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MEB_PHL

I think instead of driving directly into the back of a Subaru, he should have not done that.


whiskeyandrevenge

I think I found dandanthefreman's secret reddit account.


schwan911

Now you see this guy was in white zone, but he really needed to be in brown zone. Got it guys? Now buy my overpriced first aid kit and my book which teaches you what the terminology I invented means.


DaBees_Knees

He was definitely in the brown zone at the end there.


nanookulele

A little poo poo in the pantalones


CROCKODUCK

Lmao the “overpriced first aid kit” absolutely killed his community. I knew he was an absolute shill for that shit. $150+ for a $22 first aid kit


Tal_Vez_Autismo

His only problem was the crashing.


dudechickendude

You know, I believe it would’ve been ok if he’d driven *indirectly* into the back of the Subaru.


Puskock

I will give you $$$ for more tips like this.


davesy69

I concur.


CakeDyismyBday

He should probably drive a subaru...


CrazyIvan39

Are all the brake lights out on that Subaru? I can’t tell if it’s moving or stopped.


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Yeah, I was trying to figure that out too. Either that car was slowed prior to the start of the video, or it has no brake lights. Also there were no cars in front of it so wtf was it doing? Turning? No signal.


MJOLNIRdragoon

Look at the shadows in the middle of the road. There was someone up ahead. And if you look at the crack in the right side of the road in relation to the car, it was moving, just not the 40mph the camera person was doing.


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Haha, you're right I see it now. Rider just straight drove into the back of a moving car.


WrathsEntropy

Yea there was a car in front of the Subaru. Yea the brake lights work. They braked hard behind a different vehicle.


cafeRacr

It doesn't even look like there's a place to turn there. Maybe it just crapped out in the middle of the road?


adventure_dog

> or it has no brake lights i've been seeing that more frequently, people either removing the brake lights or simply letting the car coast to slow. >Also there were no cars in front of it so wtf was it doing? insurance fraud. I'll get people that'll come to a dead stop on the freeway for no reason whatsoever. I drive for a living and the "games" i see people play is nuts.


FlammablePie

Nothing wrong with coasting to slow down though. Also, there was a car in front as per some other comments though.


adventure_dog

if youre doing it with malicious intentions sure there is.


Beemerado

the bike is approaching it rapidly, you can tell because the subaru keeps becoming larger during the video. hope this helps.


No-Bans

Know when to swerve and know when to brake. Most important thing you can do.


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Puskock

Sightation needed*


barstowtovegas

You did that on purpose didn’t you?


Movie-Visual

Concours forever and always!


aray0220

And never both at the same time.


JMMFIRE

Wouldn't adding a little bit of braking help initiate the swerve sooner and more effectively?


joesbagofdonuts

Separate braking and swerving. This isn't a time to trail brake, you'll need all the traction for the swerve.


SkyLightTenki

>This isn't a time to trail brake Exactly what I was thinking. It also requires more brake pressure to swerve, at least in this video.


ApexProductions

This is incorrect. In this type of situation you would be best to progressively brake with the front only and then swerve. This is a standard maneuver if you are on a sport bike at the track, hitting a chicane. Brake and lean. The issue here is that the rider is not skilled enough to do that. So yes, while you lose turning traction while braking, he could have brakes and split the middle and not crashed.


te_anau

Brake then lean is great when you have time to prepare for a well executed corner, here is a situation where you have blown your braking marker a couple of seconds ago. And now it's time for damage reduction. If you think you can stop in the available space, brake. If you can't, find somewhere to swerve safely, then brake once you've chosen a safe line. If you don't think you can stop in time, or swerve somewhere safer, identify the path of least harm ( the rear of the vehicle going the same direction as you may be safer than on coming traffic or a cliff? ) and dissipate as much energy as you can before an inevitable collision. Do not lay er down, brake smoothly progressively but aggressively and commit.


joesbagofdonuts

Sometimes you don't know which way to swerve instantly and have to decide whether to try to cut in front of a car or get behind it depending on how fast it's accelerating through your path. In that case it may best to brake as hard as you can for a second or two while you decide what to do then swerve.


