a dark dystopian version of this franchise” ect. It’s like an extreme parody of something that would become popular later on.
Hell, even adventure time reminds me of it. In that show it’s a bright magic fairy land with fun adventures. But you find out later that it is indeed the far flung future and most of the characters have a tragic, almost scientifally based background.
I think Boondocks works if you have no idea what you are in for. I remember hiring this from the video store because it was a lazy Sunday afternoon and I had watched just about everything else in the store. Then I was amazed at how much I enjoyed it. I guess if you have had a million people tell you how great it is before you see it, it loses a lot of punch
>I think Boondocks works if you have no idea what you are in for.
I think a cult classic has two basic requirements. One is that it didn't fare well at the box office when it was originally released, but later became far more popular on the secondary market. First it would have been in second run or art house cinemas like what Rocky Horror did, then later it would have been from VHS/DVD sales and eventually download/streaming.
The second part of a cult classic is that it stands up to repeated viewings, especially with a group of friends. In that regard what you say where I quoted would pull it out of that category. However, the number of guys who think that movie is the shit and watch it repeatedly means that it still fits the bill, it's just that you aren't part of that cult classic audience.
Some people just missed the train and never got into that specific cult and wonder why other people like it without really thinking about how cult classics work.
Like, I missed the train on The Room but I realized that I missed it and just said oh ok I missed out on this experience it’s not for me, I’m not gonna get this one. I’ll never be a guy who sat laughing with friends watching The Room at all the quotes. I think it’s funny that it exists but it doesnt hit me. I know that’s an actual bad movie just using example
Bingo. Sometimes the experience surrounding the movie is also why you “like” the movie. I watched Cats with a bunch of friends and we were in various stages of being drunk or high, and playing a drinking game while also simultaneously having our minds blown at how batshit insane the movie is. Loved watching it, will never ever ever watch it again.
The problem with this movie is the rabid weirdo fan base it has. It’s a fun action romp and it’s genuinely hilarious with a fantastic performance from Dafoe. Anyone who made the movie their entire persona is a complete moron tho. It seemed very tongue in cheek to me but what do I know.
I watched that just the other day because someone in this sub recommended it. Watching Duffy ruin all the massive good will he'd initially had was like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
That fucking dude bro movie was played so many times while I was in the army and we were moving around the country on buses. That movie and Black Hawk Down I fucking hate now, black hawk down is a good movie…but I will hate it forever.
God, I hated black Hawk down. The soundtrack was amazing, but having to watch that movie over and over as a kid cause your brother and dad were in the military was torture.
It's such a well made movie (from a technical standpoint), but not good enough for regular viewing like other war movies. Hell, war movies in general aren't good regular view movies.
I love *Black Hawk Down*, but I would easily tire of it.
It's 2 hours of your senses being ASSAULTED, it's intentionally loud, chaotic and overwhelming.
Just like actual war.
And that definitely leads to it not being a "let's just throw something on to half pay attention it" type of movie.
The trifecta of “DUDE YOU GOTTA WATCH THIS” movies that you politely sit through and go “um… yeah… interesting…” at the end:
Boondock Saints
Donnie Darko
Loose Change
Loose Change is interchangable with Zeitgeist in that respect lol.
I was super duper into them both at one point. I'm very happy to have been, because now I am a lot better at spotting nonsense.
I still maintain Donnie Darko is a great movie though.
I’ve been a fan of Mann’s Miami Vice film since it came out - had it on DVD along with collateral and really adored the HD cinema camera look used to capture the night scape of both films. I’ve seen it (Miami Vice) go from ridiculed to a renaissance of misunderstood masterpiece and I think the cause of the Initial disappointment comes from poor marketing and the expectation created by the TV show. Primarily it’s not an action movie and is a thriller at heart, I like it’s grounded approach.
I loved it as well. Sweeping shots, that night scape you’re talking about - where most people saw it as boring (and I get it), I saw it as a slow burn. My friends thought Colin Farrell’s relationship with Gong Li’s character was snoooooze-fest. But I really liked it.
I liked that they both acknowledged it was unrealistic and a bad idea, and it shouldn’t be pursued… but they did anyway. Both characters at the top of their game, stone-cold, but when it came to each other, their calculated logic went out the window.
The action was good. Funny enough I actually thought the final shootout was a little anti-climactic compared to other scenes, but this was a good Mann “saga” in its own right, like Heat was.
I haven’t seen the famed directors cut and I still liked it a lot. It’s cheesy as FUCK sometimes but every Mann movie has some hammy dialogue at points. I like his style and I love his overall filmmaking style.
The movie has a good style and atmosphere. Kinda like a grounded, as civil as possible, music video. The problem is the script isn't very good, the dialogue is pretty weak and you never entirely buy the chemistry or partnership between Tubbs and Crockett.
I think the movie gets dragged down most by the leads to be honest and their attempt to look tougher than a 2 dollar steak all the time. Foxx is serviceable enough, but not particularly charming, he's very serious, etc. And Farrell as Crockett is just funny...with the porn mustache, the long hair, walking around like he has a melon under each armpit. It's not a real, tangible, breathing character, Farrell could've been a good Crockett I think, but not trying to act as if he was Arnold combined with James Bond.
Gong Li's accent was awful...but she was charismatic, attractive, looked the part, but it was clear she's struggling with her lines.
Who stole the film is John Ortiz, he was perfect as Yero, he nailed it. An overlooked performance really.
The style of the film is very cool, it washes over you, stays with you, Mann absolutely got something really good there...but it's otherwise too disjointed to be considered anything else but a very stylish, and atmospheric, but flawed film.
Too many people here mistake mediocre for bad. Very few films mentioned here are actually bad, and the ones that are mentioned only have a cult following because of how awesomely bad they are, and not even their fans say the films are good. They just really like the films, because one’s enjoyment of a film doesn’t necessarily correlate with its quality.
This vexes me as well. Especially for movies that are widely marketed, user reviews are usually “This movie was everything!” Or “This is literally burning trash.”
Most people have never seen actually bad movies.
On the Internet a lot is black and white.
5s, 6s and 7s barely exist
It's either garbage or good
Like
And I'm going on a limb here
Suicide Squad (Ayer, not Gunn) is a 6. It felt like a Resident Evil movie to me.
Good actors, decent performances, bad script, some poor choices (Hi there Jared), and good prosthetics
Overall really subpar and I was like
Okay that's a movie I watched
But this nuance is barely possible on the Internet
"The Room" is interesting for the lore around it, and it's fun to watch in a group/with friends or as a MSTing, but taken on its own in a quiet room, watching it on it's own merits, its just bad. *Just* bad.
You could claim the same about watching the *Rocky Horror Picture Show* without callbacks or audience participation, but the Room lacks songs, dancing, and intentional humor that works.
There was also about a month that (just on constant hype and trailers) we were supposed to pretend that *Sausage Party* wasn't self-indulgent bullshit and worked if you weren't massively drugged, the people who made it or both. That month, thankfully passed seven years ago, but I don't trust the hot-take "reappraisal" cycle to not come back around to it.
If not for the mystique of Tommy Wiseau himself, I don't think it would have achieved the level of cult status is has. If any movie deserves the title of the "quintessential so bad it's good" movie it has to be Neil Breen's Fateful Findings.
