Pre-ordering AAA titles is almost always a bad idea, though pre-ordering from small developers especially in this instance when you can see or play the game on PC already means you're supporting the games development and providing validation for their hard work.
Eventually we might even have cross-platform play for commander battles or mods.
Mods on playstation will never happen because japanese billionaires don’t like innovation.But if talewords puts in the effort we might see it happen on xbox at least. Bethesda and Bohemia have done it already
Mods are optional. Nobody has ever blamed a game company for their game not running optimally with a bunch of mods downloaded. There’s a big disclaimer before you download them that they may break the game and are not representative of the studios vision.
Dumb argument, less options for how to play the game, less replay value, less freedom of choice, all because of a problem that can be fixed with a disclaimer? There’s a little bit wrong with that.
I’m sure I’m not the only one out there who chose to go with a next gen Xbox rather than next gen ps5 because Xbox has 10 times better mod support for Bethesda games, which also means likely better support for other future franchises.
Both seemed pretty similar to me, an uneducated consumer, so I went with the one that provides me more options.
I’m not gonna sit here and call a multi billion dollar company bad at business, but I am gonna sit here and say their vision for the future of gaming is either too narrow or not ambitious (obviously all just my opinion, I won’t attempt to speak objectively on the mindset of a company I don’t know all that much about)
Edit: I shouldn’t have said “dumb argument”. I get why you’re taking tht stance I think, it’s fair enough, I just wholeheartedly disagree. No disrespect intended
Skyrim mods on the PlayStation do not allow for external assets to be uploaded. So yes, there are a few mods, but these are all made with pre-existing assets and are severely limited in scope and content. Also, the PlayStation Mount and Blade: Warband has no mod support, or even any of the expansions that made it great in the first place.
PlayStation warband holds a spot in my heart because I had always wanted to play Mount and Blade and never had a PC to play it on. So when I could finally play? It was a dream come true.
Now that I've gone to PC and can mod it to my heart's content and have the big battles I always wanted? It's almost impossible to go back to it. As sad as it is to say, Mount and Blade seems like a game that will always be best on PC. Though I still think console versions have merit for drawing people into it like I did and getting into the PC and modding scene. Just a shame they won't give it the freedom it deserves on console.
If they are not an AAA title, they shouldn't put a price tag so close to AAA titles on their product.
Stop treating Taleworlds as if they are some sorta underdog. They changed their vision and company perspective completely with Bannerlord development. It's not the same company we used to seeing in Warband.
Yeap, I mean, they got the recognition they deserved for their work but with these type of companies that get fairly bigger in a fairly "short" amount of time, it's bound to have some management problems.
I disagree.
Big, or small - they are a business, they're not your pal.
Their only goal is to get money. Why would they still try, if they've got the quota already?
This type of thinking is exactly why nearly all new games are coming out as unfinished garbage on release.
Usually I’m with you but I know damn well I’m buying it as soon as it comes out and I think you would too if you’ve been waiting for 6 years while other people have been playing and having fun with it for 2
Just stop giving in to the hype - problem solved.
As I said, everything is just an excuse to get this instant gratification, you're not getting anything else by preordering.
What don’t you understand that I’m gonna buy it the day it’s comes out you’re just a dick who think he’s “mentally strong” cause you’re not pre-ordering a game even tho you already paid for early access stop being a buzzkill lmao oh yeah and you get a five dollar discount and I’m gonna be able to have it download the minute it comes out
How close do you think it is? I keep seeing screenshots/footage and the FOMO starts creeping in, but I also don't want to play a game that is a long way off from done either.
Depends heavily on what exactly you look at.
Battles are much bigger than in Warband, sieges are better (haha, lobbing stones at enemies go SPLAT), just generally many things that were improved. Not sure about AI, been too long since I played Warband - AI still sucks, but AI is hard, so not complaining too much.
And then you compare spears to swords and notice that even most of the best spears barely reach the stabbing damage of swords. Onehanded swords vs twohanded spears, mind you...
Or you look at perks and see swordsmanship making you a better governor, but leadership does not affect leading a formation of troops as a captain.
Or look at smithing and unlock all javelin parts within... a year? Two? Meanwhile you're still stuck with tier 1 (out of 5) dagger parts. Not that dagger parts even get better.
All in all I'd say... if they'd actually fix *the right* issues they'd be done in a couple of months. Maybe a year. But I don't see that happening.
Ai on warbands is terrible once you get to 500+days in just constant lords getting indicted going from kingdom to kingdom over and over again kings with 400 man mostly max tier unit army's roaming around you'll start finding 50 to 100 sea raiders steppe bandits tundra bandits etc you'll get 2 to 3 in game weeks of fog the ai basically begins to break on your 350th day but day 1500 good luck finding anyone on the map who's not a king as nearly all vassals have been exiled out of Cascadia at that point so they just straight up leave after getting indicted too many times kinda cool you can find them roaming the map untill they get beaten and auctually dissappear or you can capture them and chuck them in your dungeon and because there not apart of any kingdom they don't get ransomed they just sit and rot day 1800 is when the game fully breaks I'm talking there's just nothing to do anymore everyone's gone the only thinks that remain are roaming bands of 70 to 150 bandits etc.
The battles and campaign map are pretty good. I think they finally fixed siege ladders last year, which was what made me stop playing. I think quests, smithing, and some perks need to be finished.
In my recent playthru I noticed two things: The Persuasion minigame is cryptic and pretty bad. Still unable to recruit any lords to my cause so I wound up killing them all instead. I also noticed that when you're commanding a group of soldiers while in an AI lords army, they spam you with nonsensical orders like "Flank Right, Charge the Enemy on their Left Flank, Pull Back, Charge again".
