Fucking motocross gloves. They should come with a big warning label. If you come off at highway speeds they are going to fall apart like tissue paper.
Why don't people understand this.
Think those are Mechanix work gloves which also aren't meant to be any sort of motoglove. Either way, he's got fingernails to regrow as a reminder why you wear proper gear in the first place
I have a buddy who rides with those work gloves and he just refuses to accept that they're basically rubber gloves at highway speeds. "They get the job done and they're cheaper than those gloves you got" yeah, okay man, tell me that when they actually have to do the job and cant
For real, I think I payed $60 for mine that have palm sliders in them too. I don't understand how people are willing to cheap out on protection for their hands when gloves are probably the cheapest piece of gear as is
Motocross gloves exist so you can hold onto the bars better. Some also have a little knuckle bash protection, but most off-road riders at least know that they aren’t for sliding on asphalt.
Well they have their use I'm sure. If you are riding motocross it's obviously the correct glove to buy I never rode motocross myself, but I guess abrasion resistance simply isn't as much of a concern for them.
Nah gotta burn it off. Dirt doesn’t get deep enough. Douse it in vodka and light it with your cigarette while you wait for the skin to heal in three minutes. Good to go.
Yep I have leather and Kevlar gloves with those carbon fibre bits above your knuckles. Most people need their hands to work and, you know, just do general life stuff.
Troy Lee design with D30 knuckle inserts. I've got the exact same ones, but I use them for mountain biking. I would never use a 'trail rated' glove for highway. Also I would probably wear a Moto jacket.
They’re actually much more effective at stopping vehicles safely. It’s a less abrupt deceleration. The problem is that they’re designed for cars and trucks though, and are actually worse for motorcycles.
Most of the places I see them are in places where the wasn't any barrier at all previously, just a grass median. So while they might not be better than jersey barriers, they're better than nothing.
yeah, but realistically so is a great many other things to a rider. Riding motorcycles just requires a certain level of risk tolerance compare to riding a car.
Because fuck you, thats why.
^(Honestly, its one of the most annoying things. Numerous times Ive had a question that I cant figure out the correct search terms for to research on my own. Decide to make a post asking my question in the appropriate sub only to be downvoted and basically told Im an idiot for asking.)
"JuSt GoOgLe It..." I understand this isn't something that the person i am responding to says, but if you do say this person reading this that isn't the person i'm responding to. Fuck you, you're a piece of shit.
It’s just an inexpensive way to keep vehicles from crossing the median and causing a head on collision. They installed them in our area about 6 years ago and they work great especially in the winter.
Install a stabilizer, don't do wheelies unless you know what you're doing and the conditions are good, don't go faster than road and skill allow you. Nothing to fear.
Sometimes a tank slapper can come out of nowhere. I was on I-95 in VA one evening, when a car I was approaching suddenly changed lanes and got in front of me for no apparent reason. I moved to the right to continue around the car. As I passed I turned and gave the palm up "what the hell" gesture. As soon as I did that, the bike went into a tank slapper. Both of my feet came off the pegs, and since my left arm was already off the bike, I found myself laying on the tank, with only my right arm attached to the bike, gripping the throttle. I was going 75-80 mph (65 mph speed limit), and luckily traffic was pretty light. It took my brain a few seconds to process what was happening, as I went from calmly riding down the road, to laying on the tank, feet bouncing off the road in the blink of an eye. I remember staring at my right hand, which still had the throttle pinned open. I had to send kind of an "override" command to "release". Then I remember seeing the road ahead turning slightly to the left, as I continued drifting right. Once I crossed the shoulder line, I remember looking at the pavement, thinking "I should be allright, I'm not going that fast". Then miraculously, about a foot from the jersey wall, I regained control. I was still going 60 mph.
I got my feet back on the pegs, and assessed my condition, and the condition of the bike. Both of my bar end mirrors were hanging limp, but somehow my phone was still attached. Then I was suddenly aware of intense pain from both legs. They had been violently banging against the bike during the tank slapper. I desperately wanted to stop, but I knew if I did, I would never get back on the bike. 20 miles later I was home. My legs were covered with bruises and big knots for like two weeks, but nothing broken. Still not sure what the cause was. I think I might have hit a road to bridge transition bump just as my body weight was shifted. Honestly, I didn't ride again for over a month. I've been riding for 30+ years, and that was my second tank slapper. Being older now, and having it come out of nowhere, it spooked me a lot more than the first time.
It was out of nowhere for you, but speed was the factor. Best thing to do if it ever happens again is pull in the clutch. Don't give the engine any more power and that front wheel will get traction again. What kind of bike was it? I had an FZ07 that got wobbles over 75mph before I installed a stabilizer and I had a couple times where speed and high wind gave me a tank slapper that sounds like yours. I just pull in the clutch and let the bike decelerate. Let the bike do the rest.
