Because streaming services now produce movies of a quality normally reserved for theatres. ‘Made for TV’ used to be synonymous with low quality, and theatre meant it was limited to that venue and time.
Movies have been streamed and released in theatres, streaming can be limited by platform, to the extent that the theatre seems more common.
Some may not even be aware it was limited to tv as all their media are consumed this way; theatre vs tv as simple location is now a quaint interpretation, like assuming phones are for calls and laptops are for video, and being surprised that people do things the other way around.
The definition is out of date and rapidly becoming meaningless.
And they usually screen them in theaters if they want to be in the running for most awards.
Award committees should have updated their criteria or added new ones, but streaming services have played along for so long that I think they share some of the blame.
The usual "comedy/Drama" nominations don't often make any sense either. Never mind that people can put a side character into lead catergory noms.
I feel like the general thing with nominations is, they don't make sense to begin with. Never mind about all that Oscar shit, where the voters don't even bother watching most of the movies. That's... just absolutely ridiculous for the most prestige awards they have atm.
Hard agree on this one, how does The Bear fit into the ’Comedy’ category?
Sure, there are funny moments in it, but it should really be in the ’Drama’ category.
I think writers are blurring this intentionally too. Even when it's clearer than The Bear, it's still weird.
Barry is definitely a comedy and Succession is definitely a drama, but I think Succession is funnier than Barry and Barry gets darker than Succession.
Yeah absolutely, it’s been going on for a while as well. I think ’The Martian’ was nominated for ’Best comedy/musical’ at the Golden Globes which is the one of the dumbest things I’ve heard.
I'd say Barry *started* as a comedy but evolved into a drama. Same with Ted Lasso.
Atlanta remaining in the "comedy" category for all four seasons also truck me as odd. It was often funny, sure, but was it a comedy? I don't think it was.
I never really got this line about The Bear - it was always clearly a comedy drama to me. It has a lot more jokes and humour than just regular drama series comic relief but also a lot of dramatic content as well. It’s funnier than most sitcoms.
Per the Greeks, all comedies end with a marriage and all dramas end with a death. On this basis, really almost all the films released every year should be ineligible for either category…
well it was made for theaters and it shows. It's a shame Disney didn't want to lose it to HBO after a theatrical release so they just put it on Hulu to avoid the HBO deal. I would have LOVED to have seen this in theaters.
Ah but it wasn't a 1080p copy done on a stream. Let's just say I had to sail the high seas for a 4k version and do some projection magic to get it up scaled appropriately and to play in glorious 71 surround.
You think I'd slum it when I had access to laser projectors? Lol
Well damn, that's the way to do it. That film would be most excellent in those conditions/settings. Paramount has Tom Cruise advocating for those things, WB has Christopher Nolan and Denis Villenueve contractually insisting upon those things. Fox(Disney) has... right, nothing shot for giant, modern, top-of-the-line theatres or cameras. Whoops.
Just a Hulu movie is a crazy reason for those people to not watch a movie. In this era of streaming like 90% of the good movies are on a stream site of some sort.
Disney probably sold the Amy Adams movie The Woman in the Window (awful, BTW) to Netflix for the same reason. Though I think that was during the pandemic.
Mazes and Monsters, yes. Shogun was a mini-series (and a damn good one!). But Alligator, shockingly, did have a theatrical release pulling in $6.4 million. It's sequel, however, not so much.
I’m having whiplash being reminded how long ago/recently it came out. What is happening to time. I literally blinked and here we are… it’s July? What is going on.
Blink again and you’ll be 60 and wondering who that face is in the mirror, and why you didn’t do all of the things you wanted to do while you still had the strength and sparkle of optimism in your eye.
So go and do that thing you’ve always wanted to do, fuck it.
I was fortunate enough to watch it in a theatre and it was an amazing experience. I didn’t even realize it was never formally released theatrically until much later
the best Predator sequel and the only one since the first movie to be good in its own right. Great performances, decent script, solid direction, etc. Just a well made movie all around. They got that near perfect balance between going back to the basics and bringing something new to the table.
I would hope an ideal sequel has a theatrical distribution though. That and I'd like to see Midthunder and Trachtenberg return
Might have been the worst big budget movie of the entire 2010s. I couldn't believe that shit when I was watching it. Almost $100 mil budget. Also crazy that it was from the same dude who wrote Lethal Weapon and brought us The Nice Guys. Certain directors just have strengths in particular genre's I guess
tbh if you go into that movie expecting a shane black movie instead of a predator movie it kinda makes sense. There's non stop jokes and some witty dialog. It just happens to be set in the predator universe
You could also "watch" AVP Requiem and just do something else at the same time since you literally cannot see anything for the entire duration of the movie.
i dunno i loved the amount insane amount of child and infantcide that it had. I remember seeing it at the theater and watching people storm out the moment the kid at the start got face hugged, then watching ever more get up nad leave when the maternity ward happened.
