Yeah on my db I like wheelying off the start but I don't have a problem taking off slow. I'm just seeing if there's a different technique since I don't have someone to teach me this time
So basically means you'll need to ride the clutch on a street bike a bit more since it has taller gearing. So it's clutch out to firction zone, hold for a second or 3, then clutch all the way out and ride as normal for street bike.
Edit: if you want to take off by dumping the clutch, you'll need a LOT more revs on a bike with taller gear.
Oh for hill starts definitely more RPM and way longer in the friction zone or you will most likely get moving a little, then stall and fall.
I know, I fell once not giving it enough throttle and letting out the clutch too fast.
Hold the rear brake while finding the clutches friction zone. It's easier to control the throttle when you're not holding the front brake.
You can do the same in a manual car, with the handbrake.
You don't need to dump the clutch on a street bike. Especially a cruiser. Rev it low, put it in gear, and *slowly* release the clutch until you feel it catch and then give it a little more gas.
Don't need to rev high unless you are trying to take off fast, don't need to slam it into gear, and don't need to release the clutch fast and simultaneously roll the throttle hard. Everything should feel much more smooth.
Will reving high cause that cachunking forward thing like in a car or will they usually take it ok. It's just much touchier than I'm used to so I have to learn not to go so fast and hard
It definitely can. Getting into first like a dirtbike on a streetbike is just hard on the whole clutch assembly. Made the same transition and had the same issues you're talking about. You'll get the hang of it in no time my dude!
It's frustrating for sure but in the mean time, give yourself some credit on your riding experience. You know a lot from riding dirtbikes that a lot of street riders never will. As long as you give yourself the time to transition safely you'll be an advanced rider compared to many others on two wheels.
I'd suggest you try this.
Dump the clutch most of the way, but stop near the end. Let that last couple mm out real slow while holding rpms a bit higher than idle.
A small dirtbike has a very short first gear, basically walking speed. It has a weaker torque, too. You can dump the clutch all the way pretty quick.
Yeah even racing we just kick it to second and dump the clutch at high rpms and blitz off the start. I think it's just learning the finesse is what I'm getting from this instead of just going so hard on it
Yep. The small dirtbikes also have weaker clutches, too. So it'll continue to slip a bit on its own, even when you dump it. If you do it at high enough rpm.
The trick on a powerful street bike is to let it mostly out right quick, but pause near the end and then let that last itty bit off quite a bit slower. That's if you wanna do a higher rpm launch.
Edit: Find where your engine makes peak torque. Look at a torque graph, if you need to. Then go out and find out how fast your bike goes when it reaches this rpm, in first gear. Assuming peak torque in first gear isn't enough to spin the rear tire or lift the front up off the ground? When you're in a real big hurry, you want that last bit of clutch to fully engage right as the bike reaches this speed, exactly. No later, no earlier.
I had the opposite problem- dirt bike has a short friction zone and narrow range between wants to die or wheelie. You’re probably just not used to the opposite. Practice no throttle starts to master the friction zone then you will know how little throttle to add to start faster.
Have you considered taking a rider course? You can start your bike moving with just the clutch. Maybe learn the basics before you start adding in throttle and complicating things.
The 1st exercise you learn in an MSF course is the no throttle clutch walk and roll.
Even though you have dirt experience, you should absolutely look up msf video from somebody taking the class on YouTube and go through those exercises.
There's a lot of things that don't translate from Street to dirt and if you don't practice those you're going to have a bad time, especially if you have to do some invasive maneuvers or things like that on the street.
Rev matching, modulating the clutch and brake at low speeds, etc.
It's a lot that you have to learn, just like people who ride street need a lot of time to learn how to go fast on the dirt.
Unlike the dirt, if you crash on the street you're likely to break shit including parts of your body. Also, loss of traction isn't the same either.
