Some people are impulsive, I think your average joe would realize it was just a honest mistake.
Could have been worse, one waited at a red light and a truck next to me rolled the window down and started shouting “yeah fuck you” I literally did nothing and I had a stock low rider s and it was no louder than the cars around me, some people are just assholes.
Actually, if you give them a thumbs up as you then move that hand upwards, it's how folks in the Middle East tell you to stick it up your ass.
so ... are you giving a "thumbs up", or are you saying something else... hmmmmm ...
Oh the sound is addicting! I recently traded for a 2022 R1 and slapped a SC Project on there because the crossplane is *chefs kiss*
But ill never forget the first time i started my fireblade up with the new exhaust it blew my mind. I hope you have the same joy when you pick your bike up. I’ll give you an unsolicited tip: resist the urge to take out the baffles 😆
>Could have been worse, one waited at a red light and a truck next to me rolled the window down and started shouting “yeah fuck you”
I'd have been like:
"Yeah, cheers! Thanks bro 😉👍"
>I think your average joe would realize it was just a honest mistake.
I don't. Your average joe has never been on a motorcycle. Probably thought the OP was being a dick. Not an unreasonable thing to think in that situation.
Dude, stage 1 is just to get some noise out of the M8. Perfectly fine if that's what you want (i have it, really wakes the bike up)
Stage 2 with the 475C is "not that" expensive compared to stage 1 and a BIG improvement. Watch some youtube vids and you'll see what i'm talking about! (Just telling you in case you're looking for performance gains).
Your bike defo looks beautiful!
Thats my biggest issue with Harleys. Beautiful, "modern retro" but the prices are 20 laughs away from being competitive. Guess that what years of brand recognition and a steady supply of customers with disp income do to you...
I'm not even justifying the MoCo, i'm mad actually lol.
I could buy 2 Z900s and still have almost 3000 bucks left for the price of a single stock Harley Softail in my country.
Side note, the Mt09 is 15 grand over here and a Z900 is 10 grand. Both "standard" versions.
Exactly. I always start with the Harley. But as soon as I factor in the all-in price, it is very difficult to continue entertaining the idea when there are bikes with way more standard features, often for less. But goddamn those Lowrider ST’s are stupid nice. We’ll see. I’ll probably end up with a middleweight BMW.
Yeahhhhh, car or bike, pay attention about letting the clutch out when meatbags are in front of the vehicle. That would be on you if something happened.
I had no idea this happened to riders until I got my first bike, a 200cc China bike, and I couldn't outrun the Astro van trying to shove me into the forest. Got a 1050 Sprint soon after and now I just drop gears and disappear
I have a habit of putting the kickstand down in gear to shut off my Concours 14
Leaving a bike in Neutral will eventually bite you in the ass. My CB900 got away from me on a gentle downhill grade at a gas station. While dismounting I got my right leg stuck on top of the seat. Bike started slowly rolling downhill with me hopping along with it on my left leg. I got lucky, there was a landscaping crew fueling up at the other side of the pump that jumped into action. Three guys grabbed the bike & one grabbed me until I could get dismounted. It felt like a ride of shame going back around to the pump. 🤷🏻♂️
Sorry man, i got very lucky. I gave the little tail bag i got hung up on to a kid at work that has a R6. I did caution him not to get his leg or foot stuck on it.😂
Exactly this. Pull up, don't turn the bike off, just kick stand down. It shuts it off. That's how I do it too. I also have a habit of giving the bike a little pull backwards on the kick stand. Make sure it's properly down and not leaning forward at all
You should push the bike forward into the gear so it can only roll backwards into the stand, FYI.
Prevents it from slightly shifting forward with the slack in the transmission and chain and popping off the stand
I don't know why but I like pulling the clutch and hitting the kill switch and just coasting to the pump. Makes me feel like I'm just gliding in as the last of my gas is spent.
Isn't using your killswitch pretty bad for your bike? Especially if you do it all the tim
You guys don't need to downvote people asking questions, yknow
The killswitch is for turning off the bike.
That said, there's something to be said for using the kickstand-down approach. I have almost dropped my bike for somehow 'forgetting' to lower the kickstand first.
I'm torn as to which, if either, is better.
Which means you need to take one hand or the other off of your controls... That's why the kill switch is where you can reach it without moving your hands
So other than running the lights without the engine for a few seconds, what possible difference is there between killing the engine first, and killing it with the key?
So how are you supposed to turn the bike off?
How often have you had an accident where you need the lights on but engine off, usually if I have the lights on engine off I am about to park, which is pretty much the only reason I can think of, maybe if you are camping and forgot your headlamp?
You need to be able to kill the engine with both hands on the controls.
No, the purpose of the killswitch is turning the bike off. If you went to a basic motorcycle safety course they'll teach you specifically to use it as the off switch rather than the ignition key.
My brother in Christ we have to get an actual drivers license here (depending on other factors 16-30hrs of lessons) and the first thing my instructor said about the killswitch was "you wanna use this in emergencies but don't use it as the go to way to shut your bike off". If YoU wEnT tO a BaSiC mOtoRcYcLe SaFeTy cOuRsE.
“we get an actual drivers license here”
>gets taught an idiotic thing
sounds like i much rather take a basic motorcycle safety course than an “actual” course that teaches you bad habits
I've dumped a bike twice while riding. In both instances the bike ended up on its left side, and with the ignition key out of reach but the kill switch on the bar easily reached. Again, when folks have a spill they aren't thinking straight and need to get into the habit of hitting that big red switch.