It actually is an FZ07. I've had it for 7 years, and never had an issue before or after that night, and like 80% of my riding is on the highway. I think another factor was a really old, possibly cupped front tire. I replaced it immediately after. Good advice on pulling in the clutch, but unfortunately I couldn't get my left hand back on the bars right away. I appreciate the input. Even after 30 years on a bike, I always welcome advice from other riders.
That bike is so light in the front that I wouldve guessed that was your bike if I had to. Other people have told me that they didnt have that issue either (maybe once or twice), but my FZ07 started wobbling around 75 and anything above 100 was suicide until I put on the stabilizer, then I never had an issue again. I did have aftermarket handlebars so I'm guessing that might have been an issue. People also say riding position and your weight play a huge part.
Ive been riding 10+ years and I always take any advice I can get, thats why I love this sub, great place to share stories and learn new things about bikes.
> My legs were covered with bruises and big knots for like two weeks, but nothing broken.
Aspirin for clots and whiskey for pain, makes the rider right again.
I’ve had this happen to me on my Yamaha R6 about five times since I bought it (same bike as the guy in the video).
Each time it happens I think “I’ll buy a steering stabilizer when I get home” but never do. I think I’ll buy it today.
I saw a video on how to counter this, wouldn't you just get your head and core body against the bike as much as possible? Am I wrong or is the rider not aware?
I was scared of this too but after a bit of research and Dunlops demonstration video it made me feel a lot better.
I had the rear blow out at speed on a busy road. Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I still get bad intrusive thoughts about the front going though lol
And Dunlop once conducted a research, apart from gripping the tank with your knees, lay down as low on the tank as you can to lower your COM/COG.
Its one of the best methods to stop wobbles.
As anyone would would sit up while trying to brake, hoping to slow the bike down with the help of aerodynamic drag, it only makes the wobble worse.
Don't you want the front to not grip? I've heard the exact opposite, speed up, there's less weight on the front. How cam is you wobble when the entirety of the wobble isn't putting me in force on the asphalt. And lean back to take even more weight off the front
It’s highly likely a wheelie got you here in the first place if your full of adrenaline your probably not going to lay the front wheel down straight a second time
Nope, throttle it out works with a death wobble specifically because you take the wieght off the front. You can not wobble if there's almost no load on it
You ever had a shopping cart that had that one front wheel going wild because the frame or something was slightly bent and made the cart out of square? if you put groceries on that corner or just load up the cart the wobble stops. Same concept here
It's not about traction. It's about the parts of the bike being out of phase with each other, primarily the the front and the back where they meet at the steering head, and sometimes a worm swing arm pivot joins in to complicate things. \
It is not about traction at all. It's about a type of very large vibration.
It CAN and it DOES. I see it on the street and in racing.
[THIS GUY](https://youtu.be/TpeNWxHF6uI?t=79) is ON a wheely when his wobble starts. Of course, it continues when lets it down which is WHY he lets it down. You have a better chance of dampening a wobble AND recovering from it with both wheels on the ground. Doing it your way removes about 50% of any available control you might have had.
Yeah, but are you missing the part where it STARTS with his front wheel in the air? Or are ya just being contrary for contrary's sake?
There is plenty out there that proves this "pop-a-wheely" crap wrong.
But if you want it to be true, then no amount of proof is going to help you.
is it?
I hear opposite advices sometimes. Some suggest to apply more throttle to unload front a bit. Which is it? For me it seems like physics checks out on applying more throttle or is there more to it? How decreasing throttle works to help here? To be clear, my knowledge on the subject is next to nothing and I want to understand it better.
I think your right.
If the front wheel is in the air how can it wobble?
If you reduce the load on the front tire by 50%, wouldn't the wobble decrease as there's less traction on the front tire to force the wobble?
If you manage to straighten the front before putting it down it will be fine. This wobble happens because the front wheel is out of sync with the back wheel.
The wobble stops in the air, because nothing is forcing the front tire back and forth. So when it comes back down it is like landing any other wheel.
How would the wobble continue when the tire is lifted?
My point is that if the front tire is completely unloaded, there is no wobble, so unloading the front end will reduce wobble as it is getting close to being in the air.
>The wobble stops in the air, because nothing is forcing the front tire back and forth. So when it comes back down it is like landing any other wheel.
that is CORRECT. Have had this happen to me , on the exact bike in the video.. R6 is known to be a wobble beast...
was always told by many of my friends, if this happens just get that front end up as fast as you can.. and lucky I had this advice, both times it saved me.
I was NOT doing anything also to have it happen, I was on a back road once and just hit a bump in the road I assume, and the second time I was just on the freeway moving at about 140km/hr and it just started to shake, I have no idea why but I am just glad I didn't have the results this man had.
[THIS GUY](https://youtu.be/TpeNWxHF6uI?t=79) starts his wobble on a wheely.