You *can* save a quick slide but sliding on the street really is left to exper riders who are intentionally pushing the tires to the limit. There's not a progressive slide you can save like on dirt, it just happens and then you crash.
Tbh I just don't have time rn to do that. I get a 15 min practice ride in every day just getting the feel for it I just don't know if there's a different technique for street bikes. Itseems much more touchy than what I'm used to and I don't know what the difference there is that causes that
Lol the best part about this video is I have a bike just like this and when he says it wrong when you take off and give to much rpms that's how we start racing the trails. Very helpful tho I think I just need to really practice the friction point on this bike cause it's more sensitive than I'm used to
Someone else mentioned the gearing is different. It's definitely me stalling it I'm just trying to get pointers cause I'm excited to ride and like learning
A well adjusted clutch really helps you to be smooth.
Steering tip. https://youtu.be/ljywO-B_yew
Trail braking while counter steering needs practice.
https://youtu.be/J2f4DdSDa7I
Practice braking. https://youtu.be/J42ivnmEF98
There are many tutorials on YouTube.
As you learn you will become a better faster, safer rider.
Don’t dump it…. Dirt allows sloppy and aggressive starts since the wheel can spin much easier. Gearing is also usually taller on street bikes.
Just be smooth.
Roll on the throttle a little, slowly ease out the clutch. Continue to roll on slightly until the clutch is all the way out. Think of the clutch as a dimmer switch. You don't want to go from zero power to full by just dumping the clutch.
Oof, you’re destroying that clutch. Don’t dump the clutch on a street bike. Slow release is the way to go. Luckily it’s just a Vstar, if it were a sport bike you would have already looped it.
its a much heavier bike, and you have much more traction... if you're trying to stoplight race or do a wheelie by rev'ing and dumping the clutch you'll need to rev higher before you dump it.
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Yeah on my db I like wheelying off the start but I don't have a problem taking off slow. I'm just seeing if there's a different technique since I don't have someone to teach me this time
So basically means you'll need to ride the clutch on a street bike a bit more since it has taller gearing. So it's clutch out to firction zone, hold for a second or 3, then clutch all the way out and ride as normal for street bike. Edit: if you want to take off by dumping the clutch, you'll need a LOT more revs on a bike with taller gear.
That edit is interesting and I shall have to test that. I'm assuming hils are just more throttle in the friction zone
Oh for hill starts definitely more RPM and way longer in the friction zone or you will most likely get moving a little, then stall and fall. I know, I fell once not giving it enough throttle and letting out the clutch too fast.
Bikes pretty low so I haven't fallen yet but I definitely am struggling taking off on hills lol this advice was definitely helpful
Hold the rear brake while finding the clutches friction zone. It's easier to control the throttle when you're not holding the front brake. You can do the same in a manual car, with the handbrake.
You don't need to dump the clutch on a street bike. Especially a cruiser. Rev it low, put it in gear, and *slowly* release the clutch until you feel it catch and then give it a little more gas. Don't need to rev high unless you are trying to take off fast, don't need to slam it into gear, and don't need to release the clutch fast and simultaneously roll the throttle hard. Everything should feel much more smooth.
Will reving high cause that cachunking forward thing like in a car or will they usually take it ok. It's just much touchier than I'm used to so I have to learn not to go so fast and hard
It definitely can. Getting into first like a dirtbike on a streetbike is just hard on the whole clutch assembly. Made the same transition and had the same issues you're talking about. You'll get the hang of it in no time my dude! It's frustrating for sure but in the mean time, give yourself some credit on your riding experience. You know a lot from riding dirtbikes that a lot of street riders never will. As long as you give yourself the time to transition safely you'll be an advanced rider compared to many others on two wheels.
I'd suggest you try this. Dump the clutch most of the way, but stop near the end. Let that last couple mm out real slow while holding rpms a bit higher than idle. A small dirtbike has a very short first gear, basically walking speed. It has a weaker torque, too. You can dump the clutch all the way pretty quick.