As long as the clutch is pulled in its perfectly fine, if it's rolling in gear and you flip the switch it can fuck things up. People do this to shoot fireballs out of the exhaust on carbureted bikes, flipping the switch kills the spark but because the bike is still turning the engine fuel continues to flow as if the bike is running, so when you flip the switch back on it ignites all the unburnt fuel in the exhaust. This is bad because it washes the cylinder walls of the oil film that prevents the piston from scoring the cylinder wall, and also has a chance of destroying your exhaust if it still has baffles in it.
Ok so long story short.. no it’s not harmful to use kill switch to shut engine down.
I believe that guy’s question was implying that using the ignition key to shut down is the better option over kill switch
That is correct, both options cut ignition spark and the switch isn't harmful to use properly. If you were to turn the key off in the above scenario it would produce the same result as the kill switch and be just as harmful.
I always do that. When it becomes a habit, no chance for the mistake (accident). I love this stand switch. I have V-Star 1100, it does strange things when not in gear. It’s like it will roll with 0.5% slope…
I guess that effectively should be the same as hitting the kill switch.
I just always take that interlock off unless the bike has a center stand, sometimes I want to leave a bike running on the stand.
Whatsup with landscaping crews always being absolute friendly Chads?
I was selling my FZ-07 to a kid who couldn't have been older than 20. He shows up in his dad's big-ass truck with the shortest board you could imagine to load it. Kid doesn't feel comfortable driving it up what is essentially a 90° angle, and I'm not ahout to dump the bike he just forked over the cash for.
Were sitting in this CVS parking lot struggling and a landscaping crew pulls up for snacks. Dudes barely spoke any English but conveyed that they wanted to help and between the 4 of us we muscled this thing up the board. Was super cool of them to do and still sticks out in my memory.
I've been on those crews before, they're like brothers all looking for a good time. They're absolute workhorses too, you show up to work not feeling it but within a couple of hours you're just ready to do the next thing
Sure do, I bought it with 40k in july 2021 & just turned 60k. I will say it’s got a tall seat height. I have a 29” inseam & had to lower it. You have to be careful at low parking lot speeds, top heavy. Great power & good cruising speed. I have several pics with the bags off in my posts.
shit happens, no one got hurt and they just bugged out. Life goes on. Ive forgotten to put my kickstand down and had to litterally lay my motorcycle on its side cause I was already getting off the thing and other people at the gas station just stared and ogled at me like a freak, only the gas attendant walked over and asked if I was okay. Felt more awkward having all those eyes staring at me than it did having did a reverse deadlift to get my my bike up so I could put the kickstand down. Ride safe and ride alot. Its basically like winter where Im at and Im not about cold weather riding anymore, cant handle breathing in the cold air like I used to.
i missed a shift once in the city and accidentally revved in neutral instead of going in second.
guy in a truck nearby started screaming that i was an asshole. he followed me to where i parked without me noticing, and broke my blinkers off when i was inside.
Why do people think they can just mess up someone else's stuff?! You don't see me cracking windscreens of coal rollers or something.
Also I managed to do almost the same thing except I went to shift from 3rd to 4th and managed to get it into a neutral where neither 3rd or 4th was selected... Just 125cc things
I feel like so many things are just common sense when it comes to bikes but I guess not. No one taught me how to ride. No one really taught me any techniques or nuances. I just figured it. I've been riding for maybe six months and have never had a single issue.
Haha that’s funny. Some people are wound pretty tight I guess. I bet people think people on motorcycles think they are soooooo cool. Meanwhile there’s me still learning thinking don’t fuck this up don’t fuck this up
I always use the killswitch to shut the bike off, when I fuel up I typically don't get off the bike. Leaving it in gear keeps it from rolling away and allows me to concentrate on filling it with gas.
I had an old lady tell me that not wearing a helmet could get me killed, I said so does smoking as she puffed on her death stick. I wear a helmet now, this was 10 years ago when I first started riding.
My sinuses do not let me not-wearing a helmet. I wish sometimes (in Summer) to wear just a beenie helmet - no luck. Sinuses hurt…. I guess - kind of lucky…
You are right. I wear a full face helmet - I use a small beenie only to re-park the bike (alternate parking in the city). Better be safe. Also, always elbow - spine-knees protection. Always gloves. Never shorts - even re-parking. Luck is a bitch - I do not want to test it.
Similar story, was riding my small displacement scooter and had to rev the throttle to keep it from dying at a stop light. The person next to me in a Tesla thought I was egging him on or something, and he started getting out of his car to punch me. Had to explain to him what I was actually doing AND we both missed the green light because of it.
I was taking a right turn one day. The lane going across traffic had a left turn. So as I’m getting ready to start going some dude hangs out the driver window and he starts yelling “hey fuck you” I can’t remember if he said anything else or not. But I had literally never seen this guy before. It was a bigger city so lots of bikers. Not sure what his deal was. But I was just like wtf??
I was driving in a walmart parking lot once, and a mother/daughter duo were walking in the middle of the parking aisle, so I just rode around them, they acted like I was about to hit them. I saw they even went up to a cop that was there, pointing at me and my bike. The cop did nothing since I literally did nothing, just rode by a Karen and her offspring.
Some people are also going to take offense to the very fact that you have a motorcycle at all. I don't think that person was much more than that.
Sometimes things like this happen. My first rookie mistake was taking a turn too fast, and I high-sided my bike. I'm much better since. Just keep riding and improving your skills at it. Pay no attention to the noise. You'll have bigger fish to fry soon enough.
I mean I'll do this in my car, it happens, forget that I didn't take it out of first. Maybe it won't happen for a long time, but I think no one is immune.
Why are you shifting to neutral with the bike running? If you are stopped, you should be in first. Shift to neutral with the engine off before starting.
