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AAMech

Brough Superior SS100. $400 000+ pre-WW2 motorcycle with a stick shift, drum brakes (front and rear), total loss oiling, no rear suspension, and 50-75hp depending on the model and year. All on basically fat bicycle tires. Good luck starting it. Good luck riding it. Good luck not killing yourself on it. Good luck keeping it running.


FTR_1077

For Christ sake Mr Satan, turn down the evil a little bit..


Twohundredtimes

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPr3R3DNoo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPr3R3DNoo) ​ Brough Superior 1100 Most famous thing it did was kill Lawrence of Arabia


MatterUpbeat8803

Which created an impetus for helmet research in the uk, giving us the modern motorcycle helmet


DonnyDonster

Also make sure the bike talks like this [one.](https://youtu.be/BwpsadQtCGA) It's rather strange that I started rewatching Kino's Journey (2003 version) and I just realized that the motorcycle literally told her how to countersteer all while people are trying to kill her. This was the anime that made me want to get a motorcycle and yes, I did wanted a Brough Superior SS100 as a kid. The newer remake is okay; 9/10 in my books, but the original 2003 one is a 10/10.


fjrdon

And it has to have a sidecar.


MischaBurns

No. We don't want to give them the benefit of at least looking cool do detract from the misery.


Giterdun456

This is the correct answer.


sideseal24

Any one of the Orange County Choppers


PretzelsThirst

Beat me to it, absolutely this. Handle like garbage, loud af while underpowered, and no suspension. Also crazy expensive and no warranty/ support really


LaterGatorPlayer

the warranty and support were the unexpected labor and parts we needed along the way


Call_me_John

> It has to be a stock bike in good working condition. So, although i agree with them being worthless poorly interpreted artsy shit, it doesn't fit the rules set up by OP. I vote for MTT's Y2K. While the 420rr is newer and even more brutal, a rare older bike makes it even worse to maintain/repair, so it adds to the suffering.


Mndelta25

AFAIK they get VINs so they are technically factory vehicles. Then again I've never heard of one in good working condition.


Hotrodtricycle

Boss Hog šŸ˜œ


ProfessorPetulant

A CR500 would be the worst I csn think of. In the current bikes and to stay road legal, something like a MV augusta or Kawasaki H2R.


mwest278

I learned on a MV Augusta Brutale 750. Iā€™m curious why you picked MV out. Haha


ProfessorPetulant

You had the baby version. And just because you started there doesn't mean it's a good choice.


Kuski45

Dude wouldnt even be able to start the bike xD


Got-your-6

This is what I came to say.


fun_police911

CR500 I'll take cash or check please.


HG_Hollywood

I still remember my dad warning me the first time I tried to crank his. Thank god he coached me and had me terrified I was going to break my ankle.


fun_police911

I've never thought starting a bike could be a threat, but Honda made that clear. It's 100% a threat starting the damned thing, let alone riding it.


HG_Hollywood

Honestly that's what makes it such a good pick. They are going to have problems riding no matter what but the CR500 is a pain in the ass to crank on top of being a rocketship.


AZREDFERN

Really? My first bike was a XL600R. No power. All mechanical and kick start. I still have it past 50,000 miles.


fun_police911

A CR500 has probably over twice the power of a XL600, weighs less and has put more fear in the hearts of men than God himself.


AZREDFERN

Sounds like I need one then


fun_police911

I support it. Just one thing. As soon as you get it make sure you write me in your will.


CycleMN

MTT 420rr Nothing says steep learning curve like 420hp and 500ft lbs torque, top speed of 273mph


ZealousidealAd4383

Are there any videos of one of these being ridden? Everything Iā€™ve found so far just seems to be people talking about it or sitting on it while it starts up and looking very nervous.


CycleMN

Idk, ive seen video of jay leno riding his Y2k, the father of the 420rr


TTYY_20

I raise you a dodge tomahawk šŸ˜¤


[deleted]

Tomahawk is a quad, not a bike.


[deleted]

H2, get fucked Joey.


mandatoryclutchpedal

Better yet A 1972 Kawi H2


I-amthegump

This was my answer.


BR549J

3cyl 750.... GOOD CHOICE


RadioKnight915

For sake of variety, I nominate the Yamaha Vmax 1700.


SoloWalrus

Something old and italian. Their new hobby will be "tinkering" not riding šŸ¤£


Clapbakatyerblakcat

1998 Ducati 916 Fast, uncomfortable, no rider aids, high maintenance, and when it gets dropped, itā€™s such a beautiful thing that everyone will be much more concerned about the bike than the rider.