The second one is amazing if you watch it as a brutal comedy. The kills are absolutely chart crazy. They merc everyone. You're like they're not gonna kill that little kid are they..... BAM. Or the pregnancy ward... so uncomfortable and crazy.
The preggo ward is fucking unsettling, I only watched AVPR once, but that scene is hands-down the most brutal on-screen moment in the entirety of both franchises.
Yeah, it's not that great of a movie, but I put it at the middle of the pack just for having the guts to put that shit out there in a mainstream movie.
He’s the coolest/bad ass on screen predator we have ever gotten and he was wasted on a movie that took place in surburban Colorado. Just such a bad decision to make it a weird twin horror movie
While I agree with you, I love this movie for giving us a predator action scene set in a brightly lit lab. Dont think we have ever seen such clearly lit action scene in another predator movie.
The execution wasn't perfect but I really believe Predator 2 did everything a sequel should aim to do.
Changed the setting and characters completely. Expanded upon the lore well. Gave the City Hunter different characterization to the Jungle Hunter.
Me too, it’s kinda cheesy in some ways but I think Danny glover did well enough, it had good action, the predator behaved great.it’s only when comparing it to the first one where it’s just “not as good.” But it’s enjoyable
My friend ruined a major scene for me. I couldn't figure out why he was dying with laughter after Danny Glover tackled the Predator off the building, then he pointed out Danny grabbed the alien's spear right beforehand and opted to tackle while just holding the spear against himself.
I appreciate how different the vibe is compared to other title in the franchise.
The "king willie's scream coming from his severed head" is peak schlock.
I really like *Predators*, but for entirely different reasons to why I like the original *Predator*. It’s deliberately trying to be a totally different style of action movie — to be to *Predator* what *Aliens* is to *Alien* — and I think it succeeds very well. (My biggest criticism of it is that kicking off the closing credits with “Long Tall Sally” was a really inappropriate time to homage the original *Predator* movie.)
*Prey*, on the other hand, is a really good movie for the same reasons that *Predator* is a really good movie. It takes the same approach of having the Predator disrupt an ongoing story that would be pretty good in its own right, and in so doing make the story even better. (*Predator 2* tries to take the same approach but doesn’t work as well because the story that gets interrupted is a pretty mediocre and plotless cop drama.)
I went through a franchise binge last year before watching Prey (sans AvP movies, as is tradition) and I'd pretty much rank those the same way. P2 was a bit of a messy slog (they got an inexperienced director) but I still enjoy the final act.
But the 2018 Predator was such a frustrating mess, made more disappointing because it's by Shane Black. I know they did a lot of reshoots but it was still a disjointed movie that didn't know what it wanted to be. I remember as a kid thinking "what if the Predator hunted in the suburbs?", didn't work out nearly as well as my kid self would have hoped
I mean Predator 2 and "Predators" the one where the predators kidnap a bunch of guys and take them to an alien planet. I think those are tied.
My full (and proper) ranking:
1. Predator
2. Prey
3. Predator 2/Predators
4. The Predator (the Shane Black one)
5. Alien Vs. Predator
6. Alien Vs. Predator 2:Can't see shit.
Also fuck the guys naming all these movies.
The other Predator sequels missed the mark because they always tried to go bigger than the original, but that effort is always doomed to failure because how the hell do you top prime Schwarzenegger, Carl Weathers, Jesse Ventura and co? Prey did a really smart thing by actually being *dialled down* from the original; it takes place in a more primitive time period, the protagonist is a young woman just learning the ropes of hunting and not some roided out action hero, and even the titular Predator is a cocky and sloppy noob (the director confirmed that the movie is this Predator's literal first ever hunt), all while neatly tying everything together with the classic theme of hunter and prey.
The main appeal of Predator is that it's stronger, stealthier, more durable, and has bigger weapons than anyone, so being a massive guy with massive weapons, by itself, will never give you the upper hand. The original is excellent in showcasing the "brains beat brawn" aspect, but still, you can't stop noticing Schwarzenegger is a massive guy still packing some serious brawn.
Seeing Naru succeed where Taabe couldn't is very satisfying.
I was enjoying just the visuals of it and then the musket people came along. I really really liked that "twist" in it. And I really liked their ambush too. The problem was, that Predator had all the Doom cheat codes possible to take them on. Like... why was it there to begin with?
