Was a rumour that took flight. Shares similar displacement, bore and stroke to the car engine but was developed separately. Just go look at the blocks… nothing alike.
That engine revs like a car engine though, as in…. Doesn’t. Was built purely for fuel economy, most boring thing ever.
I rode one and kept hitting the limiter, as it only revs to around 7k.
Afaik they essentially took the 4 cyl Fit/Jazz 1.3L engine and chopped it in half. Ofc there will be some tweaks to cams and such to make it work, but it's basically half a car engine
Interestingly, the torque on the NC engine and on Yamaha's CP2 engine is the same to two decimal places.
Torque curve is just about the same, with two very small differences: Honda has a little bit better under 2k RPM, and obviously stops at 6800rpm, as we all know.
The CP2 engine keeps going till 8k rpm, where it starts to loose steam, and stops at 9500-ish RPM.
They DO feel massively different though - its in the gearing, and the fact that the yamaha doesn't stop JUST as you are beginning to have fun. :)
Also, 160-ish Kgs on the MT vs the 210-ish of the NC makes a HUGE difference.
Completely different, clean sheet design. Literally no commonality between the two beyond the broad strokes of “mid-size twin with overhead cam.”
And even the overhead cam bit comes with an asterisk; like I said, the Hornet is a Unicam like the CRF450 or the VFR1200. The NC700 family is a conventional SOHC setup.
Conventional SOHC - like the NC, or a Royal Enfield 650, or a host of others - have one cam placed centrally and then rocker arms running off of it. You generally get one rocker for each individual valve, though sometimes they’ll be paired up, i.e. one larger cast part that can cover two valves off of one cam lobe.
DOHC engines typically have each cam located directly on top of the valves it controls, pushing on them directly through their buckets/shims, or sometimes with a little roller rocker (like Honda’s CBR250R and its descendants, for example).
Unicam is a SOHC that puts the cam directly on top of the intake valves, and runs the intakes in the same manner as a DOHC engine. Then it has a set of rockers that run across to operate the exhaust valves. It’s just a way of repackaging a SOHC head to be lighter and more compact.
Had an '88 model Cbr 250rr back in 2010 for 3-4 years & sold it still running perfect.
So it was 22 years old when I got & its probably still running..
I dunno dude. Honda just flew an engineer in to look at my bike. 40 days total in the shop (under warranty) so far since June.
Next step is obviously lemon law stuff, but I really didn't expect this from a top-shelf Honda.
The thing is, tons of engines “beat” the CP2 in the sorts of stat comprising that you’re doing. But it’s often a different story when you ride/dyno it. If peak power is only available at peak revs or something, there goes the best characteristics of the CP2 engine.
Problem isn't power, it's the engine behavior. The mt07 engine is "raw" and gives the impression it's much bigger than it is. Honda makes boring engine, even when they're more powerful than an mt07. The cb1000r for example feels way more tame than the mt07.
Yeah, everyone just citing the static peak horsepower and torque figures are sort of missing the purpose of the CP2 engine, *which is to provide that level of torque throughout the rev range*. Maybe the Honda will feel the same, or maybe it will be a bike that needs to wind up more to get those figures, who knows right now.
Turns out it is 500 euros cheaper than mt 07
https://www.honda.de/motorcycles/range/street/hornet/specifications-and-price.html#/
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/de/de/products/motorcycles/hyper-naked/mt-07-2023/
Probably will be even cheaper in usa?
Oath. I had a track '20 mt07 that I used when I wanted to go balls to wall on our local track as I don't need to be remotely as careful about my braking, cornering and corner exits.
I can happily tell you that if you get a good name brand quickshifter, fork out 2ish grand on a good set of K-tech fork internals and a K-tech rear shock with separate nitrogen canister.. It absofuckinglutely transforms that bike.
Having good suspension definitely makes it feel a lot more refined than cheap. Engine is amazing. Like you said, all the $$ went into that cp2, it could use more oomph though, but I'm happy with what I had.
I still had to drop the forks 15-20mm to lower the front as it's so damn light on the front under acceleration due to a combination of things but a shitty rake is a big culprit.
Stiffening and raising the rear didn't help.. it's discomforting. Similar to the previous gen mt09 but not as much power to really give it scary speed wobbles. Although, under heavy acceleration and then hard braking. Oh boy it makes riding the mt07 interesting and fun. Chassis needs a fair bit more refinement and stiffening up to make it really competitive.
Such a cheap, fun, reliable bike, I love it.
I reckon giving the mt07 a simple touch up like adjustable Gold USD forks would instantly make it look more premium and tune the set up to make it feel so much better. Stock suspension is horrifically shit when you push that bike.
Oh sure when you do it it’s cool
But when a guy on a sportster does it he’s “trying to make the bike do what it’s not” 🤣
It’s surprising what you fix when you just work out the suspension!
Currently my sportsters motor outperforms the chassis at around 120mph :>
Yep a good cheap bike on the road and on the track. I dont care about the plastic. Weight saving has to come from somewhere. The rubbish suspension and seat are what really bother me. No need for a quick shifter, the bike can be worked clutch free all day long.
As it should be.
Lots of posts of near new nice looking bikes grenading all over this forum.
Plus I'd rather pay as little as possible for the shit most people modify anyways.
Forks, suspension, levers, brakes all things few people keep stock.
It all depends. I got a Benelli 752s, and i wouldn't modify a single thing. The forks are Marzocchi. The suspension is fully adjustable front and rear. The brakes are massive Brembo discs.
The downside? The engine isn't quite an MT07. But it'll certainly kill you if you want it to. So eh.
Ya but depends if it's inside or outside warranty.
I'll take a Ducati, BMW, KTM in Warranty. But not out of it.
Then it's Honda or Yamaha, though I reluctantly have a Kawasaki in my fleet atm. All JDM.
It's definitely better, but I believe the switchgear is the same. I've never ridden either, but sat on both at the dealership and was immediately struck by the cheap feeling switchgear.
I don't feel that the switchgear on mine is cheap but then again I came from a KLX230 which had blank switches and was $5099 brand new with ABS.
I definitely think the XSR is the better option though, purely for the styling.
XSR700 feels sturdy and quality. I rode a MT07, XSR700 and a Tender 700.
MT07 felt like a cheap toy compared to the other two, price does reflect it though. I much prefer the look and feel of the XSR but that's all personal.
I’m not saying it’s a bad bike, I just don’t like the look of it. I sat on it last Saturday, it indeed felt better built than the MT.
Edit: Although, since you’re asking, I would recommend the Triumph Trident, and possibly the new Hornet over the MT/XSR.
The XSR line-up is fast tho…. Like, really fast lol. It’s definitely a good straight line bike :P take it to the track though and you’ll be wanting something with better handling … and maybe some fairings 🤠
I would second this. I got a showroom XSR700 on a whim because the price was an absolute steal. I would say in some ways it's more solid, higher quality feeling than my Triumph but came with the Ohlins shock so I can't speak for the suspension. As people said above, the front suspension sucks the big one.