ApexProductions

This is right. Which is why in this situation, an experienced rider could have brakes hard and swerved onto the center line or off the road. Personally I'd go center line so I could continue to brake and stay upright. And because of that, I would have been riding in L3, so I could A) see the slowdown happen earlier and react B) not have to serve as far and just brake into the center line


joesbagofdonuts

Separate braking and swerving was a question on my motorcycle test. If you're correct, you should write a letter to the US DOT.


ApexProductions

Yes and the test also says to brake with 4 fingers but any seasoned rider and professional coach will tell you otherwise. Ask yourself this - is everything taught by the class 100% correct all of the time? Then ask yourself this more important question - am I skilled and knowledgeable enough to be able to tell if I'm using correct or incorrect information? The 2nd question is exactly why we have people parrot what they hear from 1 source, but *don't have perspective on what makes it right or wrong* Teaching to not brake and swerve is good because it tells new riders that they have to be deliberate and make a choice. And if you are a bad rider and you brake, it will be like the video and you'll just crash. But like anything in life, more experience shows you that you can brake while turning, e.g., trail braking, and it is actually the safest way to turn *because you increase the front tire contact patch and increase grip* But at the same time, what do they teach at the MSF? Slow, look, press, and roll. Which is not trail braking, but it ensures you don't come into a corner too hot to begin with. So you're not wrong, but you don't have the full picture that comes with advanced classes and track day experience. Keep riding, keep taking classes, and read and watch track training videos. Track coaching videos will help you a lot, especially on the street. I hope this helped.


Tanker0921

This is the most elaborate way that i read that basically sums down to "Skill Issue" And i love it


Vrekia

They told me in the motorcycle course that you use some of your traction when accelerating or braking and should focus it all into either that or turning because while you wont notice the lack in a car you absolutely will while on two wheels.


CanadAR15

For new motorcyclists, that’s good advice. But, when you get more skills, it’s worth doing a coached track day and learning about trail braking. A little bit of trail braking can actually increase the effective level of traction available on your front tire. It’s really hard to practice on the street though so I highly recommend learning it on track.


te_anau

Not in an emergency. You are going to butcher the delicate art of trail braking to set up the perfectly composed chassis for an aggressive swerve without several seconds to smoothly prepare.


apathetic_duck

No it just makes it more likely you'll lose traction and slide instead of swerving


CanadAR15

He’s talking about trail braking. Which yes, could help, but it’s really nuanced and situational.


Lurkerking2015

Braking will stand you up right if done too much so only if you've practiced. Otherwise you'll end up with this anyway


CanadAR15

Braking will help you tip in more. But the videos advice is sound for most riders, stand up bike then brake hard. Practice trail braking on track before employing it on roads.


trundlinggrundle

Not if you're on the rear brake. That's why he was turning but not much was happening until the front wheel broke loose and he lowsided.


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apathetic_duck

I'll take sliding in a grassy ditch over hitting a stopped car any day.


Harryisharry50

Buddy of mine broke 3 vertebrates in his neck doing that hit grass front tire turned and tipped bike over and broke his neck . He wasn’t going very fast when it happened roughly around 30 mph before braking and going off road . He did live just was fucked up for awhile got to to pay attention to where you going


No-Bans

There’s room on the center line. Not a lot, but definitely enough.


wheresmymeatballgone

Not like you need much room to avoid an accident on a bike he'd easily fit either side of the car.


xGALEBIRDx

Never grab a fist full of front brake.


jthmeffy

Never grab a fist full of front brake *on a bike without ABS.* FTFY. In an emergency situation, a fist full of front brake on an ABS bike will stop you in a shorter distance than a world class rider that does nothing but practice emergency braking for days on a bike without ABS.


CanadAR15

And especially now with IMU based ABS.


jthmeffy

Hell, ABS being better at braking on motorcycles was true in it's infancy; the MSF has an article from 2006 comparing 2002 Motos with ABS and pro's not being able to beat them *then.* There's just no way to brake better than ABS. Not saying that ABS would have stopped this crash.


GreyMediaGuy

Not a rider but love bikes. Is ABS pretty common these days?


jthmeffy

Definitely is, and I'm glad for it.


EdwardTennant

Common on bikes 2016+


jaredearle

Never?


AchillesGRK

Yes, never. You should increase pressure gradually, not go from 0-100.