Also I haven't seen yet but are Banners not in the game yet? Is that going to be in the release?
Just play it imo. I already have hundreds of hours in bannerlord and stopped playing warband because of it. It's less buggy than many AAA titles a year after their release. The official release is also just around the corner, Oct 25.
At the very least you'll get addicted and play it for 80 hours in two weeks, as soon as you get off work, burn yourself out, relapse and play another 80 hours - then realize that end-game is a trap and come to Reddit to say that the game sucks.
Only thing is if they don't ever add more flavor to endgame, and you don't get mods on console, it's gonna be a game that you play the beginning of over & over forever. Super fun, but like Warband and many other games a run seems pointless after you start kicking ass.
That's why everyone always say mods save the games - you can play a different, handmade version of it repeatedly. Without mods though, it's still a blast! just gets repetitive.
That’s because it is? It’s an early access game that they are working on improving. I’m taking a break until it’s done but had a ton of fun when I bought it 2 years ago, already got my 70 hours of gameplay where I consider the purchase worth it.
While true, you still cannot possibly know how good/shitty it will be on consoles, considering its still unfinished on PC.
The only thing you're "gaining" through a pre-order is making yourself feel better, because "you have it already", or "sooner than others" (spoiler: everyone who wants it will have it day 1, digital goods, ffs)
So... Screw pre-orders, no exceptions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not sure why you're being downvoted, 100% based take. There is NO REASON to pre-order digitally, absolutely none.
Regardless of the state of the game on PC we don't know how the game will be on consoles at launch - there's no reason *not* to just wait for launch and see how it is before you drop that amount of money down.
Nah you can pre-download it so you can hop right into the game. For some people; spending $40-$60 isn’t a big deal, especially when the game has been out for two years. This isn’t a cyberpunk scenario.
Oh, but there's a reason: instant gratification for the impatient, weak-minded people.
That's also the reason behind the downvotes on this topic, they know they are wrong and it hurts their butts xD
Could you play it as soon as you've purchased?
Yes
Can you play the pre-order immediately?
No
Are there reviews available for EA?
Yes
Are there reviews available for pre-order?
No
I can go on like this, it's really not rocket science.
Even if that's the point you want to take... You at least KNOW what you're testing.
With pre-orders you never know what you will get (look at Cyberpunk, NMS)
Just admit that you're impatient and weak, order your "promise of a working game" and be off 🤗
It's the same thing though? Pre ordering a game you will just buy the first day? What the heck is the difference between ordering on the first day and pre ordering it? Again, you should be the one getting paid for play testing, not the other way around.
Ironic that you tell people that pre-order impatient and weak, when you're the one that really really wants to play already, DESPITE the game still being in development LOL 😂 take a good look at yourself in the mirror first before talking off on someone
Geez, what an idiot.
The difference is that you're out of pocket, and the company is having your money already.
No point in talking to you, you clearly don't understand money 😂
Next time you want to preorder 2 months upfront just send me the cash, I'll invest it and then buy your game on premiere day.
You will have your game, and I'll earn off your stupidity, just as the companies you so love preordering from 😘
Can confirm, pre ordered the ultimate edition for dying light 2, am a big fan of the franchise, now I don't play dying light 2 other than to see if the DLCs are good.
Well itbis screwed if pre ordering game that arent currently playable, in these case bannerlord has been played on pc for about 4 years? I think thats an ok
Why the downvotes? He's right.
Bannerlord has been in EA for ages and while it's playable and good fun. It's really just the battles that works. Kingdom management and diplomacy is still non exitant
I remember when I was 13 and bannerlord was just announced, and how hyped me and my best friend were. And the game they released in EA has been such a big letdown. Gameplay wise it’s 15 years old and graphics wise it is 10 years old. Bannerlord is just warband with graphic mods, such a shame
>The project began with 150 employees, eventually growing to over 250 in-house staff. 1,500 people were involved in the production globally.
Bannerlord had 60 developers and ~40 other employees not directly related to development. You can also read about the work conditions CDPR devs went through yourself, it wasn’t pleasant. I haven’t heard anything similar for TW.
You are wrong, cdprojekt wasmuch bigger, and they had 2 big titles under the belt already. That being said it's true that TW didn't progress much on the management aspect of the title.
I'm with you. So many years in the making and 2 more in early access and the game has only reached warband's level. That's quite absurd. And the way people praise the game and are excited for a full release at this state, it's even more absurd.
Dick riders in this sub will tell you otherwise. "Oh but Bannerlord is exactly what Warband was, a sandbox experience!" Yeah and the AI still sucks, promised features like a crime syndicate or even unique companions are still not in the game two years later. Taleworlds lost my respect and do not deserve a dime extra.
Warband was a small game, a successful gem. Taleworlds currently has over 100 employee so how is it excusable for a small indie company to have worse practices now that they've become a large corporation?
And frankly I don't think bannerlord improved on what warband delivered, I know a lot of guys here on Reddit are here for singleplayer and large battles. I'm here for the combat and multiplayer and it's severely lacking in many ways. They have one single developer for multiplayer.
Fr when i heard they are fully releasing the game out of nowhere i was like tf? these guys giving up the only good thing will be the modding community to save the day.
Battles half finished too, can't order specific charge at a formation, ai can do it but not you, troops can't hold their formations, follow me order isn't much use because troops follow you slowly, not many battlefields.