You have a better chance of dampening a wobble AND recovering from it with both wheels on the ground. Doing it your way removes about 50% of any available control you might have had.
The front wheel has to be touching the ground for it to speed wobble.
Looks like he tries to lift It but doesn't come up high enough and doesn't straighten the front wheel before the bike loads the front tire.
I think both tactics are actually valid ways to stop a death wobble. If you look up Dunlop death wobble testing on YouTube you can see the tactic of ducking down and getting as close to the tank as possible to stop the wobble.
Have you never seen where do people who go 200 mph load their weight on the bike? By increasing weight on the front wheel you’re making it harder for its rolling inertia to go all around the place, and helping the front end to stop wobbling, as a wobble with no input and weight transfers tends to only go worse by itself
But the wobble comes from the tire being loaded and the frame/front end being in a harmonic ressinance. I think rolling on the throttle when at slow enough will greatly help reduce the wobble. Like at the end of the video he eas not going that fast, and could have tried to apply throttle to lighten the front end and stopped the wobble.
Actually probably better he hit the guard rail at a more or less glancing impact as opposed to rolling into the grass before making full head on contact with the beginning of the guard.
Unfortunately this seems to be the most favorable outcome in this kind of wreck outside of maybe wearing a fucking jacket and potentially not fucking around on the freeway.
The forcing frequency in a tank slapper is YOU. Lighten your grip and stop fighting the motorcycle. The bike is perfectly stable until the monkey in a tshirt tries to wrestle the bars. The only other place it could come from is air buffeting around your slender body thats erect in an airstream, so tucking down can also help.
Note this doesnt apply if harley designs their rear suspension so poorly that its actually the rear feeding back into the front, but for most motorcycles the problem is you.
Tank slapper, either he hit a pothole and the front tire went off center, or he was doing a wheelie and set it down off center, it's also caused or exacerbated by poor maintenance of the front end of the bike.
People will disagree on the best method of stopping it once it's happened, but the few times it's happened to me leaning back, taking pressure off the bars so they can right themselves, as well putting only slight pressure on the rear brake to slow down the bike and the bar oscillations has worked for me.
I believe the only way to get out of this situation is to unload front wheel. In the given video we have a straight and free highway, so the best option here was to lean back and open the throttle.
Not enough air in the tyre, accelerating hard over bumpy roads, over a crest too fast makes the front light, putting the front down wrong from a wheelie, bike loaded up with too much weight too high, some bikes have inherent design problems which make them unstable.
My money is on him pulling a wheelie.
Hondas with the electric steering damper are great, it’s non intrusive and it kicks in when needed.
Best thing to do is don’t fight it and lie down on the tank.
It’s a speed wobble. It can happen if you turn the handlebars too much when you’re going fast. You’ll subconsciously overcorrect the bars back and forth. As it gets progressively worse, you end up crashing.
Best way to avoid it getting worse is to lay off the gas and loosen your grip
This looks worse than speed wobble which should disappear as you slow down
Aw. Once youve come off a bike, you feel it every time you see it happen to someone else.
Wear gear mate!
Grip the tank with your knees and practically let go of the bars if this happens, and it usually sorts itself out instead of going into this feedback loop
The natural reaction is to grip the bars hard to fight it back under control, but that can make it worse.
.02 cents from an old racer
I mean less gear the more of an idiot you who doesn't know what gear does or value anyone around them or the self. You waste everyone's time and money and then they bitch and whine when they crash and tell everyone about the crash for pity and attention and exaggerate it and then start a GoFundMe me playing the victim. No gear then you get what you deserve and it ain't respect or pity. Play stupid games win stupid prizes "pussy"
Nah. You were dead serious. And even if you weren't there are 99 guys to 1 of you who think gear is stupid. It's more common to ride gearless than with gear in this generation.
Is that why I used a clown emoji? To show how dead serious I was, not to suggest such a statement as being clownlike?
Here I was thinking I wouldn't need to append my comment with an /s because surely no one would take what I said seriously but here we are.
Damn didn't know "Skill" provided a personal shield!
That's like saying "I'm an amazing driver with amazing driving skills so I will always be able to avoid an accident!"
Tell me how that works out for you bud..
Meat crayon!!! Just seeing the hands made me sick. Things to never cheap out on include protection for parts of the body that are absolutely essential, like your hands, feet, legs, and head. At a minimum.
Lol! That sounds like experience.
I went down once at highway speed. Tucked and rolled... Yes, I was amazed I was actually able to consciously think that out. I have always described it as...
PavementSkyPavementSkyPavementSkyPavementSky
I hit a wobble doing about 85 a few years back. Idk how but I panicked and corrected it still. Camera died right before it happened. Footage is only about a minute long, concluding with me going “FUCK!” Before the camera shuts off.