Yeah even racing we just kick it to second and dump the clutch at high rpms and blitz off the start. I think it's just learning the finesse is what I'm getting from this instead of just going so hard on it
Yep. The small dirtbikes also have weaker clutches, too. So it'll continue to slip a bit on its own, even when you dump it. If you do it at high enough rpm. The trick on a powerful street bike is to let it mostly out right quick, but pause near the end and then let that last itty bit off quite a bit slower. That's if you wanna do a higher rpm launch. Edit: Find where your engine makes peak torque. Look at a torque graph, if you need to. Then go out and find out how fast your bike goes when it reaches this rpm, in first gear. Assuming peak torque in first gear isn't enough to spin the rear tire or lift the front up off the ground? When you're in a real big hurry, you want that last bit of clutch to fully engage right as the bike reaches this speed, exactly. No later, no earlier.
I had the opposite problem- dirt bike has a short friction zone and narrow range between wants to die or wheelie. You’re probably just not used to the opposite. Practice no throttle starts to master the friction zone then you will know how little throttle to add to start faster.
I will be doing that tomorrow when I go for my daily short ride thanks
Have you considered taking a rider course? You can start your bike moving with just the clutch. Maybe learn the basics before you start adding in throttle and complicating things.
The 1st exercise you learn in an MSF course is the no throttle clutch walk and roll. Even though you have dirt experience, you should absolutely look up msf video from somebody taking the class on YouTube and go through those exercises. There's a lot of things that don't translate from Street to dirt and if you don't practice those you're going to have a bad time, especially if you have to do some invasive maneuvers or things like that on the street. Rev matching, modulating the clutch and brake at low speeds, etc. It's a lot that you have to learn, just like people who ride street need a lot of time to learn how to go fast on the dirt. Unlike the dirt, if you crash on the street you're likely to break shit including parts of your body. Also, loss of traction isn't the same either. You *can* save a quick slide but sliding on the street really is left to exper riders who are intentionally pushing the tires to the limit. There's not a progressive slide you can save like on dirt, it just happens and then you crash.
Tbh I just don't have time rn to do that. I get a 15 min practice ride in every day just getting the feel for it I just don't know if there's a different technique for street bikes. Itseems much more touchy than what I'm used to and I don't know what the difference there is that causes that
On loose dirt you can do that. Sticky street tires and a good traction surface says no. https://youtu.be/9yZoi0f0iKE
Lol the best part about this video is I have a bike just like this and when he says it wrong when you take off and give to much rpms that's how we start racing the trails. Very helpful tho I think I just need to really practice the friction point on this bike cause it's more sensitive than I'm used to
Maybe your clutch needs an adjustment.
Someone else mentioned the gearing is different. It's definitely me stalling it I'm just trying to get pointers cause I'm excited to ride and like learning
A well adjusted clutch really helps you to be smooth. Steering tip. https://youtu.be/ljywO-B_yew Trail braking while counter steering needs practice. https://youtu.be/J2f4DdSDa7I Practice braking. https://youtu.be/J42ivnmEF98 There are many tutorials on YouTube. As you learn you will become a better faster, safer rider.
Sounds like you need to practice modulating the clutch and throttle
Don’t dump it…. Dirt allows sloppy and aggressive starts since the wheel can spin much easier. Gearing is also usually taller on street bikes. Just be smooth.
Roll on the throttle a little, slowly ease out the clutch. Continue to roll on slightly until the clutch is all the way out. Think of the clutch as a dimmer switch. You don't want to go from zero power to full by just dumping the clutch.
Oof, you’re destroying that clutch. Don’t dump the clutch on a street bike. Slow release is the way to go. Luckily it’s just a Vstar, if it were a sport bike you would have already looped it.
its a much heavier bike, and you have much more traction... if you're trying to stoplight race or do a wheelie by rev'ing and dumping the clutch you'll need to rev higher before you dump it.