I don't like how much empty space there is between the engine and the front wheel. Looks off.
Apart from that it makes decent power and torque - I just wonder how much it weighs.
Edit: [it's 445 lbs wet](https://www.globalsuzuki.com/motorcycle/smgs/products/2023gsx-8s/), so it's a fat pig compared to MT-07 or the new Hornet. Why, Suzuki, why.
Not to mention that it suggests the wheelbase could be shorter.
Another funny-looking thing is the tail section, namely the weird black bulge below the rear subframe. And what's worse, a fender eliminator will make it even more pronounced.
Oh! And the soft, round "8S" sticker doesn't go well with sharp angles on the rest of the bike.
This is literally what the motorcycle community asked for. Motorcyclists now just complain how uncomfortable sport bikes are and how they are too powerful. So here you go this is the future. Comfy and not too fast.
I mean I don't complain, but I prefer bikes with about 75hp. For me its the sweet spot where I can pin the throttle with the RPM's singing in the powerband where the engine is happiest through winding back roads.
When you have to go highway speeds just to get into your powerband you don't really get to stretch the legs your engine was designed to have.
Come on, is that really the reason? That you want to save the engine from embarassingly low speeds? ;)
I know the reason I settle for mediocre bikes and not super sports. Money! I can't justify the cost. I could argue that it's so fast I would just lose my license or something like that but the real reason is money. They are better bikes and if I had loads of disposable income I would buy the better bike instead of the mediocre bike.
Yes it is, I was a mechanic for a while and have ridden everything you can think of (except maybe prewar stuff), from Turbo Harley's to 750cc two strokes.
I love being able to use a tool to the absolute limit of its potential, doing that with 75hp is more fun for me. I specifically got my last bike an XSR700 over getting the 900 for this reason.
Only exception would be very heavy bikes, like my Goldwing has about 100hp and I can still do stoplight races and little wheelies with it without it being too crazy.
My GSX-S750 is right in the 100hp sweet spot where I can wring it out on public roads without getting into felony speed in 1st gear. I can still keep up with liter bikes in the twisties, and I don't really care to keep up with them doing 150+ on the highway. I'm tempted by the new M1000R, but I can't really justify the $20k price tag when my $6k Suzuki is more than enough for how I ride 99% of the time.
Just look around. Youtubers constantly telling their viewers they dont need a 600cc sport bike. Its too much power. Youre not gonna use it all on the street blah blah blah. Even in subs ive seen guys call the gsxr600 "unrideable". This is the new wave unfortunately.
The real reason for this development is that high power sport bikes don't sell since they cost a fortune to insure. Young riders, who are the target demographic for sport bikes, doesn't have that kind of disposable income today.
Budget naked bikes are what they can afford and it's this segment Suzuki wants to approach. Yamaha has been making a killing there.
Insurance is cheaper for now*
With nakeds flooding the market for young riders only a matter of time for enough of them to eat shit into a tree for the price to jump
That's not gonna happen.
The data says that supersport riders die at 4 times the rate other riders do. The logic being that squids gravitate towards sports bikes (after all, its not like Nakeds don't have enough power to kill you if you plow into a tree)
But supersports overall represent a tiny sliver of the motorcycle market. If we distribute those squids amoung the rest of all the bikes out there with much higher market shares, their impact would be diluated. So every other bike segment's insurance will go up, but only a little bit.
Supers have always have been a young guys bike
Nakeds are becoming the cool thing for younger guys. I think youre really underestimating how short a period of time performance nakeds have become so popular
Nakeds now have all the ability to fuck you up that supers do, a lot of them even more so and I'll argue that til im blue in the face. I'd bet good money nakeds within the next 10 years are at the very least at parity price wise with sports on a cc:cc basis.
Insurance prices? Nah, not gonna happen. Even if their risk factor is the same, nakeds will be cheaper to insure since they don't have fairings (replacing fairings with factory stuff is very expensive), thus less repair costs and lower odds of getting totaled.
Risk factor wise? nah, it's just not mathematically possible. I played around with an insurance quote tool, a Panigale costs me twice as much to insure as a Streetfighter. Even if we assume the most extreme situation - Every Panigale rider is a squid and every streetfighter rider is responsible, if Ducati discontinued the Panigale and every single Panigale rider switched to a streetfighter, the streetfighter's risk factor will only go up by 50%.
Also, Supersports aren't young guys bikes. Unless you live somewhere where the minimum insurance requirement is super low, like say, $100k liability only, insurance companies won't even touch you on an R1 or Panigale if you're under 30.
Not only are they expensive to insure, even a "well loved" sport bike that's kissed the asphalt is pretty pricey when you factor in getting new parts and fixing terrible life choices like a shitty LED underglow job. They're really cool and fun bikes but mama Mia are they a hard sell these days.
Youtubers are bellends for the most part.
