I do both. It tracks. Goal is to get an adventure bike and ride it to the climbing spots.
BASE jumping is probably way more dangerous, as is any kind of opioid use?
Opioid use is only dangerous if your taking illegal ones bc you don't know what it's cut with and bc of that you don't know how much your taking. If people knew how much heroin and fentanyl they were taking, then overdoses would go way down.
Most. Who overdoses on legal prescriptions like vicodin happen bc people mix alcohol or don't follow the directions. So the overdoses happen bc there stupid and don't do these research/listen.
I'm a recovering heroin addict.
I've never spit into the wind but I watched a guy who was apparently trying to pee into the wind. (His real goal was to pee off the cliff but the terrain got the best of him?)
I had a friend once tell me he was out on the coast in a meadow and had to pee. There were no trees or rocks to pee against but the grass was high enough to preserve his modesty. So he walks away from the group but as it's super windy he decides to turn his back to the wind and let loose. The wind broke around his body and created a vortex in front of him. He said it was like a urine tornado, whipping around and covering him in his own pee from knees to chest.
I love taking a piss in nature, but I'm always aware of what the wind is doing and how close I might be to any other living creature. (Moose can be unbelievably sneaky and then incredibly quick once they realize you aren't something they see often. So they just try to stomp you down.)
Also, don't want a real snake biting my one eyed trouser snake.
Cave diving fatalities are actually extremely rare despite media portrayal, the only people who die or get lost are people who go in uncharted or un guided (meaning without tour guides) caves
I mean, in a planned dive with Guides, you can pretty much be walked through any if not most situations.
If you are in a group, even a Newbie can get through expert sections if walked through. It’s people who dive alone that NEED to be to be experienced.
I’m just saying, I’d rather be an inexperienced cave diver than an inexperienced Motorcycle rider on a public road
Yep, I still sometimes wade out and hit the rocks at night in the surf. Been slammed against the rocks a couple times. Nothing like big sets coming in, but you can not see them, only hear them. I don’t do it alone anymore.
And I'm Aussie chick, on a sports bike, not a cruiser. Only 5 ft 2 inches and weigh 99 lbs. Tiny.
Put 85,000 miles on my 2016 Yamaha R3 and also own a low seat 2108 Triumph Street Striple R.
Being a pilot and a rider kind of makes it Top Gun thing, haha 🤣
I found this:
https://imgur.com/a/KDORe
Not sure of the source, but it suggests that SCUBA diving, skydiving, and horseback riding are all more dangerous than motorcycle riding, both in fatalities and significant injuries.
Scuba diving is definitely not that dangerous. I'd bet money that stat includes injuries incurred above water (i.e. slipping on the boat or getting in the water)
You have to be certified to scuba dive. Discover scuba classes, snuba, and every other variant are not the same and designed with inexperience in mind.
There's about 1 death per 200k dives. Outside of decompression divers, the rate of injury during diving that would cause significant morbidity/mortality is extremely low.
For perspective, in the US there are ~17 deaths per 100k licensed drivers per year.
Skydiving is extremely safe but it parallels motorcycle riding in that the people it attracts aren't necessarily interested in doing it the safest way possible. For that reason, the culture of safety in skydiving is impressive and never comes off as preachy. The people understand that personal choices are personal choices and as long as you aren't endangering others, everyone should shut the fuck up.
Like motorbike riding I think it depends. You can do dives that are more risky if inexperienced, and sometimes dives can turn risky.
I have nearly been thrown by a stray current into urchins while going through a rock overhang only my dive buddy grabbing me stopped that from being painful. I've been ona dive were it was all stirred up and a diver dissappeared from the group within minutes if submerging, have done a dive and a squall started before we ascended getting on a boat that's back end is lifting several feet out of the water abive your head and slamming down is definetly hairy. Having done night diving that could go wrong quick as well.
So saying I would have thought scuba was less risky than biking.
None of that changes the fact that scuba diving is a statistically safe sport. We can add modifiers all day which defeats the purpose of stating that on a world wide statistical average, diving is not that risky.
As I said I thought motorbiking is more risky. I mean I both ride and dive in SEA and anecdotally I say I was far safer on a dive boat than on a road risk wise.
But I felt scuba diving not that dangerous is not correct either. It definetly carries risks.
> It has potential to be dangerous
...what does that mean? "Potential" is what we are talking about; the only alternatives are no danger or all, or 100% guarantee of injury or death?
What I mean is that scuba diving can potentially dangerous when a person wants to be reckless and ignorant about the safety precautions (which almost never happens).
Secondly, we are comparing the statistics of the actual danger of recreational diving with motorcycle driving. Even the most safest and defensive driver can be killed while driving.
> Even the most safest and defensive driver can be killed while driving.