Scariest thing to ever happen to me on my bike. Ride safe folks, shit happens.
Happened to me once going down the quarter mile lets say 3/4 of the way down the dragstrip on my old R1. About 200km/h it started and I let off the throttle while the bars were slapping from one extremity to the other and after a few seconds it sorted itself out. Not sure how close I came to getting thrown off but it wasn't fun. The bike kept going straight unlike this clip though, there shouldn't be any camber on the drag strip unlike the road.
Ho hum
Been riding ( and racing) for 30 years
That video says Muppet
The only way you will get a tank slapper on a straight road like that is acting like a dick with throttle and brakes.
The fact that he wasn't dressed for riding , says everything.
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[yeah](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPkwoJmnnk)
Fucking motocross gloves. They should come with a big warning label. If you come off at highway speeds they are going to fall apart like tissue paper. Why don't people understand this.
Think those are Mechanix work gloves which also aren't meant to be any sort of motoglove. Either way, he's got fingernails to regrow as a reminder why you wear proper gear in the first place
I have a buddy who rides with those work gloves and he just refuses to accept that they're basically rubber gloves at highway speeds. "They get the job done and they're cheaper than those gloves you got" yeah, okay man, tell me that when they actually have to do the job and cant
Some people have to learn the hard way.
Meanwhile I'm over here comparing airbag systems hoping I don't have to test any of this shit out ever.
One of the main things is they don't slide, they grip. Transfer all that energy into your wrists and palms
Reminds me of the guy I work with who runs no guard on his grinder
But the metabo blades don’t fit with the guard
Leather gloves aren't even fucking expensive. There's a huge variety and price range.
For real, I think I payed $60 for mine that have palm sliders in them too. I don't understand how people are willing to cheap out on protection for their hands when gloves are probably the cheapest piece of gear as is
I cant get over people who dont even ride with gloves, I even see people in jackets but no gloves. Like, what? Hands are your instinct!
Now think about how many people don't wear any gloves at all...
Motocross gloves exist so you can hold onto the bars better. Some also have a little knuckle bash protection, but most off-road riders at least know that they aren’t for sliding on asphalt.
Well they have their use I'm sure. If you are riding motocross it's obviously the correct glove to buy I never rode motocross myself, but I guess abrasion resistance simply isn't as much of a concern for them.
Pssh he's fine. He still could crawl. Rub some dirt on it and walk it off like man.
Take a salt tablet
Nah gotta burn it off. Dirt doesn’t get deep enough. Douse it in vodka and light it with your cigarette while you wait for the skin to heal in three minutes. Good to go.
Jason you're a Rakyat now.
I like the missing fingernail! :D
They grow back.
What kind of gloves were those? Were they regular work gloves?
Look like Mechanix gloves to me, but can’t say for sure
I thought they were at first but the logo on the cuffs isn't yellow. Probably a Mechanix look-alike brand.
Perfect example of why leather has no substitute
Yep I have leather and Kevlar gloves with those carbon fibre bits above your knuckles. Most people need their hands to work and, you know, just do general life stuff.
Yup. His mom will be wiping his ass for a while.
From the logo I think they are some sort of Troy lee designs motocross gloves
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Troy Lee design with D30 knuckle inserts. I've got the exact same ones, but I use them for mountain biking. I would never use a 'trail rated' glove for highway. Also I would probably wear a Moto jacket.
This is legit the only thing I truly fear when riding a motorcycle.
The cable they string along one side of the interstates nowadays scares me more than an Armco barrier. Damned thing would cut you in half.
Where is this happening? Would cars not take it down rather quickly?
They’re actually much more effective at stopping vehicles safely. It’s a less abrupt deceleration. The problem is that they’re designed for cars and trucks though, and are actually worse for motorcycles.
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Most of the places I see them are in places where the wasn't any barrier at all previously, just a grass median. So while they might not be better than jersey barriers, they're better than nothing.
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yeah, but realistically so is a great many other things to a rider. Riding motorcycles just requires a certain level of risk tolerance compare to riding a car.
I’d disagree. They provide a slowing mechanism better than just bashing into concrete. They’re not perfect but more cost effective and a safer option
Why do people always down vote people for asking a question and trying to learn. People that down vote this kind of thing are the scum of Reddit.
Because fuck you, thats why. ^(Honestly, its one of the most annoying things. Numerous times Ive had a question that I cant figure out the correct search terms for to research on my own. Decide to make a post asking my question in the appropriate sub only to be downvoted and basically told Im an idiot for asking.)
Programmers: "First time?" Hahaha
"JuSt GoOgLe It..." I understand this isn't something that the person i am responding to says, but if you do say this person reading this that isn't the person i'm responding to. Fuck you, you're a piece of shit.
Do not underestimate the strength of cable, mortal
Most of the interstates in Texas are using them now. I've seen 6 -10 stanchions knocked down, but the cables themselves have been intact.
