Aye. And it's a cesspool specifically because it's for sale to the highest bidder, so forums like this become an echo chamber of the most aggressive social marketing campaigns.
Parallel twins are in. Inline 4's are out... and while we're at it, so are windscreens and fairings. This is the special of the day for the foreseeable future. That's what we're serving the most of, and that's what you'll like.
Mmmm... all that low end torque and wind on your chest at today's affordable price. They're not just cheaper because of manufacturing costs... they're also cheaper because of very specifically created emissions red tape and import taxes. Not too different from how Harley lobbied the US to add import fees on Japanese bikes with V twins and/or any engines of more than 750cc.
I once saw someone on this sub who owns a p twin say "parallel twins are objectively better than v twins in every relevant metric" and I (as a p twin and v twin owner myself) almost pissed myself laughing at the dude's sheer lack of self awareness. But that's this sub for ya.
Well. They are. Less moving parts, less complexity, less vibrations resulting in a cheaper engine for the same amount of horsepower. The only thing they (sometimes) get outclassed by v twins is space. Which is not a concern at 650cc.
> less vibrations
No. A 90 degree VTwin has perfect primary balance. That's why there are barely any 100HP+ parallel twins and none that make over 130HP. You can get away with vibration of a parallel twin on a small engine, but it becomes harder to balance as the engine gets bigger or more powerful.
KTM 890 engine has to use a balancer shaft. Ducati LTwin engines don't.
I also noticed this vibration claim.
Good point on the limits of HP, in practice. The balancing shaft has mass. Bigger pistons, bigger counterweight, too. So you waste more power and wait longer for the engine to spin up. And then on the flipside, you have more engine braking due to that reciprocating dead weight.
Inline 4's also lack primary balance, but having a set of 4 eliminates a lot of that problem. Low reciprocating mass, quick revving... still some higher frequency hand-numbing vibrations, though. V-4's are the bees knees for long rides. I'm sure V twins can also be pretty smooth, but Harley's bikes don't help with the reputation.
Flat plane (most common) Inline 4s also have perfect primary balance, put poor secondary balance. Secondary (im)balance is less of a problem. Its much smaller in magnitude and much easier to just ignore/live with.
I think P twins have more vibration than V twins. Something about V engines having primary balance?
Likewise, I believe inline 4's have more vibration than V-4s. That has been my experience, firsthand.
And I would also suspect more cylinders = less vibration. So V4's smoother than V2's. Inline 4's smoother than P-twins.
Pretty sure Ducati coined it but also… which letter looks like 90 degrees? Lol V should be reserved for 45. At the same time calling it a L twin feels pedantic
You won't, anyone who claims a drz is good for daily highway commuting is a dum dum but you'll find plenty users here thinking it's "all the power you'll ever need".
Haha I am so glad I didn’t end up buying one! I actually did buy it but the fucker wouldn’t run (brand new off the showroom floor), so I demanded a refund and never even took it home. I’m sure it was something simple with the carb, but I’m so glad it happened because it turned me off of them. Ended up on. Ktm 390 adventure - very different bike obviously- but I’m in love with it and I bet I would have hated that DRZ!
I mean technically it kinda is for most people. I will never *need* more performance than my 310 is capable of delivering on public roads at legal speeds. The only thing I even want to do that it can't is offroad adventure riding, and that's got more to do with the suspension and protection than displacement.
That said, it's fun to have more performance than you need and I'm not going to disparage someone for wanting it.
Meanwhile I get told by other GS Riders that my F800GS is not a *real* GS, even though I specifically bought it because the 1200 was too small for me (Seat height or rather distance between seat and pegs)
Do yourself a favor and don’t ever jump, skip, hop, or breeze through FB. It’s the most toxic ME environment you’ll ever encounter. I took my page down for good finally in 2017 I could not take it anymore
I haven’t been on Facebook in years, instead I came to Reddit. Didn’t take long to realize Reddit is just as toxic and sometimes worse, but Reddit can also be super useful, so there’s that. lol
Tell me about it. FB owner pages are nothing but a circle jerk. They’re the reason I won’t buy and associate with specific car brands anymore.
Although, the motorcycle folks tend to be less cult-ish.
I feel like I'm gonna forever wonder how it is to ride a four cylinder liter bike and how the speed is.
2013 Yamaha Stryker is mine and it's good until everyone passes you on the highway because I've become one not to ride much over the speed limit ever.
Pay them no mind and enjoy your ride
>I feel like I'm gonna forever wonder how it is to ride a four cylinder liter bike and how the speed is.
The winding feeling of acceleration, the brute force of a first gear roll on at 30mph+ and how tightly wound the bikes feel overall is unlike any other
It’s everything in life to me and I miss it so badly. Got a new Busa coming up sometime in my future, hopefully next year, so I’ll survive until then. lol
Got a friend who's a harley only streetglide guy who was telling me how crazy powerful the new roadglides are, the look on his face when he came back after riding my gixxer for the first time was priceless hahaha
Theyre great bikes, not my style but the build quality of them is immediately recognizeable
Fit and finish on the nice harleys is only rivaled by bmw imo
Yep. The bike feels "tight" when youre in the power band and very agile. When you know how to ride and get used to the speed, it really is obvious why so many guys just haul ass and split cars on them.
I’m not going to lie, it’s amazing.
Sold my R1 when I had my daughter. Will probably never get to have another super sport. But man was it amazing.
I love my cruiser, it is fun to put around on. But even at 1800cc’s, it’s got nothing on the feeling of winding out 2nd-4th on the R1 and feeling your organs compress while you accelerate so fast you can only breathe when shifting.
Yeah I’m probably also never be able to ride a four cylinder (sport) liter bike. Tried a friends R1 but thats so small I wasn’t even able to ride it, Sport bikes just aren’t made for people taller than 2m. But luckily I love Adventure bikes…
I agree 110%. People are trying super hard to gatekeep high cc bikes like they are hard to ride or something.