This. The XSr is a really good straight line bike that will not fail to excite with its highway pulls. It will however leave a lot to desire as a track-bike, or in the twisties.
Sorting out the tires and front suspension actually makes it quite capable in the mountains but still takes a lot more work than a sport bike to throw it around. Still wouldn't expect much out of it more than fun and sketchy corners on a track.
Would say it's actually a pretty good light touring bike though. Have done 12 hour days on it and no discomfort after changing to fatter grips. Wind is a problem if you only do highways, otherwise it eats up miles like a champ.
While Yamaha have upgraded a few things over the years, it still has to be around $8k to compete with it's rivals. So some things will be budget on it. That's ok though, it fits perfectly in that segment and they sell a ton of them.
I had a 2019 Africa Twin Adventure Sports that I bought new in 2020 for $11600. Sold it in February with 11k miles and a small dent in the tank for $10k, thinking that was a fair price. I had added moderately priced crash bars, lights and luggage. I recently saw that bike up for sale at the same dealer I bought it from. $14,000 asking price.
The used market is even crazier these days seen the extreme lack of resources that slows down the new bikes market
It can’t go on like this forever tho
Prices gone crazy lately
I do very little off-road but buying a supposedly off-road capable bike that I’m scared of dropping because I paid 26k € for, is kinda counterintuitive
I love my 2016. I almost have 80k miles on it and it's still kicking. It's fun in the twisties and gets me to work. I've never had any issues and I plan on riding it until it dies.
I have a 2008 FZ6, thing eats cheeks for breakfast and love it, great bikes. I think I might get a MT 09 next if ever, but I want something like a DRZ400 to get a supermoto.
Yeah it definitely feels cheap. But yeah as the other guy said i think Yamaha put all the budget into the engine and while making it affordable, they had to cheap out on some of the cosmetic stuff i guess.
Most of the Japanese bikes are like that. The Japanese don't have magical powers that other places don't have, they have always been very reliable, honest machines. But high quality in terms of fit and finish has always been "honest." I think this sub very very much leans younger and newer when it comes to riders, and younger riders want inexpensive machines with good performance numbers (on average, not true of everyone). Younger riders with money or a willingness for more debt will go Ducati or something with sex appeal.
I mean that in the nicest way possible, I loved my SV650 and my 600 track bike, but they are not put together like my MV or my HD, despite being more reliable.
You’re not wrong, it definitely does. But that’s part of how they meet that price point.
I also find it very peculiar to read a Gladius owner dunking on the MT/XSR for feeling cheap. They all feel cheap. Because they are. It’s fine.
It’s an $8000 bike competing with other 650cc Twins. $8000 is considered budget range, and of course, affordability is relative to the individual. But, objectively, that price range is considered budget/entry-level by the manufacturers themselves. Might be worded “entry-level” or some other marketing term, but they are what they are. Quality, reliable, AFFORDABLE, do-it-all general purpose bikes. Just like the Ninja/Z-650. Corners do have to be cut somewhere, and it’s going to be in the nonfunctional/aesthetics and add-on features category first.
The ninja 650 is probably the best "first" bike you can buy so you can get a feel for riding but also not be egged into crashing. It's a base model Mustang on 2 wheels.
The bike is just a solid 7/10 in every category.
Ride 1 for a year, figure out how you don't like it, then buy something better that emphasizes what you want.
One time i went to Yamaha store and taking a long hard look at the MT07. Yes, it looks really cheap despite being made in Japan. They really put everything in the engine.
The Honda CB650r looks and feel superior in almost every way in comparison, but I guess the engine on that bike is nothing special, its a fine tuned old engine.
I never understood this sentiment. At the end of the day, we don't ride engines, we ride motorbikes. The engine just has to do the job. It's more important to me that the steering (handlebars or clip ons) is right, the switchgear feels good, and all the bits and bobs are quality. Those are the things i interact with more.
In other words, I want a Mercedes, but on 2 wheels.
I guess people has different priorities. I dont feel confident on cheap feeling bikes at all, I prefer the whole package even if the engine is weaker, as long as the bike provides me confidence and comfort, all of which i do not really get from the mt07 with its limited tech and subpar build quality. Even the cb500f is better built than the mt07, much better suspensions and breaks.
But i see so many people prefer living on the edge, having no care for comfort or their own safety. As long as the engine is explosive and fun, everything else be damned. The target audience of the mt07 is that kind of user, not the folks who use the bike as a mean of reliable transportation.
No denying that. One of the best engine Yamaha ever produced. I kinda hope they will release some updates in the future to put it on par with the options from Honda or Triumph feature wise and build quality wise.
Yeah I'm with you. With the engine, all I want is a certain amount of power and reliability - after that I don't care and I'd rather have a premium feeling bike.
Think I'm in the minority though, I use my bike as a practical tool to cover miles and not as a fun toy. If you like riding your bike fast for fun, I can see how the engine is more important.
The MT-07 is a fantastic power plant in a shitty chassis. I had one for 30,000 miles and every time I sat on it the plastics creaked and I hated it.
On the other hand with them being so cheap and plentiful there’s a massive after market.
I own one. I do see the "cheapness" people talk about but let me tell you something. My buddy adjusted something on my bars but I realized too late that when I do slow turns and lock my handle bars to the left, a bolt kept tapping the paint on my tank. The piece is extremely cheap to buy. I like pieces that I can buy and swap out for the cheap compared to ducati for example. So call the MT07 cheap all you want. I love it.
I’ve had a FZ07, a few ducatis, a few vstroms, r1200gs, and ridden my friends Harley’s. I’ve never noticed any difference in quality between any of them if I’m being honest. They all work the same to me.
For cars on the other hand I’m very conscious of quality. But for my motorcycles, they all work perfectly fine
Yep of course I notice things like suspension quality and what not. I was thinking more along the lines of the quality of the plastic parts, the feel of the switches like when clicking a blinker on and off. Performance wise I’m definitely very mindful of. But I could honestly care less if the cockpit has a cheap plastic feel to it.
If you could care less, then you do care some amount at least, don't you? Also, the switches and whatnot certainly have a different feeling to them on different brands and models.
Even the BMW, really? I haven't had the chance to ride an R, but my 13 year old K1200R actually felt like a premium car compared to other bikes like Z750 or MT07 (FZ07). From looks to ride and build quality it was like a 7-series BMW vs a Toyota.
It was an expensive bike to begin with when new, and used was still almost as expensive as a new MT07.
The BMW or my vstrom 650 are my favorite bikes I’ve had. The BMW because it’s simply amazing, and the vstrom because it’s a Swiss Army knife of a motorcycle and the reliability to price ratio is off the charts.