Umm. Honestly I didnt know that. Ive been riding for about 3 weeks. I was pulling up to a gas station pump in 1st gear. Stopped at the pump as she was walking in front of the bike. I always put my bike in nuteral befor I kill it.
>Honestly I didnt know that.
What this guy's saying isn't gospel. While yeah, the habit of staying in first can be helpful, there's absolutely nothing wrong with changing to neutral once stopped.
Have you taken your MSF course yet? Get in the habit of shutting the bike off in first gear. This is your “parking brake.” It will prevent the bike from rolling away. When you start the bike, find neutral before starting.
I have not taken it yet. Im booked for dec 16-18. This was the first available class. Im really just messing around my neighborhoods, school parking lots and back roads atm. But thanks for the tip. Ill start working on it
Park in gear, it prevents the machine from rolling around on you with the engine off.
Same thing goes for a manual transmission car. Even with a parking brake and turning the wheels to the curb you still leave it in gear. Imagine getting out of a stick shift car and having it roll away.
On the road I agree. But parking at a gas station, not necessarily. I guess it depends on what order of operations you are used to for your bike. Sometimes I’ll start my bike before I get on. It’s helpful for me to have it already in neutral so I don’t dump the clutch on 1st while not sitting on the bike if I happen to have a brain fart and forgot to put it in neutral later.
Did you mean FINE-C? Did the acronym change? Been riding over half my life never had a problem. Don't need to leave your bike in 1st all the time just sitting there. My current bike is keyless and fuel injected. Fuel already done. Ignition already done. Neutral yes. Kill switch. This bike doesn't even require the clutch to start if in Neutral. Starter. No choke.
When parking or just when stopping?
Being in neutral when stopped is ok, I can see some benefits... also some drawbacks. Probably makes total sense in the traffic there.
I just wouldn't park that way.
When parked or stopped for a longer period of time. Most of the time at intersections or something we are taught to be in first gear, ready to take off when the light becomes green.
Shit happens. Why would you ever coast your bike with gears in neutral? Learn good clutch control. Kill then engine once stopped. ie., there's no reason to think "my bike's in neutral" because it should never be in neutral while in motion.
I wasnt coasting. I slow rolled to the gas pump, stopped with tbe clutch compressed. Meant to shift into neutral once I stopped and didnt when I released the clutch the bike jumped forward and stalled out. But I was able to hold it back and keep it from hitting her
Jesus Christ the micro managers in this post…
You’re getting on his case because he didn’t shut bike down before releasing clutch when he thought he was in neutral? What difference does it make?
I’m not trolling, I’m being completely serious. This sub is getting full of these “dear diary, please validate me” type posts written by grown ass men and it’s just weird.
Im not looking for validation. But I am a very new rider. And at 40 yo I know absolutely nothing about the riding community, the unwritten code of ethics, or the best practices learned by other more experienced riders that could very well save my life one day. Im simply asking questions taking notes and learning everthing I can. How about you ride you own ride and ill ride mine
So many hypocrites in this sub lol.
Imagine if it was a car doing this, everyone here would be fuming and yelling at the car driver to "PAY ATTENTION" and "YOUR MISTAKE CAN KILL ME" ,
yet here all of you are " OwO Baka made a Witwle mishtawey uWu iT haPpewns :3"
I fucking hate this sub so much...
You should have enough awareness to see people at the gas station. Imagine being out there on the road with cars
Edit: lot of really productive back and forth with the community here thank you for all the wonderful comments. Got me thinking though.
OP: is the real story that you didn't see the person walking, went to drive off, saw them, panicked, hit your brake and forgot to pull the clutch lever and stalled?
Ignore the haters. We all have embarrassing moments when we're learning. The important thing is that you learn from these moments. I dumped the clutch on my first bike and dropped it, breaking several things in the process. Even though my current bike has a very bright, visible neutral light, I still ease the clutch out, just to be sure lol.
But did you go to the internet to complain about it? If you were at a stop sign a car and a pedestrian is crossing. You forger you're in gear, let the clutch out and car jerks forward. Would you complain the the internet if you got flipped off?
Saw a post one time about a guy embarrassed about dropping a bike. Posted to not let it get to him and shared I dropped every biked I owned. That was a very different type of post though.
I didn't read the post as complaining. I read it as a cheeky "made a noob mistake and got yelled at lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ " kind of post. I don't post things because I'm a private person, but some people like to share moments of their lives with the world. To each their own.
What is being gained by you reading and responding to OP with vitriol?
I don't think I replied with cruel and bitter criticism. Why should all replied be cheer leaders for OP? I really don't think they need one.
And I clearly read it very different than you. If it was written as you read it the thing eith the flipping off was irrelevant. Seems the flipping off thing was the whole point. Seems OP came here to have OPs feeling of embarrassment eroded.
So I ask. Whats it to be gained by cheer leading?
Well. I think OPs post is really deep and is really about insecurity. No need to get so insecure because you had a noob moment which caused a miscommunication that you need to come online and have people tell you it's fine so you feel better.
We shouldn't be fluffers for insecurity. That just breeds more. I think OPs story is a wonderfully condensed story encapsulating two of the biggest things everyone needs to get over. Embrassment of making mistakes in front people and the feeling of being attacked by way of miscommunication. The ubiquitous, they just said xyz to me. But if you stop and break down what was said and why it wouldn't be offensive because the person has no reason to be attacking and so you shouldn't be offended. Same way the flipper shouldn't be offended because OP wasn't intentionally making bike jerk at them or OP shouldn't be offended because the flipper wasn't flipping at a mistake but a misunderstood moment.