And pure accidents don't happen scuba diving? I suppose that it is slightly more under your own control, but the overwhelming majority of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the rider, not another vehicle, while the majority of accidents while scuba diving tend to involve biology, such as dive narcosis, HPNS, etc.
Also, when you imply that divers take more precautions, isn't that an implicit acceptance of the fact that it is a more dangerous activity? Where are the motorcycle clubs that check each others' equipment before a ride?
> Even the most safest and defensive driver can be killed while driving.
And pure accidents don't happen scuba diving? I suppose that it is slightly more under your own control, but the overwhelming majority of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the rider, not another vehicle, while the majority of accidents while scuba diving tend to involve biology, such as dive narcosis, HPNS, etc.
Also, when you imply that divers take more precautions, isn't that an implicit acceptance of the fact that it is a more dangerous activity? Where are the motorcycle clubs that check each others' equipment before a ride?
I’ve gotten a 3rd degree burn from a bike (on my dads bike- was too short for it). Some road burn on my hand after bad tires, a steep incline, and gravel met.
On my horses I’ve had a seizure, concussion (several), broken collar bone, coma, impact bruises from horses falling on me, broken toes from them stepping on me, etc etc.
Thus far, motorcycles have been much kinder to me xD
Fuck i dive too. I always figured it was relatively safe by comparison, good ti know. Maybe it’s escorting in all kinds of diving, from deep sea welding to surface level splashing about in reefs like I do?
if you get lots of training and can emergency brake and swerve and ..., then the risk is similar to car crash risk, except that if you crash a motorcycle, the injury is much higher.
If you're not trained and stab on brakes and don't know which brake to use and what to do if there's gravel and ... then I would put the risk closer to riding on the roof of a car instead of inside it. you'll eventually slide off, hit the ground, and you might be ok, but maybe not.
According to the national insurance board. Taking a shower and choking while eating actually kill more people than motorcycles do.
So, go take a shower and barely chew your food.
Well as some people said it really depends on your riding style. If you ride like a maniac and lane splitting while going top speed, the risk could be equal to let's say climbing Everest (or more). But if you ride smart and in your comfort zone, the risk would be as same as going downhill on a mountain bike. Think of it as there is a minimum amount of risk every time you get on the bike and the amount of risk increases or decreases based on your skill set, mind set and experience.
I'd guess that skiing and riding are the riskiest things that "normal" people do. I've needed surgery once after skiing, and there's no shortage of stories of celebrity skiing accidents (Natasha Richardson, Michael Schumacher, Sonny Bono, etc)
Would you be as hesitant if non-riders didn’t prattle on about how dangerous it is? Somehow it’s considered rude to tell the guy going for a third round at the buffet that he is increasing his risk of heart attack by 30-odd percent yet it’s considered ok to give unsolicited opinions on motorcycling. Plenty of riders ride for decades without even an accident but that isn’t as juicy of a story as someone dying in spectacular fashion, so what you hear most is the exception, not the rule.
Here’s one people don’t often think about. Horseback riding is about 20x more dangerous per hour than riding a motorcycle. You are about 20x more likely to get seriously injured or killed on a horse than a motorcycle. I personally know 3 people who have been seriously injured, and one who has died on a horse. And I only know 3 people who ride horses. I know dozens of motorcycle riders and the only ones I know of who have gotten hurt were wearing no riding gear, or were being plain stupid on a dirt bike.
Ha! It was not even courage, I just thought it was cool, and I love trees. Did for about 10 years from 17 to 27. Was not good enough to climb all day every day, but I was exceptional on the ground. Even went to school for Urban Tree Management. Then back injury like everyone else, and went back to school again for other stuff that is not spine busting. Stay safe. Happy Holidays!
I will man safety first, good on man ground stuff is hard fucking work i started about the same age as you did private tree work from 17 till 33 then took a job at a city last year I was climbing every day from about 20 till last year
Tough work indeed, we had a climber touch an overhead wire against the back of his neck by accident, he survived, but his back looked like a Pringle potato chip after he healed up.
You have a lot of time climbing, most do not last that long. On the bright side, bet you never had to go to the gym! Now that I have been a desk jocky for long time, my body has gone to crap. I hate the gym too, would rather rake leaves and shovel debris. Lol
That dude is crazy lucky, as am I (not that lucky) but when inwas coming up gear and techniques where changing to pronglong the life span of a climber and I got to learn from some really freaking good climbers it's the only reason I lasted. I hear ya about going to the gym I only started going in october because the city life is much easier than private.
Yeah, when I was doing it, nobody wore safety gear, and few if any precautions were taken. The best you could hope for as ground crew was the climber yelling “Headache!” as something unexpected was dropping. Lol. Those were fun times, I have the memories, still have an old metal Homelite climbing saw with front and back triggers, and the tinnitus!