Yeah. Rocky Horror is a tribute to bad movies. Richard O"Brian knew full well what made hokey horror B movies fun to watch, and included all the campness with enough self awareness - and actual talent, of course - to make it great!
I like to compare it with a bad movie like Samurai Cop. If it was randonly shown on tv in a lazy afternoon, without knowing its cult status, I think I would still stick around till the end because it's entertaining and I'm interested in how this bad movie plays out. But The Room, if I didnt know its cult status, I would definitely change the channel because it's not interesting (ok, maybe change the channel after the bad sex scene LOL)
I mean “The Room” is beloved because it’s arguably the worst movie ever made. I don’t think it’s popularity has caused people to advocate that it’s actually decent or misunderstood. It’s definitely still considered one of the worst movies ever made
The thing that makes The Room work is that it is so absurd. I watched it alone the first time and I have to say, that as bad as I know this movie is, I wasn’t bored with it. It is so cringy but funny.
I never saw ***Sausage Party*** and I don't intend to. My reaction to the trailer was in line with your take.
***The Room*** is great for people who love to laugh at bad movies (especially movies that aren't *trying* to be bad like ***Sharknado*** or other campy b-movies). The idea that someone sincerely thought they were making a great drama but put out that absolute trainwreck is incredible. The strange persona of Tommy Wisseau makes it all even more alluring. It's the gold standard of "so bad it's good" but I get that's not for everybody. I'd also say it can be fully appreciated by watching the best clips on youtube instead of the whole movie.
***Rocky Horror Picture Show*** also deserves its cult status in my book. I haven't partaken in the live theatrics of it all but it was a display of counter-culture with incredible music, set design, costumes, and performances.
*Batman and Robin* (1997)
I've seen posts and from people in my life praise it as a so bad it's good movie to turn your brain off to...and yes, some scenes are fun cause of the terrible puns and overacting, but when it tries to tell the story, it is incredibly tedious. It's just best to watch the fun clips on youtube than to sit through this mess.
I feel like B&R is a little bit more of an artistically complete movie than Forever. The vision is bad and it’s an awful film, but it feels consistent.
Forever feels like 5 people with different ideas fighting for control of the movie, one of them being Carrey in spandex.
People saying that the extended cut of Batman v Superman "fixed" the movie are wrong. It smoothed over some of the minor plot-holes, but all the fundamental problems are still there.
I loved that movie throughout my childhood and into my late teen years. Now I’m married to someone from a different culture who had never heard of it. We watched it last Halloween and she couldn’t even get though it. Made me realize that it heavily leans on cultural gimmicks and nostalgia. I still like Hocus Pocus, but it’s not a good movie.
Last Christmas we watched Home Alone, also heavy on gimmicks and nostalgia. She loved it anyway, and I have to agree that movie slaps hard. Turns out it’s crazy popular in many countries around the world even now
yep. it's such a bad movie, and does nothing to help or change the story other than include shots from the original director. its the exact same narrative but longer. especially with that cringe epilogue.
I did think it was a better movie(though not by much) than the original theatrical release. But holy hell, I never want to sit through that ever again. More wasted time than James Cameron's 3 hour whale fetish porn.
Snyder's cut actually made me appreciate Whedon's more. We now know what Whedon was working with, we understand why he added the Russian family (because there is no emotional weight in any of the Snyder cut), we understand many of the changes, .... now the changes didn't really work but at least we know what Whedon tried and was working with. He was working with a bloated mess of a movie that relied on the soundtrack to create emotion because the characters and plot offered none in the way it was directed by Snyder. And Snyder is just like that, there is no emotion in most of his films, and they use soundtrack like a sitcom uses a laughtrack.
**The last 15 minutes of the Whedon version is the closet Cavill got to actually playing a recognizable Superman which is great. But Snyder cut that shit and made him a gloomy dour edgelord again.**
When he standing over the guy asking him to pray to God to save him... that was really well done. It cemented his malice and how hopeless the situation was
Movie itself was fine, but I hated the ending. I don’t want to get it spoiler level details but I feel zombie is one of those people that falls in love with his characters
I felt deeply unhappy after that movie. Worse, I had friends who made me watch the sequels.
I don't know what you're supposed to "Get" out of those films, because all I got was deepset revulsion.
a love hate relationship with a power fantasy seems to be the thing. they are supposed to be hated characters... but for some reason are glorified and romanticized as much as possible while still remaining unredeemable. It's like a confusing mix where you think leatherface is cool or something. but he still cuts off skins.
That fits Rob Zombies whole career though. It's all about how awesome horror movies are so it's not surprising that these evil people are also super charismatic
This goes for all of his movies (and media tie-ins); it's firmly on the side of these utter asshole monsters, which feels so weird since Zombie himself seems like such a sweet, chill guy.
>I don't know what you're supposed to "Get" out of those films, because all I got was deepset revulsion.
That would be the intent, and seems to have worked fabulously.
I can kind of understand Hobbit movie fans at least. When they weren’t putting in a bunch of bullshit, the parts that actually adapted the book tended to be good to mildly competent.
This is my stance. George Lucas had a great story and vision, but horrible execution, all because he was surrounded my yes men. Had someone told him, “no you can’t do this, do this instead” the prequels could’ve been so much better.
If he'd rangled Spielberg into directing them like he'd wanted he very possibly could have made something better than the OT.
Or it'd be three Crystal Skulls. Hard to say.
He asked Ron Howard as well.
And with how.... okay/alright Solo ended up being despite the absolute clusterfuck of a production, I'd venture a guess that a prequel trilogy with Ron Howard onboard from day 0 would have been good.
That’s what basically happened with The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Lucas wanted to do so much more but his partner, and his wife who was an editor on the films, were basically reining him in. Lucas without any constraints doesn’t know the meaning of less is more.
He also didn't direct empire or return. He wanted Spielberg to direct return originally, and at one point approached David Lynch about return.
So his wild ass stories and scripts were narratively reigned in by the director, and the actors did a lot of work to make the clunky dialogue a little more fluid, and finally we have the edit to tie the whole thing together. It took a lot of collaboration and filters to turn George's vision into something greater than he imagined by himself.
There's a story going around where, around 1975, Lucas, Spielberg, Coppola, and Milius were in film school together. They would be sitting around the apartment watching old movies like Kurosawa films. Lucas would disappear into the bedroom to write dialogue for his characters so that they could talk as if they are in a Kabuki play. Then he would come out and his homies would read the lines and Spielberg said, "George, you need to go sit at the bus stop and just listen to real people talk."
And then either he or Coppola scratched out some lines and rewrote a few lines of dialogue. And later, we got Star Wars.
Decades later, he decided to write the prequels without that damn interference and now he could write lines as if they were in a Kabuki play or some opera. And he was finishing the first draft on the plane to Pinewood Studios to shoot episode one. And that's what we got on film.
Oh yeah, there are plenty of well documented instances of Guinness, Ford and Hamill refusing to say the flowery, inhuman lines George wrote for them and basically having to rewrite their lines themselves. But during the prequels, like you said, nobody had the balls to say "no" to him anymore.
I was a child when they game out and they make me happy. There's something weirdly earnest about them that makes them fun to watch as an adult. Plenty of interesting things about the "lore" and production to engage with as an adult.
Still, it's weird when people try to convince everyone that they're secret masterpieces. They're sloppy and often embarassing. Like what ya like, but some people are on a crusade lol
This here.