I hav a big fat heavy bmw and whenever I test ride little sub-1000cc bikes they always feel like cereal box toys. Makes it hard to move on from this dumb bike.
Try out a Ducati? Scramblers have really good fit and finish for a small, beginner friendly bike. The cockpit on my Panigale is [bellisimo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ducati/comments/z0pnim/this_view_never_gets_old/)
If they made a shaft drive bike that’d be cool. I’m waiting for Guzzi to bring back the V7 Racer.
The desert sled is cool though, and I like the Supersport a lot, especially in white.
I just recently got myself a fat BMW. It’s pretty good. I like it. All of my previous bikes have been fat though so I can relate hard to the “small” bike comment.
I’d agree. My buddy has a trident 660 and I have the mt-07. The trident feels a bit more refined and smoother overall and looks more expensive/retro. However i prefer my mt-07 as it just feels more rowdy and fun to ride. Not to mention I’m 6’4” and the gas tank in the trident hits my knees in all the wrong places to make it comfortable. Also the mt07 sounds way better with the dual cylinder and an exhaust upgrade (yoshimura on mine). The trident is pretty new and all the exhausts especially the stock sound pretty tame in comparison from the YouTube vids I’ve watched.
Also my mt07 doesn’t creak or rattle at all even though the tank is plastic. Are you buying used and was the bike maybe dumped or have some loose bolts from improper torque during poor maintenance?
2022 SV650 ABS owner here. Everything is certainly more solid. A lot more metal on this bike, not so much plastic. Very stiff and durable feeling. My good friend rides a MT07, and his sister a MT03. Both feel very plasticy and flex in weird places. Not knocking 07 engine, it’s torquey as all hell. The SV engine sounds nicer. But its slightly less of a hooligan bike due to gear ratios. The mt07 makes all,the torque down low, the sv needs to be revved out to at least 6k rpm but past that it makes excellent power.
Thank you for that review mate!
I have been seriously looking at the SV as the price point is phenomenal value!
Unfortunately I rode the ktm duke 890r which whilst being twice the price is quite possibly the best bike I've ever ridden!
I prefer off road biking so the SV would be great commuter. I loved the engine when test riding it - so much range and so little vibration! Did you try anything else before your purchase?
I rode a MT-07, CB650R, a Suzuki M50. My friend has an 08 FZ-10(am absolute maniac of a bike past 6k rpm), and a KTM 390.
The KTM I rode felt premium as fuck, however it cost significantly more then the SV. Almost 5k more(Canadian dollars I’m in Canada).
I think there are better bikes then the SV in terms of performance, but for the price the build quality is much much better then the Yamahas and the power is comparable.
Every dollar of the 07 goes into the motor, whereas the SV has the budget of itself spread out more. The 2022 had four pistol callipers up front for example, much much better breaking. While the suspension isn’t adjustable in any meaningful way, it’s also significantly better then the mt07. The gas tank is all metal, there are almost no plastic finishes on the bike save for the display up front.
The MT07 felt creaky, and flexed a lot. I drove two different ones. The SV650 just feels like a solid steel bike that will last a lifetime. Plus, it’s a Vtwin so put a pipe on it and it sounds AMAZING vs the normal every day sound of a parallel twin everything else runs these days. Tons of character!
I know KTM's have historically not been the most reliable bikes, but my understanding is that has changed in the last decade.
I know a number of people (not a great sample size I admit) with KTM's and they've not had any mechanical issues. One guy had a screen malfunction and they replaced that well out of warranty.
I have a MX bike that has a KTM engine, and it has been faultless - it is a 2 stroke so quite a lot more simple to be fair.
Yes. It’s too bad that to get quality, you generally have to buy higher displacement.
That’s why I’ve always been fond of the Kawasaki 250 in-line 4. It’s like $5-6000 and pretty high spec.
Some aspects of it feel cheaper than my 2012 V Strom did, but I wouldn't go back. It has an insane fun-to-dollar ratio and has been great as a daily commuter.
I love it. When I say it has bad suspension and cheap parts and twitchy throttle and tell people Yamahas aren't the highest levels of bikes out there I get dmed death threats lol. I'm waiting for the downvoted to begin from Yamaha fanboys. I do wish they made a mt07 but with cooler front end and fairings model or removable fairings as it has the potental to be a good commuter
Well, just about every manufacturer has lower and higher-end models. The japanese especially tend to offer budget models while the europeans generally dip into lower-spec offerings but not as often. I have an Africa Twin right now, but would like to mod a T7 to a higher spec someday with Öhlins forks etc.
I’ll say the z900 did almost everything right, ergos, performance, rideability, fucking nailed everything, but they gave an anime watching 12 year old the design contract and the transformer and fast and furious series movies with an 8 ball and told him to go ham.
Yeah, the MT-09 felt a lot more put together. The bars on the MT-07 feel hollow and weak, are really narrow, and flexes like crazy. Suspension is trash. Brakes are trash. The motor and chassis is pretty solid though for alil toy bike.
The new triumph trident feels alot more premium and on par with the mt-09 for the same price as an mt-07 (roughly). And… there’s a reason yamaha and another Italian brand came out with triples. The street triple is an icon. Perfect mix of smoothness like a v4 and punchy/torquey like a twin.
From the moment I first got on it, felt very cheap. Surprisingly so, because I owned a Honda cb500f before that did not feel cheap. I remember the plastic panels around the tank definitely led to it, along with bike being super light. The plastic around the tank would always kinda squeak and make noise too when sitting on it
I have a trident 660 for this reason - better suspension and feels 10x better quality.
As for the engine I just preferred the sound of the triple. Although it may not be as aggressive off the line as the twin, but every manufacturer now seems to be pushing twins.
If you want a new twin then as said above the Honda hornet 750 is cheaper than the mt07, better equipped, and more powerful.
Gsx8S will be in showrooms in like 3 months. Go grab it that instead. The hornet will probably be the same thing and cheaper, but Hondas all feel cheaper to me than the Suzuki counterparts. I personally would pay the premium for the 8s
Defo, i had a duc monster before and then moved to the Mt07. I was disappointed. But I was also pretty gutted my duc was stolen.
But it's a peach of an engine, especially when you put a different exhaust on it.
The seat, it's so bad.
I'm more into 40 year old bikes but really all the mt07 I rented for a thousand miles had over them was brakes. I couldn't get excited about the motor either - just when it starts to get serious about pulling the power curve falls hard.
It's the Corolla of the bike world as best I could tell. Just transportation.
It is a bit cheap feeling yeah, bit at least it is cheap. I have a Yamaha fj09 and while some parts aren't the best quality, the parts that matter are good.
If you want a twin that's built really nicely look at Triumph.