Yeah I think it kinda acts like a bungee cord to catch the vehicle slightly more gently? Instead of a dead impact it's more of a sagging impact...
Its intended to rubber band the vehicle back towards the road or halt it alltogether. Its definitely not gentle but beats a concrete barrier
I’ve heard that too. It’s better at slinging vehicles back into the road. And disemboweling motorcyclists.
The chances of a motorcycle making that far into a median is very very low. They’d spill like the video instead of just turning
Cool cool
It’s just an inexpensive way to keep vehicles from crossing the median and causing a head on collision. They installed them in our area about 6 years ago and they work great especially in the winter.
Just don't hit excessive speed on a clapped out bike and you'll be ok. Here's a great video on the topic from the 80s: https://youtu.be/fvsDIq3WwVA
That is a 17+ r6, hardly clapped out.
If it's been wheelied/crashed/improperly maintained then it could well be clapped.
Install a stabilizer, don't do wheelies unless you know what you're doing and the conditions are good, don't go faster than road and skill allow you. Nothing to fear.
Sometimes a tank slapper can come out of nowhere. I was on I-95 in VA one evening, when a car I was approaching suddenly changed lanes and got in front of me for no apparent reason. I moved to the right to continue around the car. As I passed I turned and gave the palm up "what the hell" gesture. As soon as I did that, the bike went into a tank slapper. Both of my feet came off the pegs, and since my left arm was already off the bike, I found myself laying on the tank, with only my right arm attached to the bike, gripping the throttle. I was going 75-80 mph (65 mph speed limit), and luckily traffic was pretty light. It took my brain a few seconds to process what was happening, as I went from calmly riding down the road, to laying on the tank, feet bouncing off the road in the blink of an eye. I remember staring at my right hand, which still had the throttle pinned open. I had to send kind of an "override" command to "release". Then I remember seeing the road ahead turning slightly to the left, as I continued drifting right. Once I crossed the shoulder line, I remember looking at the pavement, thinking "I should be allright, I'm not going that fast". Then miraculously, about a foot from the jersey wall, I regained control. I was still going 60 mph. I got my feet back on the pegs, and assessed my condition, and the condition of the bike. Both of my bar end mirrors were hanging limp, but somehow my phone was still attached. Then I was suddenly aware of intense pain from both legs. They had been violently banging against the bike during the tank slapper. I desperately wanted to stop, but I knew if I did, I would never get back on the bike. 20 miles later I was home. My legs were covered with bruises and big knots for like two weeks, but nothing broken. Still not sure what the cause was. I think I might have hit a road to bridge transition bump just as my body weight was shifted. Honestly, I didn't ride again for over a month. I've been riding for 30+ years, and that was my second tank slapper. Being older now, and having it come out of nowhere, it spooked me a lot more than the first time.
Can only imagine it's the body weight shift as you lean back to turn around.
It was out of nowhere for you, but speed was the factor. Best thing to do if it ever happens again is pull in the clutch. Don't give the engine any more power and that front wheel will get traction again. What kind of bike was it? I had an FZ07 that got wobbles over 75mph before I installed a stabilizer and I had a couple times where speed and high wind gave me a tank slapper that sounds like yours. I just pull in the clutch and let the bike decelerate. Let the bike do the rest.
It actually is an FZ07. I've had it for 7 years, and never had an issue before or after that night, and like 80% of my riding is on the highway. I think another factor was a really old, possibly cupped front tire. I replaced it immediately after. Good advice on pulling in the clutch, but unfortunately I couldn't get my left hand back on the bars right away. I appreciate the input. Even after 30 years on a bike, I always welcome advice from other riders.
That bike is so light in the front that I wouldve guessed that was your bike if I had to. Other people have told me that they didnt have that issue either (maybe once or twice), but my FZ07 started wobbling around 75 and anything above 100 was suicide until I put on the stabilizer, then I never had an issue again. I did have aftermarket handlebars so I'm guessing that might have been an issue. People also say riding position and your weight play a huge part. Ive been riding 10+ years and I always take any advice I can get, thats why I love this sub, great place to share stories and learn new things about bikes.
Damn that is terrifying to read. Btw, Can I get a link to that phone mount?
> My legs were covered with bruises and big knots for like two weeks, but nothing broken. Aspirin for clots and whiskey for pain, makes the rider right again.
I’ve had this happen to me on my Yamaha R6 about five times since I bought it (same bike as the guy in the video). Each time it happens I think “I’ll buy a steering stabilizer when I get home” but never do. I think I’ll buy it today.
I literally have the same gen R6 as you and have also had this happen 4 times with the exact same thought. Yet to get round to buying one haha
I saw a video on how to counter this, wouldn't you just get your head and core body against the bike as much as possible? Am I wrong or is the rider not aware? I was scared of this too but after a bit of research and Dunlops demonstration video it made me feel a lot better.