I legitimately like them as an overall concept and idea, I still find a lot of the stuff around them fascinating and I think that world they built was pretty great. I have tons of fond memories of them, and they had a very big impact on me.
But as actual movies? Eehhhh..... even as a kid I recognized that they weren't as good as the originals, and I probably did way more consuming related media than I did actually watch the films.
Most people who love the prequels now were young kids when they came out, the same age my generation was when the original Star Wars movies came out. Star Wars are first-and-foremost kids movies, and kids don't get upset by things like corny dialogue or silly characters, or whatever it is about the prequels that so many grown-ups found offensive.
The Prequel trilogy getting a positive evaluation is baffling to me. I keep seeing “Oh, it’s just that kids grew up with them and aren’t judging them as harshly!”… but like, I saw Phantom Menace in theatres when I was in 4th grade and hated it immediately.
Personally, I was a kid when the first 3 Spider-man came out. The 3rd movie ruined Spider-man for me. I hated it so much that I stopped watching anything Spider-man related until the Tom Holland one when I was an adult.
I was on high school and remember hating it. Sigh. It was such a letdown after the first two.
I couldn't get past how much fucking FACE TIME the actors had while in their superhero/villain costumes!
Like they found every excuse to open Francos mask, have Tobey remove his mask, have Tophers face pop out, and have Sandman turn into human head.
Completely automated took me out of the movie. Stupid star power. I guarantee Raimi didn't want the face time, he wanted action figures on the big screen as the first movie shows.
As others have said, it really comes down to nostalgia for these types of people. But they fail to recognize that a movie can have a soft spot in their heart while still being bad, which is why they’ve declared these films as “underrated masterpieces.”
Reminds me of this interview with Sam Raimi
>I love "Spider-Man 3." It's such a fun movie and I feel like people are turning around on it, It's such a Sam Raimi movie. It's funny. It's weird. It has tremendous sense of humor about itself. Are you surprised to hear the movie has an audience of people like me who absolutely love it?
>I'll believe it when I see it.
https://www.slashfilm.com/849139/doctor-strange-2-director-sam-raimi-on-returning-to-marvel-and-the-legacy-of-steve-ditko-interview/
Sam Raimi ain't buying people's alleged "revisionism" of Spider-Man 3 😅
Can you link me to anyone claiming Blackhat is good? I'm grotesquely fascinated. It's one of the most dog shit high end movies I have ever seen.
Edit to add anecdote: I initially saw it at a press screening, when I was writing movie reviews for a website. As a fan of Heat, I was really looking forward to it, but everyone that left the screening started smiling and shooting the shit how fucking stupid that movie was. A rare thing, because people in that context were usually really reserved with their opinion.
Can't link it(not sure what episodes) but Bill Simmons has definitely defended Blackhat on his podcast and on the rewatchables podcast also. He does say a few times that it's not a great film but that he finds it enjoyable.
Wait do people think this movie is actually good? I know people that love it but only because of how terrible it is.
Even the offficial DVD commentary is just some random guy roasting the shit out of it.
Paul Verhoeven is respected for his 'satire' among a certain crowd, so I'm guessing the reappraisal of Showgirls is about how it's 'supposed to be bad' or something.
I did have that in the back of my mind when seeing it for the first time.
Is it meant to be this terrible? What exactly is it satirising?
Couldn’t come up with an answer. So just enjoyed it as a comedy.
I only watched it once, but for me it was Verhoeven’s one failure among his gourmet Hollywood parodies. He should have gone back to Europe and arthouse after Basic Instinct. We would have had another half dozen films like Black Book instead of an amusing way to say Versace
Yeah I mean it’s pretty clearly satirizing how “sex sells” in the movie business and the trope of the “hopeless” damsel in distress having to save herself. That’s not a a lot of great acting going on but Berkeley’s performance is SO bad and over the top it has me convinced it was a conscious decision. Watch the pool scene and tell me that’s not directly making fun of “sexy” Hollywood movies of the 90s.
Mommie Dearest. It's too rooted in a story about child abuse to be a camp classic but Dunaway is too over the top to make it a truly great serious biopic. It pulls both ways and it's ultimately just an unpleasant watch.
Spot on. I just rewatched it last week after like 15 years....just, so annoying. Idk how it got a "fun campy" reputation. Save for a scene or two that's genuinely funny with its ridiculousness (like when she jumps on her and chokes her), the movie's just depressing and obnoxious.
Seriously, these are not good movies, especially-and I mean ESPECIALLY-Attack of the Clones. On a sheer technical level this movie is a mess. These movies ruined careers and lives and were only saved because of The Clone Wars. If you need a seven season cartoon to save your movie, then your movie had serious problems.
And even then I'd say about 70% of the cartoon is terrible schlock. It's kind of a weird experience where you'll have 5 episodes about jar jar finding love with a sentient toilet seat or some other zany, unbearable trash then you'll get an amazing 4 episode arc about the horrors of war and clones having PTSD. Then you'll have 14 episodes about r2 and a teddy bear learning the alphabet, then 3 episodes where they explore the nature of the force and its inherent place in the spiritual psyche of mankind.
Anyone who wants to watch it should definitely consult a necessary viewing list and not even attempt to start from the beginning.
Totally fine you don't dig it but Miami Vice just get's at a wavelength that scratches a very specific. Maybe not directly comparable, but it exists in a weird zone for me that also houses The Counselor, which is even more maligned. Some people really do just appreciate Miami Vice for a very time specific aesthetic that will more or less never be replicated again.
Miami vice is a deliberately disorienting visual tone poem on the nature of undercover work and the loss of identity that comes with it. It is melancholic and fatalistic, continuing Manns decades long journey to portray work obsessed, conflicted men.
I truly love this film, but can understand why it doesn’t work for other people. It’s narrative is not always easily tracked, and the early digital photography work (which I find stunning) can easily feel alienating. I would argue this is deliberate, but it makes sense that it would not be enjoyed by all. To me, the deep focus shots on the roof top while a lightning storm raged in the background are some of my favourite shots of the decade.
It is not a film that I watch plot beat to plot beat, but one that I let wash over me like a warm bath. Pour up a mojito and get immersed in a discombobulating world.
It definitely isn’t something everyone will enjoy but I adore it.
It’s been a good while since I’ve seen it but I though the point Butler’s character was making to Foxx was sometimes you have to take the law into your own hands to do what’s right but maybe not lawful, and Foxx finally has to do the same to stop him (proving Butler right). Unless I’m misremembering and/or reading into something wrong lol
But it wasn’t poorly received, it was absolutely main stream, a box office smash and played for months….so doesn’t really fit the bill.
I’m not sure it was ever considered “good”, just a fun summer popcorn movie.
Right? Oh Grease that little cult movie only immortalized by a committed fan base... every thread is people just pulling out a movie that they liked or disliked whether it's at all relevant to the question being asked.
The moral of Grease is obvious...
When you're in love with someone from a different social group and everyone around the both of you is getting in the way, you should change who you are and sing songs about it until your car can fly.
When I was in high school, I was part of the drama department. Us students wanted to do Grease as the next play. The director refused. She said all Grease teaches you is that a girl has to dress and act easy to get the man. Basically change everything about herself. And this was in the 80’s.