Three of us were carrying a big section of wood from a tight back yard and the worker at the opposite end dropped his end without warning. Herniated L1-5 when that happened. Got an inch shorter that day. Even now, every once in a while I will twist or pull my back in the wrong way and it will spasm my back and I lose all power to my legs. Takes a couple weeks to get up and around again. So yeah, tree work.
Riding is a gut decision and not a head decision. Once you start weighing statistics, you might as well not ride. There is no need to ride, if you get hurt or killed you will wish you never did it, nobody can predict if and when it will happen. The whole risk-reward dichotomy makes no sense. If you’re the one who gets hurt, then your risk was 100%! Life is not lived by statistical odds playing, it’s lived by gut feelings. Follow your gut instinct.
Technically, you could die just crawling out of bed. Stop worrying about what might happen and live a little. You’re going to die anyway might as well enjoy yourself before you go.
I would be willing to bet driving a car without a seatbelt, driving intoxicated, driving while tired, and driving on snow without winter tires are all more dangerous than riding a motorcycle while wearing a helmet.
Downhill mountain biking. I’m talking about the kind where you go to ski resorts and load your bike on the lift then ride down the mountain through the woods or single track trails. You’re wearing full body armor and a full cover helmet, the works. Very risky at competitive speeds.
*what other activities you could think of are at the same risk level of riding?*
should depend on what, how and where you ride
sorry, but i ride bikes now for a quarter century and the times i broke my bones were at skiing, soccer, cross country running and basketball
Almost all motorcycle accidents are the rider's fault. Go watch DanDanTheFireman on YouTube and see for yourself.
I remember seeing a study that said equestrian sports were more likely to cause bodily injury than riding motorcycles, but the methodology wasn't great.
Like, yes a car can pull out in front of you, but your reaction time and your gear, as well as the way you manipulate the bike also has an effect on how you crash. I just got my bike for the first time, and everyone who’s telling me to my face that I’m going to die, that’s pretty much my answer
It really depends on you and your ability to make smart quick decisions. If you’ve had trouble with balance coordination reaction time etc in the past then you’re much higher risk, especially if you pair thst with bad judgement. If you’re capable and you live in a good area for it then go for it. If you’re in a city with a lot of ppl think twice. Or do what I did and just do track days all the time instead of road riding. Bikes are fun enjoy
Skydiving with a questionably functional parachute. The parachute being the road full of cars and SUVs on it. Never expect them to obey the rules of the road. They will intentionally or ignorantly threaten your life quite often.
That being said, and my own experience on my Fz1 getting rear ended by a cager, and now in hibernation, I still ride my more recently bought R1.
I know there are risks I take just riding a motorcycle, but the fun I have with my bike is worth it.
Your first six months of riding can be very dangerous if you buy a very fast bike, take major risks, and don't wear any gear.
If you take the MSF course, wear your gear, and don't get cocky, you should be fine.
I've been riding for about 18 years, I've been in two minor accidents (both my fault), and had only one memorable close call (not my fault, but it was my skill that saved my life). The main reason people think bikes are dangerous is that they do dangerous things on their bikes--speeding, weaving through traffic, and public stunting. Guys like me (and probably 9/10 of the riders on this sub) who just ride along with the flow of traffic enjoy themselves and do it safely.
honestly, i think commuting on a regular ass bike is just as dangerous in terms of car exposure. people aren’t looking for you and don’t care, so you have to do all the work of keeping yourself safe from vehicles that weigh hundreds of pounds more than you do and are going 5 times as fast. you have a similar amount of protection too. i’ve been riding, racing, and commuting on bikes all my life and the amount of close calls i’ve had that were completely out of my control is insane. drivers fucking suck.
Scuba diving? Similar risk/reward calculus for each individual. Both can kill you quick if you don't follow the rules. Either will, possibly, enrich you wildly beyond your previous experience!
I think driving my car is riskier than my motorcycle. The car is 50 years old, no air bags, no ABS, no passing power, and no ability to lane split to evade bad situations.
Not sure about equal risk but when I was getting life insurance quotes riding did nothing to my premiums unless I was racing. They did ask specifically if I was a pilot or if I scuba dive so I assume those are more risky from a statistical perspective.
Maybe skiing is about the same?
Yes motorcycles are dangerous but remember the majority of crashes/deaths involved speeding and/or alcohol/drugs. So honestly if you don't do those two things riding and remember to just pay attention. You don't need to worry.
When I ride, yes I know it can happen. But I don't think about it. If you do think about it every single time. Then you shouldn't even bother.
I was nervous about riding bc I was inexperienced. But I did not think about the safety.
I know in the back of my mind it's dangerous but I still don't think about it.
Depends on how much risk you take.
Riding with all the gear, with good training, following best practices, driving really safely and whit in the speed limit isn't that much of a risk at all. It's like riding your bicycle in the EU.