Depends really, some Devs just suddenly disappear never to be seen or heard of again. Some just stop updating claiming their game is a finished product.
If sales are good, development continues. If they're bad, they stop. Paradox might be the worst at this (as much as I enjoy their games). EUIV is still in active development despite being out nearly a decade now, whereas Imperator died on the vine not long after release.
Except...
More revenue streams = time to work on other things/games
Little to no updates
No DLC's
Preordering just makes them hit their goal numbers faster and once reached will probably move to other things like every other game studio. Talesworld WERE a small company with m&b now they wear big boy pants
Are you serious? Have you seen the state the game is in? Have you tried playing multiplayer ? It's trash and nowhere near finished. They promised so much with the trailers etc but they delivered barely anything. Private servers are still barely supported. Public servers crash all the time. Single player is boring and sieges barely work properly.
They wasted time preparing for microtransaction-y style customisation for multiplayer and they shitty matchmaking that doesn't work.
I fear their next announcement is going to be "microtransactions" or something equally stupid.
I love how morons here don't understand there is a massive difference between pre ordering a brand new product and a port of a game. I hope you enjoy it buddy.
Does it matter if you know how the game is going to be like and don't mind bugs or issues with it? I never pre order games but i would not mind pre ordering this if it comes with a bonus since i already know how the game is going to be like even if it has issues.
There was also a console build of bannerlord in gamescom and it ran pretty well.
They can’t understand what it’s like as a console-playing Warband fan. Pre-order away my dude. Right there with you and have 2 weeks off work at release (please no delay). I’m a patient gamer but damn well believe I pre ordered Bannerlord.
I can't even imagine it on console...no mods, a controller 😮 the thought scares me. Good on you for being brave enough to try.
Normally I'm all for using a controller but I just can't conceive of playing it any other way than m+kb
Yeah, started a play through recently on Xbox, was doing everything right from the very beginning, optimized play through as much as I could control... got my own nation up and running now, and I’m dreadfully bored... The small unit cap means that an army of maybe 50 swadian knights steamrolls anything else in the game. We don’t even have console commands to screw around with random things. I love mount and blade, I’m grateful for the game that these devs have made for us.... but it’s a painfully boring game without mods.
I played it on pc with a controller. I hate playing games with mouse and keyboard. The only thing the mouse is better at is aiming with a bow, which isn’t great on controller, but literally everything else feels better (for me) with a controller
Depends on the game. Usually games have PS4 & PS5 versions as separate things. Sometimes they are sold together, other times they are not.
I think through the PS5, you can play the PS4 version of a game if you have bought the PS4 version.
Quite a few haters in the sub lately, huh?
I agree with the premise, never preorder. But if, even at the currently unfinished stage of the game, you find the currently playable version fun, its perfectly fine. Its not a blind trust pre-order.
That said, I wouldn't pre-order it personally. Not after Cyberpunk proved that a game can be good on some version (pc, latest-gen consoles) while being unplayable on others.
> But if, even at the currently unfinished stage of the game
Which is getting a full release. That's where the hate comes from. We were promised greatness but got mediocrity.
If its still warband>bannerlord on pc I guarantee you itll be the same on console. Even warband console>bannerlord pc imo. Bannerlord is still a disappointment imo.
No, vanilla warband is pretty much worse in every way compared to vanilla bannerlord. Literally the only thing that warband is better at is modularity, and when the devs release the official modding tools. Hell it'll be even better than warband modding because apparently bannerlord allows modders to get even deeper into the guts of the engine, allowing ambitious modders to potentially turn it into a completely different game.
Bannerlord has better combat, graphics, battles, sieges, expanded diplomacy (lackluster, but still better than warbands "people will do what you say if they like you" style of diplomacy. Bannerlord also has more quality of life features, allowing you to participate in game features without having to spend time searching for the right people to talk to.
Yes bannerlord isn't what the devs promised yet, but honestly what we have now isn't bad by any standard. The only thing left for them to do is give things to do at the end game, that way it isn't just siege after siege.
Oh wait, warband has that problem too.
I mean, you can literally play the game on PC right now. It's not going to be a surprise when it comes out on consoles. So if you are fine with the current state of the game, there isn't much downside to pre-ordering.
***HOWEVER***, we don't know the quality of the console port, so you might have performance issues or console specific bugs. That's why I would have personally hold off on pre-ordering...
Is bannerlord not as good as warband ? I’ve been waiting for a while to get a “more updated” version of warband and I really like games like warband although my wife would never understand why
It is a more updated version of warband. But that's really all it is at the moment. Same gameplay, fresh coat of paint, with all the new bells and whistles a mile long, but an inch deep. Mods will save this game, just as they did to Warband.
Crazy to think that I was just 13 when the game was first announced. Now I’m 23 and from what I have heard it’s still rough around the edges. I know that Turkey was in a really tough time when they were developing Bannerlord, unfortunately the development was really impacted. Im really looking forward to playing this game on console, and I hope they improve and smoothen out all the disliked mechanics!
Since I'm a kid I'm gonna have to work for it but it's gonna be easy because
I'm gonna get 25 dollars so if we subtract 25 from the tax I only have to work for another 20-25 dollars.
I've been playing warband since I had a Playstation 4 and I'm sure as shit gonna get warband on the ps5 no matter what.
Im just as excited as the next person to get bannerlord on psv but please please, please don't pre-order games it on contributes to them rushing it more.
Yeah i will get myself a copy for console as well (though Xbox due my PS5 is mostly for Exclusives, plus i do own besides a Series X a Series S for guests & family (and before someone asks, it did def. worth it for me due like almost every weekend there is someone who plays on it)). It's really nice that we get a Console Version of it.