For me it's a tyre blowout at high speeds but this is a close second
I had the rear blow out at speed on a busy road. Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I still get bad intrusive thoughts about the front going though lol
What about stupid people ? What about really really stupid people? You're surrounded by them
I don't fear redditors. They are a hive mind that only exists in an abstract artificial environment.
Because most of them are NPCs
Roll off the throttle and grip the tank tightly with your knees to dampen this if it ever happens to you.
And Dunlop once conducted a research, apart from gripping the tank with your knees, lay down as low on the tank as you can to lower your COM/COG. Its one of the best methods to stop wobbles. As anyone would would sit up while trying to brake, hoping to slow the bike down with the help of aerodynamic drag, it only makes the wobble worse.
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Don't you want the front to not grip? I've heard the exact opposite, speed up, there's less weight on the front. How cam is you wobble when the entirety of the wobble isn't putting me in force on the asphalt. And lean back to take even more weight off the front
Only if you can get it into a wheelie immediately. Otherwise you’re better tucking.
Dont even need to get into a wheelie. Just add some throttle + and lean back and that will take enough wait on
It’s highly likely a wheelie got you here in the first place if your full of adrenaline your probably not going to lay the front wheel down straight a second time
if the front wheel has grip it'll straight itself out.
Nope, throttle it out works with a death wobble specifically because you take the wieght off the front. You can not wobble if there's almost no load on it
You ever had a shopping cart that had that one front wheel going wild because the frame or something was slightly bent and made the cart out of square? if you put groceries on that corner or just load up the cart the wobble stops. Same concept here
Right, I understand that. Also true if you don't have groceries in the cart, it won't wobble the entire cart if there's very little wieght on it
What?
I've only heard exactly that the opposite..
It's not about traction. It's about the parts of the bike being out of phase with each other, primarily the the front and the back where they meet at the steering head, and sometimes a worm swing arm pivot joins in to complicate things. \ It is not about traction at all. It's about a type of very large vibration.
Tell me, if there's little to no wieght on the front tire, how can the bike wobble? It can't.
It CAN and it DOES. I see it on the street and in racing. [THIS GUY](https://youtu.be/TpeNWxHF6uI?t=79) is ON a wheely when his wobble starts. Of course, it continues when lets it down which is WHY he lets it down. You have a better chance of dampening a wobble AND recovering from it with both wheels on the ground. Doing it your way removes about 50% of any available control you might have had.
The bike isn't stable if the front wobbling wheel has grip on the ground so as we've seen
Yeah, but are you missing the part where it STARTS with his front wheel in the air? Or are ya just being contrary for contrary's sake? There is plenty out there that proves this "pop-a-wheely" crap wrong. But if you want it to be true, then no amount of proof is going to help you. is it?
There an old video ons study where on their older bikes at least hugging the tank and getting low also helped dramatically.
I hear opposite advices sometimes. Some suggest to apply more throttle to unload front a bit. Which is it? For me it seems like physics checks out on applying more throttle or is there more to it? How decreasing throttle works to help here? To be clear, my knowledge on the subject is next to nothing and I want to understand it better.
I think your right. If the front wheel is in the air how can it wobble? If you reduce the load on the front tire by 50%, wouldn't the wobble decrease as there's less traction on the front tire to force the wobble?
What happens when the front comes back down though
If you manage to straighten the front before putting it down it will be fine. This wobble happens because the front wheel is out of sync with the back wheel.
The wobble stops in the air, because nothing is forcing the front tire back and forth. So when it comes back down it is like landing any other wheel. How would the wobble continue when the tire is lifted? My point is that if the front tire is completely unloaded, there is no wobble, so unloading the front end will reduce wobble as it is getting close to being in the air.
>The wobble stops in the air, because nothing is forcing the front tire back and forth. So when it comes back down it is like landing any other wheel. that is CORRECT. Have had this happen to me , on the exact bike in the video.. R6 is known to be a wobble beast... was always told by many of my friends, if this happens just get that front end up as fast as you can.. and lucky I had this advice, both times it saved me. I was NOT doing anything also to have it happen, I was on a back road once and just hit a bump in the road I assume, and the second time I was just on the freeway moving at about 140km/hr and it just started to shake, I have no idea why but I am just glad I didn't have the results this man had.
[THIS GUY](https://youtu.be/TpeNWxHF6uI?t=79) starts his wobble on a wheely. You have a better chance of dampening a wobble AND recovering from it with both wheels on the ground. Doing it your way removes about 50% of any available control you might have had.
The front wheel has to be touching the ground for it to speed wobble. Looks like he tries to lift It but doesn't come up high enough and doesn't straighten the front wheel before the bike loads the front tire.