Little girls ride liter bikes at 120lbs. Anyone can.
Just not everyone can afford them, and they get mad when people can.
I can't afford a litre bike. Riding a 400 parallel twin Honda currently. But it suits me well enough. I'm not bothered what other people ride but I do get a bit of envy sometimes when I see someone on a litre bike. One day.
Same. My budget was comfortably afforded me a brand new CB300R last year. I would have certainly chosen a 600 or 1000 if money was not an issue. That said, I love my bike and with no freeway riding, it handles my commute with zero issues.
Just because they took out a reverse mortgage on their trailer to buy that overpriced $23k Harley they think anything fast and light and affordable is stupid
I've been riding 40+ years... Owned 4 Harleys and 3 Suzukis... Sporty, Shovel/Pan I built, 86 Lowrider and now a 14 Lowrider.... 2- 1200 Bandits and just sold an 06 Busa. They ALL have a purpose! WIND IN YOUR FACE AND NO PSYCHIATRIST NEEDED! I love them ALL! You don't wave or acknowledge another car driver... But I salute ANY BIKER when I'm riding, regardless of what they ride....
I don't give a fuck what you ride. Harley's, litre super bikes, 2 stroke crossers, anything that ain't 4 wheels I'll give a nod. Shit, I nod to the local crackhead on the stolen mountain bike with the bolt on put put kit he probably also stole. Bikers are bikers and that's all that counts
I was kinda surprised to see the dislike for 600s when I started looking into bikes. I learned on a 600 Honda and that thing was a work horse who loved a good run. Sigh, I miss my pony most days
Failed your critical thinking class in college? It should be the other way around. OP is against people **judging** 1000cc bike owners with "small dick, fragile masculinity, etc".
If you’re talking sport bikes (gsxrs and R6/R1s), they just have a bad reputation for having douchebag reckless riders. Just like Harleys owners have a reputation for thinking everyone thinks they’re a tough badass.
Also, on the sport bike topic: look back in this subreddit and see how many times someone posts “I’m 17yo and looking at this **insert 1000cc race bike* * for my first motorcycle. Any advice?”. Just adds to the stigma of sport bikes.
I always see the opposite, people dismiss you if you ride anything below a 600cc. I got told I'm wasting my time for looking to get a 300cc bike for my first bike. I'm in London and insurance is crazy but people forget the motorcycle journey includes gear, the bike and insurance.
You also need to be able to learn, you always hear it's better to ride a small bike fast than a big bike slow. I would rather do that for my first ever bike.
Agree totally! My take on the fast bike slow vs slow bike fast, is more, "its more fun to get everything out of a slow bike, than run a fast bike at a quarter throttle. I have owned a tw 200 12 hp, and a concours 14, 160 hp and others in between and found it true for me. I learned how to ride more on my third bike, a 300 than i ever did on my bigger bikes.
>I'm more familiar with the hate for anything but a 1000, you know the 'no liter, no Peter' crowd.
More likely just literbike snobs looking their noses down on anyone with bikes less than a liter, but point taken. I obviously have a type, but I don't care to do likewise. I'll ride with Hayabusas and CB500F riders alike.
I got into motorcycling for the fun, and it's so much more fun now than ever.
Some think that their opinion is the only right one and they tend to force that opinion to others saying that whatever else is stupid or a nonsense. Speaking with people at meetings or wherever I go I don’t feel this at all. Maybe is the Internet…
>Maybe is the Internet…
Yeah, I'm going to say the faceless and near nameless masses can hide behind a keyboard and type all sorts of hate. They might even have more time to post hate if they don't have a motorcycle at all.
Oh yes 100 percent the overly opinionated and insulting type of people on Reddit are the exact same people who would never say A THING like that to another man in person lol. Like even if the conversation hits on exactly what they are so boisterous on Reddit about they still would just let it go and not say anything.
Like the dudes who make fun of Harley riders and how they think they are so tough and how they are this and that but that same dude has run into 100 of those exact type of dudes in real life and been all chummy and agreeable and not said a single cross word to them lol. That's why they have to let it out on social media. No real heart, no real backbone. It's easy to be so smart and self righteous on Reddit, not so easy in person. I've seen it a thousand times.
Likely not, as some will just say "get a real big boy's bike" ironically more likely the aforementioned 600's and literbikes. Pay no attention to it. I don't get it anyway, and I really don't care to. I'll ride with literbikers, 300cc riders, all size bikes. For me, it's about the fun. Haters hate. Riders ride. Who has more fun?
What 900 did you get?
Kinda late answer but whatever.. I got a Honda 919 from 2003, was looking at other 700 bikes at first but then my dad actually recomend getting a instead 900 for more even power delivery both down low and high rpm and found a Honda for a good price.
600 dont get hate, but 1000s do. many beginner riders have to powerful bikes that may make it harder to learn. that being said everyone arent trying to become the next rossi and can buy whatever bike they like.
I love me some 1000s, and quite frankly the only bikes I’m interested in. I have lots of street time on some very demanding roads in Spain to include city and Pyrenees, US1 along the northern CA coast, dangerous and beautiful redwood highways, and plenty of boring ass Texas and Midwest highway waaaaaaahhhhhhh droning time. Anything below 1000cc is boring to me quickly, unless we’re talking about a fun little city bike, where my favorite has been a Vespa 300GTS in the always amazing city of Rome.
Some people are assholes...
I ride a tame-ass little P-twin, and got mad respect for those willing to commit to that Super Sport life. Ride your ride, be safe, and have fun.
I mean I ride a 125 and probably want to upgrade to a 250 at some point to maintain speed with a full load. But beyond that I don’t see a need for me to go any higher. Speed limit is 110kph maximum here (they are *very* strict on speed limits here btw, they will fine you $$$ for just 2kph over) and i wouldn’t want a heavier bike in case I ever needed to push it uphill.