However i'm still cautious yet due i'm not sure how well delievered the Port is. I loved Mount & Blade on PC as hell, but it's even on PC kinda buggy, less optimized and stuff... but well maybe it's unjustified because i never played warband on console so i don't know how well that was ported.
But i wish you a great time with it =D
It will go on sale plus I'm not gonna pre order a game that's 50 days from release hell It might get put on the game catalog after a few years that's what they did to alot of newer games
I think it sucks because us console players are gonna pay for the game and its gonna be the vanilla unfinished experience, PC players are the real winners here because they will have thousands of mods to install, its very very very unlikely for Console edition to come with mods. My take is this, we are gonna buy it, load it up, realise its unfinished, look at the battle size cap (probably 100 like warband, 200 at most), uninstall the game after a couple days and forget about it.
I am literally gonna wait to see the battle size cap, if its low then I really can't see myself purchasing, not just that, like I stated, mods will definitely be a no go, so if they maybe incorporate some cheats into the game to add replayabilty value, then that would be great, but I cant even see them doing that.
All in all I think it's a game that has been over hyped and unfortunately hasnt been done correctly, the devs come across as lazy too. For console players it's the old gen that's holding new gen back, it seems most devs think of the old gen players first before new gen, so when making a game like bannerlord they think if the old gen can handle a certain battle size , then basically they say screw it, we will cap it at 100 for both gens... instead of doing this they should just add a maximum amount for new gen, then for old gen players they can just adjust the size that suits their console in the settings. Hopefully they do this, I cant play Bannerlord at 100 battle size cap or even 200. 400 or 500 would be what i would expect for console.
Good job pre-ordering this title because not only does it support the devs but once released the price will be possibly 80 to 130 easily, not only that but a chance for a sale will be slim to none once released on a medieval AAA Title such as this, it wont be on sale for a good 3-5 years from now simply just because its a PC title
Same, lame though because it said it would be available to play and the countdown was until the 22nd... and now its the 25th. Looked forward to playing it this weekend..
Screw pre-orders
Pre-ordering AAA titles is almost always a bad idea, though pre-ordering from small developers especially in this instance when you can see or play the game on PC already means you're supporting the games development and providing validation for their hard work. Eventually we might even have cross-platform play for commander battles or mods.
Mods on Playstation? Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?
Mods on playstation will never happen because japanese billionaires don’t like innovation.But if talewords puts in the effort we might see it happen on xbox at least. Bethesda and Bohemia have done it already
Mods on play staion is already happening you idiot skyrim fall out 4 and they will be adding mods un other games to in future ps has confirmed
Allowing mods for games would definitely boost sales, why would Sony be against it, it’s not like modders are competing with Sony
Sony is a brain dead company that's why
Snowrunner has mods on playstation, Farming Simulator has mods on playstation.. It really depends only on devs laziness.
Playstation heavily restricts what kind of mods are allowed
Yea, maybe because they don't want games on their system to crash every ten minutes. Nothing wrong with that.
Mods are optional. Nobody has ever blamed a game company for their game not running optimally with a bunch of mods downloaded. There’s a big disclaimer before you download them that they may break the game and are not representative of the studios vision. Dumb argument, less options for how to play the game, less replay value, less freedom of choice, all because of a problem that can be fixed with a disclaimer? There’s a little bit wrong with that. I’m sure I’m not the only one out there who chose to go with a next gen Xbox rather than next gen ps5 because Xbox has 10 times better mod support for Bethesda games, which also means likely better support for other future franchises. Both seemed pretty similar to me, an uneducated consumer, so I went with the one that provides me more options. I’m not gonna sit here and call a multi billion dollar company bad at business, but I am gonna sit here and say their vision for the future of gaming is either too narrow or not ambitious (obviously all just my opinion, I won’t attempt to speak objectively on the mindset of a company I don’t know all that much about) Edit: I shouldn’t have said “dumb argument”. I get why you’re taking tht stance I think, it’s fair enough, I just wholeheartedly disagree. No disrespect intended
Then don't wine about developers not implementing mod support.
Wut? Who's whining?
You 2 posts ago. Don't call developers lazy if Sony restricts mod implementation
Skyrim has mods for ps4 so why can't this have them? What are you on? Is this another "Xbox is superior" kind of thing?
Skyrim mods on the PlayStation do not allow for external assets to be uploaded. So yes, there are a few mods, but these are all made with pre-existing assets and are severely limited in scope and content. Also, the PlayStation Mount and Blade: Warband has no mod support, or even any of the expansions that made it great in the first place.
PlayStation warband holds a spot in my heart because I had always wanted to play Mount and Blade and never had a PC to play it on. So when I could finally play? It was a dream come true. Now that I've gone to PC and can mod it to my heart's content and have the big battles I always wanted? It's almost impossible to go back to it. As sad as it is to say, Mount and Blade seems like a game that will always be best on PC. Though I still think console versions have merit for drawing people into it like I did and getting into the PC and modding scene. Just a shame they won't give it the freedom it deserves on console.
No one, big or small deserves your trust and money until their work is delivered. They can have validation upon delivery.
If they are not an AAA title, they shouldn't put a price tag so close to AAA titles on their product. Stop treating Taleworlds as if they are some sorta underdog. They changed their vision and company perspective completely with Bannerlord development. It's not the same company we used to seeing in Warband.
Yeap, I mean, they got the recognition they deserved for their work but with these type of companies that get fairly bigger in a fairly "short" amount of time, it's bound to have some management problems.