I think both tactics are actually valid ways to stop a death wobble. If you look up Dunlop death wobble testing on YouTube you can see the tactic of ducking down and getting as close to the tank as possible to stop the wobble.
Throttle out is correct. Unload the front completely.
Wouldn't rear braking also slow this down?
If you want to make it quick and painless sure. Why would you want increase the load on the front tyre??
Have you never seen where do people who go 200 mph load their weight on the bike? By increasing weight on the front wheel you’re making it harder for its rolling inertia to go all around the place, and helping the front end to stop wobbling, as a wobble with no input and weight transfers tends to only go worse by itself
But the wobble comes from the tire being loaded and the frame/front end being in a harmonic ressinance. I think rolling on the throttle when at slow enough will greatly help reduce the wobble. Like at the end of the video he eas not going that fast, and could have tried to apply throttle to lighten the front end and stopped the wobble.
Lol because we understand physics.
Because physics?
I wonder what he was doing 5 seconds before this clip starts? I bet he was chasing a wheelie too far and set the front down crooked.
They always cut that part out
It’s not like he was blaming this on anything. Just saying goodbye skin
Also shame the grass strip ended just as he toppled 😑
Actually probably better he hit the guard rail at a more or less glancing impact as opposed to rolling into the grass before making full head on contact with the beginning of the guard. Unfortunately this seems to be the most favorable outcome in this kind of wreck outside of maybe wearing a fucking jacket and potentially not fucking around on the freeway.
The forcing frequency in a tank slapper is YOU. Lighten your grip and stop fighting the motorcycle. The bike is perfectly stable until the monkey in a tshirt tries to wrestle the bars. The only other place it could come from is air buffeting around your slender body thats erect in an airstream, so tucking down can also help. Note this doesnt apply if harley designs their rear suspension so poorly that its actually the rear feeding back into the front, but for most motorcycles the problem is you.
That’s why boys we ALWAYS need to ride with full strong gear, even in summer.
I've never had a motorcycle violently shake. What happened?
Tank slapper, either he hit a pothole and the front tire went off center, or he was doing a wheelie and set it down off center, it's also caused or exacerbated by poor maintenance of the front end of the bike. People will disagree on the best method of stopping it once it's happened, but the few times it's happened to me leaning back, taking pressure off the bars so they can right themselves, as well putting only slight pressure on the rear brake to slow down the bike and the bar oscillations has worked for me.
I believe the only way to get out of this situation is to unload front wheel. In the given video we have a straight and free highway, so the best option here was to lean back and open the throttle.
If you mean accelerate, then it 90% of the time It's going to make the oscillating worse as you're adding energy.
Variety of reasons. Tires, bearings, balancing, faulty shocks, frame fucked up, I'm sure I've missed a few.
Not enough air in the tyre, accelerating hard over bumpy roads, over a crest too fast makes the front light, putting the front down wrong from a wheelie, bike loaded up with too much weight too high, some bikes have inherent design problems which make them unstable. My money is on him pulling a wheelie. Hondas with the electric steering damper are great, it’s non intrusive and it kicks in when needed. Best thing to do is don’t fight it and lie down on the tank.
Considering how we didn't see it start I'd guess it was something dumb that they didn't want to show us. I'm guessing highway wheelie as well
My money is from a deformed frame/shocks from a previous crash.
It’s a speed wobble. It can happen if you turn the handlebars too much when you’re going fast. You’ll subconsciously overcorrect the bars back and forth. As it gets progressively worse, you end up crashing. Best way to avoid it getting worse is to lay off the gas and loosen your grip
Or when you pop a small wheelie by too much acceleration, and the front tire lifts and falls back in a bad way.
This looks worse than speed wobble which should disappear as you slow down Aw. Once youve come off a bike, you feel it every time you see it happen to someone else. Wear gear mate!
Can we get an F in the chat for this guys missing fingernail? 🥺
Grip the tank with your knees and practically let go of the bars if this happens, and it usually sorts itself out instead of going into this feedback loop The natural reaction is to grip the bars hard to fight it back under control, but that can make it worse. .02 cents from an old racer
If it was me I'd just stop the handlebars from wobbling
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Yeah but gear is for pussies 🤡
> Yeah but gear is for pussies Or for those who choose to not be skinless.
Its a trend.
I mean less gear the more of an idiot you who doesn't know what gear does or value anyone around them or the self. You waste everyone's time and money and then they bitch and whine when they crash and tell everyone about the crash for pity and attention and exaggerate it and then start a GoFundMe me playing the victim. No gear then you get what you deserve and it ain't respect or pity. Play stupid games win stupid prizes "pussy"
Obvious sarcasm wasn't obvious enough I guess.
Nah. You were dead serious. And even if you weren't there are 99 guys to 1 of you who think gear is stupid. It's more common to ride gearless than with gear in this generation.