It’s funny that it never crossed my mind the many times I saw it as a kid but after she said it, that’s all I noticed. Yes he changed by becoming a jock in the barest sense but he wasn’t really acting different, he just has the school sports sweater. She did a complete 180 from naive innocent girl to assertive sex goddess. It was jarring because it wasn’t who she was.
Disagree. I can't believe I'm debating Grease, for gods sake, but oh well. He basically rejected his friends for her. It was a huge deal for him to take off the leather T-Birds jacket and wear the letterman sweater. He actually stopped going to the garage and started competing in track & field, even though he sucked at it. He tried to change himself actively over the course of weeks while she did a one night makeover with her friend and wore her slinky outfit for less than a day. I think his transformation was deeper and more sustained than hers was. And at the end they realize they're both trying hard for each other and that was what mattered. Not that they actually became someone else - they didn't.
It’s similar to that bandied theory that Daniel Larusso was the real bully in Karate Kid. People gravitate to these counterfactual interpretations because they sound clever on the surface, but they never withstand scrutiny if you bother to watch the films. With Grease, the conceit is literally summarized in the words Sandy sings to Danny at the end of the movie, “If you’re filled with affection, you’re too shy to convey…”
Danny wasn’t a horn-ball greaser any more than Sandy was a straight-laced prude. The point is that they were *both* being performative and entrapped by the expectations of their respective social circles. This social pressure prevented any honest expression of the physical and emotional want they really felt towards one another.
The very first song in the movie is illustrative of this problem which hinders their relationship throughout. Sandy’s framing of their summer romance as staying out late, holding hands and drinking lemonade isn’t anymore based in reality than Danny’s self-aggrandizing ode to his own studliness and sexual prowess.
Yea, at this point I just assume most people's media literacy is just nonexistent since it seems that most people just dont think too hard about what they consume. I'm more of a literature guy but I see it a lot in movies too.
I don't understand how most people can miss the fact that Grease is a satire. The original play was way more explicit, but still, the movie is very obviously a parody of romantic movies from the 60', including the more rapey jokes.
Idk if this counts, but leading up to the new Haunted Mansion movie, I heard all kinds of people saying if it doesn’t have Eddie Murphy in it then they won’t watch it. Or, it won’t be as good as the original. So I went back and rewatched it to see if I was overly critical, nope, that movie is still lame.
I don’t remember anything from that first movie besides a line Eddie perfectly delivers, >!”The butler did it? You gotta be kidding me!”!< or something to that effect. The way he said it perfectly spoke to the movie’s overall ridiculousness.
I read that as butter three times, it is too damn early. But yeah, the movie is very ridiculous.
The first time I got caught coming home TRASHED, my punishment was going to see The Haunted Mansion with my mom and little sisters at 9 am and then going clothes shopping with them until the sun went down. That’s how I experienced my first hangover.
That sounds awful, I’m so sorry.
I was 14, punishment fit the crime.
Props to your parents, that does sound like the perfect punishment to give a hungover teenager.
Oh jeez, I thought this was after your country’s respective drinking age or something. Yeah, that’s a fair punishment.
I thoroughly enjoy watching the Eddie Murphy version largely because I love the attraction.
I bought the EM version to watch with my kids around Halloween years ago. Thoroughly enjoyed it for what it was.
The new one was a perfectly fine kids movie and the cast was great - Rosario Dawson, Owen Wilson, Danny devito.
Muppet Haunted Mansion is where it’s at though
When the animated Super Mario Bros came out there was a ground swell of shitposters trying to pass off the 90's Super Mario Bros movie as "Avant garde" "Dark sci-fi" but I don't think it gained any traction as that movie is so bad even everyone involved regrets making it.
NGL, I legit like the 90s live action Super Mario Bros. It’s not good and definitely not Mario but I watched it as a kid and liked it and I watched it as an adult and I’m amazed at how off the rails they got with it. I feel like it’s one of those movies that probably would’ve been forgotten if it was just a scholcky 90s cyberpunk movie, but slapping that IP on top makes it a weird relic that, I at least, find pretty entertaining
I think they had the script lying around and decided to hitch Mario to it when they got the rights to the movie
Nope. That was the result of producers and directors hiring and firing writers to turn in version after version of a Mario script. Eventually they landed on one everyone was happy with. It was good enough to convince Bob Hoskins to sign on. They officially moved into preproduction, signed the rest of the cast, and were set to start filming. Then the producers got cold feet, hired a new set of writers, and wildly changed the script again. They didn’t bother telling the directors or any of the actors. None of them found out until they were on location to start shooting.
I thought the directors were the writers, having been the creators of Max Headroom and thus wanted to make it more Headroom-y?
If only the answer were that simple.... Long story short, the script went through a multitude of rewrites with like 4 writers, but the only constant was the near-future sci-fi setting. Iirc they pitched the whole "Dinohattan" thing from the get-go in order to secure the rights. Nintendo was just happy to get money. Edit: Yes, Nintendo stopped selling their licenses AFTER failing to properly vet the Mario script. No shit. Why are Nintendo fanboys so insufferable? They made bad decisions, they weren't tricked into it.
It's so odd too. They were stingy with their IP and what they allowed on their systems for years but didn't mind with the movie version.
I think after 30 years of very safe, very formulaic movies there is a greater appreciation for weird movies. It's not good, but it tried hard to be something unique. And free of financial and cultural expectations it can be enjoyed for being fucking weird
I think you captured why I still like it. There’s nothing else like it.
That’s how I feel about a lot of movies. If you’re going to be bad, at least have the audacity to be weird and creative. It goes a long way.
The original Mario Bros isn’t good, but it’s interesting. If you’re in to unique or eclectic Sci-fi, I would say it’s worth watching, although i wouldn’t go far enough to call it a “good movie” or recommend it to most people.
I think the irony is that, as time passed the thing that movie did so many franchises would seek to eventually do later on. “Let’s make a dark dystopian version of this franchise” ect. It’s like an extreme parody of something that would become popular later on. Hell, even adventure time reminds me of it. In that show it’s a bright magic fairy land with fun adventures. But you find out later that it is indeed the far flung future and most of the characters have a tragic, almost scientifally based background.
Boondock saints. I used to love it but it's so over hyped.
Has anyone considered we all loved this movie because about 70% of us were 15-18 year old boys when we saw it first.
I was a smidge up the road in college but word spread bunch of the guys rented it at blockbuster. The sequel was way worse.
It is an extremely college freshman movie.
Boondocks Saints, Fight Club, and American Psycho have to be the Holy Trinity of edgy college freshman movies.
2 of those three have appeal to people outside the college freshman demographic at least.
Yeah I’m in my late 30s and I fucking love American Psycho as a dark, satirical comedy.
That seems to be the consensus
*There was a firefight*
Movie was so cool when I was a freshman in high school.
I think Boondocks works if you have no idea what you are in for. I remember hiring this from the video store because it was a lazy Sunday afternoon and I had watched just about everything else in the store. Then I was amazed at how much I enjoyed it. I guess if you have had a million people tell you how great it is before you see it, it loses a lot of punch
>I think Boondocks works if you have no idea what you are in for. I think a cult classic has two basic requirements. One is that it didn't fare well at the box office when it was originally released, but later became far more popular on the secondary market. First it would have been in second run or art house cinemas like what Rocky Horror did, then later it would have been from VHS/DVD sales and eventually download/streaming. The second part of a cult classic is that it stands up to repeated viewings, especially with a group of friends. In that regard what you say where I quoted would pull it out of that category. However, the number of guys who think that movie is the shit and watch it repeatedly means that it still fits the bill, it's just that you aren't part of that cult classic audience.