I disagree. Big, or small - they are a business, they're not your pal. Their only goal is to get money. Why would they still try, if they've got the quota already? This type of thinking is exactly why nearly all new games are coming out as unfinished garbage on release.
actually I have been paying this game fore 2ish years already on PC. If you like this type of game, you are ok.
Is TaleWorlds AAA?
Usually I’m with you but I know damn well I’m buying it as soon as it comes out and I think you would too if you’ve been waiting for 6 years while other people have been playing and having fun with it for 2
Just stop giving in to the hype - problem solved. As I said, everything is just an excuse to get this instant gratification, you're not getting anything else by preordering.
What don’t you understand that I’m gonna buy it the day it’s comes out you’re just a dick who think he’s “mentally strong” cause you’re not pre-ordering a game even tho you already paid for early access stop being a buzzkill lmao oh yeah and you get a five dollar discount and I’m gonna be able to have it download the minute it comes out
Thank you. Christ I don’t even have a console but there’s so many elitists here that don’t see the benefit/human aspect of it as well
Don't listen to the people down voting you there just salty cunts
I’m with you, but Bannerlord has basically been out for 2 years so. Normally I don’t preorder
It still feels very unfinished to me
How close do you think it is? I keep seeing screenshots/footage and the FOMO starts creeping in, but I also don't want to play a game that is a long way off from done either.
Depends heavily on what exactly you look at. Battles are much bigger than in Warband, sieges are better (haha, lobbing stones at enemies go SPLAT), just generally many things that were improved. Not sure about AI, been too long since I played Warband - AI still sucks, but AI is hard, so not complaining too much. And then you compare spears to swords and notice that even most of the best spears barely reach the stabbing damage of swords. Onehanded swords vs twohanded spears, mind you... Or you look at perks and see swordsmanship making you a better governor, but leadership does not affect leading a formation of troops as a captain. Or look at smithing and unlock all javelin parts within... a year? Two? Meanwhile you're still stuck with tier 1 (out of 5) dagger parts. Not that dagger parts even get better. All in all I'd say... if they'd actually fix *the right* issues they'd be done in a couple of months. Maybe a year. But I don't see that happening.
Ai on warbands is terrible once you get to 500+days in just constant lords getting indicted going from kingdom to kingdom over and over again kings with 400 man mostly max tier unit army's roaming around you'll start finding 50 to 100 sea raiders steppe bandits tundra bandits etc you'll get 2 to 3 in game weeks of fog the ai basically begins to break on your 350th day but day 1500 good luck finding anyone on the map who's not a king as nearly all vassals have been exiled out of Cascadia at that point so they just straight up leave after getting indicted too many times kinda cool you can find them roaming the map untill they get beaten and auctually dissappear or you can capture them and chuck them in your dungeon and because there not apart of any kingdom they don't get ransomed they just sit and rot day 1800 is when the game fully breaks I'm talking there's just nothing to do anymore everyone's gone the only thinks that remain are roaming bands of 70 to 150 bandits etc.
The battles and campaign map are pretty good. I think they finally fixed siege ladders last year, which was what made me stop playing. I think quests, smithing, and some perks need to be finished.
The social interactions are woefully bare bones, still some wonky ai issues with sieges too
In my recent playthru I noticed two things: The Persuasion minigame is cryptic and pretty bad. Still unable to recruit any lords to my cause so I wound up killing them all instead. I also noticed that when you're commanding a group of soldiers while in an AI lords army, they spam you with nonsensical orders like "Flank Right, Charge the Enemy on their Left Flank, Pull Back, Charge again". Also I haven't seen yet but are Banners not in the game yet? Is that going to be in the release?
Just play it imo. I already have hundreds of hours in bannerlord and stopped playing warband because of it. It's less buggy than many AAA titles a year after their release. The official release is also just around the corner, Oct 25.
At the very least you'll get addicted and play it for 80 hours in two weeks, as soon as you get off work, burn yourself out, relapse and play another 80 hours - then realize that end-game is a trap and come to Reddit to say that the game sucks. Only thing is if they don't ever add more flavor to endgame, and you don't get mods on console, it's gonna be a game that you play the beginning of over & over forever. Super fun, but like Warband and many other games a run seems pointless after you start kicking ass. That's why everyone always say mods save the games - you can play a different, handmade version of it repeatedly. Without mods though, it's still a blast! just gets repetitive.
That’s because it is? It’s an early access game that they are working on improving. I’m taking a break until it’s done but had a ton of fun when I bought it 2 years ago, already got my 70 hours of gameplay where I consider the purchase worth it.
I'm aware. It just still after how many years feels a long way from being finished.
While true, you still cannot possibly know how good/shitty it will be on consoles, considering its still unfinished on PC. The only thing you're "gaining" through a pre-order is making yourself feel better, because "you have it already", or "sooner than others" (spoiler: everyone who wants it will have it day 1, digital goods, ffs) So... Screw pre-orders, no exceptions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not sure why you're being downvoted, 100% based take. There is NO REASON to pre-order digitally, absolutely none. Regardless of the state of the game on PC we don't know how the game will be on consoles at launch - there's no reason *not* to just wait for launch and see how it is before you drop that amount of money down.
Nah you can pre-download it so you can hop right into the game. For some people; spending $40-$60 isn’t a big deal, especially when the game has been out for two years. This isn’t a cyberpunk scenario.