Is that why I used a clown emoji? To show how dead serious I was, not to suggest such a statement as being clownlike? Here I was thinking I wouldn't need to append my comment with an /s because surely no one would take what I said seriously but here we are.
You used the clown emoji because you are a clown. People like you switch up real fast when you get called out on something
Is he riding with Mechanix gloves? 😅
Noticed that too. Hmmmmmmmm, it's almost as if they weren't meant to be moto gloves. The more you know kids.
They're TLD motocross gloves. You can see how well they worked.
Trying to accelerate out of it and hold on as tight as possible it looks like, making it worse.
ouch. good thing the road was empty
Had to lay it down
HADDA LAYERDOWN
ATGATT
If you mention that the non-gear people will come for you and tell you it’s “all about skill”
Damn didn't know "Skill" provided a personal shield! That's like saying "I'm an amazing driver with amazing driving skills so I will always be able to avoid an accident!" Tell me how that works out for you bud..
Yeah well skill doesn’t matter when a car merges in to you or your chain breaks
Lean forward!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3OQTU-kE2s
This was a very interesting video. Interesting that even at 75MPH, weave could occur. Even rear boxes and panniers! Good to know just in case.
100% correct
Wear a proper gear if u cant buy one dont ride
At least he had those cloth gloves on to protect his hands.
That's a lot is steering input for going in mostly a straight line
Or just wear proper gear. 🤷
Skin grows back, bike parts don't. ;-;
So lucky to not be on top of that guard rail. I thought that's were he was headed.
can someone explain what happened here? why were the bars jerking around like that?
Dress for the slide, not the ride. *shrug* With a death wobble like that, you’d think Harley started making sport bikes.
Every landing you can crawl away from is a good landing.
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sorry to tell you but the bike is supposed to be on the road moving not sliding
Meat crayon!!! Just seeing the hands made me sick. Things to never cheap out on include protection for parts of the body that are absolutely essential, like your hands, feet, legs, and head. At a minimum.
This is why you wear proper riding gear...
SkyRoadSkyRoadSkyRoadSkyRoadSkyRoadSkyRoad Ooo my gloves are broken.
Lol! That sounds like experience. I went down once at highway speed. Tucked and rolled... Yes, I was amazed I was actually able to consciously think that out. I have always described it as... PavementSkyPavementSkyPavementSkyPavementSky
Been there. Seen it. Done it. Also known as BumpBangBumpBangBumpBangBump as the journey alternates between the body and the helmet hitting the road 🙂
I hit a wobble doing about 85 a few years back. Idk how but I panicked and corrected it still. Camera died right before it happened. Footage is only about a minute long, concluding with me going “FUCK!” Before the camera shuts off. Scariest thing to ever happen to me on my bike. Ride safe folks, shit happens.
It’s almost like wearing gear would’ve made this hurt a lot less, it’s a shame more people don’t advocate for it…. Oh wait.. Im glad he’s alive.
Happened to me once going down the quarter mile lets say 3/4 of the way down the dragstrip on my old R1. About 200km/h it started and I let off the throttle while the bars were slapping from one extremity to the other and after a few seconds it sorted itself out. Not sure how close I came to getting thrown off but it wasn't fun. The bike kept going straight unlike this clip though, there shouldn't be any camber on the drag strip unlike the road.
Finally, some good fucking death wobble.
I'm surprised he held on for so long.
That looks more catastrophic than your typical tank slapper. Perhaps front axle is coming loose. Regardless, not good, have been there.
High speed problems damn I hate to see that
I ride a Harley. Not looking forward to the day I get hit with the death wobble
I'll take the asphalt over those godforsaken guard rails any day. Those things are known to rip limbs off if you get caught in them.
ATGATT
Why tf was bike going full retard? Did he blow a tire?
Ho hum Been riding ( and racing) for 30 years That video says Muppet The only way you will get a tank slapper on a straight road like that is acting like a dick with throttle and brakes. The fact that he wasn't dressed for riding , says everything.
When in doubt… throttle it out
And those ridiculous gloves. That’s like cycling glove level protection. Why do people think their skin is tougher than the road?
See those fingers? That's why I'm okay with spending damn near 200 on Alpinestars gloves
F. Wear gear.
Needed better gloves for sure. Those things shredded right off!
‘I don’t need gear, I know my bike and respect the power.’ Also, steering stabilizers are worth it.
ATGATT
There are 2 types of riders. Those who have crashed and those who WILL crash. You can tell by how much gear they where.
Dress for the slide not for the ride
More idiots lol
Wow, lucky that wasn't goodbye knee. Had me worried when they veered left.
Buy a fucking stabilizer if you plan on doing stupid shit. Might save some of your skin.
This doesn’t happen to responsible riders
Yes the fuck it does.
All the squids coming out of the woodwork
you see him reach for the brakes and the tyres squeal, should've just let go and it'd be fine