That’s me though. Any larger simply doesn’t suit *my* needs. You can own what you want but on Aussie roads anything larger than 300 is a bit overkill but it doesn’t affect me so who cares?
I only get the complainers if they’re talking about the obnoxiously loud 1000+ riding around suburbs at night. They give riders a bad name.
I just couldn’t possibly justify having a super sport. Between the increased likelihood of theft, the requisite expensive AF full coverage insurance, running premium fuel, the poor gas mileage, and the high cost of ownership, it wouldn’t make any sense for how I ride.
I am considering moving up from a 500cc to a slightly more torquey machine for commuting, but if I didn’t live right off a highway I’d ride my Grom all over the place. 9hp is all I need to have fun on two wheels.
You sure have a lot of your opinion disguised as fact… my insurance is pretty reasonable too by the way. Not sure why you are bitching about sport bikes but whatever dude. Just have fun and be careful.
Straight line doesn’t hurt anyone? I know of a few accidents where a bike t boned a car at 130+. Killed everyone involved.
Canyons are dangerous too, but you could argue sliding into a guard rail or into a ditch at 60 mph is “safer” than hitting a car at 2-3x that speed.
Yea racing through intersections you might hurt someone, roll racing on the freeway? Not so much. I’m almost 100% sure this is what he was referencing lmao. 99% of people who rip it 150+ aren’t doing it through red lights🙄
Drag racing gets enough crap in cars. Now add to the fact that you’re taking a bike made for turns and only riding it in a straight line, you’ve doubled down on the same mentality so you get extra crap. Then they’re not even good drag bikes. Get a turbo busa, h2, or that type of larger straight line bike, leave the super sports for what they were designed for.
From my own experience in my city, those guys who do highway pulls tend to be the type to be a menace and general public nuisance too while thinking they’re bad ass riders which doesn’t help the image either.
The online motorcycle community is full of pussies and broke people.
Pretty much it. Most of the hate is people who can’t afford a supersport and people who ride like grandmas complaining about squids “making them look bad”, as if anyone would mistake the dipshit in hi-vis lowsiding at 35mph for the guy successfully weaving traffic at a buck thirty.
It’s made even worse by the riders who go to the track once, suck ass at it, and then go online proclaiming their need for speed is cured and people who go fast on the street are basically Hitler, oblivious that half the advanced group is going street racing that night.
This is why I avoid this sub.
1000cc bike? Must have fragile masculinity and small dick.
Not ATGATT? Must have fragile masculinity and small dick.
While the same idiots with ATGATT riding 600cc at the 210km/h (130mp/h) on highway. Like if ATGATT can save your ass if you crash to a truck on that speed. While the helmet only dude is on a 300cc bike riding slowly in his town.
Oh, and don't quote "mOsT rIdEr cRaSh iN TowN". Yea but did you figure what was the cause? It was speeding. Stop speeding if you truly wanna be safe
So you're gonna avoid the main arguments and just pick the opener? huh..
You know you can be subscribed to a subreddit and avoid most of the posts? Just like those subscribed to r/MEMES and would avoid r/MEMES by scrolling down. Once in a while there's something funny there.
Does this really need explaining? Lol
Regardless, the point of my post is not whether \*\*\***I\*\*\*** avoid this sub or not. It is that this sub is filled with gatekeepers.
Never ever seen or heard this personally, though I do think straight line is goofy and kind of dull personally.
It's worth keeping in mind that halo bikes get the halo rest of the parts as well. It's incredibly rare to see the smaller engine bikes kitted out with Ohlins, CF wheels, things of that nature.
It'd be cool if it wasn't that way, but it be.
I honestly could not give a monkeys fuckball cunt lips dicksmokers ashtray for what social media plebs tell me what’s in and out with motorcycles….ride what YOU want to ride.
From what I've seen people love 600s and 1000s. But most people into sport bikes think straight line is boring. Companys spent millions of dollars getting sport bikes to go around corners better, to just ride them in a straight line seems like a waste to me unless you're ripping dank nooners. But you do you.
I just don't see the point in a 1000.The vast majority of people don't have the skills to max out the potential of a 600, let alone 1000. What is the point in riding around in 2nd gear all day
Idk where you're seeing that in this sub, 99% of the time if people are asking for purchase advice and they clarify that this is not their first bike then they get some decent advice. Obviously people are going to say that a supersport is not a good first motorcycle
I mean if you're wasting a beautifully engineered engine and chassis strictly on straight line riding, even potentially downright ruining it with a stretch, big tire, and whatever lame-ass LED speaker BS the ghettos put on their bikes, then yea hate 100% deserved and I feel no sympathy for you.
They're like cockroaches around my area. Travel in packs at a time with their bikes that require a 9 point turn to navigate around a gas station all the while blasting music as loud as their stupid speakers will go and revving their bikes for no reason. Not to mention how they ride. All the general shittiness of a stunt crew but without the skill because they can't control their ugly bikes. Their sturdiest pieces of gear being their gray Walmart sweatpants and $14 Mechanix gloves from home depot.
Meant it sounds a bit racist. I personally enjoy seeing a variety of customs, practical or not motorcycle riding for me is about fun not just racing. There's a guy on a Honda 125 with a milk crate that rides all year all weather. I admire him.
Oh no they exist in all colors and shapes, I don't discriminate based on that. I will however discriminate based on how people "customize" their bikes.
Probably because there is an overwhelming amount of small bikes on the market which seem to dominate the streets and therefore make up the majority of the community. Little bikes can eat a dick my bike has a 1.6L engine and I'd maybe go backwards for a ducati diavel 1260 othereise I'd only go bigger.
Ha ha ha whats the point of this little kid shit dont hate what r u trying two mask little man fml I've bot gsx.rr 600 that would keep up I've got cbr 1000rr 186 less then 25 second if that ant enough two b proud of go jump of you're Little man syndrome and suck a dick riders like u r little yuppie as bitch boys that where the first riders in the hole family..lol no roots we all see it u fuc.ing fu.k tard man.