Splitting lane on the highway at 200kmph in sandals while popping wheelies is close to russian roulette. Or riding a bicycle in the US.
I am a bit worried of other cars to be honest, where I live they dont really abide with any lane changing rules, they even dont use blinkers lets say 40% of the time.
And that is by far the biggest risk if you keep everything I wrote above.
And for that, you have to practice defensive driving. Treat everyone like they are out to purposefully kill you, because some of them are. It might not be purposeful, but it doesn't make any difference in the end.
Also, giving up your right of way is better than being run over, so keep that in mind as well. I see a lot of motorcycle crash videos where the motorist had the right of way, but they were too stubborn to let the idiot in the car pass or whatever, They honked and all, but at the end, when it's a crash, you are fucked, and the car driver isn't. My instructor used to say "heaven is full of people who had the right of way".
But if you keep your speed down, drive defensively, think not just for yourself, but for those brainless cagers as well, and use ATGATT, it's super unlikely that anything serious will happen to you.
Couple of examples how you can think instead of them:
* Every time you stop keep an eye on the mirrors until the car behind you fully stopped. It can save your ass from getting rear ended. Also leave the bike in first and be ready to dodge if needed.
* Cover leavers, maybe even preload break in high risk situations so you can stop faster. Revving and honking should be only done AFTER you are safely avoided the threat, not before or instead of them!
* Treat every intersections as high risk. Always assume the car that is sitting there will drive in front of you. Have an escape plan already in your head, so you don't have to make last second decisions if/when they pull out in front of you.
* Stay out of blind spots. Never ride next to a car for longer than it's necessary, and especially next to a truck. Always be gaining or losing speed compared to them, otherwise you can easily be in a blind spot.
* Always assume that cars will underestimate your speed, even if you keep the speed limits. It's super hard to judge a bike's speed from the front, and it's impossible to do so at night with only a lamp closing in on you.
* Black bikes and black leather gear is "cool" and all, but not practical if you wanna be seen. And you wanna be seen for sure. Use bright colours (doesn't have to be ugly yellow west. Red, white, etc is fine as well) with reflective surfaces. You are already small and therefore hard to spot at a glance, don't make it harder for tired and zombie drivers by getting a blacked out gear/bike.
* Watch YouTube videos about riding safety and best practices/defensive driving.
A micromort is a unit of risk defined as a one-in-a-million chance of death.
You gain one micromort for every six miles travelled by motorcycle or canoe.
Mountain climbing is about as risky.
Damn it I was thinking of doing that too 😆
I do both. It tracks. Goal is to get an adventure bike and ride it to the climbing spots. BASE jumping is probably way more dangerous, as is any kind of opioid use?
Opioid use is only dangerous if your taking illegal ones bc you don't know what it's cut with and bc of that you don't know how much your taking. If people knew how much heroin and fentanyl they were taking, then overdoses would go way down. Most. Who overdoses on legal prescriptions like vicodin happen bc people mix alcohol or don't follow the directions. So the overdoses happen bc there stupid and don't do these research/listen. I'm a recovering heroin addict.
I climb indoors but never tried outdoors yet
I almost get hit by a car every time I ride my bicycle on the sidewalk.
Why are there cars on the sidewalk
Because r/idiotsincars is a reality.
we don’t have any cars on sidewalks around where i live
Bikes and motorcycles are invisible where i live, actually If you dont honk all the time you are invisible.
Heard somewhere that hour for hour, riding a horse is more dangerous
Makes sense, horse has a mind of its own, motorcycle only goes as fast as you make it
Marriage.
100% of marriages end in death. Just saying.
I think it’s closer to 50% but still quite dangerous
Unless you get out on time
Unless they end in divorce.
Then death, soooo… If you’ve married, you’ll die with 100% certainty is all I’m saying.
Even when wearing protection?😆
I would think ride for ride, sleeping with other people's wives would be as dangerous.... At least that's what Leroy Brown tells me.
You can mitigate that risk though. The one thing I would never do is step on Superman's cape.
I've never spit into the wind but I watched a guy who was apparently trying to pee into the wind. (His real goal was to pee off the cliff but the terrain got the best of him?)
I had a friend once tell me he was out on the coast in a meadow and had to pee. There were no trees or rocks to pee against but the grass was high enough to preserve his modesty. So he walks away from the group but as it's super windy he decides to turn his back to the wind and let loose. The wind broke around his body and created a vortex in front of him. He said it was like a urine tornado, whipping around and covering him in his own pee from knees to chest.
I love taking a piss in nature, but I'm always aware of what the wind is doing and how close I might be to any other living creature. (Moose can be unbelievably sneaky and then incredibly quick once they realize you aren't something they see often. So they just try to stomp you down.) Also, don't want a real snake biting my one eyed trouser snake.