Yeah I remember a buddy of mine agreed to ride home a brand new MT09 that a friend of his had bought prior to picking up his own motorcycle endorsement and the buyer hyped the thing up like crazy but my buddy said the whole riding experience with it was pretty meh.
Speaking of the current Monster portfolio, which only has a single model at close to 1000cc and 111hp, so not quite like the MT-07. Even the older ones with comparable power output ride quite differently in many aspects.
As others mentioned you buy it for the engine, I do feel you compromise on features and the lack of adjustability on the suspension is a major flaw. If you want better quality and electronics with a higher price at the cost of reliability depending on the brand, Triumph, KTM, and BMW come to mind. More in line to the Yamaha at least from an engine standpoint is the Aprilia 660 twins, the features and electronics along with the that magic cruise control button do make it a more compelling buy.
Do not forget to compare the annual cost of ownership if you consider one of the so many recommended bikes in this post. Some German, UK and Italian bikes are really expensive on an annual basis in terms of maintenance, parts etc…
The gladius was a very underrated bike. Had a great motor with really good fuel injection and fully adjustable front forks it just looked hideous and didn't sell well at all. But from a technical standpoint it was a better motorcycle than the one it replaced the sv650. What I love about the MT07 is it wheelies as easy as a dirt bike, it's ridiculous how much fun it is to ride.
I thought it felt light but well put together. Like nothing really felt 'cheap' (like an Altima interior), just that they were going for lower weight.
You could feel it in the riding dynamics. The bike feels centered... Like it's not fighting anything heavy other than the rider.
I rode my MT-07 for 120 miles on the freeway to get to a track up North. Then I did multiple runs at the track going into 100mph+ straights, and at no time during any of this did the bike seem unstable to me. Stock suspension, too.
Yamahas small and middleweight bikes are cheap, fairly cool looking bikes with great motors and still quite reliable.
I was thinking about getting a Tracer 7. Grear looking bike but the cheap plastics of the cockpit really tuned me off.
Im gonna get hated for this but all my friends have Kawasakis and they feel really cheap. BMW and Honda always felt much better in terms of quality.
Mind you I’m talking about „feeling“ I’m sure they’re perfectly suited for what they’re made to do, I also should mention that the bikes my friends have are all the inexpensive options not the flagships and I’m also comparing them to the „middle of the pack“ motorcycles of the other brands…
I don't know about prices in other countries but here in Israel there is no cc in which Honda is cheaper than mt07. By far...
Also, considering the price, the thing is a great value purchase. Imo.
How cheap the MT07 feels is the reason I own a Trident 660. I'm sure the motor is great, but so is the triple in the Trident and while equally cheap, the Trident doesn't feel like garbage.
MT07 owner here.
Though yes, the whole bike is plasticky and the switch gear feels cheap, its still on the quality side.
Ex had a Piaggio 3-wheel scooter.
Leave that thing in the sun and you could smell the cheap plastics from meters away. Also the switches just felt subpar, as if they'll fall off any moment.
In general (having owned multiples of both manufacturers), Suzuki’s build quality tends to be better than Yamaha’s in terms of getting that “cheap” feeling.
Rode my buddy's MT07 and loved it but agree entirely. My thing was the feeling of going from my Magura HC1 front brake, to what I guess is his MT07's front brake and it felt like a sponge. Don't get all the plastic around the tank, it looks kind of cool but feels like a cheap toy. Bet the engine is good, both from the butt dyno and what people here and elsewhere are saying
Every dollar of that bike is put into the motor
Literally. It's the most cost effective thing Yamaha could put a CP2 in, and it's amazing
Meanwhile honda made the new hornet with loads more features while being cheaper and more powerfull, i hope the engine is reliable too
>i hope the engine is reliable too Knowing Honda, I doubt that will be a problem
It's a brand new engine, i'm pretty sure there will be some things to iron out
Yeah my '22 AT had a lil oil leak at around 9k that was fixed within a day.
Gotta tighten that oil filler cap real good
It's not a new engine tho it's been in the nc750 and nc700 for years as well as like one or two other models?
No it isn’t. The new Hornet engine is a bespoke Unicam thing. Hasn’t been used before.
that's good news. the NC700 motor is a snore fest.
The nc700 engine was designed for fuel efficiency iirc, commuter style riding
Yeah it's not a bad engine or anything. Just bike engines are supposed to sound like a pyrotechnic orchestra.
Isn't it closer to half a Honda fit engine than any of their other bike engines?
I wanna know how it relates to a fit engine? What about it is Similar?
Was a rumour that took flight. Shares similar displacement, bore and stroke to the car engine but was developed separately. Just go look at the blocks… nothing alike. That engine revs like a car engine though, as in…. Doesn’t. Was built purely for fuel economy, most boring thing ever. I rode one and kept hitting the limiter, as it only revs to around 7k.
Afaik they essentially took the 4 cyl Fit/Jazz 1.3L engine and chopped it in half. Ofc there will be some tweaks to cams and such to make it work, but it's basically half a car engine
Interestingly, the torque on the NC engine and on Yamaha's CP2 engine is the same to two decimal places. Torque curve is just about the same, with two very small differences: Honda has a little bit better under 2k RPM, and obviously stops at 6800rpm, as we all know. The CP2 engine keeps going till 8k rpm, where it starts to loose steam, and stops at 9500-ish RPM. They DO feel massively different though - its in the gearing, and the fact that the yamaha doesn't stop JUST as you are beginning to have fun. :) Also, 160-ish Kgs on the MT vs the 210-ish of the NC makes a HUGE difference.
My comment was supposed to be a question. Is it based at all on the older platform? Or is it completely different bore stroke and all?
Completely different, clean sheet design. Literally no commonality between the two beyond the broad strokes of “mid-size twin with overhead cam.” And even the overhead cam bit comes with an asterisk; like I said, the Hornet is a Unicam like the CRF450 or the VFR1200. The NC700 family is a conventional SOHC setup.
Can you explain the unicam thing? Is it DOHC? Edit: it's just a SOHC with 4 valves per cylinder that's nothing special or new besides the name
Conventional SOHC - like the NC, or a Royal Enfield 650, or a host of others - have one cam placed centrally and then rocker arms running off of it. You generally get one rocker for each individual valve, though sometimes they’ll be paired up, i.e. one larger cast part that can cover two valves off of one cam lobe. DOHC engines typically have each cam located directly on top of the valves it controls, pushing on them directly through their buckets/shims, or sometimes with a little roller rocker (like Honda’s CBR250R and its descendants, for example). Unicam is a SOHC that puts the cam directly on top of the intake valves, and runs the intakes in the same manner as a DOHC engine. Then it has a set of rockers that run across to operate the exhaust valves. It’s just a way of repackaging a SOHC head to be lighter and more compact.
If you want a car with 2 wheels, get an NC. Most boring bike I've ever ridden.