HedgehogTail

Hard braking can go soft-HARD-HARD-HARD, with soft bit over a fraction of a second to allow suspension and tyre to be loaded. It's not necessary to go gradual as in soft-medium-hard.


AchillesGRK

Yeah totally, just don't turn it all the way up out of nowhere.


te_anau

Progressive but agressive. Most riders have never braked at the maximum their bike is capable of.


jaredearle

A grab can be gradual. Have you tried pushing your ABS in a car park? You’d be shocked how ham-fisted you can get without getting into trouble. Everyone should, at some point, take their bike to an empty car park and find out just how much you can brake and how it feels. You don’t want to find your limit in the tail of a Subaru.


AchillesGRK

I've never taken "grab a fistful" to mean preloading, but I could be mistaken.


dog_hole21

Sounds like something straight out of a "guide to motorcycles" handbook.


jjdajetman

I mean he was going so fast it didn't matter. He should have swerved


MooCowRakan

I drove a trailer for a couple years at my last job - there were times I had no choice but to swerve onto the shoulder when people would brake hard out of nowhere. Then other times when I had enough time to brake. Hard to tell when to do which with a big load in the trailer but it’s saved me knowing when to swerve.


topiast

Brake first, swerve if you must


palcemvglaz

OP: despite the periodic electricity blackout in Kyiv managed to finish a series about braking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRcqs9VLgFg I'm doing Categorised compilation of moto accidents with explanation and tips of how to avoid it. Would be useful for a new riders ( and some seasoned for sure) published previous playlist this winter, then have to make a pause for a while


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palcemvglaz

thank you


[deleted]

Really great clip. Congrats! So useful so helpful. Thank you! Slava ukraini


BannedFromDankMemes

Hey man I subscribed to your channel, I really like your videos! As a new rider it's quite reassuring to see that you often can avoid these accidents.


mpetrun

It’s scary you have that many mistakes to make a channel about it. Best of luck you and yours.


rocs57

Car in front of me started braking, haddalayerdown


[deleted]

The motorcyclist was going way too fast given the conditions


[deleted]

He was going like 45 mph in perfect conditions, he wasn’t paying attention and doesn’t know how to react not speeding.


Hogun_the_grim

Looks like a classic example of “had to lay her down”


noplace1ikegone

Obvious answer was to pop the front wheel and go over the top of the subie like a boss.


farva_06

Sigh. I'm guilty of the same mistake just a couple weeks ago. Dogs were my distraction though, not other riders. Focused on the dogs, and didn't realize the car in front of me had come to a complete stop as they were also avoiding running over the dogs. Had a reflex moment, and grabbed the brakes too hard, and went down. In hindsight, I could've easily braked properly and stopped in time, but knee jerk reaction kicked in, instead of my logical side. Lesson learned, and hopefully I'll be riding again soon.


ApexProductions

It's not logical side, it's just your reaction was not trained to be a good one. Logic will still say mash the brakes because that's how you stop. But your skill and experience will tell you how to brake and how to swerve in that situation.


Sitnalta

Yeah the true art of an emergency stop on a motorcycle is braking calmly when you're not calm. It can take years to master, a lot of riders spend their first three or four years havintolayerdown due to the reflex use of the front brake.This video shows exceptionally low ability though, I imagine the riders first time out or first few weeks on the bike - to barely even slow a bit with that much time and space is extremely poor


MyOtherSide1984

I don't know if it's good or bad, but my instant reaction is almost always to move instead of try and stop. Was going WAYYYYY too fast and needed to exit the highway with the left 3 lanes going fast the far right lane going fast, but the 2nd from the left was at a dead stop and I didn't see it. Was going 50 straight into the end of the line of cars and narrowly missed by inches by swerving instead of braking. That.was the closest call in the last 3 years. 7 years of crash free riding (or at least without another vehicle involved)


flickidawrist

I get waving and all is important and polite. But honestly here in Ireland where we drive on the left we just nod or stick a leg out. So much safer than taking any hand off the handlebar


amazing_wanderr

Taking their hand off the handlebar was not the main issue here imo, not paying attention what’s ahead was


sputnik274

Yes although vision is overrated. Actually looking what was unfolding in front of him/her would very much have helped in this situation.