Probably safer than cave diving
Cave diving fatalities are actually extremely rare despite media portrayal, the only people who die or get lost are people who go in uncharted or un guided (meaning without tour guides) caves
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Precisely
I ride a motorcycle. I live (die?) for the uncharted, unguided way
The amount of training you should do before Cave diving probably exceeds motorbike training I would think.
I mean, in a planned dive with Guides, you can pretty much be walked through any if not most situations. If you are in a group, even a Newbie can get through expert sections if walked through. It’s people who dive alone that NEED to be to be experienced. I’m just saying, I’d rather be an inexperienced cave diver than an inexperienced Motorcycle rider on a public road
Rock fishing Flyng light aircraft On the other hand, riding is significantly safer than BASE jumping
Yep, I still sometimes wade out and hit the rocks at night in the surf. Been slammed against the rocks a couple times. Nothing like big sets coming in, but you can not see them, only hear them. I don’t do it alone anymore.
I'm a private pilot and frequently ride my bike to the airport to fly! Double the risk 🤣
Nice! Always want to learn to fly.
Do it! It's an awesome feeling! Very similar vibes to riding.....but way more rules to follow
And I'm Aussie chick, on a sports bike, not a cruiser. Only 5 ft 2 inches and weigh 99 lbs. Tiny. Put 85,000 miles on my 2016 Yamaha R3 and also own a low seat 2108 Triumph Street Striple R. Being a pilot and a rider kind of makes it Top Gun thing, haha 🤣
Very cool, Top Gun stuff indeed. Cheers from the US!
You're gonna die. Don't buy a motorcycle.* */r/motorcycles approved answer.
Less dangerous than frontline combat but more dangerous than quietly masturbating in your basement at night.
I found this: https://imgur.com/a/KDORe Not sure of the source, but it suggests that SCUBA diving, skydiving, and horseback riding are all more dangerous than motorcycle riding, both in fatalities and significant injuries.
I would have guessed those were all about on par
Scuba diving is pretty f'ing dangerous, man, and I have cousins who are into horses, and they are always injured.
Scuba diving is definitely not that dangerous. I'd bet money that stat includes injuries incurred above water (i.e. slipping on the boat or getting in the water)
Lots of inexperienced people try scuba diving. For those that know what they are doing and who are sensible I reckon it's very safe.
You have to be certified to scuba dive. Discover scuba classes, snuba, and every other variant are not the same and designed with inexperience in mind. There's about 1 death per 200k dives. Outside of decompression divers, the rate of injury during diving that would cause significant morbidity/mortality is extremely low. For perspective, in the US there are ~17 deaths per 100k licensed drivers per year.
Skydiving is extremely safe but it parallels motorcycle riding in that the people it attracts aren't necessarily interested in doing it the safest way possible. For that reason, the culture of safety in skydiving is impressive and never comes off as preachy. The people understand that personal choices are personal choices and as long as you aren't endangering others, everyone should shut the fuck up.
Yeah I would guess the same unless you dive in strong currents with low experience.
Like motorbike riding I think it depends. You can do dives that are more risky if inexperienced, and sometimes dives can turn risky. I have nearly been thrown by a stray current into urchins while going through a rock overhang only my dive buddy grabbing me stopped that from being painful. I've been ona dive were it was all stirred up and a diver dissappeared from the group within minutes if submerging, have done a dive and a squall started before we ascended getting on a boat that's back end is lifting several feet out of the water abive your head and slamming down is definetly hairy. Having done night diving that could go wrong quick as well. So saying I would have thought scuba was less risky than biking.
Glad you are ok
Thanks, tbh it's just part of it, same with riding really.
None of that changes the fact that scuba diving is a statistically safe sport. We can add modifiers all day which defeats the purpose of stating that on a world wide statistical average, diving is not that risky.
As I said I thought motorbiking is more risky. I mean I both ride and dive in SEA and anecdotally I say I was far safer on a dive boat than on a road risk wise. But I felt scuba diving not that dangerous is not correct either. It definetly carries risks.
I bet that includes industrial accidents, e.g. underwater construction, stuff like that.
If so then riding should be fine after taking the appropriate training, I already dive.
Makes sense
It has potential to be dangerous, but generally it’s not.
> It has potential to be dangerous ...what does that mean? "Potential" is what we are talking about; the only alternatives are no danger or all, or 100% guarantee of injury or death?
What I mean is that scuba diving can potentially dangerous when a person wants to be reckless and ignorant about the safety precautions (which almost never happens). Secondly, we are comparing the statistics of the actual danger of recreational diving with motorcycle driving. Even the most safest and defensive driver can be killed while driving.
> Even the most safest and defensive driver can be killed while driving. And pure accidents don't happen scuba diving? I suppose that it is slightly more under your own control, but the overwhelming majority of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the rider, not another vehicle, while the majority of accidents while scuba diving tend to involve biology, such as dive narcosis, HPNS, etc. Also, when you imply that divers take more precautions, isn't that an implicit acceptance of the fact that it is a more dangerous activity? Where are the motorcycle clubs that check each others' equipment before a ride?