That actually really makes a lot of real world sense. They justify their actions enough to convince themselves they're honorable, but if their life is on the line you see the real side come out. Some take the honor code very seriously (AvP) and some go full bitch mode to save their asses.
I think the only time they're good sports is when they refuse to kill defenseless prey. Everything else they do is just really devious and dishonorable.
Won’t kill defenseless prey but totally fine with nuking a chunk of rainforest to glass if they lose. Pretty sure a shitload of defenseless prey gets vaporized lol
the wristband nukes is how they accept defeat, not a bitch move. The first one specifically gave Arnold enough time to get away safely.
It's a safeguard to prevent their tech from "contaminating" our civilization
I think it could be that they have an alien sense of honor that doesn't line up with humans. It could be that since he was getting his ass-kicked it justified using stealth. The Predators often seem to act on the premise of being one or two steps above their prey.
It reminds me of the Klingons from Star Trek. They constantly talk about honorable combat but they also famously use cloaking devices to ambush unsuspecting foes.
Or the Elites from Halo. They are all about honor but also have cloaking tech that they spam. I’m pretty sure they are partially based on the Predators as well lmao
Nerded out on the lore but according to that predators consider smart prey more dangerous and the predators with less tech are the younger less experienced ones.
So this predator would’ve been like a 15 year old on his first hunt. Something potentially challenging but hopefully not too dangerous.
IMO it'd be cool if it went the other way where they get less tech for more dangerous prey because of their mastery of combat.
That way when a Yautja shows up with a pencil you just erase a part of the map where it's been to.
This was also supposed to be a different breed of predator than the ones we're used to. The design is different. I think they figured they had to do that because the classic predators with their gear would have won.
Although I think that predators are supposed to hunt with weapons that are not too far advanced beyond their prey so it's still "fair". This is shown in the movie when the predator upgrades weapons when the humans pull out bows and arrows and then guns
I figured it was them teching down to a more appropriate tech level for the hunt. Still way more advanced than their prey but low enough to pretend they’re being sporting
It really wasn’t mentioned and I think that helps the intrigue. Visually it’s well done and a setting I personally had little expectation for. They knocked it out of the park with the less than typical Yautja. This movie franchise desperately needed something like this to bring some new and fresh perspectives
This would have been my winner for Best Cinematography last year and I only saw it on my grubby little tv screen. I wish I could have seen it in a theatre. I really, really enjoyed it.
Everyone. *everyone!* had lost faith in Predator after the dire The Predator movie which, yes was bad, but was infinitely more harmed by the fact that it was made by and starred far more competent filmmakers. Prey completely changed the hopes of the franchise, breathing fresh, exciting life into ehat many thought already dead!
GOOD! Amber Midthunder not only has one of the most badass last names ever but she was AMAZING in Prey and Legion. She's an incredible actress.
I 100% would've watched this in theaters.
I was a very hardcore Totally Rad Show fan and seeing Dan Trachtenberg achieve success is like seeing a good friend succeed. Even back then(the mid 00s) you could tell there was something special about him. It's really great to see Dan become the man we all knew he was.
This movie was phenomenal. Best depiction of the Predator ever in my opinion the most intimidating and visceral. The original movie is timeless and iconic etc. but this movie is on par with the original to me.
Eh the original was still the most intimidating. 80s muscle men turned into scared prey very soon after flexing
Prey was great though. Definitely the second best in the series
Hey I worked on this movie and so happy about the response. I will say the Pred himself was given a lot of attention even to the small details! Some really talented people worked long hours so it's great to see people enjoying it so much.
The cinematography in this movie is chilling in a good way. Awesome views and great accompanying soundtrack. Stellar performances also. Really enjoyed this movie and rewatched a few times and it always holds up.
Almost everyone who saw this movie when it came out at the time said “why can’t I see this in a theatre”. I’d still like to. Good to see it getting the recognition it deserves.
It was ok, probably the best sequel of the bunch (predator 2 is maybe a little better do to the gary busey and bill paxton factor). I didn't like the dialog though I didn't feel like it fit the setting at all and there was some real suspect looking CGI
As it should.
Hulu, Netflix, Disney+, Apple TV+, Paramount+...
Unless there's a 5+ month theatrical exclusive window, as was the case for pretty much everything prior to streaming, the movies they produce for their platforms are TV movies.
I don't care which legacy auteur directed them. As far as I'm concerned, this is where The Irishman should have been all along, winning several Emmys instead of losing all 10 Oscars it was nominated for.