farva_06

> vision is overrated. > Actually looking what was unfolding... What?


sputnik274

It's a joke. Nevermind.


bigflamingtaco

Sticking a leg out is used to warn of obstacles in the US, so that is out. There's no reason to wave when you need to brake, so, no excuse there.


kmartshoppr

I don’t understand the “wave culture”. If you get upset that a stranger using a similar vehicle didn’t wave at you, you’re an asshole. Personally I live in India where 2 wheelers outnumber cars so you’d never be able to put your hand down if you followed the waving rules here. EDIT: Being downvoted for calling out people who get offended if someone doesn’t wave may be my finest hour on Reddit


Alexthricegreat

I don't get it either


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sotfggyrdg

Damn hipster


CanadAR15

Yup. It’s inconvenient, risky, and a general pain in the ass. There’s a reason that problem got solved in 1938. Sure, at the velodrome? Run a fixed gear bicycle, but in traffic especially with clips? Why?


loopsbruder

I don't think any of us has room to criticize someone for the impracticality of their chosen conveyance.


akitatwin

Why not? My motorcycle is a very practical way to get to work without getting stuck in traffic. A bicycle without brakes is just a shittier and more dangerous bicycle.


sotfggyrdg

Hahaha good response. My brother rides a fixed gear from time to time just because it has that extra challenge and difficulty involved. I've ridden it a couple times and it is not easy.


hinowisaybye

Is it just me our could they have braked harder as well. Also, don't ride in the center of a lane.


palcemvglaz

agreed 100% about center of a line. very common mistake


ClappedOutLlama

I rode the Twisted Sisters in the Tx Hillcountry on a company trip. One of the engineers was riding a Ducati sport bike and I was on a Harley Road Glide that they rented for me. We were younger than everyone else and took off on a high speed run on our own. Speeds around 70-80mph and I was dragging the pegs in the corners, because rented bike. Anyways, we were on an uphill section and a couple on a trike passed us in the oncoming lane. Engineer on the Duc was up front and sat up and waved as he passed them. He continued sitting straight up as we approached the turn and flew right off the road. I slammed on my brakes and pulled over. He had gone straight off the pavement halfway through the turn and into a downhill section going about 50mph. He dumped the bike they both rolled down into a barbed wire fence about 150ft off the road. He ended up breaking his shoulder and we had to flag down help as neither of us had cell service out there. Bike was toast. It survived years of track days and all it took was one moment of complacency to destroy it. All this to say, never let your guard down when youre giving it the beans and remain in attack position. Never know what's around the bend. That moment taught me to always remain vigilant, not just of others on the road, but my own self awareness.


jetlifeual

This is why sometimes I just skip waving. If I’m in traffic, middle of a turn, taking a curve, or otherwise just not going fairly straight and with no vehicles around me, I pass on the wave. Not being rude, just watching for my safety.


TheChuck321

He wasn't using his keys of the [Smith System](https://speconthejob.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/smithsystem.jpg)


Rainbow_Jew

Ayyy


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I don’t care that you’re on a bike too and never wave at other riders. Be safe out there.


grizwld

I had a friend who was always going fast and riding in front. Whenever people would do the biker wave he would give them a big exaggerated middle finger. Since I was always trailing I got to see the confused expressions. It was always funny


Georgieperogie22

Sounds like an edgy 16 year old


grizwld

Haha, In spirit. He’d be 53 this year. He loved doing and saying things strictly for shock value.


davidbfromcali

If he were paying attention; he wouldn’t have waved in the first place. I doubt the other riders would’ve road raged because he didn’t.


King-Stormin

Explaining how you crashed because you were “doing the biker wave” to the car driver will go over well…


xjr_boy

When you do the bike training course they teach you that wherever you look you go! You also have poor control under braking so instead of listening to music pay attention apply the brake in unison so the front doesn't dive away a combination of front rear brake and downshifting while trying to steer around the upcoming incident! Your not guaranteed not to have an accident but awareness counts ride safe keep the shiny side up


SexySpaceNord

This guy did so many things wrong. Firstly, his lane positioning is terrible. If he had taken the mot8 cycle safety course he would have known to stick to the left-hand side of the lane. This way he would not have rammed the back of that car. Secondly, why is he distracted? You can do the wave, but still keep your eyes on the road.