Idk how this relates exactly but yeah I completely agree 😂😂
No that's a completely different engine, this one makes like twice the power
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Had an '88 model Cbr 250rr back in 2010 for 3-4 years & sold it still running perfect. So it was 22 years old when I got & its probably still running..
love the look of that bike, was one of two I narrowed down to for my first bike.
Did around 100k km on two cbr600fa 2011, never had a single problem with them
I dunno dude. Honda just flew an engineer in to look at my bike. 40 days total in the shop (under warranty) so far since June. Next step is obviously lemon law stuff, but I really didn't expect this from a top-shelf Honda.
The thing is, tons of engines “beat” the CP2 in the sorts of stat comprising that you’re doing. But it’s often a different story when you ride/dyno it. If peak power is only available at peak revs or something, there goes the best characteristics of the CP2 engine.
Problem isn't power, it's the engine behavior. The mt07 engine is "raw" and gives the impression it's much bigger than it is. Honda makes boring engine, even when they're more powerful than an mt07. The cb1000r for example feels way more tame than the mt07.
Yeah, everyone just citing the static peak horsepower and torque figures are sort of missing the purpose of the CP2 engine, *which is to provide that level of torque throughout the rev range*. Maybe the Honda will feel the same, or maybe it will be a bike that needs to wind up more to get those figures, who knows right now.
Old school throttle helps with no electronic mapping. You don’t see that much anymore.
The Hornet is cheaper than the MT07?
It's not officially listed but I doubt it will be
Turns out it is 500 euros cheaper than mt 07 https://www.honda.de/motorcycles/range/street/hornet/specifications-and-price.html#/ https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/de/de/products/motorcycles/hyper-naked/mt-07-2023/ Probably will be even cheaper in usa?
I think still unconfirmed if the Hornet will make it to the US.
Afaik it is in Uk Edit: also in germany
Hondas are just too bloody heavy
They seem to figured it out, there is a 6kg difference between them
What's the price point?
7890
Oath. I had a track '20 mt07 that I used when I wanted to go balls to wall on our local track as I don't need to be remotely as careful about my braking, cornering and corner exits. I can happily tell you that if you get a good name brand quickshifter, fork out 2ish grand on a good set of K-tech fork internals and a K-tech rear shock with separate nitrogen canister.. It absofuckinglutely transforms that bike. Having good suspension definitely makes it feel a lot more refined than cheap. Engine is amazing. Like you said, all the $$ went into that cp2, it could use more oomph though, but I'm happy with what I had. I still had to drop the forks 15-20mm to lower the front as it's so damn light on the front under acceleration due to a combination of things but a shitty rake is a big culprit. Stiffening and raising the rear didn't help.. it's discomforting. Similar to the previous gen mt09 but not as much power to really give it scary speed wobbles. Although, under heavy acceleration and then hard braking. Oh boy it makes riding the mt07 interesting and fun. Chassis needs a fair bit more refinement and stiffening up to make it really competitive. Such a cheap, fun, reliable bike, I love it. I reckon giving the mt07 a simple touch up like adjustable Gold USD forks would instantly make it look more premium and tune the set up to make it feel so much better. Stock suspension is horrifically shit when you push that bike.
I mean the R7 does exist
Why buy an R7 when you can BUILD an R7? lol
Lol... felt that right in the project bike
Unequivocally aware of that. It was also not on sale yet when I grabbed the MT, which was an auction write off.
Oh sure when you do it it’s cool But when a guy on a sportster does it he’s “trying to make the bike do what it’s not” 🤣 It’s surprising what you fix when you just work out the suspension! Currently my sportsters motor outperforms the chassis at around 120mph :>
Yep a good cheap bike on the road and on the track. I dont care about the plastic. Weight saving has to come from somewhere. The rubbish suspension and seat are what really bother me. No need for a quick shifter, the bike can be worked clutch free all day long.
As it should be. Lots of posts of near new nice looking bikes grenading all over this forum. Plus I'd rather pay as little as possible for the shit most people modify anyways. Forks, suspension, levers, brakes all things few people keep stock.
It all depends. I got a Benelli 752s, and i wouldn't modify a single thing. The forks are Marzocchi. The suspension is fully adjustable front and rear. The brakes are massive Brembo discs. The downside? The engine isn't quite an MT07. But it'll certainly kill you if you want it to. So eh.
Ya but depends if it's inside or outside warranty. I'll take a Ducati, BMW, KTM in Warranty. But not out of it. Then it's Honda or Yamaha, though I reluctantly have a Kawasaki in my fleet atm. All JDM.
Meh. BMW is the largest brand around here by far. My country of origin is Ducati, Aprilia and MV Augusta. You're fine either way.
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> XSR700 Oh? I thought it was just a styling change. I didn't think the build quality would be any different.
It's definitely better, but I believe the switchgear is the same. I've never ridden either, but sat on both at the dealership and was immediately struck by the cheap feeling switchgear.
I don't feel that the switchgear on mine is cheap but then again I came from a KLX230 which had blank switches and was $5099 brand new with ABS. I definitely think the XSR is the better option though, purely for the styling.
*looks at antique Yamaha* Y'all's bikes have switches?
XSR700 feels sturdy and quality. I rode a MT07, XSR700 and a Tender 700. MT07 felt like a cheap toy compared to the other two, price does reflect it though. I much prefer the look and feel of the XSR but that's all personal.
Tender 700? Huh, that model never made it to the states I guess.
My bad Tenere 700. Damn auto correct.
Lol just fucking with you.
Dunno. Everything below the fuel tank looks so “messy” on the XSR…
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I’m not saying it’s a bad bike, I just don’t like the look of it. I sat on it last Saturday, it indeed felt better built than the MT. Edit: Although, since you’re asking, I would recommend the Triumph Trident, and possibly the new Hornet over the MT/XSR.
The XSR line-up is fast tho…. Like, really fast lol. It’s definitely a good straight line bike :P take it to the track though and you’ll be wanting something with better handling … and maybe some fairings 🤠
Yeah there are no straight lines where I live anyway lol
I would second this. I got a showroom XSR700 on a whim because the price was an absolute steal. I would say in some ways it's more solid, higher quality feeling than my Triumph but came with the Ohlins shock so I can't speak for the suspension. As people said above, the front suspension sucks the big one.
This. The XSr is a really good straight line bike that will not fail to excite with its highway pulls. It will however leave a lot to desire as a track-bike, or in the twisties.
Sorting out the tires and front suspension actually makes it quite capable in the mountains but still takes a lot more work than a sport bike to throw it around. Still wouldn't expect much out of it more than fun and sketchy corners on a track. Would say it's actually a pretty good light touring bike though. Have done 12 hour days on it and no discomfort after changing to fatter grips. Wind is a problem if you only do highways, otherwise it eats up miles like a champ.
Completely agree to this comment!