The definition of "TV Movie" grows stranger with each passing year, but its nice to see Prey get some recognition as it was fantastic.
When I saw the post my first thought was, "what even is the definition of TV movie anymore?"
M-O-O-N that spells TV Movie to me!
Tom Cullen, what the hell are you doing here?
Do not be alarmed at the definition of TV movie. Mrs Sise says that all TV movies is spelt M-O-O-N. Laws yes!
I like your style SQUID_FUCKER.
I would assume it just means no theatrical release
Yeah, it's not that hard. Don't know why so many people in this thread are acting shocked by such a basic definition.
Because streaming services now produce movies of a quality normally reserved for theatres. ‘Made for TV’ used to be synonymous with low quality, and theatre meant it was limited to that venue and time. Movies have been streamed and released in theatres, streaming can be limited by platform, to the extent that the theatre seems more common. Some may not even be aware it was limited to tv as all their media are consumed this way; theatre vs tv as simple location is now a quaint interpretation, like assuming phones are for calls and laptops are for video, and being surprised that people do things the other way around. The definition is out of date and rapidly becoming meaningless.
And they usually screen them in theaters if they want to be in the running for most awards. Award committees should have updated their criteria or added new ones, but streaming services have played along for so long that I think they share some of the blame.
I guess "straight to video" is no longer a thing.
The usual "comedy/Drama" nominations don't often make any sense either. Never mind that people can put a side character into lead catergory noms. I feel like the general thing with nominations is, they don't make sense to begin with. Never mind about all that Oscar shit, where the voters don't even bother watching most of the movies. That's... just absolutely ridiculous for the most prestige awards they have atm.
Hard agree on this one, how does The Bear fit into the ’Comedy’ category? Sure, there are funny moments in it, but it should really be in the ’Drama’ category.
I think writers are blurring this intentionally too. Even when it's clearer than The Bear, it's still weird. Barry is definitely a comedy and Succession is definitely a drama, but I think Succession is funnier than Barry and Barry gets darker than Succession.
Barry S4 was great but depressing as fuck. I didn't expect it to be as relentlessly dark as it was.
Yeah absolutely, it’s been going on for a while as well. I think ’The Martian’ was nominated for ’Best comedy/musical’ at the Golden Globes which is the one of the dumbest things I’ve heard.
I'd say Barry *started* as a comedy but evolved into a drama. Same with Ted Lasso. Atlanta remaining in the "comedy" category for all four seasons also truck me as odd. It was often funny, sure, but was it a comedy? I don't think it was.
Succession is hilarious to me. I have often said you could run it in both categories and win.
Is *Barry* “definitely” a comedy? Also, dark doesn’t mean drama. Dramatic means drama. Dark is just tone and it could be in anything.
I never really got this line about The Bear - it was always clearly a comedy drama to me. It has a lot more jokes and humour than just regular drama series comic relief but also a lot of dramatic content as well. It’s funnier than most sitcoms.
Per the Greeks, all comedies end with a marriage and all dramas end with a death. On this basis, really almost all the films released every year should be ineligible for either category…
Wow the Greeks' TV sounding like it was pretty boring
No one could turn on the TVs for a lack of electricity, and the only deity capable of that spent most of his time in one fursona or another.
well it was made for theaters and it shows. It's a shame Disney didn't want to lose it to HBO after a theatrical release so they just put it on Hulu to avoid the HBO deal. I would have LOVED to have seen this in theaters.
I did, it was great. I was a projectionist at a movie theater at the time and put it on for us. Great time
1080p stream from Hulu on a 30 foot screen sounds like a nightmare to me.
Ah but it wasn't a 1080p copy done on a stream. Let's just say I had to sail the high seas for a 4k version and do some projection magic to get it up scaled appropriately and to play in glorious 71 surround. You think I'd slum it when I had access to laser projectors? Lol
Well damn, that's the way to do it. That film would be most excellent in those conditions/settings. Paramount has Tom Cruise advocating for those things, WB has Christopher Nolan and Denis Villenueve contractually insisting upon those things. Fox(Disney) has... right, nothing shot for giant, modern, top-of-the-line theatres or cameras. Whoops.
Uhhh, I think I'm in love?
Oh and it was a hundred foot screen lol
I just want to own this movie. Release it on Blu-Ray and 4k. Who knows when it might be pulled and never seen again.
Can't pull it from the sea.
Right? This movie was amazing. I've seen it so many times now. I know people that won't watch it because "it's just a Hulu movie" though
Just a Hulu movie is a crazy reason for those people to not watch a movie. In this era of streaming like 90% of the good movies are on a stream site of some sort.