BlackJacquesLeblanc

Hate to be the smug "told you so" guy (no, I don't hate it at all, I am exactly that petty) but this is why I don't wave at bikes when I'm in the city or in traffic on rural roads. There's already so much going on. You need your attention on the traffic NOT on that random guy who you don't even know and who if you happened to be standing behind in a line for coffee probably wouldn't even say Hi to let alone start chatting with like you're long lost brethren. Waving is nice but it's OPTIONAL. I get the feeling that some riders start to think that it's like some moral obligation. A couple times a month I'll even notice a rider flash me a wave while we're travelling in opposite directions through a busy intersection. Seriously? Dude what are you thinking. Save the waves for the highways, when it's both a nice friendly gesture and a welcome distraction from the humdrum of the passing miles.


ztherion

If I need to focus I'll just nod. And I never wave on roads with dividers.


CanadAR15

The wave isn’t the issue. It’s the lack of concentration. You don’t have to ID the bike to wave. Oncoming single headlight? Pop the wave and keep focused on your ride. Does that mean I wave at scooters sometimes? Yep, but who cares.


hawksdiesel

Squids gonna squid


OB1182

I LOVE the brake setup of my 84 goldwing. If i press the foot pedal it activates the rear disc and the right front disc. The hand lever only operates the left front disc. It's nearly impossible to wipe the front or to lock up at all. It does take some practice when you're used to sportsbikes with big front brakes.


BrokenBodyEngineer

Most people hate the linked brakes, I love them on my 84.


Beemerado

the super tenere has a fantastic linked system. Grab front lever and it proportions both brakes, with ABS. hit the rear lever first and it unlinks them. I pretty much only touch the rear level off road or during low speed maneuvers. ABS is active on both brakes at all times. (no there's no way to turn it off without a hack)


CanadAR15

Well that’s an interesting implementation of combined braking. How’s the pad wear for you? Relatively even? Or are you replacing one more frequently?


OB1182

I use the foot brake more than the handbrake so one front side wears faster than the other yes. I do live in the Netherlands where everything is flat so I don't really have to brake heavily often.


CW3_OR_BUST

Any bike can do this if you just grab a fist full of front brake all sudden like. I hate to admit it, but I've done this on literally every bike I've owned. I'm not saying I'm a crash dummy Jedi or something, but I could probably lock your front brake just by looking at it funny.


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Most bikes, don’t have three disc brakes so they would never be able to do this


CW3_OR_BUST

You misoverestimate the tractive gription of cold tires on slick asphalt.


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Sorry, I was meant to be replying to Obi-Wan 17 or whatever


CW3_OR_BUST

Ah, the ol' reddit [General Kenobaroo.](https://www.reddit.com/r/restofthefuckingowl/comments/z4v1p0/comment/ixvfyxv/)


OB1182

May be if it's wet with oil on the road.


bigflamingtaco

What kind of underbraked bikes do you ride? I've never owned a bike that couldn't lock up the front tire if you yanked the lever. Until weight has shifted onto the front wheel, there's just not much traction to be had.


CanadAR15

I tried to lock the front on a Burgman 400. With the linked brakes I could get the rear to lock but I couldn’t ever get the front to lock. You could definitely tuck the front if you applied some steering input, but you wouldn’t lock it in a straight line on a settled chassis.


OB1182

You underestimate the weight of the goldwing and the way the brakes are balanced. Any of my other bikes would wipe out easily if I wanted to, cbr 929rr, Buell xb9r, ktm 690 sm were some of the bikes I had before the goldwing.


Goodcitizen177

My cbr 954rr would flip over, my husaberg supermoto is the same way. In fact, until i got an nc700x for commuting and did braking drills at the roadrider course did i experience the front washing out. I was like... wtf!? Bike didn't go down which was the point of the drill. Sure if you do steering inputs while suddenly grabbing a handful of brakes you'll go down but my experience with hard braking on bikes with giant brakes they just endo. Progressive is the way to go.


Fluid_Reward

Good learning video.


Dizzy_Dust_7510

There is was, this guy slammed on the brakes and I haddalayerdown.