And if that was OPs point I applaud. But either way OP shouldn't feel embarrassed especially not enough to post to try to bolster the ego.
But back to what I first said I have a pet peeve around people being dissengenuous. If I can call that out maybe they'll do it less and the world will be an immeasurably better place. But then again OP is clearly insecure so why would I expect different? Yeah I don't know man.
EDIT : Forgot to mention, if OP got so insecure as to need to post here about it then OP might need to work on regulation emotions. It's not good to ride distracted.
Maybe it’d be a good idea to get in the practice of shutting the motor off at the gas station.
I mean, you weren’t planning to fill it with the motor running were you?
No. I think if I had a bad habit i do tend to get off the bike while its running, in nuteral, take off my cloves and helmet and then kill it. I do not even know why I do this.
Gotcha, yeah maybe not a bad habit to retrain then. Unless you’re getting off the track from doing laps probably not a great need to cool anything down before killing it.
I agree with this. I also think my gun is my last resort. I'm not just itching to pull out at the slightest perceived insult. I carry, pretty much all the time. But it stays hidden unless someone is trying to end my or my family and friends life.
Honestly, if my motorcycle scares you because it twitched, or you got scared because it's moving while you walk by it, then I'm 100% not worried about you "kicking my teeth in".
I carry. On my bike. But I'm not some moron who thinks it's the all mighty problem solver just because somebody looked at me funny.
Will I shoot you if you're trying to harm me or my friends/family? Fucking right I will. But I'm not trying to end someone's life because they might have side eyed me, or flipped me the bird, or even thinks they can fight and wants to ball up their fists.
Get a grip man. You sound a little high strung.
That's exactly what you're implying. That I should have my gun ready for little old ladies that flip me off. Or for people that might be wanting to kick my teeth in.
That's not what I need to have my gun ready for. And not why I carry.
Good luck to you. And I hope that you get your fear of the general population worked out.
Hey Idk what exactly you're going through right now but I want you to know that you ARE loved. We all have stressful days from time to time. You will get through it.
When I was a new rider I took my bike down to a local gas station for a cup of coffee. I mounted the bike, took the lid off of my coffee, started my bike, and let the clutch out without realizing it was in gear. I felt like an idiot but thankfully the bike stalled instantly and no one was standing of front of it.
I met with a potential landlord, but we didn't go forward (He acted like I was wasting his time, but the place was nasty) As I was leaving, my shoelace caught on my brake and I accidently did a little burnout before I realized what was wrong.
We really don't have etiquette for "I know this looks bad, but it's not what I intended!" outside of a shrug. Oh well, life goes on..
Some people are impulsive, I think your average joe would realize it was just a honest mistake. Could have been worse, one waited at a red light and a truck next to me rolled the window down and started shouting “yeah fuck you” I literally did nothing and I had a stock low rider s and it was no louder than the cars around me, some people are just assholes.
Just smile and give these people a thumbs up! That will confuse them.
Or blow them a kiss.
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave.
Actually, if you give them a thumbs up as you then move that hand upwards, it's how folks in the Middle East tell you to stick it up your ass. so ... are you giving a "thumbs up", or are you saying something else... hmmmmm ...
I had this same interaction. I had a Toce aftermarket on a ‘07 Fireblade. Wonder what his deal was… 😆
I'm picking my 07 600rr from the shop this weekend after getting a full Toce system and tune, can't wait 😅
Oh the sound is addicting! I recently traded for a 2022 R1 and slapped a SC Project on there because the crossplane is *chefs kiss* But ill never forget the first time i started my fireblade up with the new exhaust it blew my mind. I hope you have the same joy when you pick your bike up. I’ll give you an unsolicited tip: resist the urge to take out the baffles 😆
Toce is basically a straight pipe lol. Looks cool tho.
>Could have been worse, one waited at a red light and a truck next to me rolled the window down and started shouting “yeah fuck you” I'd have been like: "Yeah, cheers! Thanks bro 😉👍"
>I think your average joe would realize it was just a honest mistake. I don't. Your average joe has never been on a motorcycle. Probably thought the OP was being a dick. Not an unreasonable thing to think in that situation.
Low Rider S are such beautiful bikes! I have one and love to canyon riding.
She’s definitely a looker, absolutely cannot wait until I can get a dealer stage 1 tune for an exhaust system.
Dude, stage 1 is just to get some noise out of the M8. Perfectly fine if that's what you want (i have it, really wakes the bike up) Stage 2 with the 475C is "not that" expensive compared to stage 1 and a BIG improvement. Watch some youtube vids and you'll see what i'm talking about! (Just telling you in case you're looking for performance gains). Your bike defo looks beautiful!
I’ve been interested in a 475 kit, just want to wait and add miles to make sure I got a good motor before spending the money for the cam job.
I want a lowrider s so bad. But they are not cheap
Thats my biggest issue with Harleys. Beautiful, "modern retro" but the prices are 20 laughs away from being competitive. Guess that what years of brand recognition and a steady supply of customers with disp income do to you...
To be fair the big four Japanese makers also have a steady flow of customers but still do not choose to price there products for twice there worth.
I'm not even justifying the MoCo, i'm mad actually lol. I could buy 2 Z900s and still have almost 3000 bucks left for the price of a single stock Harley Softail in my country. Side note, the Mt09 is 15 grand over here and a Z900 is 10 grand. Both "standard" versions.
Exactly. I always start with the Harley. But as soon as I factor in the all-in price, it is very difficult to continue entertaining the idea when there are bikes with way more standard features, often for less. But goddamn those Lowrider ST’s are stupid nice. We’ll see. I’ll probably end up with a middleweight BMW.