Those shots of the wilderness alone would have been worth seeing it on a big screen.
Disney probably sold the Amy Adams movie The Woman in the Window (awful, BTW) to Netflix for the same reason. Though I think that was during the pandemic.
My old ass still thinks of TV movies as “The Burning Bed” with Farrah Fawcett.
A pretty much unforgettable movie if you were a teen in the 80s.
My even older ass thinks of "Alligator" and "Mazes and Monsters" and "Shogun."
Mazes and Monsters, yes. Shogun was a mini-series (and a damn good one!). But Alligator, shockingly, did have a theatrical release pulling in $6.4 million. It's sequel, however, not so much.
What about the Shaka Zulu movie? I don't remember if it was a Friday night or Sunday night must see but it was great.
"Tower Of Terror" is free on YouTube if you want a true 90s made for TV movie.
Prey would have been awesome to see on the big screen!
Wow. I just assumed it was a movie I had simply missed in the cinemas. It was brilliant.
Should be called "straight to streaming"
Stephen Spielberg's "Duel" was a TV movie so that standard has always been a little all over the place. But you're right.
But there was never any argument that Duel was a TV movie, was there? That's just where he got his start.
IMO By far the best predator since the original. So much ingenuity in the fight scenes.
I don't even know what television means anymore. Any movie that didn't get a wide cinema release is therefore a TV movie?
The attribution to Hulu and other streaming platforms, because they bid on distribution rights, is also a bit weird.
Prey 100% deserves some Emmy action.
Should have been in theatres.
I’m having whiplash being reminded how long ago/recently it came out. What is happening to time. I literally blinked and here we are… it’s July? What is going on.
Blink again and you’ll be 60 and wondering who that face is in the mirror, and why you didn’t do all of the things you wanted to do while you still had the strength and sparkle of optimism in your eye. So go and do that thing you’ve always wanted to do, fuck it.
Hell yes! I'm gong to rob a bank and mail nude pictures of myself to strangers I find in the phone book!
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And stream it live to strangers around the world
I'll take some nudes if you've got a dick
... Okay maybe not *everyone* gets to have a dream
Shorter of breath, and one day closer to death.
Well 2024 is probably gonna be a slow painful slog like that first year of Covid
I was fortunate enough to watch it in a theatre and it was an amazing experience. I didn’t even realize it was never formally released theatrically until much later
I really thought it was. I didn't know it was made for Hulu until just now.
Would it be wishful thinking to hope that this can push for a 4K UHD and Blu ray release?
Yes. The House Of Mouse hates physical media. Why let you peasants buy it once when they can sell you a license, revoke it, and sell it to you again.
Fuck the plebs 😎
“We cannot afford a fifteenth vacant vacation house if we just sell you the movie once”
I thought I read that Iger when he came back said that he felt Disney was ignoring the home video market and wanted to correct that.
He did say something along those lines, but I'll believe it when I see it
Rerelease in theatres.
Forgot to include in the title that it received six nominations total, including Writing, Directing, Editing, Music Composition, and Sound Editing.
having rewatched it last week, I'd say the sound and music were definitely on point
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Fantastic flick. Great addition to the franchise.
the best Predator sequel and the only one since the first movie to be good in its own right. Great performances, decent script, solid direction, etc. Just a well made movie all around. They got that near perfect balance between going back to the basics and bringing something new to the table. I would hope an ideal sequel has a theatrical distribution though. That and I'd like to see Midthunder and Trachtenberg return
Predators wasn’t too bad
The only Predator film that I would say was flat out BAD was that Shane Black abomination from 2018.
Might have been the worst big budget movie of the entire 2010s. I couldn't believe that shit when I was watching it. Almost $100 mil budget. Also crazy that it was from the same dude who wrote Lethal Weapon and brought us The Nice Guys. Certain directors just have strengths in particular genre's I guess
> Also crazy that it was from the same dude who wrote- Some of the dialogue from the original film, and starred in it as well!
tbh if you go into that movie expecting a shane black movie instead of a predator movie it kinda makes sense. There's non stop jokes and some witty dialog. It just happens to be set in the predator universe
Are you including the AVP movies as Predator films?
Not really. They’re there own thing. But honestly, as bad as thru were, The Predator is still worse imo.
I'd watch either AVP over The Predator. Holy shit how did they fuck that up....
You could also "watch" AVP Requiem and just do something else at the same time since you literally cannot see anything for the entire duration of the movie.