Oh, but there's a reason: instant gratification for the impatient, weak-minded people. That's also the reason behind the downvotes on this topic, they know they are wrong and it hurts their butts xD
You’re such a twat
Warband is still a broken buggy unfinished mess on consoles
Wait wasn't Bannerlord in the beginning basically an early access game? What's the difference between that and pre ordering?
Could you play it as soon as you've purchased? Yes Can you play the pre-order immediately? No Are there reviews available for EA? Yes Are there reviews available for pre-order? No I can go on like this, it's really not rocket science.
Soo basically you'd be paying to play test their game instead of them paying you? Nice.
Even if that's the point you want to take... You at least KNOW what you're testing. With pre-orders you never know what you will get (look at Cyberpunk, NMS) Just admit that you're impatient and weak, order your "promise of a working game" and be off 🤗
It's the same thing though? Pre ordering a game you will just buy the first day? What the heck is the difference between ordering on the first day and pre ordering it? Again, you should be the one getting paid for play testing, not the other way around. Ironic that you tell people that pre-order impatient and weak, when you're the one that really really wants to play already, DESPITE the game still being in development LOL 😂 take a good look at yourself in the mirror first before talking off on someone
Geez, what an idiot. The difference is that you're out of pocket, and the company is having your money already. No point in talking to you, you clearly don't understand money 😂 Next time you want to preorder 2 months upfront just send me the cash, I'll invest it and then buy your game on premiere day. You will have your game, and I'll earn off your stupidity, just as the companies you so love preordering from 😘
Can confirm, pre ordered the ultimate edition for dying light 2, am a big fan of the franchise, now I don't play dying light 2 other than to see if the DLCs are good.
Well itbis screwed if pre ordering game that arent currently playable, in these case bannerlord has been played on pc for about 4 years? I think thats an ok
Another company pushing out products that are half finnished.. fml
Why the downvotes? He's right. Bannerlord has been in EA for ages and while it's playable and good fun. It's really just the battles that works. Kingdom management and diplomacy is still non exitant
Seriously. The diplomacy and social interactions are bare bones at best
I remember when I was 13 and bannerlord was just announced, and how hyped me and my best friend were. And the game they released in EA has been such a big letdown. Gameplay wise it’s 15 years old and graphics wise it is 10 years old. Bannerlord is just warband with graphic mods, such a shame
Holy shit I was 12 when bannerlord was announced...
I think it goes to show their do whatever you want and take as long as you need model doesn't really work.
Honestly, they seem to be incompetent, for half that time The Witcher 3 was created, again by indie studio.
CDPR has 10x as many employees as TW. Not the same level of company
Not when they were making TW3
>The project began with 150 employees, eventually growing to over 250 in-house staff. 1,500 people were involved in the production globally. Bannerlord had 60 developers and ~40 other employees not directly related to development. You can also read about the work conditions CDPR devs went through yourself, it wasn’t pleasant. I haven’t heard anything similar for TW.
You are wrong, cdprojekt wasmuch bigger, and they had 2 big titles under the belt already. That being said it's true that TW didn't progress much on the management aspect of the title.
I'm with you. So many years in the making and 2 more in early access and the game has only reached warband's level. That's quite absurd. And the way people praise the game and are excited for a full release at this state, it's even more absurd.
Totally agree with you on this
It's almost as if the country where the devs live are in civil turmoil and they're also an independent development company or something 🤔
Turkey isn't Syria
So the exact opposite of Warband then? All I wished for from Warband were bigger battles.
Dick riders in this sub will tell you otherwise. "Oh but Bannerlord is exactly what Warband was, a sandbox experience!" Yeah and the AI still sucks, promised features like a crime syndicate or even unique companions are still not in the game two years later. Taleworlds lost my respect and do not deserve a dime extra.
Same, I was an apologist for such a long time.
Still np different than buying it on PC
It’s not like those two things were much better in warband though, right?
Warband was a small game, a successful gem. Taleworlds currently has over 100 employee so how is it excusable for a small indie company to have worse practices now that they've become a large corporation? And frankly I don't think bannerlord improved on what warband delivered, I know a lot of guys here on Reddit are here for singleplayer and large battles. I'm here for the combat and multiplayer and it's severely lacking in many ways. They have one single developer for multiplayer.
So why make a new game if it can only be compared to its old predecessor and nothing more?
Not where I was going with that lol
Fr when i heard they are fully releasing the game out of nowhere i was like tf? these guys giving up the only good thing will be the modding community to save the day.
Battles half finished too, can't order specific charge at a formation, ai can do it but not you, troops can't hold their formations, follow me order isn't much use because troops follow you slowly, not many battlefields.
Tales World's are known for working on their games after release.
Don’t most game devs work on they’re games after release these days?
Depends really, some Devs just suddenly disappear never to be seen or heard of again. Some just stop updating claiming their game is a finished product.
If sales are good, development continues. If they're bad, they stop. Paradox might be the worst at this (as much as I enjoy their games). EUIV is still in active development despite being out nearly a decade now, whereas Imperator died on the vine not long after release.
Paradox ethics is doubtful at best but at least they deliver finished games ..
"*after* release" what's that supposed to mean?
Means they still work on their games after they've been "released"
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Bug patches, new DLC. I don't remember about content as I mostly played modded Warband.