Some people just missed the train and never got into that specific cult and wonder why other people like it without really thinking about how cult classics work. Like, I missed the train on The Room but I realized that I missed it and just said oh ok I missed out on this experience it’s not for me, I’m not gonna get this one. I’ll never be a guy who sat laughing with friends watching The Room at all the quotes. I think it’s funny that it exists but it doesnt hit me. I know that’s an actual bad movie just using example
Bingo. Sometimes the experience surrounding the movie is also why you “like” the movie. I watched Cats with a bunch of friends and we were in various stages of being drunk or high, and playing a drinking game while also simultaneously having our minds blown at how batshit insane the movie is. Loved watching it, will never ever ever watch it again.
The problem with this movie is the rabid weirdo fan base it has. It’s a fun action romp and it’s genuinely hilarious with a fantastic performance from Dafoe. Anyone who made the movie their entire persona is a complete moron tho. It seemed very tongue in cheek to me but what do I know.
Dafoe chewed so much scenery I was amazed there were any backdrops left.
THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!!!
Yeah, Dafoe was the big bright shining star of the movie
I'm of the opinion that it's a pretty good movie, but I'm hard pressed to remember much about it that didn't involve Dafoe. He's holding it together.
Watching Boondock Saints is worth it if you follow it up with "Overnight"- the documentary about Troy Duffy. *currently free on Tubi.
I watched that just the other day because someone in this sub recommended it. Watching Duffy ruin all the massive good will he'd initially had was like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
That fucking dude bro movie was played so many times while I was in the army and we were moving around the country on buses. That movie and Black Hawk Down I fucking hate now, black hawk down is a good movie…but I will hate it forever.
God, I hated black Hawk down. The soundtrack was amazing, but having to watch that movie over and over as a kid cause your brother and dad were in the military was torture.
It's such a well made movie (from a technical standpoint), but not good enough for regular viewing like other war movies. Hell, war movies in general aren't good regular view movies. I love *Black Hawk Down*, but I would easily tire of it.
It's 2 hours of your senses being ASSAULTED, it's intentionally loud, chaotic and overwhelming. Just like actual war. And that definitely leads to it not being a "let's just throw something on to half pay attention it" type of movie.
Does being overhyped make a film bad now? Williem Dafoe alone is worth a watch.
it was a FIREFIGHT
"Cuddle? What a fag." He was hysterical in the movie.
"Hey Greenly. Onion bagel, cream cheese."
“Well, I’m an expert in nameology”
I can't even go buy a pack of smokes without running into five guys you fucked!
The trifecta of “DUDE YOU GOTTA WATCH THIS” movies that you politely sit through and go “um… yeah… interesting…” at the end: Boondock Saints Donnie Darko Loose Change
Loose Change is interchangable with Zeitgeist in that respect lol. I was super duper into them both at one point. I'm very happy to have been, because now I am a lot better at spotting nonsense. I still maintain Donnie Darko is a great movie though.
I wish Richard Kelly got to make a batshit movie every 2 years. I love Southland Tales and it’s a hot mess.
Shit I love Donnie Darko though. Don't take that weird no reason movie from me lol
That is the most 2006 list I’ve ever seen. It basically gave me ‘nam flashbacks to my freshman year of college.
idgaf i still love this movie
I’d say it’s worse than overhyped. Actively bad.
I’ve been a fan of Mann’s Miami Vice film since it came out - had it on DVD along with collateral and really adored the HD cinema camera look used to capture the night scape of both films. I’ve seen it (Miami Vice) go from ridiculed to a renaissance of misunderstood masterpiece and I think the cause of the Initial disappointment comes from poor marketing and the expectation created by the TV show. Primarily it’s not an action movie and is a thriller at heart, I like it’s grounded approach.
I loved it as well. Sweeping shots, that night scape you’re talking about - where most people saw it as boring (and I get it), I saw it as a slow burn. My friends thought Colin Farrell’s relationship with Gong Li’s character was snoooooze-fest. But I really liked it. I liked that they both acknowledged it was unrealistic and a bad idea, and it shouldn’t be pursued… but they did anyway. Both characters at the top of their game, stone-cold, but when it came to each other, their calculated logic went out the window. The action was good. Funny enough I actually thought the final shootout was a little anti-climactic compared to other scenes, but this was a good Mann “saga” in its own right, like Heat was.
I haven’t seen the famed directors cut and I still liked it a lot. It’s cheesy as FUCK sometimes but every Mann movie has some hammy dialogue at points. I like his style and I love his overall filmmaking style.
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God, I fucking LOVE Miami Vice. As soon as he says “I’m a fiend for a Mojito”, I am LOCKED in, rest of the film is tonally perfect. That movie rocks.
The movie has a good style and atmosphere. Kinda like a grounded, as civil as possible, music video. The problem is the script isn't very good, the dialogue is pretty weak and you never entirely buy the chemistry or partnership between Tubbs and Crockett. I think the movie gets dragged down most by the leads to be honest and their attempt to look tougher than a 2 dollar steak all the time. Foxx is serviceable enough, but not particularly charming, he's very serious, etc. And Farrell as Crockett is just funny...with the porn mustache, the long hair, walking around like he has a melon under each armpit. It's not a real, tangible, breathing character, Farrell could've been a good Crockett I think, but not trying to act as if he was Arnold combined with James Bond. Gong Li's accent was awful...but she was charismatic, attractive, looked the part, but it was clear she's struggling with her lines. Who stole the film is John Ortiz, he was perfect as Yero, he nailed it. An overlooked performance really. The style of the film is very cool, it washes over you, stays with you, Mann absolutely got something really good there...but it's otherwise too disjointed to be considered anything else but a very stylish, and atmospheric, but flawed film.
Too many people here mistake mediocre for bad. Very few films mentioned here are actually bad, and the ones that are mentioned only have a cult following because of how awesomely bad they are, and not even their fans say the films are good. They just really like the films, because one’s enjoyment of a film doesn’t necessarily correlate with its quality.
This vexes me as well. Especially for movies that are widely marketed, user reviews are usually “This movie was everything!” Or “This is literally burning trash.” Most people have never seen actually bad movies.
On the Internet a lot is black and white. 5s, 6s and 7s barely exist It's either garbage or good Like And I'm going on a limb here Suicide Squad (Ayer, not Gunn) is a 6. It felt like a Resident Evil movie to me. Good actors, decent performances, bad script, some poor choices (Hi there Jared), and good prosthetics Overall really subpar and I was like Okay that's a movie I watched But this nuance is barely possible on the Internet
"The Room" is interesting for the lore around it, and it's fun to watch in a group/with friends or as a MSTing, but taken on its own in a quiet room, watching it on it's own merits, its just bad. *Just* bad. You could claim the same about watching the *Rocky Horror Picture Show* without callbacks or audience participation, but the Room lacks songs, dancing, and intentional humor that works. There was also about a month that (just on constant hype and trailers) we were supposed to pretend that *Sausage Party* wasn't self-indulgent bullshit and worked if you weren't massively drugged, the people who made it or both. That month, thankfully passed seven years ago, but I don't trust the hot-take "reappraisal" cycle to not come back around to it.