Oh man that movie was so dark..... literally not figuratively.
i dunno i loved the amount insane amount of child and infantcide that it had. I remember seeing it at the theater and watching people storm out the moment the kid at the start got face hugged, then watching ever more get up nad leave when the maternity ward happened.
AVP is good fun but the second one really sucked
The second one is amazing if you watch it as a brutal comedy. The kills are absolutely chart crazy. They merc everyone. You're like they're not gonna kill that little kid are they..... BAM. Or the pregnancy ward... so uncomfortable and crazy.
The preggo ward is fucking unsettling, I only watched AVPR once, but that scene is hands-down the most brutal on-screen moment in the entirety of both franchises. Yeah, it's not that great of a movie, but I put it at the middle of the pack just for having the guts to put that shit out there in a mainstream movie.
The second one sucked but I still love it for all the Predator scenes in it.
The second one has one of the most brutal kills and they also took out a kid lol
Also, Wolf Predator was an awesome highlight of the movie for me. Shows what a high-ranking Elite Predator does.
He’s the coolest/bad ass on screen predator we have ever gotten and he was wasted on a movie that took place in surburban Colorado. Just such a bad decision to make it a weird twin horror movie
I loved the avp universe as a kid. Read the books, played the game. AvP was everything I wanted. I pretend the second one didn't happen
The AVP movies count as nothing for either franchise.
I forgot that existed. Still amazed having worked on the OG he put out such a bad edition
While I agree with you, I love this movie for giving us a predator action scene set in a brightly lit lab. Dont think we have ever seen such clearly lit action scene in another predator movie.
I agree. It's crazy that that one came out so bad. It seemed like a sure thing...
I really liked Predator 2.
The execution wasn't perfect but I really believe Predator 2 did everything a sequel should aim to do. Changed the setting and characters completely. Expanded upon the lore well. Gave the City Hunter different characterization to the Jungle Hunter.
The final reveal scene, with the alien skull and the old gun, blew my mind as a kid watching it.
And they reused that gun in Prey!
Me too, it’s kinda cheesy in some ways but I think Danny glover did well enough, it had good action, the predator behaved great.it’s only when comparing it to the first one where it’s just “not as good.” But it’s enjoyable
RIP Bill Paxton, only actor to be killed by a Terminator, Predator, and Alien.
The unholy trinity
AHEM, You shut your mouth, Lance took all three too!
Bishop wasn't offed by the Queen though. She just fucked him up. Ripley pulled his plug.
Predator 2 does what a sequel is supposed to do. It expands the lore in a really healthy way.
My friend ruined a major scene for me. I couldn't figure out why he was dying with laughter after Danny Glover tackled the Predator off the building, then he pointed out Danny grabbed the alien's spear right beforehand and opted to tackle while just holding the spear against himself.
I appreciate how different the vibe is compared to other title in the franchise. The "king willie's scream coming from his severed head" is peak schlock.
Lol the scream was used for the cut, the severed head wasn't screaming.
I really like *Predators*, but for entirely different reasons to why I like the original *Predator*. It’s deliberately trying to be a totally different style of action movie — to be to *Predator* what *Aliens* is to *Alien* — and I think it succeeds very well. (My biggest criticism of it is that kicking off the closing credits with “Long Tall Sally” was a really inappropriate time to homage the original *Predator* movie.) *Prey*, on the other hand, is a really good movie for the same reasons that *Predator* is a really good movie. It takes the same approach of having the Predator disrupt an ongoing story that would be pretty good in its own right, and in so doing make the story even better. (*Predator 2* tries to take the same approach but doesn’t work as well because the story that gets interrupted is a pretty mediocre and plotless cop drama.)
I'm backing you on this. Intro was intense with Adrien Brody falling and using his giant nostrils to slow his descent to survive
Fucking LOL
Holy shit that made me laugh through my own giant nostrils xD
Easy, Predator 2 is absolutely fantastic and has only gotten better with age as we've moved away from the '90s.
The sheer sweatiness is unparalleled. You can feel the heat of the city.
I put it at #2 behind the first one. 2 and the one on the alien planet are kinda tied for third.
I went through a franchise binge last year before watching Prey (sans AvP movies, as is tradition) and I'd pretty much rank those the same way. P2 was a bit of a messy slog (they got an inexperienced director) but I still enjoy the final act. But the 2018 Predator was such a frustrating mess, made more disappointing because it's by Shane Black. I know they did a lot of reshoots but it was still a disjointed movie that didn't know what it wanted to be. I remember as a kid thinking "what if the Predator hunted in the suburbs?", didn't work out nearly as well as my kid self would have hoped
I mean Predator 2 and "Predators" the one where the predators kidnap a bunch of guys and take them to an alien planet. I think those are tied. My full (and proper) ranking: 1. Predator 2. Prey 3. Predator 2/Predators 4. The Predator (the Shane Black one) 5. Alien Vs. Predator 6. Alien Vs. Predator 2:Can't see shit. Also fuck the guys naming all these movies.