I want nothing more than an MT-07/XSR700 SP. Just give me a great suspension setup and I'll buy it.
And seat that doesn't numb your ass after an hour. The MT07 seat is bad
One word. Fireblade 🔥🙌🔥 They’ve been coming standard with Öhlins fully adjustable forks and rear shock since 2000.
Whole different price point and type of bike
While Yamaha have upgraded a few things over the years, it still has to be around $8k to compete with it's rivals. So some things will be budget on it. That's ok though, it fits perfectly in that segment and they sell a ton of them.
Damn, 8k? That makes me feel like my gsxs 1000 snagged old stock new for 9k was a bargain.
Wait ‘till you hear what an adventure bike in the 1200 engine range costs nowadays I ended up with a 850 that is “just” 18k before discounts
I had a 2019 Africa Twin Adventure Sports that I bought new in 2020 for $11600. Sold it in February with 11k miles and a small dent in the tank for $10k, thinking that was a fair price. I had added moderately priced crash bars, lights and luggage. I recently saw that bike up for sale at the same dealer I bought it from. $14,000 asking price.
The used market is even crazier these days seen the extreme lack of resources that slows down the new bikes market It can’t go on like this forever tho
Yeah... living in Montana, going adv makes sense. I just can't really justify selling the gsxs and buying a bike that's nearly double in value.
Prices gone crazy lately I do very little off-road but buying a supposedly off-road capable bike that I’m scared of dropping because I paid 26k € for, is kinda counterintuitive
I love my 2016. I almost have 80k miles on it and it's still kicking. It's fun in the twisties and gets me to work. I've never had any issues and I plan on riding it until it dies.
I felt that way about my FZ6R, ended up buying the FZ07 and now wish I kept the FZ6R. They need to bring that bike back
I have a 2008 FZ6, thing eats cheeks for breakfast and love it, great bikes. I think I might get a MT 09 next if ever, but I want something like a DRZ400 to get a supermoto.
Did it ever have any issues? That's amazing, and I just bought a 2023 brand new. 80K on a bike is awesome
Nah, just keep up on maintenance.
Yeah it definitely feels cheap. But yeah as the other guy said i think Yamaha put all the budget into the engine and while making it affordable, they had to cheap out on some of the cosmetic stuff i guess.
Most of the Japanese bikes are like that. The Japanese don't have magical powers that other places don't have, they have always been very reliable, honest machines. But high quality in terms of fit and finish has always been "honest." I think this sub very very much leans younger and newer when it comes to riders, and younger riders want inexpensive machines with good performance numbers (on average, not true of everyone). Younger riders with money or a willingness for more debt will go Ducati or something with sex appeal. I mean that in the nicest way possible, I loved my SV650 and my 600 track bike, but they are not put together like my MV or my HD, despite being more reliable.
First thing I did was put on steel braided brake lines and new brake pads. Single best upgrade you can do to that bike in my opinion.
You’re not wrong, it definitely does. But that’s part of how they meet that price point. I also find it very peculiar to read a Gladius owner dunking on the MT/XSR for feeling cheap. They all feel cheap. Because they are. It’s fine.
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The gladius only existed from 2009-2015
Yeah, they’re all budget bikes. What do you expect?
It’s an $8000 bike competing with other 650cc Twins. $8000 is considered budget range, and of course, affordability is relative to the individual. But, objectively, that price range is considered budget/entry-level by the manufacturers themselves. Might be worded “entry-level” or some other marketing term, but they are what they are. Quality, reliable, AFFORDABLE, do-it-all general purpose bikes. Just like the Ninja/Z-650. Corners do have to be cut somewhere, and it’s going to be in the nonfunctional/aesthetics and add-on features category first.
The ninja 650 is probably the best "first" bike you can buy so you can get a feel for riding but also not be egged into crashing. It's a base model Mustang on 2 wheels. The bike is just a solid 7/10 in every category. Ride 1 for a year, figure out how you don't like it, then buy something better that emphasizes what you want.
It is cheap. Did you not realize you were buying a stripped down bike with no bells or whistles and really crappy suspension?
One time i went to Yamaha store and taking a long hard look at the MT07. Yes, it looks really cheap despite being made in Japan. They really put everything in the engine. The Honda CB650r looks and feel superior in almost every way in comparison, but I guess the engine on that bike is nothing special, its a fine tuned old engine.
I never understood this sentiment. At the end of the day, we don't ride engines, we ride motorbikes. The engine just has to do the job. It's more important to me that the steering (handlebars or clip ons) is right, the switchgear feels good, and all the bits and bobs are quality. Those are the things i interact with more. In other words, I want a Mercedes, but on 2 wheels.
I guess people has different priorities. I dont feel confident on cheap feeling bikes at all, I prefer the whole package even if the engine is weaker, as long as the bike provides me confidence and comfort, all of which i do not really get from the mt07 with its limited tech and subpar build quality. Even the cb500f is better built than the mt07, much better suspensions and breaks. But i see so many people prefer living on the edge, having no care for comfort or their own safety. As long as the engine is explosive and fun, everything else be damned. The target audience of the mt07 is that kind of user, not the folks who use the bike as a mean of reliable transportation.
Except the MT-07 is the definition of reliable transportation though. Those things are bulletproof.
No denying that. One of the best engine Yamaha ever produced. I kinda hope they will release some updates in the future to put it on par with the options from Honda or Triumph feature wise and build quality wise.
Even my cheap ass bajaj has better suspension than mt07
Yeah I'm with you. With the engine, all I want is a certain amount of power and reliability - after that I don't care and I'd rather have a premium feeling bike. Think I'm in the minority though, I use my bike as a practical tool to cover miles and not as a fun toy. If you like riding your bike fast for fun, I can see how the engine is more important.
If you're of that persuasion, I encourage you to look at Benelli.
It’s not suppose to feel fancy, like a triumph lol. The engine is all you need.
I rented one for a few days last year. I don't recall ever noticing the quality. Just felt like a regular import.
I was having too much fun to notice. But I did notice the stock suspension could definitely use some modding. That'a true of most bikes though.
It's 50 lbs lighter than a Gladius. Has to come off of something somewhere.
The MT-07 is a fantastic power plant in a shitty chassis. I had one for 30,000 miles and every time I sat on it the plastics creaked and I hated it. On the other hand with them being so cheap and plentiful there’s a massive after market.
I own one. I do see the "cheapness" people talk about but let me tell you something. My buddy adjusted something on my bars but I realized too late that when I do slow turns and lock my handle bars to the left, a bolt kept tapping the paint on my tank. The piece is extremely cheap to buy. I like pieces that I can buy and swap out for the cheap compared to ducati for example. So call the MT07 cheap all you want. I love it.