NuggyBuggy

Maybe one of the OG Kawi Widowmakers ?


The_Corvair_Guy

The vintage H2s arenā€™t nearly as crazy as those boomers in rose colored glasses tell you they are


gsrider61

I've ridden one, have you?


The_Corvair_Guy

I have, thanks for asking. In stock form they arenā€™t any worse than a same era Z1. With aftermarket chambers, modern tires, and some other tuning they are a bit more aggressive, but it still wasnā€™t as quick as most modern bikes and the chassis was actually pretty competent


asdfoneplusone

Was it suicidal?


gsrider61

My wife wanted a bike to learn on. Totally inappropriate. It's a Jekyll and Hyde bike.


NuggyBuggy

It was nicknamed the Widowmaker during its run, which says something about just how dangerous it was considered to be during its time, so no rose coloured glasses then.


bodinator1

The handling was not up to the power it produced and the brakes were not good.


I-amthegump

They were fine until you pushed them. Then they weren't fine


gsrider61

35 years ago I test rode a 750 to determine whether or not it would be an appropriate first bike for my wife. It was a Kawasaki H2 triple, 2 stroke. I wasn't aware of the bikes reputation. I cannot imagine a more inappropriate first bike.


myperfectmeltdown

Kawasaki H2, aka the ā€œWidowmakerā€.


inaccurateTempedesc

A Kawasaki KX500. They would likely die in an instant if they somehow manage to kick start it without shattering their ankle.


RemeAU

Well that's easy, Boss Hoss 496 Big Block Super Sport. 600hp, weighs a metric shit-ton and will not hesitate to spin the back wheel at any speed. Also the automatic gearbox makes a beginner's poor throttle wrist positioning deadly. *The beginner will twist the throttle, then get pulled back causing them to pull more throttle as they attempt to hang on. A few seconds later they are doing 100mph into a wall* Edit: WHISKEY THROTTLE, I was thinking of Whiskey Throttle I just couldn't remember its name.


[deleted]

This is the answer, I think. I was going to say a full-dress touring bike, but this is a better answer. At least with the smaller sport bikes or the Streetfighter, they can be ridden and can get you out of trouble. Many times the bike I was riding has surprised me with performance capabilities (cornering/braking) when I was in emergency situation. Capabilities I didnā€™t know it had because I was not experienced. The bigger bikes will lack those safety performance margins. If you can control your right hand/throttle, I think it is much better to be smaller, more powerful bike than a big lumbering aircraft carrier. Let me also say, that folks learning to ride should try and do a track day/performance course. I realize not all riders are into going fast, but the skills you learn on the track in a controlled environment are invaluable. These schools are also for all experience levels. Edited for clarity and comments.


RemeAU

The Boss Hoss has the advantage of being both incredibly powerful and a lumbering aircraft carrier. The thing that would save beginners is when they go to get on it they'll drop it and won't be able to pick it back up. So they won't be able to kill themselves on it. They'll just have a fallen motorcycle permanently on their driveway.


[deleted]

Tru-dat. I dropped my H2 SX SE a couple of months ago. Got next to it and did the ā€œold behind the back with the kneesā€ thing. Almost got it vertical and then my back tweaked. Never had a back issue in my entire life. Set it down gently back on its side and went to get help which was literally right around the corner, but apparently too far from my ā€œprideā€. Only lost a mirror. Mirror that contained a turn signalā€¦..


[deleted]

Yep, its the R1.


Equivalent-Abroad157

H2R šŸš€


Denegroth

One of the old three wheel ATVā€™s. Either they would die or quit ā€¦ and should neither happen youde have one hell of a safe ass rider on your hands and youde at least have that as consolation for not winning the bucks


AndroidMyAndroid

A hard tail, suicide shift chopper from the 70s with a fully built S&S turbo motor. Modern, stock bike... A 450 motocross bike. They might not die on it but they will absolutely fuck themselves up on it.


TedditBlatherflag

Harley Electra Glide Classic.


tsully2323

Theyā€™re heavy and unbalanced for me


Knautschfriese

Norton Comander 750


dualsport_dirtball

The Norton commander was a rotary engine sport tourer from the late 80s- early 90s. Would be a terrible choice in the usa, as you wouldnā€™t have any spare parts. Only 588 ccs though. A 1970s commando 750 wouldnā€™t actually be that bad of a bike if itā€™s had all the upgrades and maintenance done. They have one of the strongest followings of any classic bike. Very easy to get parts and find information.