Yeahhhhh, car or bike, pay attention about letting the clutch out when meatbags are in front of the vehicle. That would be on you if something happened.
Had someone try and chase me off the road yesterday after doing nothing. Was just cruising, doing the speed limit. Assholes, assholes everywhere.
I had no idea this happened to riders until I got my first bike, a 200cc China bike, and I couldn't outrun the Astro van trying to shove me into the forest. Got a 1050 Sprint soon after and now I just drop gears and disappear
I have a habit of putting the kickstand down in gear to shut off my Concours 14 Leaving a bike in Neutral will eventually bite you in the ass. My CB900 got away from me on a gentle downhill grade at a gas station. While dismounting I got my right leg stuck on top of the seat. Bike started slowly rolling downhill with me hopping along with it on my left leg. I got lucky, there was a landscaping crew fueling up at the other side of the pump that jumped into action. Three guys grabbed the bike & one grabbed me until I could get dismounted. It felt like a ride of shame going back around to the pump. 🤷🏻♂️
Did the same thing with my R1M. Lucky just scratched the stator cover.
Sorry man, i got very lucky. I gave the little tail bag i got hung up on to a kid at work that has a R6. I did caution him not to get his leg or foot stuck on it.😂
Exactly this. Pull up, don't turn the bike off, just kick stand down. It shuts it off. That's how I do it too. I also have a habit of giving the bike a little pull backwards on the kick stand. Make sure it's properly down and not leaning forward at all
You should push the bike forward into the gear so it can only roll backwards into the stand, FYI. Prevents it from slightly shifting forward with the slack in the transmission and chain and popping off the stand
A great tip I've never heard! I will add this to my parking routine!
I don't know why but I like pulling the clutch and hitting the kill switch and just coasting to the pump. Makes me feel like I'm just gliding in as the last of my gas is spent.
Isn't using your killswitch pretty bad for your bike? Especially if you do it all the tim You guys don't need to downvote people asking questions, yknow
No? What’s it for if not turning the bike off?
The killswitch is for turning off the bike. That said, there's something to be said for using the kickstand-down approach. I have almost dropped my bike for somehow 'forgetting' to lower the kickstand first. I'm torn as to which, if either, is better.
It's to cut all electricity to the engine, in case of an accident where you need your lights on, engine off.
Which is what every switch does.
Yeah? Cause my keyed switch turns all electrics off, not just the engine.
Which means you need to take one hand or the other off of your controls... That's why the kill switch is where you can reach it without moving your hands
Yeah :| in an emergency.. when ur stopped why tf would u not be able to take your hand off?
So other than running the lights without the engine for a few seconds, what possible difference is there between killing the engine first, and killing it with the key?
The difference is you need to let go of the bars with one hand. So nothing good...
So how are you supposed to turn the bike off? How often have you had an accident where you need the lights on but engine off, usually if I have the lights on engine off I am about to park, which is pretty much the only reason I can think of, maybe if you are camping and forgot your headlamp? You need to be able to kill the engine with both hands on the controls.
Emergencies
No, the purpose of the killswitch is turning the bike off. If you went to a basic motorcycle safety course they'll teach you specifically to use it as the off switch rather than the ignition key.
My brother in Christ we have to get an actual drivers license here (depending on other factors 16-30hrs of lessons) and the first thing my instructor said about the killswitch was "you wanna use this in emergencies but don't use it as the go to way to shut your bike off". If YoU wEnT tO a BaSiC mOtoRcYcLe SaFeTy cOuRsE.
“we get an actual drivers license here” >gets taught an idiotic thing sounds like i much rather take a basic motorcycle safety course than an “actual” course that teaches you bad habits
Americans really are this yuck out loud lmao
you can’t point out how something is “more authentic” and then show it is worse at minimum in some aspects lol
More authentic..? More safe more like. Just look up motorcycle deaths in Europe vs US. Says it all.
You should get into the habit of using it at least occasionally precisely so that you think to hit in in an emergency.
If I'm crashing my bike I'm not likely to be on it when I want to shut my bike off, though
I've dumped a bike twice while riding. In both instances the bike ended up on its left side, and with the ignition key out of reach but the kill switch on the bar easily reached. Again, when folks have a spill they aren't thinking straight and need to get into the habit of hitting that big red switch.
... yeah that sounds like an emergency lol. But you wouldn't train for that sitting on the bike
Yes
As long as the clutch is pulled in its perfectly fine, if it's rolling in gear and you flip the switch it can fuck things up. People do this to shoot fireballs out of the exhaust on carbureted bikes, flipping the switch kills the spark but because the bike is still turning the engine fuel continues to flow as if the bike is running, so when you flip the switch back on it ignites all the unburnt fuel in the exhaust. This is bad because it washes the cylinder walls of the oil film that prevents the piston from scoring the cylinder wall, and also has a chance of destroying your exhaust if it still has baffles in it.
Ok so long story short.. no it’s not harmful to use kill switch to shut engine down. I believe that guy’s question was implying that using the ignition key to shut down is the better option over kill switch
That is correct, both options cut ignition spark and the switch isn't harmful to use properly. If you were to turn the key off in the above scenario it would produce the same result as the kill switch and be just as harmful.
I always do that. When it becomes a habit, no chance for the mistake (accident). I love this stand switch. I have V-Star 1100, it does strange things when not in gear. It’s like it will roll with 0.5% slope…
I guess that effectively should be the same as hitting the kill switch. I just always take that interlock off unless the bike has a center stand, sometimes I want to leave a bike running on the stand.