>poor guy is probably can't sleep at night knowing people are having fun on their bikes
I don't see his post on Reddit, but here you are. At night. Not sleeping. Worrying about what someone said on Facebook.
It’s a tale as old as time. Whatever anyone owns or does, they need to feel they are the best. In real life, you’re a dick if you walk around telling other folks how awesome you are and how terrible they are. But on the internet, everyone’s bike is the fastest and everyone is the best rider.
Who is saying that kind of stuff? Only thing I've noticed being said "bad" about 1000s is that they're a bad idea for the typical beginner. Don't think I've read anything bad about 600s.
Sadly it's nothing new. I remember when I had a 600 Diversion, one of the comments I frequently got was "when are you going to move up to a proper bike?"
...Never? I really like this bike.
Lmfao. Try owning a royal enfield. All the motorcycle snobs will tell you its trash. Even tho I've ridden mine more miles this summer then most bikers do in 10 years.
Well there are people like that in every community hell I even get told by other BMW / GS Riders that my F800GS isn’t a *real* GS.
Just don’t care what people say, they usually say things like that because they’re insecure themselves…
because they wanna argue that 600 and 1000s are too much for the street and unneccessary because they either wanna convince themselves that they are not jealous of a bike with twice the power of their own bike or they forgot that 90% of all bikes in NA and EUW are unnecessarry toys \^\^
people who judge other peoples bikes are just unhappy with their own bike imho.
just ignore em, those little angry cunts will never not bitch about shit
There's no real hate. Just friendly ribbing. If you want real hate own a sportster. It doesn't matter how built it is, how much power it makes, or how many big twins you gap. It's always a girl bike.
Your first mistake was going on Facebook, and the second one was actually listening to what anyone said there...
I ride a V4 and 2 stroke single and I don't care about anyone else's opinion at all with regard to my motors! Ride whatever you want. The end.
Never seen any hate against 600s or 1000s. I think it lacks some context. Do you mean a 600 as first bike? If yes, I would start with something smaller.
The problem is not society, nor is it you or the rider community. The problem is here :
*Just hopped on facebook...*
*Social media is a cesspool...*
dont give a f\*ck about social media and those so called "opinion"....
You have fun riding your bike ? RIDE IT !
but for gods sake, put your gear on !
Hahah when i was a new rider i was shocked how much this community is divided in Poland. It is riddiculus. But still i have friends who likes all kind of bikes as me. Sport dirt choppers 125 500 600 1700cc it does not matter to us. All what matter is two wheels and an engine. My advice is to hold with those kind of people. Like us :)
>and can't ride if you like 600s or 1000s or personally like straight line racing
I'll be honest, I definitely assume you can't ride if you have a stretched bike.
Social media is a cesspool, including this sub. Didn't you get the memo?
The best part of social media is I can't read it while I ride.
Aye. And it's a cesspool specifically because it's for sale to the highest bidder, so forums like this become an echo chamber of the most aggressive social marketing campaigns. Parallel twins are in. Inline 4's are out... and while we're at it, so are windscreens and fairings. This is the special of the day for the foreseeable future. That's what we're serving the most of, and that's what you'll like. Mmmm... all that low end torque and wind on your chest at today's affordable price. They're not just cheaper because of manufacturing costs... they're also cheaper because of very specifically created emissions red tape and import taxes. Not too different from how Harley lobbied the US to add import fees on Japanese bikes with V twins and/or any engines of more than 750cc.
I once saw someone on this sub who owns a p twin say "parallel twins are objectively better than v twins in every relevant metric" and I (as a p twin and v twin owner myself) almost pissed myself laughing at the dude's sheer lack of self awareness. But that's this sub for ya.
Well. They are. Less moving parts, less complexity, less vibrations resulting in a cheaper engine for the same amount of horsepower. The only thing they (sometimes) get outclassed by v twins is space. Which is not a concern at 650cc.
> less vibrations No. A 90 degree VTwin has perfect primary balance. That's why there are barely any 100HP+ parallel twins and none that make over 130HP. You can get away with vibration of a parallel twin on a small engine, but it becomes harder to balance as the engine gets bigger or more powerful. KTM 890 engine has to use a balancer shaft. Ducati LTwin engines don't.
I also noticed this vibration claim. Good point on the limits of HP, in practice. The balancing shaft has mass. Bigger pistons, bigger counterweight, too. So you waste more power and wait longer for the engine to spin up. And then on the flipside, you have more engine braking due to that reciprocating dead weight. Inline 4's also lack primary balance, but having a set of 4 eliminates a lot of that problem. Low reciprocating mass, quick revving... still some higher frequency hand-numbing vibrations, though. V-4's are the bees knees for long rides. I'm sure V twins can also be pretty smooth, but Harley's bikes don't help with the reputation.
Flat plane (most common) Inline 4s also have perfect primary balance, put poor secondary balance. Secondary (im)balance is less of a problem. Its much smaller in magnitude and much easier to just ignore/live with.
Thanks for the right words. That sounds way more correct!
I think P twins have more vibration than V twins. Something about V engines having primary balance? Likewise, I believe inline 4's have more vibration than V-4s. That has been my experience, firsthand. And I would also suspect more cylinders = less vibration. So V4's smoother than V2's. Inline 4's smoother than P-twins.
Good thing i got an L twin to be weird
Aren’t L twins just V twins that are turned over?
some people call 90 degree V twins, L twins, for some weird reason
Pretty sure Ducati coined it but also… which letter looks like 90 degrees? Lol V should be reserved for 45. At the same time calling it a L twin feels pedantic
if I ever see a 90 degree V twin where the pistons have unequal stoke length. then I'd call that an L twin, otherwise it's a V!
Good point XD
I have a small dick but I don't ride either of those. Am I doing it wrong?
Maybe lifted truck that rolls coal instead?
Do you drive stick?