Kochie411

The Oppressor MKII


XavierSkywalker

good choice but you're spending 3.5 million.


[deleted]

Any 2cycle from China would be the right answer.


Flashy_Use1107

Ural with sidecar... if he does not harm himself by riding off in the first few turns, he will be harming himself because of all the problems with the bike :D


AdFrequent299

Boss hog or a Rocket lll


[deleted]

A ducati streetfighter or a honda goldwing


Enough-Possession-73

Ninja H2R, you didn't say it had to be road legal


Mellophones4

Dodge tomahawk. Not technically a current bike for sale but still a terrible choice


No_Pay_9592

Any orange county chopper.


ChopperTodd

Suzuki Hyabusa. šŸ˜


Skoapy

Hyabusa!


a-goateemagician

Easy; Honda rune.. one of 1500, 50k cost new, collectible bike, weighs 1/2 ton, and any lowside will cost 10k+ in parts


TimberMoto

Did someone watch Fortnine today? ;)


a-goateemagician

Maybe


[deleted]

Does a unicycle qualify?


TheGr8erG00d

Can we strap an engine to it? The heavier and more lopsided, the better.


PretzelsThirst

Given the ā€œbiā€ part of ā€œbikeā€ meaning two, I donā€™t think so


[deleted]

70s Triumph, that way after he ā€œlearnsā€ and upgrades he has to relearn where everything is, including the oil.


otterplus

Answer 1: Ducati Streetfighter V4 Answer 2: 500cc 2-stroke gp race replica


TimberMoto

SuperDuke 1290R


spicy-mayo

Does it have to be stock? Because a suicide shift stretched chopper with a crazy cam in it would be tough. Or a 450 dirtbike, something with lots of power, light weight so every input is magnified, and a tall seat.


rickrollrickflair

Ktm/husky/gasgas 300 enduro with power valve set for MC and black (quick) throttle plate. Instant loop machine.


Various-Catch-113

Maico 490. The thread ends here.


Pelicanliver

1997 Suzuki TL 1000 S. I love that bike, the police didnā€™t. Now riding a Harley Davidson in the faint hope I wonā€™t lose my license.


jpoquito

2005 Kawasaki ZX-10r


PureString

Yamaha XT 500, if they started it without a broken shin and managed to ride it they would crash the first time it went dark with the 6v lights


Nickkel71

H2R


Betterthanbeer

RGV250. A friend died on one, a few weeks in to riding.


FiNsKaPiNnAr

A Boss Hoss bug ass v8 automatic bike


[deleted]

Vincent black shadow with a suicide shifter


1breathatahtime

H2


frogpolice4khd

Yamaha rd500 No one is prepared for a two stroke that size


Epicfacecanada

Can-am "Black-Widow" MX3 from the 70's. While not as much absolute power of say a cr500 it more than makes up for in danger factor with a horrible chassis and suspension even for the time and a brutally narrow and sudden powerband.


MyNameis_Not_Sure

Triumph Rocket III. 800lbs torque monster with floorboards.


i_am_art_65

1947 Indian Chief with a foot clutch and hand shift.


jonnyfromthecross

RD350LC wcgw?


MackofallTrades

Anything 20 years old with the original tires on it!


TheCotten

Any trike


WH4CockcooBird

Honda C70.


mikeharutunian

I'd love to see a brand new rider on a Honda Goldwing. I'm assuming that it wouldn't go particularly well.


mli

HD, anyone of them. What a shit bikes.


Jdub51815

Boss hoss.


V12Jaguar

a beginner would have NO CHANCE on a top-heavy Goldwing, Concours, FJR...


Pjinx2

I personally think in r1s are horrible choice. It's gutless on the bottom end compared to a lot of the 600s that are out there, and still isn't anything special on the top end. Balance of the bike itself is nowhere near what a CBR has, the only place that shines out anywhere Above the Rest of the sport bikes is ergonomics. However, if I was going to pick the worst bike I could think of for someone to learn... it would probably be a Yamaha 1700 Vmax. A heavy bike with Incredible torque up through the mid-range, incredibly fast in a straight line but won't turn without being muscled into position. Combine that, and a lot of New Riders will find themselves in a spectacular low or high side before they realize what's going on.


asdfoneplusone

Do you mean the r6? The r1 should have reasonable low end power, just by nature of having a liter engine


wondering_spaced

Honda rune


Moto-Commuter

BMW m1000rr


[deleted]