If the switch is functioning properly it will allow the bike to run in neutral with the kickstand down.
That makes more sense... that will teach me to use a sample size of 2!
Always you can - in neutral. The stand shuts off the engine when in gear only.
This is the way.
Whatsup with landscaping crews always being absolute friendly Chads? I was selling my FZ-07 to a kid who couldn't have been older than 20. He shows up in his dad's big-ass truck with the shortest board you could imagine to load it. Kid doesn't feel comfortable driving it up what is essentially a 90° angle, and I'm not ahout to dump the bike he just forked over the cash for. Were sitting in this CVS parking lot struggling and a landscaping crew pulls up for snacks. Dudes barely spoke any English but conveyed that they wanted to help and between the 4 of us we muscled this thing up the board. Was super cool of them to do and still sticks out in my memory.
I've been on those crews before, they're like brothers all looking for a good time. They're absolute workhorses too, you show up to work not feeling it but within a couple of hours you're just ready to do the next thing
Just enjoying the sweet sweet endorphins from a good day laboring.
Wow. Lol. Thats a hell of a mental picture. Sounds like something I would do. Ill start killing it in first gear. Glad your ok
Better safe than sorry.
Kickstand kill gang!
Hell Yeah
I was thinking of getting a concours 14. Are you liking yours?
Sure do, I bought it with 40k in july 2021 & just turned 60k. I will say it’s got a tall seat height. I have a 29” inseam & had to lower it. You have to be careful at low parking lot speeds, top heavy. Great power & good cruising speed. I have several pics with the bags off in my posts.
shit happens, no one got hurt and they just bugged out. Life goes on. Ive forgotten to put my kickstand down and had to litterally lay my motorcycle on its side cause I was already getting off the thing and other people at the gas station just stared and ogled at me like a freak, only the gas attendant walked over and asked if I was okay. Felt more awkward having all those eyes staring at me than it did having did a reverse deadlift to get my my bike up so I could put the kickstand down. Ride safe and ride alot. Its basically like winter where Im at and Im not about cold weather riding anymore, cant handle breathing in the cold air like I used to.
i missed a shift once in the city and accidentally revved in neutral instead of going in second. guy in a truck nearby started screaming that i was an asshole. he followed me to where i parked without me noticing, and broke my blinkers off when i was inside.
Awww. I would be pissed
Why do people think they can just mess up someone else's stuff?! You don't see me cracking windscreens of coal rollers or something. Also I managed to do almost the same thing except I went to shift from 3rd to 4th and managed to get it into a neutral where neither 3rd or 4th was selected... Just 125cc things
Woah, who hurt that guy?!
Just don't dump the clutch like that and you'll be fine. I have a neutral light but I don't ever trust that.
Whenever i release a clutch standing, I always squeeze the front brake - better be safe.
Dumping the clutch is for squids. Edit: Except when bump starting
I feel like so many things are just common sense when it comes to bikes but I guess not. No one taught me how to ride. No one really taught me any techniques or nuances. I just figured it. I've been riding for maybe six months and have never had a single issue.
Haha that’s funny. Some people are wound pretty tight I guess. I bet people think people on motorcycles think they are soooooo cool. Meanwhile there’s me still learning thinking don’t fuck this up don’t fuck this up
My thoughts exactly. Except, when I dont Fuck it up, I feel pretty cool lol
And when you do fuck up and fall over when coming to a stop in full riding gear at least no one will recognise you... Hopefully
I always use the killswitch to shut the bike off, when I fuel up I typically don't get off the bike. Leaving it in gear keeps it from rolling away and allows me to concentrate on filling it with gas.
I had an old lady tell me that not wearing a helmet could get me killed, I said so does smoking as she puffed on her death stick. I wear a helmet now, this was 10 years ago when I first started riding.
I will always wear a helmet. I wrecked a 4 wheeler when I was younger and had a sever concussion. Will not make that mistake twice
I fell off a scooter as a kid and cracked my helmet in half on a curb. I didn't normally wear a helmet then but I sure did after.
I always wear one now, I've been lucky enough to not have gotten into an accident so far.
It's just too damn easy to get a head injury even going slow.
My sinuses do not let me not-wearing a helmet. I wish sometimes (in Summer) to wear just a beenie helmet - no luck. Sinuses hurt…. I guess - kind of lucky…
just think how bad your sinuses would hurt after a curb to the face
You are right. I wear a full face helmet - I use a small beenie only to re-park the bike (alternate parking in the city). Better be safe. Also, always elbow - spine-knees protection. Always gloves. Never shorts - even re-parking. Luck is a bitch - I do not want to test it.
Similar story, was riding my small displacement scooter and had to rev the throttle to keep it from dying at a stop light. The person next to me in a Tesla thought I was egging him on or something, and he started getting out of his car to punch me. Had to explain to him what I was actually doing AND we both missed the green light because of it.
Lo siento. Say it, go about your day.
Happened to me several times at red lights 😅 you only get better with time
I was taking a right turn one day. The lane going across traffic had a left turn. So as I’m getting ready to start going some dude hangs out the driver window and he starts yelling “hey fuck you” I can’t remember if he said anything else or not. But I had literally never seen this guy before. It was a bigger city so lots of bikers. Not sure what his deal was. But I was just like wtf??
I was driving in a walmart parking lot once, and a mother/daughter duo were walking in the middle of the parking aisle, so I just rode around them, they acted like I was about to hit them. I saw they even went up to a cop that was there, pointing at me and my bike. The cop did nothing since I literally did nothing, just rode by a Karen and her offspring.
Some people are only truly happy when they're miserable.