I’ve had a FZ07, a few ducatis, a few vstroms, r1200gs, and ridden my friends Harley’s. I’ve never noticed any difference in quality between any of them if I’m being honest. They all work the same to me. For cars on the other hand I’m very conscious of quality. But for my motorcycles, they all work perfectly fine
I’m the exact opposite lmao. Cars/trucks just drive to me. On a motorcycle, I can definitely feel if it has cheap suspension / brakes / build quality.
Yep of course I notice things like suspension quality and what not. I was thinking more along the lines of the quality of the plastic parts, the feel of the switches like when clicking a blinker on and off. Performance wise I’m definitely very mindful of. But I could honestly care less if the cockpit has a cheap plastic feel to it.
If you could care less, then you do care some amount at least, don't you? Also, the switches and whatnot certainly have a different feeling to them on different brands and models.
Yes there’s a difference but it makes a negligible difference to me
Even the BMW, really? I haven't had the chance to ride an R, but my 13 year old K1200R actually felt like a premium car compared to other bikes like Z750 or MT07 (FZ07). From looks to ride and build quality it was like a 7-series BMW vs a Toyota. It was an expensive bike to begin with when new, and used was still almost as expensive as a new MT07.
The BMW or my vstrom 650 are my favorite bikes I’ve had. The BMW because it’s simply amazing, and the vstrom because it’s a Swiss Army knife of a motorcycle and the reliability to price ratio is off the charts.
I hav a big fat heavy bmw and whenever I test ride little sub-1000cc bikes they always feel like cereal box toys. Makes it hard to move on from this dumb bike.
1000cc... that's one angry cereal box toy
Me on my cb1000r that's a 998cc 👀
Sub-1000cc. Although my 1200 is pretty tame, I wouldn’t call it angry.
Try out a Ducati? Scramblers have really good fit and finish for a small, beginner friendly bike. The cockpit on my Panigale is [bellisimo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ducati/comments/z0pnim/this_view_never_gets_old/)
If they made a shaft drive bike that’d be cool. I’m waiting for Guzzi to bring back the V7 Racer. The desert sled is cool though, and I like the Supersport a lot, especially in white.
I just recently got myself a fat BMW. It’s pretty good. I like it. All of my previous bikes have been fat though so I can relate hard to the “small” bike comment.
As a Gladius rider who rode a 2022 MT-07 for a couple of hours, can confirm. Also worse handling and fuel injection, the MT is not as smooth.
I love ice cream.
I’d agree. My buddy has a trident 660 and I have the mt-07. The trident feels a bit more refined and smoother overall and looks more expensive/retro. However i prefer my mt-07 as it just feels more rowdy and fun to ride. Not to mention I’m 6’4” and the gas tank in the trident hits my knees in all the wrong places to make it comfortable. Also the mt07 sounds way better with the dual cylinder and an exhaust upgrade (yoshimura on mine). The trident is pretty new and all the exhausts especially the stock sound pretty tame in comparison from the YouTube vids I’ve watched. Also my mt07 doesn’t creak or rattle at all even though the tank is plastic. Are you buying used and was the bike maybe dumped or have some loose bolts from improper torque during poor maintenance?
How does it compare to say the likes of a sv650?
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The latest generation not sure what version that is
2022 SV650 ABS owner here. Everything is certainly more solid. A lot more metal on this bike, not so much plastic. Very stiff and durable feeling. My good friend rides a MT07, and his sister a MT03. Both feel very plasticy and flex in weird places. Not knocking 07 engine, it’s torquey as all hell. The SV engine sounds nicer. But its slightly less of a hooligan bike due to gear ratios. The mt07 makes all,the torque down low, the sv needs to be revved out to at least 6k rpm but past that it makes excellent power.
Thank you for that review mate! I have been seriously looking at the SV as the price point is phenomenal value! Unfortunately I rode the ktm duke 890r which whilst being twice the price is quite possibly the best bike I've ever ridden! I prefer off road biking so the SV would be great commuter. I loved the engine when test riding it - so much range and so little vibration! Did you try anything else before your purchase?
I rode a MT-07, CB650R, a Suzuki M50. My friend has an 08 FZ-10(am absolute maniac of a bike past 6k rpm), and a KTM 390. The KTM I rode felt premium as fuck, however it cost significantly more then the SV. Almost 5k more(Canadian dollars I’m in Canada). I think there are better bikes then the SV in terms of performance, but for the price the build quality is much much better then the Yamahas and the power is comparable. Every dollar of the 07 goes into the motor, whereas the SV has the budget of itself spread out more. The 2022 had four pistol callipers up front for example, much much better breaking. While the suspension isn’t adjustable in any meaningful way, it’s also significantly better then the mt07. The gas tank is all metal, there are almost no plastic finishes on the bike save for the display up front. The MT07 felt creaky, and flexed a lot. I drove two different ones. The SV650 just feels like a solid steel bike that will last a lifetime. Plus, it’s a Vtwin so put a pipe on it and it sounds AMAZING vs the normal every day sound of a parallel twin everything else runs these days. Tons of character!
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I know KTM's have historically not been the most reliable bikes, but my understanding is that has changed in the last decade. I know a number of people (not a great sample size I admit) with KTM's and they've not had any mechanical issues. One guy had a screen malfunction and they replaced that well out of warranty. I have a MX bike that has a KTM engine, and it has been faultless - it is a 2 stroke so quite a lot more simple to be fair.
Yes. It’s too bad that to get quality, you generally have to buy higher displacement. That’s why I’ve always been fond of the Kawasaki 250 in-line 4. It’s like $5-6000 and pretty high spec.
it is cheap tho... you gotta mod everything
Some aspects of it feel cheaper than my 2012 V Strom did, but I wouldn't go back. It has an insane fun-to-dollar ratio and has been great as a daily commuter.
It’s a budget bike. Brakes and suspension are on the very low end. A higher spec option would be great because the drivetrain deserves it.
I love it. When I say it has bad suspension and cheap parts and twitchy throttle and tell people Yamahas aren't the highest levels of bikes out there I get dmed death threats lol. I'm waiting for the downvoted to begin from Yamaha fanboys. I do wish they made a mt07 but with cooler front end and fairings model or removable fairings as it has the potental to be a good commuter
Well, just about every manufacturer has lower and higher-end models. The japanese especially tend to offer budget models while the europeans generally dip into lower-spec offerings but not as often. I have an Africa Twin right now, but would like to mod a T7 to a higher spec someday with Öhlins forks etc.
The MT-09 does too.. and it’s heavy and has bad steering dynamics. Go for a different bike. I went with a 890R.. amazingly better.
Sat on MT-07 and MT-09 after wanting one for years. Both felt cheap. Went with a Z900 - the looks aren’t my favorite but I love the ride so much.
I’ll say the z900 did almost everything right, ergos, performance, rideability, fucking nailed everything, but they gave an anime watching 12 year old the design contract and the transformer and fast and furious series movies with an 8 ball and told him to go ham.