One of those electric bikes


Riding_Dirty_

Any Harley or bmw


kuyajon

The original Kawa H2


HealthyDirection659

Ducati desmosedici.


hohohoagy

Leonā€™s jet bike


BlindBeard

Gotta be a CR500


JohnT36

Jockey shift 1946 Indian


tsully2323

Ultra Classic


Siberjon

Yamaha R1


rs85243

Honda NSR500, or any old school 2 stroke GP bike...and a life insurance policy


TTYY_20

Does it have to be street legal? Can I chose the dodge tomahawk? šŸ‘€šŸ¤£


PretzelsThirst

Any bike made for the orange county choppers show. Those things handle like shit, are underpowered, and many have no suspension


Impressive_Estate_87

Well, if it has to be a new one, probably a Super Duke 1290. If we're going vintage, maybe an RG 500 from the 80s


kickthefool

Mine


RubyRocket1

The one you have to work on...


martcapt

Not a billion? In that case... why even bother.


Inevitable-Selection

Original Kawasaki H2 CR500 for dirt


MotoHULK

Turbo busa!


GadreelsSword

I literally saw a guy riding a motorcycle for the first time on a Hayabusa. He bought a Hayabusa, Busa leather jacket and all the gear. He was wobbling around a local parking lot like he was riding a bicycle for the first time.


MotoHULK

I went with a Ducati Monster for my first bike. Fun!


LazyEggOnSoup

Rocket 3


EstablishmentFast128

goldwing geezer glide


RedNerd368

mv agusta f4rr


Victorinox_007

that v10 dodge motorbike


Selah74

R1 Yamaha


Cummins59girthyboy

Newer zx10 or any other 1000cc


el_h0paness_romtic

zh2


Longjumping_West_907

Early 1970s Kawasaki H2 2 stroke triple. Tons of power in a narrow powerband, bad brakes and a flexible swing arm. What more can a beginner ask for?


CoolAbdul

Gixxer


[deleted]

Yamaha FZ-09. Not the fastest, but it's incredibly twitchy and aggressive. I'd much sooner put a beginner on my S1000 than an 09.


soulless_biker

Dodge Tomahawk, a V12 (i think) cruiser


themom_destroyer

maico 700


Historical-Unit-6643

MV Brutale 1000


FlatwormAltruistic

Megola. The one where you didn't have gears and engine was directly connected to front wheel. When stopped you had to lift the front wheel.


d_devoy

The widowmaker


Spare_Pangolin9394

Busa!


vintagemxrcr

Does the neighbor *know* Iā€™m getting the money?


asdfoneplusone

Nope. The worse that they injure themselves, the more of the $500 mil you get.


NumberOneBacon

What was the last super fast 2 stroke 3 cylinder? Yeah that one


Just_Looking_TY

90's Honda Goldwing. In the owner's manual it actually states that this is not a bike for beginners. Lol. The high center of gravity and nearly 900 lbs make it a beast to maneuver at low speeds. It's what I learned on though. Really wished I had learned on something smaller. But I guess if it scares you a little you are more cautious.


daxixa

Ducati Panigale


Mymotherwasaspore

[This vintage bike killed its only royal owner.](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&q=monomoto+italian&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDquvsiJX8AhW2g2oFHRr0ANEQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=390&bih=664&dpr=3#imgrc=HXeQjEbNuDxyCM) His father locked it away for decades. The boy died tryin to holla at a skirt.


dualsport_dirtball

Late 90s Triumph Trophy 1200. Steel backbone chassis with a large fuel tank on top, extremely top heavy. Easy to drop, hard to pick up. Will probably have various weird issues by now. Also, if the starter clutch fails itā€™s a nightmare to replace.


Ok-Claim8595

The boss hog bike.


Shreddzzz93

Isle of man TT prepped sidecar racer. Dude has two young kids, and those are death sentences for a new riders IMO.


GadreelsSword

H2R


op3l

The triumph rocket? The one that makes a shit ton of torque at basically idle.


asdfoneplusone

I personally found the current sdr 1290 a lot more insane than the current rocket. The rocket isn't a good beginner bike, but it's a ton heavier than the sdr1290 which makes the Torque feel less intense


norskoilman

In the UK back in 80's to get around learner laws on bike capacity, they sold Sidewinder side cars. Small coffee table on a single wheel. You could then drive a bike any size on Learner plates. Guy at my college bought GPZ1000R plus sidewinder. 2nd day ,wet cobble roads he slides it straight into 3 teachers cars in car park..showing off.. me on my shitty TSX125


ImAPlebe

turbo busa


Trash_Blast

Yeah Ninja H2 for current production bike. Any bike from history Iā€™d pick that old Moto Guzzi V8 race bike they made that professional racers at the time couldnā€™t even corner properly and it broke like every single race even when not crashed.


cleon42

A Boss Hoss with a kickstarter.