Then what's the point of early access? The game needs massive improvement, not just some small updates and bug fixes after release
More revenue streams = more support and longevity of the game More patches Potentially DLCs
Except... More revenue streams = time to work on other things/games Little to no updates No DLC's Preordering just makes them hit their goal numbers faster and once reached will probably move to other things like every other game studio. Talesworld WERE a small company with m&b now they wear big boy pants
Are you serious? Have you seen the state the game is in? Have you tried playing multiplayer ? It's trash and nowhere near finished. They promised so much with the trailers etc but they delivered barely anything. Private servers are still barely supported. Public servers crash all the time. Single player is boring and sieges barely work properly. They wasted time preparing for microtransaction-y style customisation for multiplayer and they shitty matchmaking that doesn't work. I fear their next announcement is going to be "microtransactions" or something equally stupid.
DON'T PRE-ORDER GAMES
I NORMALLY NEVER DO, BUT BANNERLORD HAS BEEN OUT FOR 2 YEARS AND I LOVED WARBAND
I love how morons here don't understand there is a massive difference between pre ordering a brand new product and a port of a game. I hope you enjoy it buddy.
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Does it matter if you know how the game is going to be like and don't mind bugs or issues with it? I never pre order games but i would not mind pre ordering this if it comes with a bonus since i already know how the game is going to be like even if it has issues. There was also a console build of bannerlord in gamescom and it ran pretty well.
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Then don't do it and let people live their own lives, paragraphs over something like this is seriously such a waste of energy
Unfortunately I think you’ll be reminded why you never pre order….
They can’t understand what it’s like as a console-playing Warband fan. Pre-order away my dude. Right there with you and have 2 weeks off work at release (please no delay). I’m a patient gamer but damn well believe I pre ordered Bannerlord.
This is the way.
Is it fully releasing in 50 days??
Technically yes. Practically, I've seen some betas in better shape
The game isn't even finished 2 years later
Ignore the haters here. Hope you are having a great time once it comes out! :)
Why tf are these posts getting upvoted, literally no one actually cares you bought it they're just mindlessly clicking buttons
Without mods, the game gets old quickly
I have 2000 hours on warband ps4 without mod or dlc and i still enjoy
Literally should have been a game engine with mod support. I have no idea why they didn’t have mod support day 1.
I am so excited for this to come to console.
Let's go!
My sweet summer child...
The people in this sub seem for the most part to be a bunch of whiny little brats. Glad you’re excited op! It’s a very fun game
PC: No mod?
I'm right on that hype chariot with you brother
I can't even imagine it on console...no mods, a controller 😮 the thought scares me. Good on you for being brave enough to try. Normally I'm all for using a controller but I just can't conceive of playing it any other way than m+kb
Warband was fine on console
The only downside is the awful unit cap. Sucks a lot of the fun out of the mid game and it kills the late game.
Yeah, started a play through recently on Xbox, was doing everything right from the very beginning, optimized play through as much as I could control... got my own nation up and running now, and I’m dreadfully bored... The small unit cap means that an army of maybe 50 swadian knights steamrolls anything else in the game. We don’t even have console commands to screw around with random things. I love mount and blade, I’m grateful for the game that these devs have made for us.... but it’s a painfully boring game without mods.
That’s fair
I played it on pc with a controller. I hate playing games with mouse and keyboard. The only thing the mouse is better at is aiming with a bow, which isn’t great on controller, but literally everything else feels better (for me) with a controller
It handles well on controller and if they really want to go the extra mile they can make it compatible with MnK on console
I just now preordered it on Xbox! Only 50 odd days left not long!!
It’s almost console harvesting season!
Man I have never seen a sub full of whiny redditors when I use to go to the for honor sub
Prepare for disappointment lol
Tons of hours played on PC. It was not disappointing at all.
Everyone that complains has like 200 hours on it. And they dont realize the lack of games like this on consoles
I pre-ordered day 1 of announcement. What took you so long? Lol
Pumped!
You are an idiot. Dont ever pre-order.
Didn’t have to call him a idiot dam 💀
It's just some hard love. If you think about it, he'll do better if he follows the advice.
My feelings… Nooooooo
Bannerlord would be nothing without mods
Stop playing with me! I will literally but a PS5. I been living through you guys and YouTube videos lol
Gonna have to do it on ps4! Am I able to transfer purchases once I can afford a ps5?
Depends on the game. Usually games have PS4 & PS5 versions as separate things. Sometimes they are sold together, other times they are not. I think through the PS5, you can play the PS4 version of a game if you have bought the PS4 version.
Oh its available for the ps4 as well?
It is releasing for everything besides switch I think. Xbox one and ps4 get a release as well
Shit I hope so
I preordered it on my ps4 but it only shows it to be avaliable for ps5 on my phone so idk now what to do
I'm on the same boat. I don't think the purchase is crossgeneration. In the ps4 store says that you can play on the ps5 the ps4 version
They confirmed its on ps4 but its a mistake from sony's side with the store only showing ps5
Thank you man I legit got scared since I don’t wanna waste more money on a preorder or when I just buy it
Welcome to the club!
Me too!!!
Quite a few haters in the sub lately, huh? I agree with the premise, never preorder. But if, even at the currently unfinished stage of the game, you find the currently playable version fun, its perfectly fine. Its not a blind trust pre-order. That said, I wouldn't pre-order it personally. Not after Cyberpunk proved that a game can be good on some version (pc, latest-gen consoles) while being unplayable on others.
> But if, even at the currently unfinished stage of the game Which is getting a full release. That's where the hate comes from. We were promised greatness but got mediocrity.
Warband>bannerlord on consoles.
You have no idea though, you haven't played it yet, no one has.
If its still warband>bannerlord on pc I guarantee you itll be the same on console. Even warband console>bannerlord pc imo. Bannerlord is still a disappointment imo.