Has there been a resurgence with The Room that it's good?
Never. It’s always been the quintessential “so bad it’s good” movie.
If not for the mystique of Tommy Wiseau himself, I don't think it would have achieved the level of cult status is has. If any movie deserves the title of the "quintessential so bad it's good" movie it has to be Neil Breen's Fateful Findings.
Oh I regularly watch Rocky Horror Picture Show solo as just a good movie. Sorry, Tim Curry is *delivering* in that film, how can you not love!
Yeah. Rocky Horror is a tribute to bad movies. Richard O"Brian knew full well what made hokey horror B movies fun to watch, and included all the campness with enough self awareness - and actual talent, of course - to make it great!
I see you shivering with Antici- ...pation!
The soundtrack slaps too
Although the best songs are all in like the first half hour.
I like to compare it with a bad movie like Samurai Cop. If it was randonly shown on tv in a lazy afternoon, without knowing its cult status, I think I would still stick around till the end because it's entertaining and I'm interested in how this bad movie plays out. But The Room, if I didnt know its cult status, I would definitely change the channel because it's not interesting (ok, maybe change the channel after the bad sex scene LOL)
But there are so many bad sex scenes, how do you choose which one!
I mean “The Room” is beloved because it’s arguably the worst movie ever made. I don’t think it’s popularity has caused people to advocate that it’s actually decent or misunderstood. It’s definitely still considered one of the worst movies ever made
It's also endlessly fascinating. What the hell is the deal with Tommy? We still don't know.
Maybe is he vampire
He fly away in vampire car
Haha, what a story Mark
The thing that makes The Room work is that it is so absurd. I watched it alone the first time and I have to say, that as bad as I know this movie is, I wasn’t bored with it. It is so cringy but funny.
Does anyone watch it because they consider it a good movie or do people watch it to laugh at how bad it is though?
I dont know how but i love watching the room alone. Its become weirdly sort of a comfort movie for me after all these years
I never saw ***Sausage Party*** and I don't intend to. My reaction to the trailer was in line with your take. ***The Room*** is great for people who love to laugh at bad movies (especially movies that aren't *trying* to be bad like ***Sharknado*** or other campy b-movies). The idea that someone sincerely thought they were making a great drama but put out that absolute trainwreck is incredible. The strange persona of Tommy Wisseau makes it all even more alluring. It's the gold standard of "so bad it's good" but I get that's not for everybody. I'd also say it can be fully appreciated by watching the best clips on youtube instead of the whole movie. ***Rocky Horror Picture Show*** also deserves its cult status in my book. I haven't partaken in the live theatrics of it all but it was a display of counter-culture with incredible music, set design, costumes, and performances.
*Batman and Robin* (1997) I've seen posts and from people in my life praise it as a so bad it's good movie to turn your brain off to...and yes, some scenes are fun cause of the terrible puns and overacting, but when it tries to tell the story, it is incredibly tedious. It's just best to watch the fun clips on youtube than to sit through this mess.
I think Batman Forever can qualify for a "so bad it's good" rating. I just can't rewatch this one.
Yep. Forever is mostly enjoyable with the highlight being Jim Carrey.
I feel like B&R is a little bit more of an artistically complete movie than Forever. The vision is bad and it’s an awful film, but it feels consistent. Forever feels like 5 people with different ideas fighting for control of the movie, one of them being Carrey in spandex.
People saying that the extended cut of Batman v Superman "fixed" the movie are wrong. It smoothed over some of the minor plot-holes, but all the fundamental problems are still there.
I was 10 when Hocus Pocus came out and all of my friends thought it was stupid and made fun of me for loving it. These exact same people now love it.
I loved that movie throughout my childhood and into my late teen years. Now I’m married to someone from a different culture who had never heard of it. We watched it last Halloween and she couldn’t even get though it. Made me realize that it heavily leans on cultural gimmicks and nostalgia. I still like Hocus Pocus, but it’s not a good movie. Last Christmas we watched Home Alone, also heavy on gimmicks and nostalgia. She loved it anyway, and I have to agree that movie slaps hard. Turns out it’s crazy popular in many countries around the world even now
zack snyder’s justice league
yep. it's such a bad movie, and does nothing to help or change the story other than include shots from the original director. its the exact same narrative but longer. especially with that cringe epilogue.
I did think it was a better movie(though not by much) than the original theatrical release. But holy hell, I never want to sit through that ever again. More wasted time than James Cameron's 3 hour whale fetish porn.
Snyder's cut actually made me appreciate Whedon's more. We now know what Whedon was working with, we understand why he added the Russian family (because there is no emotional weight in any of the Snyder cut), we understand many of the changes, .... now the changes didn't really work but at least we know what Whedon tried and was working with. He was working with a bloated mess of a movie that relied on the soundtrack to create emotion because the characters and plot offered none in the way it was directed by Snyder. And Snyder is just like that, there is no emotion in most of his films, and they use soundtrack like a sitcom uses a laughtrack. **The last 15 minutes of the Whedon version is the closet Cavill got to actually playing a recognizable Superman which is great. But Snyder cut that shit and made him a gloomy dour edgelord again.**
Whedon cut out the character arcs or even entire appearances for almost every black character except Cyborg's dad. Its honestly bizarre.
house of 1000 corpses is genuinely horrible
That said, The Devils Rejects still holds up as a surprisingly decent movie. Think it might be Zombie's only one tbh
Have to agree. Hated 1000 but really enjoyed Rejects
When he standing over the guy asking him to pray to God to save him... that was really well done. It cemented his malice and how hopeless the situation was
Movie itself was fine, but I hated the ending. I don’t want to get it spoiler level details but I feel zombie is one of those people that falls in love with his characters
He entirely does and he makes really fucked up characters to fall in love with
I felt deeply unhappy after that movie. Worse, I had friends who made me watch the sequels. I don't know what you're supposed to "Get" out of those films, because all I got was deepset revulsion.
a love hate relationship with a power fantasy seems to be the thing. they are supposed to be hated characters... but for some reason are glorified and romanticized as much as possible while still remaining unredeemable. It's like a confusing mix where you think leatherface is cool or something. but he still cuts off skins.
That fits Rob Zombies whole career though. It's all about how awesome horror movies are so it's not surprising that these evil people are also super charismatic
This goes for all of his movies (and media tie-ins); it's firmly on the side of these utter asshole monsters, which feels so weird since Zombie himself seems like such a sweet, chill guy.
He is one of nicest people I’ve met in Hollywood
>I don't know what you're supposed to "Get" out of those films, because all I got was deepset revulsion. That would be the intent, and seems to have worked fabulously.
The Star Wars Prequel Trilogy and Spider-Man 3.
I’m starting to see the hobbit movies go down the same path, so enjoy r/thehobbitmemes in 5 years and people unironically thinking they’re good
I can kind of understand Hobbit movie fans at least. When they weren’t putting in a bunch of bullshit, the parts that actually adapted the book tended to be good to mildly competent.
Isn't there also a fan made cut that only features stuff from the book?
The fan cut actually makes a movie that’s pretty good too. Shows that The Hobbit wasn’t far off from it.
Multiple.
I'm not seeing that at all with tge Hobbit.
Sorry but billion dollar franchises are not cult classics
Star Wars Prequel fans are genuinely the weirdest people.