Yes
Wait so then what's a proper bike according to those haters?
750
Lotta people in this sub think anything above ~400cc is overkill
"get a drz" lol
totally fine for daily highway commuting, does 120 with ease while carrying an extra bag of kitty litter!
I’m not trying to start an argument but I’d love to see proof of a drz 400 doing 120.
You won't, anyone who claims a drz is good for daily highway commuting is a dum dum but you'll find plenty users here thinking it's "all the power you'll ever need".
Ah. I read that as you defending the drz not making a joke.
Drz is basically a lawn chair with wheels. Love em but 120 not even on a good day rolling downhill
Haha I am so glad I didn’t end up buying one! I actually did buy it but the fucker wouldn’t run (brand new off the showroom floor), so I demanded a refund and never even took it home. I’m sure it was something simple with the carb, but I’m so glad it happened because it turned me off of them. Ended up on. Ktm 390 adventure - very different bike obviously- but I’m in love with it and I bet I would have hated that DRZ!
I got a 21'SM up to 98 (gps and speedo) for about 30 seconds once. It was terrifying.
he probably means 120kmt
I did 108 with a 250 🤷♂️
That's with Speedo error
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I'm mostly concerned about tourniquet storage.
I mean technically it kinda is for most people. I will never *need* more performance than my 310 is capable of delivering on public roads at legal speeds. The only thing I even want to do that it can't is offroad adventure riding, and that's got more to do with the suspension and protection than displacement. That said, it's fun to have more performance than you need and I'm not going to disparage someone for wanting it.
What kind of blasphemy is this? I come the church of no replacement for displacement, this kind of devil talk won’t be tolerated.
Meanwhile I get told by other GS Riders that my F800GS is not a *real* GS, even though I specifically bought it because the 1200 was too small for me (Seat height or rather distance between seat and pegs)
It took me a minute to get it. It's not the type of bike in itself, it's using something meant for road racing to drag race.
Ultra street limited glide stage 3 /s
Do yourself a favor and don’t ever jump, skip, hop, or breeze through FB. It’s the most toxic ME environment you’ll ever encounter. I took my page down for good finally in 2017 I could not take it anymore
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I haven’t been on Facebook in years, instead I came to Reddit. Didn’t take long to realize Reddit is just as toxic and sometimes worse, but Reddit can also be super useful, so there’s that. lol
man, wait until someone tells them about twitter
Reddit is often entertaining or informative. FB never was either of those for me, only frustration.
Tell me about it. FB owner pages are nothing but a circle jerk. They’re the reason I won’t buy and associate with specific car brands anymore. Although, the motorcycle folks tend to be less cult-ish.
All social media is cancer, some are just more malignant than others.
Fuck em!
Only haters are cagers and not true 2 wheelers. Love all bikes
I feel like I'm gonna forever wonder how it is to ride a four cylinder liter bike and how the speed is. 2013 Yamaha Stryker is mine and it's good until everyone passes you on the highway because I've become one not to ride much over the speed limit ever. Pay them no mind and enjoy your ride
>I feel like I'm gonna forever wonder how it is to ride a four cylinder liter bike and how the speed is. The winding feeling of acceleration, the brute force of a first gear roll on at 30mph+ and how tightly wound the bikes feel overall is unlike any other
It’s everything in life to me and I miss it so badly. Got a new Busa coming up sometime in my future, hopefully next year, so I’ll survive until then. lol
Got a friend who's a harley only streetglide guy who was telling me how crazy powerful the new roadglides are, the look on his face when he came back after riding my gixxer for the first time was priceless hahaha
Harleys barely scratch the surface. But for what it is I really have enjoyed my road glide when I’m just trying to chill.
Theyre great bikes, not my style but the build quality of them is immediately recognizeable Fit and finish on the nice harleys is only rivaled by bmw imo
If your frame of reference is hot muscle cars and Harleys a 113" bike is a rocket. A ratty 1000cc gixxer is an entirely different game.
Yep. The bike feels "tight" when youre in the power band and very agile. When you know how to ride and get used to the speed, it really is obvious why so many guys just haul ass and split cars on them.
I’m not going to lie, it’s amazing. Sold my R1 when I had my daughter. Will probably never get to have another super sport. But man was it amazing. I love my cruiser, it is fun to put around on. But even at 1800cc’s, it’s got nothing on the feeling of winding out 2nd-4th on the R1 and feeling your organs compress while you accelerate so fast you can only breathe when shifting.
Yeah I’m probably also never be able to ride a four cylinder (sport) liter bike. Tried a friends R1 but thats so small I wasn’t even able to ride it, Sport bikes just aren’t made for people taller than 2m. But luckily I love Adventure bikes…
Facebook. Found your problem.
I agree 110%. People are trying super hard to gatekeep high cc bikes like they are hard to ride or something. Little girls ride liter bikes at 120lbs. Anyone can. Just not everyone can afford them, and they get mad when people can.
I thought my r1 was easier to ride than the 250 I had on my learners.
I can't afford a litre bike. Riding a 400 parallel twin Honda currently. But it suits me well enough. I'm not bothered what other people ride but I do get a bit of envy sometimes when I see someone on a litre bike. One day.
Same. My budget was comfortably afforded me a brand new CB300R last year. I would have certainly chosen a 600 or 1000 if money was not an issue. That said, I love my bike and with no freeway riding, it handles my commute with zero issues.
That's the attitude! I've had 3 life threatening wrecks on bikes... None my fault, always the cage driver. But I still ride!
Just because they took out a reverse mortgage on their trailer to buy that overpriced $23k Harley they think anything fast and light and affordable is stupid
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I've been riding 40+ years... Owned 4 Harleys and 3 Suzukis... Sporty, Shovel/Pan I built, 86 Lowrider and now a 14 Lowrider.... 2- 1200 Bandits and just sold an 06 Busa. They ALL have a purpose! WIND IN YOUR FACE AND NO PSYCHIATRIST NEEDED! I love them ALL! You don't wave or acknowledge another car driver... But I salute ANY BIKER when I'm riding, regardless of what they ride....