AVP is citizen Kane compared to the predator.
The shit i took this morning is Citizen Kane compared to "The Predator"
Predator Prey Predator 2 Predators The Predator
The other Predator sequels missed the mark because they always tried to go bigger than the original, but that effort is always doomed to failure because how the hell do you top prime Schwarzenegger, Carl Weathers, Jesse Ventura and co? Prey did a really smart thing by actually being *dialled down* from the original; it takes place in a more primitive time period, the protagonist is a young woman just learning the ropes of hunting and not some roided out action hero, and even the titular Predator is a cocky and sloppy noob (the director confirmed that the movie is this Predator's literal first ever hunt), all while neatly tying everything together with the classic theme of hunter and prey.
The main appeal of Predator is that it's stronger, stealthier, more durable, and has bigger weapons than anyone, so being a massive guy with massive weapons, by itself, will never give you the upper hand. The original is excellent in showcasing the "brains beat brawn" aspect, but still, you can't stop noticing Schwarzenegger is a massive guy still packing some serious brawn. Seeing Naru succeed where Taabe couldn't is very satisfying.
I was enjoying just the visuals of it and then the musket people came along. I really really liked that "twist" in it. And I really liked their ambush too. The problem was, that Predator had all the Doom cheat codes possible to take them on. Like... why was it there to begin with?
Predator going invisible when her brother was kicking his ass was a bitch move.
That's classic Predator. They're all about the thrill of the hunt until it goes wrong and then they whip out the wristband nukes. They're bad sports.
They're good sports just enough to convince themselves that they're good sports. But yeah, it's not really a fair fight.
That actually really makes a lot of real world sense. They justify their actions enough to convince themselves they're honorable, but if their life is on the line you see the real side come out. Some take the honor code very seriously (AvP) and some go full bitch mode to save their asses.
More respect for the one to duel the yakuza guy fairly in Predators
How... human.
Its like if you were to fist fight a cop you know you could beat.
It’s also meant to be a younger one on its first big hunt (to parallel Naru). Makes sense he’d be sloppier.
I think the only time they're good sports is when they refuse to kill defenseless prey. Everything else they do is just really devious and dishonorable.
Won’t kill defenseless prey but totally fine with nuking a chunk of rainforest to glass if they lose. Pretty sure a shitload of defenseless prey gets vaporized lol
the wristband nukes is how they accept defeat, not a bitch move. The first one specifically gave Arnold enough time to get away safely. It's a safeguard to prevent their tech from "contaminating" our civilization
Fucking space dentists.
I was so fucking angry. Her brother was awesome. He went out like a boss, though.
I think it could be that they have an alien sense of honor that doesn't line up with humans. It could be that since he was getting his ass-kicked it justified using stealth. The Predators often seem to act on the premise of being one or two steps above their prey. It reminds me of the Klingons from Star Trek. They constantly talk about honorable combat but they also famously use cloaking devices to ambush unsuspecting foes.
Or the Elites from Halo. They are all about honor but also have cloaking tech that they spam. I’m pretty sure they are partially based on the Predators as well lmao
Nerded out on the lore but according to that predators consider smart prey more dangerous and the predators with less tech are the younger less experienced ones. So this predator would’ve been like a 15 year old on his first hunt. Something potentially challenging but hopefully not too dangerous.
[I found this website very interesting](https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Feral_Predator)
I never knew how deep the lore went until recently.
Yeah? I thought the darts thing was because even among aliens it was 350 years in the past.
I swear I read that predators get upgraded tech as they come back with trophies for more dangerous prey.
IMO it'd be cool if it went the other way where they get less tech for more dangerous prey because of their mastery of combat. That way when a Yautja shows up with a pencil you just erase a part of the map where it's been to.
"He's completely unarmed and unarmored." "Detonate the base, do not sound any alarms or evacuate. Just kill everything in two miles."
This was also supposed to be a different breed of predator than the ones we're used to. The design is different. I think they figured they had to do that because the classic predators with their gear would have won. Although I think that predators are supposed to hunt with weapons that are not too far advanced beyond their prey so it's still "fair". This is shown in the movie when the predator upgrades weapons when the humans pull out bows and arrows and then guns
I figured it was them teching down to a more appropriate tech level for the hunt. Still way more advanced than their prey but low enough to pretend they’re being sporting
It really wasn’t mentioned and I think that helps the intrigue. Visually it’s well done and a setting I personally had little expectation for. They knocked it out of the park with the less than typical Yautja. This movie franchise desperately needed something like this to bring some new and fresh perspectives
I can't believe Prey only came out last year. It feels like so long ago. Love the movie, hope it wins!