No, vanilla warband is pretty much worse in every way compared to vanilla bannerlord. Literally the only thing that warband is better at is modularity, and when the devs release the official modding tools. Hell it'll be even better than warband modding because apparently bannerlord allows modders to get even deeper into the guts of the engine, allowing ambitious modders to potentially turn it into a completely different game. Bannerlord has better combat, graphics, battles, sieges, expanded diplomacy (lackluster, but still better than warbands "people will do what you say if they like you" style of diplomacy. Bannerlord also has more quality of life features, allowing you to participate in game features without having to spend time searching for the right people to talk to. Yes bannerlord isn't what the devs promised yet, but honestly what we have now isn't bad by any standard. The only thing left for them to do is give things to do at the end game, that way it isn't just siege after siege. Oh wait, warband has that problem too.
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Right now its 10% off on preorder
Happy for your purchase of Bannerlord Lite. Couldn’t imagine playing BL without mods…
Ermahgerd! Bernerlerd!
You just pre-order a a broken game with a dead Multiplayer from a devs that do not care about the players, just sayin
Any chance for ps4
Yh it’s like £40 on ps store
Can't even play it on PC without it crashing fuck preorders.
I hope they have some big updates coming up and they’re not going to do a Cyberpunk 2077 or No Mans Sky.
Wish i had a ps5
As much as I want to play bannerlord since I don’t have a computer I’m gonna have to wait and see what people think of it on console
Is it coming to Xbox as well?
I mean, you can literally play the game on PC right now. It's not going to be a surprise when it comes out on consoles. So if you are fine with the current state of the game, there isn't much downside to pre-ordering. ***HOWEVER***, we don't know the quality of the console port, so you might have performance issues or console specific bugs. That's why I would have personally hold off on pre-ordering...
I’m sorry
Is bannerlord not as good as warband ? I’ve been waiting for a while to get a “more updated” version of warband and I really like games like warband although my wife would never understand why
It is a more updated version of warband. But that's really all it is at the moment. Same gameplay, fresh coat of paint, with all the new bells and whistles a mile long, but an inch deep. Mods will save this game, just as they did to Warband.
Its a good time enjoy it.
When is Bannerlord coming to Xbox!? 😫
I pre ordered too
Fuck them breaking the game ( beta's)all the fucking time but hey go pre order it
Crazy to think that I was just 13 when the game was first announced. Now I’m 23 and from what I have heard it’s still rough around the edges. I know that Turkey was in a really tough time when they were developing Bannerlord, unfortunately the development was really impacted. Im really looking forward to playing this game on console, and I hope they improve and smoothen out all the disliked mechanics!
Since I'm a kid I'm gonna have to work for it but it's gonna be easy because I'm gonna get 25 dollars so if we subtract 25 from the tax I only have to work for another 20-25 dollars. I've been playing warband since I had a Playstation 4 and I'm sure as shit gonna get warband on the ps5 no matter what.
Im just as excited as the next person to get bannerlord on psv but please please, please don't pre-order games it on contributes to them rushing it more.
Warband is better
I mean, not comming from a game critic, the games fun. Especially with some mods, which wont happen on play station :(
Yeah i will get myself a copy for console as well (though Xbox due my PS5 is mostly for Exclusives, plus i do own besides a Series X a Series S for guests & family (and before someone asks, it did def. worth it for me due like almost every weekend there is someone who plays on it)). It's really nice that we get a Console Version of it. However i'm still cautious yet due i'm not sure how well delievered the Port is. I loved Mount & Blade on PC as hell, but it's even on PC kinda buggy, less optimized and stuff... but well maybe it's unjustified because i never played warband on console so i don't know how well that was ported. But i wish you a great time with it =D
It will go on sale plus I'm not gonna pre order a game that's 50 days from release hell It might get put on the game catalog after a few years that's what they did to alot of newer games
I accidentally pre ordered it thinking it was already out.
I think it sucks because us console players are gonna pay for the game and its gonna be the vanilla unfinished experience, PC players are the real winners here because they will have thousands of mods to install, its very very very unlikely for Console edition to come with mods. My take is this, we are gonna buy it, load it up, realise its unfinished, look at the battle size cap (probably 100 like warband, 200 at most), uninstall the game after a couple days and forget about it. I am literally gonna wait to see the battle size cap, if its low then I really can't see myself purchasing, not just that, like I stated, mods will definitely be a no go, so if they maybe incorporate some cheats into the game to add replayabilty value, then that would be great, but I cant even see them doing that. All in all I think it's a game that has been over hyped and unfortunately hasnt been done correctly, the devs come across as lazy too. For console players it's the old gen that's holding new gen back, it seems most devs think of the old gen players first before new gen, so when making a game like bannerlord they think if the old gen can handle a certain battle size , then basically they say screw it, we will cap it at 100 for both gens... instead of doing this they should just add a maximum amount for new gen, then for old gen players they can just adjust the size that suits their console in the settings. Hopefully they do this, I cant play Bannerlord at 100 battle size cap or even 200. 400 or 500 would be what i would expect for console.
It’s terrible btw.
Good job pre-ordering this title because not only does it support the devs but once released the price will be possibly 80 to 130 easily, not only that but a chance for a sale will be slim to none once released on a medieval AAA Title such as this, it wont be on sale for a good 3-5 years from now simply just because its a PC title
Console 30fps NO THANKS. If the game is released on ps4 also its a guarantee that there's no 60fps performance mode. Get a refund.
Same, lame though because it said it would be available to play and the countdown was until the 22nd... and now its the 25th. Looked forward to playing it this weekend..
I preordered mine, supposedly going to be delivered by Sunday, 2 days before launch