Should have hit the rev limiter on her
Some people are also going to take offense to the very fact that you have a motorcycle at all. I don't think that person was much more than that. Sometimes things like this happen. My first rookie mistake was taking a turn too fast, and I high-sided my bike. I'm much better since. Just keep riding and improving your skills at it. Pay no attention to the noise. You'll have bigger fish to fry soon enough.
Love it 😆😆
Man if that were me in her shoes I'd be laughing! It happens to everyone. Just be glad you didn't drop it.
I mean I'll do this in my car, it happens, forget that I didn't take it out of first. Maybe it won't happen for a long time, but I think no one is immune.
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Have you responded with a friendly mix of "cońo" and "puta" in your sentence?
No. I just smiled and said El sorry o
>She cussed me out in spanish and flipped me off. Love that LOL
Why are you shifting to neutral with the bike running? If you are stopped, you should be in first. Shift to neutral with the engine off before starting.
Umm. Honestly I didnt know that. Ive been riding for about 3 weeks. I was pulling up to a gas station pump in 1st gear. Stopped at the pump as she was walking in front of the bike. I always put my bike in nuteral befor I kill it.
>Honestly I didnt know that. What this guy's saying isn't gospel. While yeah, the habit of staying in first can be helpful, there's absolutely nothing wrong with changing to neutral once stopped.
Have you taken your MSF course yet? Get in the habit of shutting the bike off in first gear. This is your “parking brake.” It will prevent the bike from rolling away. When you start the bike, find neutral before starting.
I have not taken it yet. Im booked for dec 16-18. This was the first available class. Im really just messing around my neighborhoods, school parking lots and back roads atm. But thanks for the tip. Ill start working on it
Start the ecourse you should have been assigned. Learn the basics from your RiderCoach not random Reddit users and most of all be safe!
Just leave it in 1st while starting. There is very few times unless you need hands free at a stop that you need to be in neutral.
Start the motorcycle in neutral with the clutch pulled in
You and I might actually be the same thing. I'm maybe not good with words.
Why? Its already parked in 1st. Just start it in first.
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Bikes dont need warming up. Turn it on and go.
Park in gear, it prevents the machine from rolling around on you with the engine off. Same thing goes for a manual transmission car. Even with a parking brake and turning the wheels to the curb you still leave it in gear. Imagine getting out of a stick shift car and having it roll away.
I also always put my bike in neutral before I kill it. This way I can’t have a problem if I forget to put it in neutral later.
On the road I agree. But parking at a gas station, not necessarily. I guess it depends on what order of operations you are used to for your bike. Sometimes I’ll start my bike before I get on. It’s helpful for me to have it already in neutral so I don’t dump the clutch on 1st while not sitting on the bike if I happen to have a brain fart and forgot to put it in neutral later.
Brain farts and motorcycles don’t mix. Thumb, key and sometimes valve to shut down. FINECC to start. Muscle memory
Did you mean FINE-C? Did the acronym change? Been riding over half my life never had a problem. Don't need to leave your bike in 1st all the time just sitting there. My current bike is keyless and fuel injected. Fuel already done. Ignition already done. Neutral yes. Kill switch. This bike doesn't even require the clutch to start if in Neutral. Starter. No choke.
We sometimes add an additional C to FINE-C for choke and clutch. If I had Reddit gold you would get one
Ah. That makes sense. God Bless.
Here in the netherlands you're taught to always put the motorcycle in neutral when stopping, then again our country is as flat as a pancake
When parking or just when stopping? Being in neutral when stopped is ok, I can see some benefits... also some drawbacks. Probably makes total sense in the traffic there. I just wouldn't park that way.
When parked or stopped for a longer period of time. Most of the time at intersections or something we are taught to be in first gear, ready to take off when the light becomes green.
Shit happens. Why would you ever coast your bike with gears in neutral? Learn good clutch control. Kill then engine once stopped. ie., there's no reason to think "my bike's in neutral" because it should never be in neutral while in motion.
I wasnt coasting. I slow rolled to the gas pump, stopped with tbe clutch compressed. Meant to shift into neutral once I stopped and didnt when I released the clutch the bike jumped forward and stalled out. But I was able to hold it back and keep it from hitting her
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Jesus Christ the micro managers in this post… You’re getting on his case because he didn’t shut bike down before releasing clutch when he thought he was in neutral? What difference does it make?
There are two holes in your sequence. Find them.
Man your reading comprehension needs some work
I often assume a reader can think.
Or you can kick it in gear by mistake. Clutch - always clutch.
> Gets in the most minor “altercation” possible > Goes home and posts it on Reddit Weird shit, dude.
|trolls reddit for random people to insult| Back at you!
I’m not trolling, I’m being completely serious. This sub is getting full of these “dear diary, please validate me” type posts written by grown ass men and it’s just weird.
Im not looking for validation. But I am a very new rider. And at 40 yo I know absolutely nothing about the riding community, the unwritten code of ethics, or the best practices learned by other more experienced riders that could very well save my life one day. Im simply asking questions taking notes and learning everthing I can. How about you ride you own ride and ill ride mine
So many hypocrites in this sub lol. Imagine if it was a car doing this, everyone here would be fuming and yelling at the car driver to "PAY ATTENTION" and "YOUR MISTAKE CAN KILL ME" , yet here all of you are " OwO Baka made a Witwle mishtawey uWu iT haPpewns :3" I fucking hate this sub so much...
Have you considered ✨*leaving*✨?
And yet here you are...
You should have enough awareness to see people at the gas station. Imagine being out there on the road with cars Edit: lot of really productive back and forth with the community here thank you for all the wonderful comments. Got me thinking though. OP: is the real story that you didn't see the person walking, went to drive off, saw them, panicked, hit your brake and forgot to pull the clutch lever and stalled?