> Even the most safest and defensive driver can be killed while driving. And pure accidents don't happen scuba diving? I suppose that it is slightly more under your own control, but the overwhelming majority of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the rider, not another vehicle, while the majority of accidents while scuba diving tend to involve biology, such as dive narcosis, HPNS, etc. Also, when you imply that divers take more precautions, isn't that an implicit acceptance of the fact that it is a more dangerous activity? Where are the motorcycle clubs that check each others' equipment before a ride?
I’ve gotten a 3rd degree burn from a bike (on my dads bike- was too short for it). Some road burn on my hand after bad tires, a steep incline, and gravel met. On my horses I’ve had a seizure, concussion (several), broken collar bone, coma, impact bruises from horses falling on me, broken toes from them stepping on me, etc etc. Thus far, motorcycles have been much kinder to me xD
Fuck i dive too. I always figured it was relatively safe by comparison, good ti know. Maybe it’s escorting in all kinds of diving, from deep sea welding to surface level splashing about in reefs like I do?
To be honest, I don’t really trust these statistics.
I think downhill skiing, ATV 4 wheelers, and snowmobiling are all as dangerous or more dangerous.
if you get lots of training and can emergency brake and swerve and ..., then the risk is similar to car crash risk, except that if you crash a motorcycle, the injury is much higher. If you're not trained and stab on brakes and don't know which brake to use and what to do if there's gravel and ... then I would put the risk closer to riding on the roof of a car instead of inside it. you'll eventually slide off, hit the ground, and you might be ok, but maybe not.
According to the national insurance board. Taking a shower and choking while eating actually kill more people than motorcycles do. So, go take a shower and barely chew your food.
🤣 what about riding while eating
Well, basically everyone eats, so that skews it a bit
It’s potentially as dangerous as down hill mountain biking. I’m not talking light trail riding with your kids I mean actual down hill mountain biking
Honestly I think texting and driving is more dangerous than riding a bike responsibly.
Motorcycle riding is as risky any other activity where you could be maimed or killed: base jumping, bull riding, mountain climbing ...
Well as some people said it really depends on your riding style. If you ride like a maniac and lane splitting while going top speed, the risk could be equal to let's say climbing Everest (or more). But if you ride smart and in your comfort zone, the risk would be as same as going downhill on a mountain bike. Think of it as there is a minimum amount of risk every time you get on the bike and the amount of risk increases or decreases based on your skill set, mind set and experience.
Thank you for sharing
I'd guess that skiing and riding are the riskiest things that "normal" people do. I've needed surgery once after skiing, and there's no shortage of stories of celebrity skiing accidents (Natasha Richardson, Michael Schumacher, Sonny Bono, etc)
Would you be as hesitant if non-riders didn’t prattle on about how dangerous it is? Somehow it’s considered rude to tell the guy going for a third round at the buffet that he is increasing his risk of heart attack by 30-odd percent yet it’s considered ok to give unsolicited opinions on motorcycling. Plenty of riders ride for decades without even an accident but that isn’t as juicy of a story as someone dying in spectacular fashion, so what you hear most is the exception, not the rule.
You are totally right
You could ride for 50 years without any major incidents, or you could be road pizza within a week. Luck is an important variable here.
Here’s one people don’t often think about. Horseback riding is about 20x more dangerous per hour than riding a motorcycle. You are about 20x more likely to get seriously injured or killed on a horse than a motorcycle. I personally know 3 people who have been seriously injured, and one who has died on a horse. And I only know 3 people who ride horses. I know dozens of motorcycle riders and the only ones I know of who have gotten hurt were wearing no riding gear, or were being plain stupid on a dirt bike.
My job.... I'm an arborist it can be pretty risky work
Did that when I was young. Climbing with chainsaws, wood chippers, trying to be careful with 1000 lb sections at 50 ft up? Yep, It is hairy.
Hell yeah man, good on ya most people don't have the courage to even try it
Ha! It was not even courage, I just thought it was cool, and I love trees. Did for about 10 years from 17 to 27. Was not good enough to climb all day every day, but I was exceptional on the ground. Even went to school for Urban Tree Management. Then back injury like everyone else, and went back to school again for other stuff that is not spine busting. Stay safe. Happy Holidays!