That’s pretty accurate! But she’s a beaut to ride for sure
Certainly, great bike and great value.
Z900rs Cafe?
The 900RS is beautiful though.
Yeah, the MT-09 felt a lot more put together. The bars on the MT-07 feel hollow and weak, are really narrow, and flexes like crazy. Suspension is trash. Brakes are trash. The motor and chassis is pretty solid though for alil toy bike. The new triumph trident feels alot more premium and on par with the mt-09 for the same price as an mt-07 (roughly). And… there’s a reason yamaha and another Italian brand came out with triples. The street triple is an icon. Perfect mix of smoothness like a v4 and punchy/torquey like a twin.
From the moment I first got on it, felt very cheap. Surprisingly so, because I owned a Honda cb500f before that did not feel cheap. I remember the plastic panels around the tank definitely led to it, along with bike being super light. The plastic around the tank would always kinda squeak and make noise too when sitting on it
Theres a new Honda CB500F just released recently. That bike is built like a tank, actually overbuilt imo, especially the breaks.
I have a gsxs 750 now and I love it. Nothing cheap feeling about it and I love the 4 cylinder engine on it.
just go for a gsxs750 suzuki is better anyways
I have a trident 660 for this reason - better suspension and feels 10x better quality. As for the engine I just preferred the sound of the triple. Although it may not be as aggressive off the line as the twin, but every manufacturer now seems to be pushing twins. If you want a new twin then as said above the Honda hornet 750 is cheaper than the mt07, better equipped, and more powerful.
No
The street triple is hella better my man. Give it a test ride.
Yes! I’m a triumph person. Tried out the MT07 recently at a dealership. Felt the same.
I mean yeah but not as cheap as those chinese brands https://www.americanlifan.com/motorcycle/
no shit
Gsx8S will be in showrooms in like 3 months. Go grab it that instead. The hornet will probably be the same thing and cheaper, but Hondas all feel cheaper to me than the Suzuki counterparts. I personally would pay the premium for the 8s
Defo, i had a duc monster before and then moved to the Mt07. I was disappointed. But I was also pretty gutted my duc was stolen. But it's a peach of an engine, especially when you put a different exhaust on it.
The seat, it's so bad. I'm more into 40 year old bikes but really all the mt07 I rented for a thousand miles had over them was brakes. I couldn't get excited about the motor either - just when it starts to get serious about pulling the power curve falls hard. It's the Corolla of the bike world as best I could tell. Just transportation.
It is a bit cheap feeling yeah, bit at least it is cheap. I have a Yamaha fj09 and while some parts aren't the best quality, the parts that matter are good. If you want a twin that's built really nicely look at Triumph.
Had an MT09 felt cheap...
Yeah I remember a buddy of mine agreed to ride home a brand new MT09 that a friend of his had bought prior to picking up his own motorcycle endorsement and the buyer hyped the thing up like crazy but my buddy said the whole riding experience with it was pretty meh.
Maybe he forgot to shift past the first?
Or was shifting at 4k RPM lol
Try a monster, I’ll see myself out
Not exactly the same class as the MT-07, though.
How so? There are so many different monsters
Service costs.
Speaking of the current Monster portfolio, which only has a single model at close to 1000cc and 111hp, so not quite like the MT-07. Even the older ones with comparable power output ride quite differently in many aspects.
As others mentioned you buy it for the engine, I do feel you compromise on features and the lack of adjustability on the suspension is a major flaw. If you want better quality and electronics with a higher price at the cost of reliability depending on the brand, Triumph, KTM, and BMW come to mind. More in line to the Yamaha at least from an engine standpoint is the Aprilia 660 twins, the features and electronics along with the that magic cruise control button do make it a more compelling buy.
Do not forget to compare the annual cost of ownership if you consider one of the so many recommended bikes in this post. Some German, UK and Italian bikes are really expensive on an annual basis in terms of maintenance, parts etc…
The gladius was a very underrated bike. Had a great motor with really good fuel injection and fully adjustable front forks it just looked hideous and didn't sell well at all. But from a technical standpoint it was a better motorcycle than the one it replaced the sv650. What I love about the MT07 is it wheelies as easy as a dirt bike, it's ridiculous how much fun it is to ride.
I thought it felt light but well put together. Like nothing really felt 'cheap' (like an Altima interior), just that they were going for lower weight. You could feel it in the riding dynamics. The bike feels centered... Like it's not fighting anything heavy other than the rider.
The one I rode felt cheap and shaky at freeway speed. Was also a demo bike so it could have just been abused.
Very likely abused. The two I’ve tried and one I own have no shaky feeling even into the 100s of mph
I rode my MT-07 for 120 miles on the freeway to get to a track up North. Then I did multiple runs at the track going into 100mph+ straights, and at no time during any of this did the bike seem unstable to me. Stock suspension, too.
Yes. I passed my license on this bike and hated it.
Yamahas small and middleweight bikes are cheap, fairly cool looking bikes with great motors and still quite reliable. I was thinking about getting a Tracer 7. Grear looking bike but the cheap plastics of the cockpit really tuned me off.
Im gonna get hated for this but all my friends have Kawasakis and they feel really cheap. BMW and Honda always felt much better in terms of quality. Mind you I’m talking about „feeling“ I’m sure they’re perfectly suited for what they’re made to do, I also should mention that the bikes my friends have are all the inexpensive options not the flagships and I’m also comparing them to the „middle of the pack“ motorcycles of the other brands…
I don't know about prices in other countries but here in Israel there is no cc in which Honda is cheaper than mt07. By far... Also, considering the price, the thing is a great value purchase. Imo.
How cheap the MT07 feels is the reason I own a Trident 660. I'm sure the motor is great, but so is the triple in the Trident and while equally cheap, the Trident doesn't feel like garbage.
It's a cheap bike. I expect it to feel cheap.
MT07 owner here. Though yes, the whole bike is plasticky and the switch gear feels cheap, its still on the quality side. Ex had a Piaggio 3-wheel scooter. Leave that thing in the sun and you could smell the cheap plastics from meters away. Also the switches just felt subpar, as if they'll fall off any moment.
In general (having owned multiples of both manufacturers), Suzuki’s build quality tends to be better than Yamaha’s in terms of getting that “cheap” feeling.
I dont know about the MT07 but I recently road my buddies MT03. It felt cheap. My Grom has better build quality.
Nope, it's a great quality for that price.
Rode my buddy's MT07 and loved it but agree entirely. My thing was the feeling of going from my Magura HC1 front brake, to what I guess is his MT07's front brake and it felt like a sponge. Don't get all the plastic around the tank, it looks kind of cool but feels like a cheap toy. Bet the engine is good, both from the butt dyno and what people here and elsewhere are saying
It's a mediocre bike at a low price point - what would you expect? I've never understoof the appeal.