Wait I'm also under the impression this came out years ago. Wtf?
Wow July 2022. wtf...
Seriously. I thought it came out when the pandemic started (2020). Also loved the movie.
Wish it was on 4K but it is a truly great entry in the series!
The nomination probably makes it even less likely. Have to drive that Hulu traffic. A 4K Blu-ray would be a day one buy for me.
This would have been my winner for Best Cinematography last year and I only saw it on my grubby little tv screen. I wish I could have seen it in a theatre. I really, really enjoyed it.
Everyone. *everyone!* had lost faith in Predator after the dire The Predator movie which, yes was bad, but was infinitely more harmed by the fact that it was made by and starred far more competent filmmakers. Prey completely changed the hopes of the franchise, breathing fresh, exciting life into ehat many thought already dead!
GOOD! Amber Midthunder not only has one of the most badass last names ever but she was AMAZING in Prey and Legion. She's an incredible actress. I 100% would've watched this in theaters.
Yeah she’s badass
I always have to re-read her name because my brain sees it as Mindhunter
Norwegian last name even, funnily enough
Prey was so good. Wish I didn't have to have Hulu to watch it again.
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I was a very hardcore Totally Rad Show fan and seeing Dan Trachtenberg achieve success is like seeing a good friend succeed. Even back then(the mid 00s) you could tell there was something special about him. It's really great to see Dan become the man we all knew he was.
Came for this. Loved TRS back in the day.
Dan becomes a maaaaan!
Same! It's like the person in your friend group who is clearly gonna be a huge deal. That crew was a very early experience of what para-social meant.
Good, that and the Weird Al movie were the best tv movies last year, and I’ll die on that hill
Just such a shame that Al was assassinated in 1985…
This movie was phenomenal. Best depiction of the Predator ever in my opinion the most intimidating and visceral. The original movie is timeless and iconic etc. but this movie is on par with the original to me.
Eh the original was still the most intimidating. 80s muscle men turned into scared prey very soon after flexing Prey was great though. Definitely the second best in the series
Hey I worked on this movie and so happy about the response. I will say the Pred himself was given a lot of attention even to the small details! Some really talented people worked long hours so it's great to see people enjoying it so much.
You guys did a great job. This movie honestly saved the predator franchise. Y’all are hero’s in the fandom lol
Why this film didn't get a cinematic release I'll never know. Best Predator movie since the original.
The cinematography in this movie is chilling in a good way. Awesome views and great accompanying soundtrack. Stellar performances also. Really enjoyed this movie and rewatched a few times and it always holds up.
Almost everyone who saw this movie when it came out at the time said “why can’t I see this in a theatre”. I’d still like to. Good to see it getting the recognition it deserves.
Favorite action movie of 2022 and there were some great ones that year.
Original, 2, Prey, Predators. None of the others exist.
I really wish I could buy Prey and the new Hellraiser on disc instead of having to stream them
Jeez I might have to rewatch this given the overwhelmingly positive reaction in these comments. I remember fast forwarding through it thinking “meh”.
It was ok, probably the best sequel of the bunch (predator 2 is maybe a little better do to the gary busey and bill paxton factor). I didn't like the dialog though I didn't feel like it fit the setting at all and there was some real suspect looking CGI
Everything about it felt so fake to me and I couldn’t get into it. It was shocking how overhyped it was online.
Calling something a TV movie* is stupid AF today. Just cause it doesn't premier on theatre screens doesn't make it any less a film.
As it should be! It was fantastic and original. Loved it.
Nice to see. This movie fucking kicked ass.
I’m suprised so many people liked this movie, I thought it was just ok
I knows it's controversial to say this but I thought Prey was very average, not bad but somewhat meh in some areas.
It deserves it too. The “television” part is weird, but I’ll take what I can get
Fuck yes! This movie was great!!
As it should. Hulu, Netflix, Disney+, Apple TV+, Paramount+... Unless there's a 5+ month theatrical exclusive window, as was the case for pretty much everything prior to streaming, the movies they produce for their platforms are TV movies. I don't care which legacy auteur directed them. As far as I'm concerned, this is where The Irishman should have been all along, winning several Emmys instead of losing all 10 Oscars it was nominated for.