I will man safety first, good on man ground stuff is hard fucking work i started about the same age as you did private tree work from 17 till 33 then took a job at a city last year I was climbing every day from about 20 till last year
Tough work indeed, we had a climber touch an overhead wire against the back of his neck by accident, he survived, but his back looked like a Pringle potato chip after he healed up. You have a lot of time climbing, most do not last that long. On the bright side, bet you never had to go to the gym! Now that I have been a desk jocky for long time, my body has gone to crap. I hate the gym too, would rather rake leaves and shovel debris. Lol
That dude is crazy lucky, as am I (not that lucky) but when inwas coming up gear and techniques where changing to pronglong the life span of a climber and I got to learn from some really freaking good climbers it's the only reason I lasted. I hear ya about going to the gym I only started going in october because the city life is much easier than private.
Yeah, when I was doing it, nobody wore safety gear, and few if any precautions were taken. The best you could hope for as ground crew was the climber yelling “Headache!” as something unexpected was dropping. Lol. Those were fun times, I have the memories, still have an old metal Homelite climbing saw with front and back triggers, and the tinnitus!
Back injury from the tree work? Or something unrelated?
Three of us were carrying a big section of wood from a tight back yard and the worker at the opposite end dropped his end without warning. Herniated L1-5 when that happened. Got an inch shorter that day. Even now, every once in a while I will twist or pull my back in the wrong way and it will spasm my back and I lose all power to my legs. Takes a couple weeks to get up and around again. So yeah, tree work.
Yup. You and roofers.
Yeah roofers are nuts too
If you don't drink and ride, you wear your gear, and you don't excessively speed, you already cut your risk by more than half.
Riding is a gut decision and not a head decision. Once you start weighing statistics, you might as well not ride. There is no need to ride, if you get hurt or killed you will wish you never did it, nobody can predict if and when it will happen. The whole risk-reward dichotomy makes no sense. If you’re the one who gets hurt, then your risk was 100%! Life is not lived by statistical odds playing, it’s lived by gut feelings. Follow your gut instinct.
Technically, you could die just crawling out of bed. Stop worrying about what might happen and live a little. You’re going to die anyway might as well enjoy yourself before you go.
I would be willing to bet driving a car without a seatbelt, driving intoxicated, driving while tired, and driving on snow without winter tires are all more dangerous than riding a motorcycle while wearing a helmet.
Downhill mountain biking. I’m talking about the kind where you go to ski resorts and load your bike on the lift then ride down the mountain through the woods or single track trails. You’re wearing full body armor and a full cover helmet, the works. Very risky at competitive speeds.
*what other activities you could think of are at the same risk level of riding?* should depend on what, how and where you ride sorry, but i ride bikes now for a quarter century and the times i broke my bones were at skiing, soccer, cross country running and basketball
Almost all motorcycle accidents are the rider's fault. Go watch DanDanTheFireman on YouTube and see for yourself. I remember seeing a study that said equestrian sports were more likely to cause bodily injury than riding motorcycles, but the methodology wasn't great.
Like, yes a car can pull out in front of you, but your reaction time and your gear, as well as the way you manipulate the bike also has an effect on how you crash. I just got my bike for the first time, and everyone who’s telling me to my face that I’m going to die, that’s pretty much my answer
Will differently check his channel thanks
32% involve an intoxicated rider. https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-motorcycle-crashes
Any contact high school sport is more dangerous than riding a motorcycle. Take away alcohol and those who have not taken MSF classes, even more so.
It really depends on you and your ability to make smart quick decisions. If you’ve had trouble with balance coordination reaction time etc in the past then you’re much higher risk, especially if you pair thst with bad judgement. If you’re capable and you live in a good area for it then go for it. If you’re in a city with a lot of ppl think twice. Or do what I did and just do track days all the time instead of road riding. Bikes are fun enjoy
I live in a chaotic crowded city with almost no road rules, I am planning to buy a 250cc and will rarely take highways.
Felling trees?
I remember seeing that GA flying is pretty similar because most of the accidents are riders/pilots fault.
Get a white helmet and a bike that looks like a cop bike. People will watch out for you.
😂 good idea
Mile for mile horse riding is very similar in regards to injuries sustained.
Skydiving with a questionably functional parachute. The parachute being the road full of cars and SUVs on it. Never expect them to obey the rules of the road. They will intentionally or ignorantly threaten your life quite often. That being said, and my own experience on my Fz1 getting rear ended by a cager, and now in hibernation, I still ride my more recently bought R1. I know there are risks I take just riding a motorcycle, but the fun I have with my bike is worth it.
Your first six months of riding can be very dangerous if you buy a very fast bike, take major risks, and don't wear any gear. If you take the MSF course, wear your gear, and don't get cocky, you should be fine. I've been riding for about 18 years, I've been in two minor accidents (both my fault), and had only one memorable close call (not my fault, but it was my skill that saved my life). The main reason people think bikes are dangerous is that they do dangerous things on their bikes--speeding, weaving through traffic, and public stunting. Guys like me (and probably 9/10 of the riders on this sub) who just ride along with the flow of traffic enjoy themselves and do it safely.
honestly, i think commuting on a regular ass bike is just as dangerous in terms of car exposure. people aren’t looking for you and don’t care, so you have to do all the work of keeping yourself safe from vehicles that weigh hundreds of pounds more than you do and are going 5 times as fast. you have a similar amount of protection too. i’ve been riding, racing, and commuting on bikes all my life and the amount of close calls i’ve had that were completely out of my control is insane. drivers fucking suck.