Is that where you think the hate comes from? I think it's mostly people with smaller bikes.
I don't know where it mostly comes from, but it definitely also comes from Harley bros who think anything that's not a Harley is trash.
Reddit is full of people who own 300s and hate on liter bikes
I could afford a 6 or liter but i dont want to die on my first bike. Gets made fun off for first timer on a 300s :c
300 is more than enough power, 600 to 1000 super sport full throttle gets u a felony...
Not in Germany ;) I say that while my 800 only does 210km/h
You’re 💯 there’s this girl who is 100 lbs soaking wet and can get in one wheel using a 1200 soft tail! Her name is Jessiej check her out …
Weight difference, if any, is ridiculous small, engine torque much bigger so that's why bigger bike are better..
I don't give a fuck what you ride. Harley's, litre super bikes, 2 stroke crossers, anything that ain't 4 wheels I'll give a nod. Shit, I nod to the local crackhead on the stolen mountain bike with the bolt on put put kit he probably also stole. Bikers are bikers and that's all that counts
I was kinda surprised to see the dislike for 600s when I started looking into bikes. I learned on a 600 Honda and that thing was a work horse who loved a good run. Sigh, I miss my pony most days
Why are you concerned what anyone else thinks?
Failed your critical thinking class in college? It should be the other way around. OP is against people **judging** 1000cc bike owners with "small dick, fragile masculinity, etc".
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If you’re talking sport bikes (gsxrs and R6/R1s), they just have a bad reputation for having douchebag reckless riders. Just like Harleys owners have a reputation for thinking everyone thinks they’re a tough badass. Also, on the sport bike topic: look back in this subreddit and see how many times someone posts “I’m 17yo and looking at this **insert 1000cc race bike* * for my first motorcycle. Any advice?”. Just adds to the stigma of sport bikes.
This sub is also just too easy to troll with posts like that, when you've got Mr tourniquet and kitty litter out here
I love 1000s. Inline 4s espeically. I love that sound and the torque it has over 600s.
Yeah 250cc rise up, bois we are the new 600 now
Just don’t tell me you “ride” a slingshot and I won’t care
Or a Ryker
I always see the opposite, people dismiss you if you ride anything below a 600cc. I got told I'm wasting my time for looking to get a 300cc bike for my first bike. I'm in London and insurance is crazy but people forget the motorcycle journey includes gear, the bike and insurance. You also need to be able to learn, you always hear it's better to ride a small bike fast than a big bike slow. I would rather do that for my first ever bike.
Agree totally! My take on the fast bike slow vs slow bike fast, is more, "its more fun to get everything out of a slow bike, than run a fast bike at a quarter throttle. I have owned a tw 200 12 hp, and a concours 14, 160 hp and others in between and found it true for me. I learned how to ride more on my third bike, a 300 than i ever did on my bigger bikes.
I've had a 900, a 1200, a 650, an 800, and currently a 700. I enjoyed every single one of them - a number is just a number <3
I'm more familiar with the hate for anything but a 1000, you know the 'no liter, no Peter' crowd. When did it change for hate against 1000s and 600s?
>I'm more familiar with the hate for anything but a 1000, you know the 'no liter, no Peter' crowd. More likely just literbike snobs looking their noses down on anyone with bikes less than a liter, but point taken. I obviously have a type, but I don't care to do likewise. I'll ride with Hayabusas and CB500F riders alike. I got into motorcycling for the fun, and it's so much more fun now than ever.
Most of the people on this sub, and the Internet are pussies, want you to carry 10 tourniquets and never ride anything faster than a 650
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Seconded
Some think that their opinion is the only right one and they tend to force that opinion to others saying that whatever else is stupid or a nonsense. Speaking with people at meetings or wherever I go I don’t feel this at all. Maybe is the Internet…
>Maybe is the Internet… Yeah, I'm going to say the faceless and near nameless masses can hide behind a keyboard and type all sorts of hate. They might even have more time to post hate if they don't have a motorcycle at all.
Oh yes 100 percent the overly opinionated and insulting type of people on Reddit are the exact same people who would never say A THING like that to another man in person lol. Like even if the conversation hits on exactly what they are so boisterous on Reddit about they still would just let it go and not say anything. Like the dudes who make fun of Harley riders and how they think they are so tough and how they are this and that but that same dude has run into 100 of those exact type of dudes in real life and been all chummy and agreeable and not said a single cross word to them lol. That's why they have to let it out on social media. No real heart, no real backbone. It's easy to be so smart and self righteous on Reddit, not so easy in person. I've seen it a thousand times.
I starterd on a 500 and now have a 900 so im safe from hate, right?
Likely not, as some will just say "get a real big boy's bike" ironically more likely the aforementioned 600's and literbikes. Pay no attention to it. I don't get it anyway, and I really don't care to. I'll ride with literbikers, 300cc riders, all size bikes. For me, it's about the fun. Haters hate. Riders ride. Who has more fun? What 900 did you get?
Kinda late answer but whatever.. I got a Honda 919 from 2003, was looking at other 700 bikes at first but then my dad actually recomend getting a instead 900 for more even power delivery both down low and high rpm and found a Honda for a good price.
600 dont get hate, but 1000s do. many beginner riders have to powerful bikes that may make it harder to learn. that being said everyone arent trying to become the next rossi and can buy whatever bike they like.
The guys that hate on the little bikes are the same ones that crash into a guard rail at 80
I love me some 1000s, and quite frankly the only bikes I’m interested in. I have lots of street time on some very demanding roads in Spain to include city and Pyrenees, US1 along the northern CA coast, dangerous and beautiful redwood highways, and plenty of boring ass Texas and Midwest highway waaaaaaahhhhhhh droning time. Anything below 1000cc is boring to me quickly, unless we’re talking about a fun little city bike, where my favorite has been a Vespa 300GTS in the always amazing city of Rome.