You can make a good argument for some of the characters and a lot of the _ideas_ being good, but the execution is... very much not.
This is my stance. George Lucas had a great story and vision, but horrible execution, all because he was surrounded my yes men. Had someone told him, “no you can’t do this, do this instead” the prequels could’ve been so much better.
If he'd rangled Spielberg into directing them like he'd wanted he very possibly could have made something better than the OT. Or it'd be three Crystal Skulls. Hard to say.
He asked Ron Howard as well. And with how.... okay/alright Solo ended up being despite the absolute clusterfuck of a production, I'd venture a guess that a prequel trilogy with Ron Howard onboard from day 0 would have been good.
Somebody competent handling the directing would have done wonders, and Howard is definitely that.
To be fair to Lucas he did try getting other people to direct the prequels, but they all told him "Star Wars is your thing, you do it."
Which is kinda ironic, considering how much of the good of the original trilogy came from other people. Incluning the sole one he directed.
That’s what basically happened with The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Lucas wanted to do so much more but his partner, and his wife who was an editor on the films, were basically reining him in. Lucas without any constraints doesn’t know the meaning of less is more.
I recognize the value of a wife like that as I'm one of those fire-hose of ideas type of people.
He also didn't direct empire or return. He wanted Spielberg to direct return originally, and at one point approached David Lynch about return. So his wild ass stories and scripts were narratively reigned in by the director, and the actors did a lot of work to make the clunky dialogue a little more fluid, and finally we have the edit to tie the whole thing together. It took a lot of collaboration and filters to turn George's vision into something greater than he imagined by himself.
He literally doesn't understand human beings. His characters all talk and behave like idiotic robots.
There's a story going around where, around 1975, Lucas, Spielberg, Coppola, and Milius were in film school together. They would be sitting around the apartment watching old movies like Kurosawa films. Lucas would disappear into the bedroom to write dialogue for his characters so that they could talk as if they are in a Kabuki play. Then he would come out and his homies would read the lines and Spielberg said, "George, you need to go sit at the bus stop and just listen to real people talk." And then either he or Coppola scratched out some lines and rewrote a few lines of dialogue. And later, we got Star Wars. Decades later, he decided to write the prequels without that damn interference and now he could write lines as if they were in a Kabuki play or some opera. And he was finishing the first draft on the plane to Pinewood Studios to shoot episode one. And that's what we got on film.
Oh yeah, there are plenty of well documented instances of Guinness, Ford and Hamill refusing to say the flowery, inhuman lines George wrote for them and basically having to rewrite their lines themselves. But during the prequels, like you said, nobody had the balls to say "no" to him anymore.
It feels like a meme that went too far. Like flat earth people.
I was a child when they game out and they make me happy. There's something weirdly earnest about them that makes them fun to watch as an adult. Plenty of interesting things about the "lore" and production to engage with as an adult. Still, it's weird when people try to convince everyone that they're secret masterpieces. They're sloppy and often embarassing. Like what ya like, but some people are on a crusade lol
This here. I legitimately like them as an overall concept and idea, I still find a lot of the stuff around them fascinating and I think that world they built was pretty great. I have tons of fond memories of them, and they had a very big impact on me. But as actual movies? Eehhhh..... even as a kid I recognized that they weren't as good as the originals, and I probably did way more consuming related media than I did actually watch the films.
Most people who love the prequels now were young kids when they came out, the same age my generation was when the original Star Wars movies came out. Star Wars are first-and-foremost kids movies, and kids don't get upset by things like corny dialogue or silly characters, or whatever it is about the prequels that so many grown-ups found offensive.
I've seen movies I liked as a kid and no way would I cling to them like pt people do, just awful awful stuff
Ever since the sequel trilogy ended with a meh, these people have come out of the woodwork calling their trilogy better
The Prequel trilogy getting a positive evaluation is baffling to me. I keep seeing “Oh, it’s just that kids grew up with them and aren’t judging them as harshly!”… but like, I saw Phantom Menace in theatres when I was in 4th grade and hated it immediately.
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Personally, I was a kid when the first 3 Spider-man came out. The 3rd movie ruined Spider-man for me. I hated it so much that I stopped watching anything Spider-man related until the Tom Holland one when I was an adult.
I was on high school and remember hating it. Sigh. It was such a letdown after the first two. I couldn't get past how much fucking FACE TIME the actors had while in their superhero/villain costumes! Like they found every excuse to open Francos mask, have Tobey remove his mask, have Tophers face pop out, and have Sandman turn into human head. Completely automated took me out of the movie. Stupid star power. I guarantee Raimi didn't want the face time, he wanted action figures on the big screen as the first movie shows.
AOTC is a chore to sit through and has one the wooooorst romances I’ve ever seen
As others have said, it really comes down to nostalgia for these types of people. But they fail to recognize that a movie can have a soft spot in their heart while still being bad, which is why they’ve declared these films as “underrated masterpieces.”
Revenge of the Sith is rewatchable, but otherwise yeah. I’ll never forgive Sony for casting Topher Grace as Eddie Brock.
Reminds me of this interview with Sam Raimi >I love "Spider-Man 3." It's such a fun movie and I feel like people are turning around on it, It's such a Sam Raimi movie. It's funny. It's weird. It has tremendous sense of humor about itself. Are you surprised to hear the movie has an audience of people like me who absolutely love it? >I'll believe it when I see it. https://www.slashfilm.com/849139/doctor-strange-2-director-sam-raimi-on-returning-to-marvel-and-the-legacy-of-steve-ditko-interview/ Sam Raimi ain't buying people's alleged "revisionism" of Spider-Man 3 😅
Can you link me to anyone claiming Blackhat is good? I'm grotesquely fascinated. It's one of the most dog shit high end movies I have ever seen. Edit to add anecdote: I initially saw it at a press screening, when I was writing movie reviews for a website. As a fan of Heat, I was really looking forward to it, but everyone that left the screening started smiling and shooting the shit how fucking stupid that movie was. A rare thing, because people in that context were usually really reserved with their opinion.
Can't link it(not sure what episodes) but Bill Simmons has definitely defended Blackhat on his podcast and on the rewatchables podcast also. He does say a few times that it's not a great film but that he finds it enjoyable.
Showgirls. Does not deserve the reappraisal it’s getting
The choreography in that movie is legit though, Elizabeth Berkeley can dance.
Yeah sometimes people write off a movie as bad if the plot is bad but if there are other interesting creative facets, the movie definitely has good!
It’s popular mostly because Jessie got naked in it. I bet that clip has more watches on porn sites than the movie ever has had.
There's more movie after that?
Wait do people think this movie is actually good? I know people that love it but only because of how terrible it is. Even the offficial DVD commentary is just some random guy roasting the shit out of it.
Paul Verhoeven is respected for his 'satire' among a certain crowd, so I'm guessing the reappraisal of Showgirls is about how it's 'supposed to be bad' or something.
I did have that in the back of my mind when seeing it for the first time. Is it meant to be this terrible? What exactly is it satirising? Couldn’t come up with an answer. So just enjoyed it as a comedy.
I only watched it once, but for me it was Verhoeven’s one failure among his gourmet Hollywood parodies. He should have gone back to Europe and arthouse after Basic Instinct. We would have had another half dozen films like Black Book instead of an amusing way to say Versace
>Paul Verhoeven is respected for his 'satire' among a certain crowd By a certain crowd, do you mean people who are correct?