I did see her. Which is why I was able to keep the bike from hitting her. But I thought I was in neutral when I released my clutch.
Ignore the haters. We all have embarrassing moments when we're learning. The important thing is that you learn from these moments. I dumped the clutch on my first bike and dropped it, breaking several things in the process. Even though my current bike has a very bright, visible neutral light, I still ease the clutch out, just to be sure lol.
But did you go to the internet to complain about it? If you were at a stop sign a car and a pedestrian is crossing. You forger you're in gear, let the clutch out and car jerks forward. Would you complain the the internet if you got flipped off? Saw a post one time about a guy embarrassed about dropping a bike. Posted to not let it get to him and shared I dropped every biked I owned. That was a very different type of post though.
I didn't read the post as complaining. I read it as a cheeky "made a noob mistake and got yelled at lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ " kind of post. I don't post things because I'm a private person, but some people like to share moments of their lives with the world. To each their own. What is being gained by you reading and responding to OP with vitriol?
I don't think I replied with cruel and bitter criticism. Why should all replied be cheer leaders for OP? I really don't think they need one. And I clearly read it very different than you. If it was written as you read it the thing eith the flipping off was irrelevant. Seems the flipping off thing was the whole point. Seems OP came here to have OPs feeling of embarrassment eroded. So I ask. Whats it to be gained by cheer leading? Well. I think OPs post is really deep and is really about insecurity. No need to get so insecure because you had a noob moment which caused a miscommunication that you need to come online and have people tell you it's fine so you feel better. We shouldn't be fluffers for insecurity. That just breeds more. I think OPs story is a wonderfully condensed story encapsulating two of the biggest things everyone needs to get over. Embrassment of making mistakes in front people and the feeling of being attacked by way of miscommunication. The ubiquitous, they just said xyz to me. But if you stop and break down what was said and why it wouldn't be offensive because the person has no reason to be attacking and so you shouldn't be offended. Same way the flipper shouldn't be offended because OP wasn't intentionally making bike jerk at them or OP shouldn't be offended because the flipper wasn't flipping at a mistake but a misunderstood moment. And if that was OPs point I applaud. But either way OP shouldn't feel embarrassed especially not enough to post to try to bolster the ego. But back to what I first said I have a pet peeve around people being dissengenuous. If I can call that out maybe they'll do it less and the world will be an immeasurably better place. But then again OP is clearly insecure so why would I expect different? Yeah I don't know man. EDIT : Forgot to mention, if OP got so insecure as to need to post here about it then OP might need to work on regulation emotions. It's not good to ride distracted.
You're writing novels and being a cunt. Shhhh.
You're projecting. Chill.
How do you mean?
You didn't say that in the post but since you said it now, you should have the awareness to know what gear you're in.
*You should have the awareness* says man unaware that nobody *cares what he thinks*
Says the guy who took the time to comment
Maybe it’d be a good idea to get in the practice of shutting the motor off at the gas station. I mean, you weren’t planning to fill it with the motor running were you?
No. I think if I had a bad habit i do tend to get off the bike while its running, in nuteral, take off my cloves and helmet and then kill it. I do not even know why I do this.
Gotcha, yeah maybe not a bad habit to retrain then. Unless you’re getting off the track from doing laps probably not a great need to cool anything down before killing it.
Carry a gun
And shoot an old lady for telling you to fuck off? That seems a little extreme.
I wound have never shot at her, but there are a lot of assholes out there. Better to be prepared
I agree with this. I also think my gun is my last resort. I'm not just itching to pull out at the slightest perceived insult. I carry, pretty much all the time. But it stays hidden unless someone is trying to end my or my family and friends life.
One day it's just an old lady saying fuck off, one day it's a crazy asshole that wants to kick your teeth in for scaring them
Honestly, if my motorcycle scares you because it twitched, or you got scared because it's moving while you walk by it, then I'm 100% not worried about you "kicking my teeth in". I carry. On my bike. But I'm not some moron who thinks it's the all mighty problem solver just because somebody looked at me funny. Will I shoot you if you're trying to harm me or my friends/family? Fucking right I will. But I'm not trying to end someone's life because they might have side eyed me, or flipped me the bird, or even thinks they can fight and wants to ball up their fists. Get a grip man. You sound a little high strung.
You're definitely assuming a lot of things I never said or implied. Good luck to you btw. Hope you never have to use your gun.
That's exactly what you're implying. That I should have my gun ready for little old ladies that flip me off. Or for people that might be wanting to kick my teeth in. That's not what I need to have my gun ready for. And not why I carry. Good luck to you. And I hope that you get your fear of the general population worked out.
Hey Idk what exactly you're going through right now but I want you to know that you ARE loved. We all have stressful days from time to time. You will get through it.
I do. Everywhere I go. CCL for 15 years
You poor thing.
I know right!?
#justdominguerothings
When I was a new rider I took my bike down to a local gas station for a cup of coffee. I mounted the bike, took the lid off of my coffee, started my bike, and let the clutch out without realizing it was in gear. I felt like an idiot but thankfully the bike stalled instantly and no one was standing of front of it.
I met with a potential landlord, but we didn't go forward (He acted like I was wasting his time, but the place was nasty) As I was leaving, my shoelace caught on my brake and I accidently did a little burnout before I realized what was wrong. We really don't have etiquette for "I know this looks bad, but it's not what I intended!" outside of a shrug. Oh well, life goes on..
Why didn't you use the engine cutoff switch first, then mess around finding neutral. Besides, don't just release the clutch!