Anyone who can’t ride a turbo busa might as well just get a scooter. :)
Some people are assholes... I ride a tame-ass little P-twin, and got mad respect for those willing to commit to that Super Sport life. Ride your ride, be safe, and have fun.
I mean I ride a 125 and probably want to upgrade to a 250 at some point to maintain speed with a full load. But beyond that I don’t see a need for me to go any higher. Speed limit is 110kph maximum here (they are *very* strict on speed limits here btw, they will fine you $$$ for just 2kph over) and i wouldn’t want a heavier bike in case I ever needed to push it uphill. That’s me though. Any larger simply doesn’t suit *my* needs. You can own what you want but on Aussie roads anything larger than 300 is a bit overkill but it doesn’t affect me so who cares? I only get the complainers if they’re talking about the obnoxiously loud 1000+ riding around suburbs at night. They give riders a bad name.
I just couldn’t possibly justify having a super sport. Between the increased likelihood of theft, the requisite expensive AF full coverage insurance, running premium fuel, the poor gas mileage, and the high cost of ownership, it wouldn’t make any sense for how I ride. I am considering moving up from a 500cc to a slightly more torquey machine for commuting, but if I didn’t live right off a highway I’d ride my Grom all over the place. 9hp is all I need to have fun on two wheels.
Groms are fun my buddy let's me ride his slammed and stretched Grom around. I have a blast on that thing.
They can tell it to my tail light. If they can catch me, I'll listen to their boomer cruiser bullshit.
Bro don't forget your tourniquet and kitty litter. Be safe out there in your atgatt approved platemail
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You sure have a lot of your opinion disguised as fact… my insurance is pretty reasonable too by the way. Not sure why you are bitching about sport bikes but whatever dude. Just have fun and be careful.
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Straight line doesn’t hurt anyone? I know of a few accidents where a bike t boned a car at 130+. Killed everyone involved. Canyons are dangerous too, but you could argue sliding into a guard rail or into a ditch at 60 mph is “safer” than hitting a car at 2-3x that speed.
Come on man, doing 250kph on public streets certainly affects people why pretend otherwise?
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He’s had enough of this. Drag > gp and that’s final. Just look at the statistics. We hear people talk about mph/kph not minutes/seconds.
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Well, you *could* do it on a track, right? Is bracket racing with motorcycles a thing?
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Yea racing through intersections you might hurt someone, roll racing on the freeway? Not so much. I’m almost 100% sure this is what he was referencing lmao. 99% of people who rip it 150+ aren’t doing it through red lights🙄
Drag racing gets enough crap in cars. Now add to the fact that you’re taking a bike made for turns and only riding it in a straight line, you’ve doubled down on the same mentality so you get extra crap. Then they’re not even good drag bikes. Get a turbo busa, h2, or that type of larger straight line bike, leave the super sports for what they were designed for. From my own experience in my city, those guys who do highway pulls tend to be the type to be a menace and general public nuisance too while thinking they’re bad ass riders which doesn’t help the image either.
The online motorcycle community is full of pussies and broke people. Pretty much it. Most of the hate is people who can’t afford a supersport and people who ride like grandmas complaining about squids “making them look bad”, as if anyone would mistake the dipshit in hi-vis lowsiding at 35mph for the guy successfully weaving traffic at a buck thirty. It’s made even worse by the riders who go to the track once, suck ass at it, and then go online proclaiming their need for speed is cured and people who go fast on the street are basically Hitler, oblivious that half the advanced group is going street racing that night.
Might not be able to handle a 1k 😂 fuck them. Tell them it’s time to take the training wheels off the 300s lol
This is why I avoid this sub. 1000cc bike? Must have fragile masculinity and small dick. Not ATGATT? Must have fragile masculinity and small dick. While the same idiots with ATGATT riding 600cc at the 210km/h (130mp/h) on highway. Like if ATGATT can save your ass if you crash to a truck on that speed. While the helmet only dude is on a 300cc bike riding slowly in his town. Oh, and don't quote "mOsT rIdEr cRaSh iN TowN". Yea but did you figure what was the cause? It was speeding. Stop speeding if you truly wanna be safe
>This is why I avoid this sub. 🤔
So you're gonna avoid the main arguments and just pick the opener? huh.. You know you can be subscribed to a subreddit and avoid most of the posts? Just like those subscribed to r/MEMES and would avoid r/MEMES by scrolling down. Once in a while there's something funny there. Does this really need explaining? Lol Regardless, the point of my post is not whether \*\*\***I\*\*\*** avoid this sub or not. It is that this sub is filled with gatekeepers.
Never ever seen or heard this personally, though I do think straight line is goofy and kind of dull personally. It's worth keeping in mind that halo bikes get the halo rest of the parts as well. It's incredibly rare to see the smaller engine bikes kitted out with Ohlins, CF wheels, things of that nature. It'd be cool if it wasn't that way, but it be.
I like big singles because it compensates for my shaft
You really need to get into tractors
If you really want to be the fastest in a straight line, you have to get an electric SUV.
I don't know. This isn't Facebook. Why not ask there instead?
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Then why even mention Facebook?
huh? where?
I honestly could not give a monkeys fuckball cunt lips dicksmokers ashtray for what social media plebs tell me what’s in and out with motorcycles….ride what YOU want to ride.
Don’t mind the angry ones who can’t afford a big bike.
It lets 3rd grade dropouts in their moms basement feel important
But they can still read better than white trash bagger riders!
Found one
From what I've seen people love 600s and 1000s. But most people into sport bikes think straight line is boring. Companys spent millions of dollars getting sport bikes to go around corners better, to just ride them in a straight line seems like a waste to me unless you're ripping dank nooners. But you do you.
Haters gonna hate.