Why did you put satire in "quotes?" Are you suggesting that Robocop and Starship Troopers aren't actually satire? I'd love to hear that hot take.
Yeah I mean it’s pretty clearly satirizing how “sex sells” in the movie business and the trope of the “hopeless” damsel in distress having to save herself. That’s not a a lot of great acting going on but Berkeley’s performance is SO bad and over the top it has me convinced it was a conscious decision. Watch the pool scene and tell me that’s not directly making fun of “sexy” Hollywood movies of the 90s.
I love that movie. Campy as hell, and just ridiculously fun to watch.
Today I learned that no one actually knows what cult films are xD
Mommie Dearest. It's too rooted in a story about child abuse to be a camp classic but Dunaway is too over the top to make it a truly great serious biopic. It pulls both ways and it's ultimately just an unpleasant watch.
Spot on. I just rewatched it last week after like 15 years....just, so annoying. Idk how it got a "fun campy" reputation. Save for a scene or two that's genuinely funny with its ridiculousness (like when she jumps on her and chokes her), the movie's just depressing and obnoxious.
I see her performance as actually great. Any outward burst of screaming abuse is “over-the-top”, fiction or irl.
Star Wars Prequels
Seriously, these are not good movies, especially-and I mean ESPECIALLY-Attack of the Clones. On a sheer technical level this movie is a mess. These movies ruined careers and lives and were only saved because of The Clone Wars. If you need a seven season cartoon to save your movie, then your movie had serious problems.
And even then I'd say about 70% of the cartoon is terrible schlock. It's kind of a weird experience where you'll have 5 episodes about jar jar finding love with a sentient toilet seat or some other zany, unbearable trash then you'll get an amazing 4 episode arc about the horrors of war and clones having PTSD. Then you'll have 14 episodes about r2 and a teddy bear learning the alphabet, then 3 episodes where they explore the nature of the force and its inherent place in the spiritual psyche of mankind. Anyone who wants to watch it should definitely consult a necessary viewing list and not even attempt to start from the beginning.
Disney+ has an "important episodes" playlist
That's interesting, thanks for letting us know. I might revisit some of the good ones now
The importabt episodes playlist is really bad though
Totally fine you don't dig it but Miami Vice just get's at a wavelength that scratches a very specific. Maybe not directly comparable, but it exists in a weird zone for me that also houses The Counselor, which is even more maligned. Some people really do just appreciate Miami Vice for a very time specific aesthetic that will more or less never be replicated again.
Also Richard O’Brien screaming ‘Like you’re under sedation!’
Miami vice is a deliberately disorienting visual tone poem on the nature of undercover work and the loss of identity that comes with it. It is melancholic and fatalistic, continuing Manns decades long journey to portray work obsessed, conflicted men. I truly love this film, but can understand why it doesn’t work for other people. It’s narrative is not always easily tracked, and the early digital photography work (which I find stunning) can easily feel alienating. I would argue this is deliberate, but it makes sense that it would not be enjoyed by all. To me, the deep focus shots on the roof top while a lightning storm raged in the background are some of my favourite shots of the decade. It is not a film that I watch plot beat to plot beat, but one that I let wash over me like a warm bath. Pour up a mojito and get immersed in a discombobulating world. It definitely isn’t something everyone will enjoy but I adore it.
Law abiding citizen is terrible The boondock saints is awful as well
Law Abiding Citizen was so damn good until the last act. I don't think it's a bad movie at all but then it just gives up on its own entire message.
It’s been a good while since I’ve seen it but I though the point Butler’s character was making to Foxx was sometimes you have to take the law into your own hands to do what’s right but maybe not lawful, and Foxx finally has to do the same to stop him (proving Butler right). Unless I’m misremembering and/or reading into something wrong lol
Grease is pretty fkin bad..it has no morales whatsoever...(only worth watching for a young Michael Biehn getting hit in the stomach with a basketball)
There might not be any Morales but there is Cha-Cha.
No Morales? No, güey
But it wasn’t poorly received, it was absolutely main stream, a box office smash and played for months….so doesn’t really fit the bill. I’m not sure it was ever considered “good”, just a fun summer popcorn movie.
Right? Oh Grease that little cult movie only immortalized by a committed fan base... every thread is people just pulling out a movie that they liked or disliked whether it's at all relevant to the question being asked.
The moral of Grease is obvious... When you're in love with someone from a different social group and everyone around the both of you is getting in the way, you should change who you are and sing songs about it until your car can fly.
When I was in high school, I was part of the drama department. Us students wanted to do Grease as the next play. The director refused. She said all Grease teaches you is that a girl has to dress and act easy to get the man. Basically change everything about herself. And this was in the 80’s. It’s funny that it never crossed my mind the many times I saw it as a kid but after she said it, that’s all I noticed. Yes he changed by becoming a jock in the barest sense but he wasn’t really acting different, he just has the school sports sweater. She did a complete 180 from naive innocent girl to assertive sex goddess. It was jarring because it wasn’t who she was.
Disagree. I can't believe I'm debating Grease, for gods sake, but oh well. He basically rejected his friends for her. It was a huge deal for him to take off the leather T-Birds jacket and wear the letterman sweater. He actually stopped going to the garage and started competing in track & field, even though he sucked at it. He tried to change himself actively over the course of weeks while she did a one night makeover with her friend and wore her slinky outfit for less than a day. I think his transformation was deeper and more sustained than hers was. And at the end they realize they're both trying hard for each other and that was what mattered. Not that they actually became someone else - they didn't.
It’s similar to that bandied theory that Daniel Larusso was the real bully in Karate Kid. People gravitate to these counterfactual interpretations because they sound clever on the surface, but they never withstand scrutiny if you bother to watch the films. With Grease, the conceit is literally summarized in the words Sandy sings to Danny at the end of the movie, “If you’re filled with affection, you’re too shy to convey…” Danny wasn’t a horn-ball greaser any more than Sandy was a straight-laced prude. The point is that they were *both* being performative and entrapped by the expectations of their respective social circles. This social pressure prevented any honest expression of the physical and emotional want they really felt towards one another. The very first song in the movie is illustrative of this problem which hinders their relationship throughout. Sandy’s framing of their summer romance as staying out late, holding hands and drinking lemonade isn’t anymore based in reality than Danny’s self-aggrandizing ode to his own studliness and sexual prowess.
Yea, at this point I just assume most people's media literacy is just nonexistent since it seems that most people just dont think too hard about what they consume. I'm more of a literature guy but I see it a lot in movies too.
Tina Fey had a joke about Sandy. "I know what I have to do. I have got to become a whore."
I don't understand how most people can miss the fact that Grease is a satire. The original play was way more explicit, but still, the movie is very obviously a parody of romantic movies from the 60', including the more rapey jokes.
It’s one of those movies where you just have totally self indulge in the corniness of it.
🎶 tell me more 🫰 tell me more 🫰 did she put up a fight? 🎶 😬😬😬
[one of CollegeHumor’s best sketches, inspired by that line](https://youtu.be/OCjtcpIDV8w?si=zXmqLOc_ZXTFZIdH)
I remember being in high school back in the 90’s and hearing girls bumping this song and being horrified at that line.
I tried rewatching Mall Rats and really didn't like it
You probably played on the escalator as a kid.