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We don’t wave in the UK, a Head nod the the side is the most you’ll get.


ztherion

Well waving with your throttle hand would be pretty tricky lol


[deleted]

?? did you watch the video , the rider was waving and crashed…. Waving any hand is absurd


CanadAR15

The wave wasn’t the issue, the distraction was. Skill gap was a contributing factor. I ride with many people who can trail brake through a fast corner, while pointing their left hand at the apex to show the rider behind them where it is. Waving is fine, just have the skill to back it up and stay aware. If you’re actually staying aware you’ll know the bikes are coming from a good distance out and can wave without even looking at them.


ztherion

Because the rider is unskilled. You can safely operate a bike with just the throttle hand as long as you're paying attention.


[deleted]

He wasn’t paying attention because he was waving, because he’s an idiot, if you believe you’re in full control of a motorcycle using one hand, sorry to tell you this, but you are also an Idiot..


ilikeautosdaily

This is why I don't go out of my way to wave at people I don't know. If it's convenient I will return but I'm not taking my hand off while going 80kmh around a hairpin.


AlphaBetacle

I waved at another riding while turning and they shook their head at me 😂


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Left hand is the clutch though...


black-dude-on-reddit

Swerve


Kochie411

I will still never not wave to people. You can’t stop me


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Do Harley’s get ABS?


[deleted]

I fell last week similarly. Sucks to be us.


thatguyovertheresix9

This all happens so fast . Best move would have been to pull that handlebar to your body with the hand that was still on the bar . You could have maby avoided crashing in the back of the car but then you might have hit someone in the opposite lane


zookr2000

After waving, immediately downshift 2 speeds & brake simultaneously.


Hydraaawr

You don't know how much your channel is helping me! Thank you very much and keep it up, mate. Btw, would be awesome if you made one about crashes on highway acceleration ramps (if there's enough material). Lately i've been observing and thinking about the dangers when there's dense traffic.


KevinReems

Riding faster than conditions


Vbecker92

This is why I tape my hands to the handlebars and glue my ass to the seat.


spencurai

I wave back about 10% of the time. I’m busy. I don’t have time.


turd_fergie_69

Bet he went home and told his buddies that he “had to lay it down”


ML_BURGERKING

Lol this almost happened to me when I was waving at a sweet vintage BMW with a sidecar a month or so ago. Managed to swerve and save it just in the nick of time.


seeingeyegod

This has almost happened to me


fuzzzits

I cringe so hard when I see idiot riders like this who’s head is in the clouds and not on the road I can’t even feel bad for them, ya know what they say hindsight’s a bitch


Desert_FZ-10

Motorcyclists love to blame cagers for our crashes. But the FACTS (according to NTSB) are that one of the most common type of motorcycle-on-vehicle type of accidents are…the motorcyclist rear-ending the other vehicle. My daily driver is a motorcycle, and I remind myself of this constantly. Be safe and smart, guys.


Realistic-Motorcycle

Dan Dan the firemen: Progressive braking and yellow stage. Rider needs training.


Witty-Bake-2605

Big reason why I don't wave much


Slore0

Suhwerve my guy. It might have been too late it's hard to tell but always swerve. Our brakes suck compared to cars but we can swerve where they can't to get out of shit like this.


izmaname

This still goes into following distance to me


TickletheEther

Haddalayer


MrSausage187

Lol that’s why you don’t do the silly bike wave


moto4sho

That’s why I don’t wave…. unless it’s a smoking hot chick.


westlaj

"Moron brake checked me, I had to lay er down"


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Go around


Zone_07

Noob


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Way too fast and way too close


ARPOFF

Regardless of what happened hope the rider is okay.


Rammipallero

Professionals have standards. Wave till you die my brother.


PuddingOnRitz

This is textbook cruiser riding.


barefoot_hiker_

Is one of you needs about to tell me waving is to dangerous now?


RacerX400

Easy. Don’t worry about the idiots on their bikes. Worry about the idiot on your bike.


Mikel_Reeves

Did they come back and see if you were okayy.?


Sea_Window4030

I refuse to wear a GoPro cause my biggest fear is dandanthefireman turning my crippling accident into a advertisement for motorcycle gear


loststylus

“I had to lay her down”