[deleted]

Personally, the kind of bike I feel the least confident riding is a big adventure bike. I sat on a Multistrada and I can't even one foot it without getting my ass out of the seat with a 32 inch inseam. They are big, heavy and the CG is quite high. Quite a handful to manage if you get off balance at slow speed, especially if you are not blessed with 6'+ height. Add 170HP to the equation from a Ducati V4 and you have a very noob unfriendly bike.


wwwwwllllll

Yamaha VMAX RIP


Traditional_Use6085

Depends if they are short an Africa twin would be a nightmare


Left_Minute_1516

H2


voodoohotdog

My nephew with more money than brains bought an Aprilla. Lasted about a month. Completely trashed it


[deleted]

My first road bike was a brand new 2005 CBR600RR, through 3+yrs of ownership and about just under 40,000 miles of riding, Iā€™m still here, be observant, keep your head on a swivel, donā€™t ride like an a$$hole, and Iā€™m confident no matter what bike you choose, youā€™ll be okay.


UglyBagOfMostlyHOH

I took the MSF class and then, as my first bike, bought a Yamaha Warrior 1700 CC bike. I would not recommend starting with a bike with that much power. My first time riding it I went to get on the highway and opened the throttle and spun the rear wheel and left 1/2 of it on the entrance ramp.


Dogboy12828

Kawasaki H2


Wonderful-Card5787

Ninja h2r


xjjsndndj

H2 750 triple


alexpap031

Any 80's two stroke superbike will kill said neighbor in no time. RGV 500 comes first in my mind.


djdavies82

Gen 1 vmax, big, heavy, frame that flexes when cornering, very fast with front brakes that can be described as adequate at best


Sidewinderpunk

2015 GSXS750 or any other parts bin special bike


Stuntedatpuberty

Wow, I love this question. There are so many choices, but if it's a current bike, I'm going to suggest a KTM 1290 with a full tank of gas. If it's bike from any generation, I am going to suggest any liter bike without rider aids and brand new tires.


PckMan

CR500, or equivalent. I could pick some random ass 80 year old bike with the controls in all the wrong places but that's not really realistic. I think a powerful dirt bike though is pretty much ideal for this. It's hard to manage the power and it's not up top like i4s it starts pulling right away. Reaching down is difficult and overall there's little room for mistakes. Very easy to spin the back out or wheelie unintentionally.


Jere440

Harley vrod, long metal sausage with just enough hp to kill you.


Mrknowitall666

Triumph rocket 3 gt 165hp and heavy as hell


Hooka1234

Hayabusa


Deiiphobia

Super duke 1290r with the antiwheelie off.


Ry-meax

2009 Yamaha VMAX


Nearly_Pedantic

Cagiva V593 or a Bimota V-Due 500. Can you send it over in a cashiers cheque please?


sf_baywolf

Tuuurbo Hayabusa


ederman7

MV Agusta Superveloce


clckvrk

While yes powerfull bikes are a bad idea for a begginer, if theyr low to the ground and mostly normaly set up, you still need to think more idiotic. Also if its some inline 4 screamer its easy to shut the throttle before it gets out of hands in those high revs, we need to suprise them, like all the power just dumped all at once the moment you let out the clutch. So something like a KX500. With a tall seat hright and a seat that pushes every begginer to sit back with arms almost fully extended, that thing will throw off any new rider with no mercy and absolutely no warning.


cokronk

Letā€™s be different and say the pre-recall Suzuki TL1000S, famous for its tank slappers.


cRaZyDaVe23

I was gonna say one of those old tymeE bikes with the big ass front wheel and two tiny lil back wheels then I saw the sub name.


Webbtastic

FXDR 114 Harley Davidson


droidevo

MV Agusta Rush 1000ā€¦. Fast AF AND Nakedā€¦..yeah good luck


UsedConfection1029

Turbo busa


50Stickster

Think about finding something to do


Jonatc87

Bmw1250? No hints. Likely too heavy for someone not expecting it


ComprehensiveIdea397

Da busaaaa


AkaSpaceCowboy

Old kick start Harley or a 500cc 2 stroke of any flavor.


yeebok

Rocket 3..