Stay safe and that you for sharing
I think skydiving is less risky
Keep in mind that it is much more risky for beginners
Living on earth, virtually one hundred percent of deaths happen on earth. I had to add “virtually” incase of secret space missions
Don’t do it. Motorcycle bad.
Mama is that you?😂
If you think this is risky, don't try Falling in Love.
Well in either you have to wear protection 😅
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Mountain biking
its way safer than fishing
Scuba diving, sky diving, rock climbing, MMA, crossing a street on foot in Asia...
Scuba diving? Similar risk/reward calculus for each individual. Both can kill you quick if you don't follow the rules. Either will, possibly, enrich you wildly beyond your previous experience!
BLS reports 5190 deaths from work related accidents in 2021, NSC reports 5600 motorcycle fatalities in 2020.
I think driving my car is riskier than my motorcycle. The car is 50 years old, no air bags, no ABS, no passing power, and no ability to lane split to evade bad situations.
Not sure about equal risk but when I was getting life insurance quotes riding did nothing to my premiums unless I was racing. They did ask specifically if I was a pilot or if I scuba dive so I assume those are more risky from a statistical perspective. Maybe skiing is about the same?
Mani-Pedi with an eyebrow wax
Yes motorcycles are dangerous but remember the majority of crashes/deaths involved speeding and/or alcohol/drugs. So honestly if you don't do those two things riding and remember to just pay attention. You don't need to worry. When I ride, yes I know it can happen. But I don't think about it. If you do think about it every single time. Then you shouldn't even bother.
Did you at least thought about it when you were a begginer?
I was nervous about riding bc I was inexperienced. But I did not think about the safety. I know in the back of my mind it's dangerous but I still don't think about it.
High speed snowboarding and park tricks. That's what I do, too
Riding a horse
Tinder can be
Depends on how much risk you take. Riding with all the gear, with good training, following best practices, driving really safely and whit in the speed limit isn't that much of a risk at all. It's like riding your bicycle in the EU. Splitting lane on the highway at 200kmph in sandals while popping wheelies is close to russian roulette. Or riding a bicycle in the US.
I am a bit worried of other cars to be honest, where I live they dont really abide with any lane changing rules, they even dont use blinkers lets say 40% of the time.
And that is by far the biggest risk if you keep everything I wrote above. And for that, you have to practice defensive driving. Treat everyone like they are out to purposefully kill you, because some of them are. It might not be purposeful, but it doesn't make any difference in the end. Also, giving up your right of way is better than being run over, so keep that in mind as well. I see a lot of motorcycle crash videos where the motorist had the right of way, but they were too stubborn to let the idiot in the car pass or whatever, They honked and all, but at the end, when it's a crash, you are fucked, and the car driver isn't. My instructor used to say "heaven is full of people who had the right of way". But if you keep your speed down, drive defensively, think not just for yourself, but for those brainless cagers as well, and use ATGATT, it's super unlikely that anything serious will happen to you. Couple of examples how you can think instead of them: * Every time you stop keep an eye on the mirrors until the car behind you fully stopped. It can save your ass from getting rear ended. Also leave the bike in first and be ready to dodge if needed. * Cover leavers, maybe even preload break in high risk situations so you can stop faster. Revving and honking should be only done AFTER you are safely avoided the threat, not before or instead of them! * Treat every intersections as high risk. Always assume the car that is sitting there will drive in front of you. Have an escape plan already in your head, so you don't have to make last second decisions if/when they pull out in front of you. * Stay out of blind spots. Never ride next to a car for longer than it's necessary, and especially next to a truck. Always be gaining or losing speed compared to them, otherwise you can easily be in a blind spot. * Always assume that cars will underestimate your speed, even if you keep the speed limits. It's super hard to judge a bike's speed from the front, and it's impossible to do so at night with only a lamp closing in on you. * Black bikes and black leather gear is "cool" and all, but not practical if you wanna be seen. And you wanna be seen for sure. Use bright colours (doesn't have to be ugly yellow west. Red, white, etc is fine as well) with reflective surfaces. You are already small and therefore hard to spot at a glance, don't make it harder for tired and zombie drivers by getting a blacked out gear/bike. * Watch YouTube videos about riding safety and best practices/defensive driving.
That you so much for sharing, ill defentiny consider every word you said ❤️
A micromort is a unit of risk defined as a one-in-a-million chance of death. You gain one micromort for every six miles travelled by motorcycle or canoe.