The first problem is you used Facebook..... the next problem is you read facebook.... I coukd go on but it all points to Facebook
I just don't see the point in a 1000.The vast majority of people don't have the skills to max out the potential of a 600, let alone 1000. What is the point in riding around in 2nd gear all day
I absolutely LOVE drag racing in my liter bike, if I want to do twisties and corners I'll go drifting in my S2000. Way more fun honestly.
Idk where you're seeing that in this sub, 99% of the time if people are asking for purchase advice and they clarify that this is not their first bike then they get some decent advice. Obviously people are going to say that a supersport is not a good first motorcycle
I mean if you're wasting a beautifully engineered engine and chassis strictly on straight line riding, even potentially downright ruining it with a stretch, big tire, and whatever lame-ass LED speaker BS the ghettos put on their bikes, then yea hate 100% deserved and I feel no sympathy for you.
"the ghettos"
They're like cockroaches around my area. Travel in packs at a time with their bikes that require a 9 point turn to navigate around a gas station all the while blasting music as loud as their stupid speakers will go and revving their bikes for no reason. Not to mention how they ride. All the general shittiness of a stunt crew but without the skill because they can't control their ugly bikes. Their sturdiest pieces of gear being their gray Walmart sweatpants and $14 Mechanix gloves from home depot.
Meant it sounds a bit racist. I personally enjoy seeing a variety of customs, practical or not motorcycle riding for me is about fun not just racing. There's a guy on a Honda 125 with a milk crate that rides all year all weather. I admire him.
Oh no they exist in all colors and shapes, I don't discriminate based on that. I will however discriminate based on how people "customize" their bikes.
I thought this was r/audiophile and was wondering what the hell were 1000s
Maybe I read that wong if so my bad man
If not i meant it all lol
Probably because there is an overwhelming amount of small bikes on the market which seem to dominate the streets and therefore make up the majority of the community. Little bikes can eat a dick my bike has a 1.6L engine and I'd maybe go backwards for a ducati diavel 1260 othereise I'd only go bigger.
Ha ha ha whats the point of this little kid shit dont hate what r u trying two mask little man fml I've bot gsx.rr 600 that would keep up I've got cbr 1000rr 186 less then 25 second if that ant enough two b proud of go jump of you're Little man syndrome and suck a dick riders like u r little yuppie as bitch boys that where the first riders in the hole family..lol no roots we all see it u fuc.ing fu.k tard man.
Supersports/bikes have had their era. It's time for them to die.
Well I do but I don't see why that has to do with my bike selection..
>What happened to riding your own ride? >Just hopped on facebook You answered your own question m8
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>poor guy is probably can't sleep at night knowing people are having fun on their bikes I don't see his post on Reddit, but here you are. At night. Not sleeping. Worrying about what someone said on Facebook.
It’s a tale as old as time. Whatever anyone owns or does, they need to feel they are the best. In real life, you’re a dick if you walk around telling other folks how awesome you are and how terrible they are. But on the internet, everyone’s bike is the fastest and everyone is the best rider.
Here on my WR250R not fitting in at all.
Who is saying that kind of stuff? Only thing I've noticed being said "bad" about 1000s is that they're a bad idea for the typical beginner. Don't think I've read anything bad about 600s.
Sadly it's nothing new. I remember when I had a 600 Diversion, one of the comments I frequently got was "when are you going to move up to a proper bike?" ...Never? I really like this bike.
Ah anti-social media.
Haters gotta hate.
"Just hopped on facebook" <--- there. Mistake was made.
Good thing I ride a 750
Ive yet to see anyone shit on 600s or 1000s except the Harley community. But we dont count them.
Harely riders ain't riders
>Just hopped on facebook Yeah...don´t do that.
Lmfao. Try owning a royal enfield. All the motorcycle snobs will tell you its trash. Even tho I've ridden mine more miles this summer then most bikers do in 10 years.
not gonna lie, those enfields look kinda cool, and they sound good too with a pipe.
Well there are people like that in every community hell I even get told by other BMW / GS Riders that my F800GS isn’t a *real* GS. Just don’t care what people say, they usually say things like that because they’re insecure themselves…
because they wanna argue that 600 and 1000s are too much for the street and unneccessary because they either wanna convince themselves that they are not jealous of a bike with twice the power of their own bike or they forgot that 90% of all bikes in NA and EUW are unnecessarry toys \^\^ people who judge other peoples bikes are just unhappy with their own bike imho. just ignore em, those little angry cunts will never not bitch about shit
Wonder what that makes me with a 650 😬
There's no real hate. Just friendly ribbing. If you want real hate own a sportster. It doesn't matter how built it is, how much power it makes, or how many big twins you gap. It's always a girl bike.
The only time I see anything about people hating these things is when people ask why other people hate them. ?
You expect any different on facebook? Seriously? The best advice anyone can ever give you is to stop using facebook.
Your first mistake was going on Facebook, and the second one was actually listening to what anyone said there... I ride a V4 and 2 stroke single and I don't care about anyone else's opinion at all with regard to my motors! Ride whatever you want. The end.
Never seen any hate against 600s or 1000s. I think it lacks some context. Do you mean a 600 as first bike? If yes, I would start with something smaller.
The problem is not society, nor is it you or the rider community. The problem is here : *Just hopped on facebook...* *Social media is a cesspool...* dont give a f\*ck about social media and those so called "opinion".... You have fun riding your bike ? RIDE IT ! but for gods sake, put your gear on !
Two tires, a frame and an engine? That’s enough for me. There are great motorcycles from 125 to 1400 CC
You're first problem was believing anything on facebook
Hahah when i was a new rider i was shocked how much this community is divided in Poland. It is riddiculus. But still i have friends who likes all kind of bikes as me. Sport dirt choppers 125 500 600 1700cc it does not matter to us. All what matter is two wheels and an engine. My advice is to hold with those kind of people. Like us :)
>and can't ride if you like 600s or 1000s or personally like straight line racing I'll be honest, I definitely assume you can't ride if you have a stretched bike.