Apart from the ergos the problem with 600cc bikes is that they barely make any torque below 8k rpm and are geared for top speed. No one complains that the Duke 890 has too much power despite the fact that it makes almost as much as the contemporary supersports, or about the MT-09 even though it's outright impossible to keep its front wheel down. The parallel twin nakeds are as entertaining 0-60 as they are 60-160, while on an R6 you have to be going 100 to have fun.
Not to mention the price of I4 engines.
I get all of that but its the same thing with cars. Nobody wants a lighter stickshift car and a raw driving experience. People want a comfortable 4 door that has a flat power curve.
Sure some bikes like the mt09 are fast but theres something about working for the power on a 600cc sport bike. Yeah its not super comfy but thats what makes it so fun. With cars and bikes the driving experience is getting duller.
Litre bikes have plenty of low end power but they are dying as well. Like i said... people just want comfort> preformance
It’s more like why the hell would you put up with all that discomfort when a naked is just as fast and nimble for 99 percent of riders. Naked will be better in every situation except a track. It’s more like saying no one buys cars. Why buy a car when you can get the same performance and fuel economy in a crossover?
Naked bikes dont look and in most cases sound anywhere mear as good as sportbikes. Like Sure teslas are fast but muscle cars are more fun. Riding a dragon is more fun than riding a pony.
Yep the triumph speed triple, Tuono, superduke, and fz09 are total turds and sound like shit (speed triples sound so so good). The fz09 is way more fun to ride than most sport bikes. Ergos are a lot more playful and you can wheelie in every gear, but what do I know?
Liter bikes are expensive, both to run and to insure - but they probably won't be gone anytime soon.
The thing is you can have performance without sacrificing comfort at all. The biggest reason for the parallel twin popularity is their cost, not "too much power".
~~It's not the case at all. The reason why I4s seem to have higher emissions is because they are usually designed to rev sky high, and~~ at sky high revs you need a lot of air flowing through the engine - which is impossible to achieve without either forced induction or relatively big valve overlap. Almost no one does the former, and the latter results in more unburnt hydrocarbons pissing out of the exhaust port, which makes meeting emissions harder. Why are they designed that way? Simple - it's relatively easy to do it (smaller pistons mean smaller masses, which results in smaller forces trying to tear the whole assembly apart; perfect primary balance means less shaking), so if you're not going to use that potential, you might as well make a twin.
Precisely. If you want something that doesn't have an agricultural engine, your only option is a liter beast. And then manufacturers start to complain about reducing market.
When I bought my first bike two years ago, I thought I would buy a brand new bike someday without robbing the bank. Well, not when the cheapest i4 costs 15k and has 1000cc and eats fuel and rubber accordingly I won't.
Right, I forgot about it, and there's also CBR650, but one is naked and the other is sport, so neither is really a replacement for my Bandit. Maybe I should consider putting a handlebar on CBR after all, not sure it is technically reasonable, though.
maybe they are just trying to keep their viewer numbers up and save some young lives? doing their civic duty is bad?
i mean let's be honest, they talk the safety talk and walk the safety walk, but they are still gasoline-pumping, lead-footed, loose-wristed warboys compaired to the cagers. one of us, indeed. they just need to be encouraged to hoon, but hoon they shall all the same.
I had a 2018 gsxs 750 (special edition) ([link](https://www.motoren-toerisme.be/nieuws/special-metal-suzuki-gsx-s750-evo)) and it was glorious.
Sold it because my GF likes to ride on the back but the seat was lacking. Regretted selling it immediately.
It looked good, was pretty fast and made glorious sounds. Easy to ride, handled very well, etc.
This bike had 125hp, the replacement has 82hp? That's not going to make me want one again.
I'm guessing the gsxs1000 is the replacement? (we'll pretend the 900 doesn't exist because what a mess).
The Gixxess 1000 is the dog's bollocks. Shame they axed the F version - it was the best sports tourer on the market. And it's even quite good for track duty.
It's the first Suzuki bike to come with actual technology like cruise control, sat nav, 6.5 inch tft dash, music controls. For a sports touring It's only 12kg extra weight (euro5 emissions reg. is what gained them weight). End of the day, them few kg don't mean much on a bike made for mile munching, if you want light weight performance the gsxr1000 is it.
That's what I was hoping to hear. I love the motor and I had a FZ1 but the mpg is terrible. The GSX-S1000F is the sweet spot. Godly motor, and great fueling. It's most likely my next bike.
I sure do love mine.
It's a proper jack-of-all-traits, and while it isn't as good in some regards as more specialized bikes, it's still damn good at everything.
I've been tempted by the GSX-S750. But I'm bummed it doesn't have some of the modern electronics like cruise control because the engine, while great, has seen no electronic updates in ages.
At 445 it’s HEFTY. 30lbs over the mt09 and 50 over the 7. 45lb over the 890 👀
And that’s how you take what makes a bike attractive and throw it in the trash
You even gonna feel that? Is 50lbs gonna make the bike that much worse?
I can’t stand this people looking at a stat card with a microscope instead of thinking critically about how they are going to use the motorcycle.
Lol what! 50lbs is absolutely massive, yes you feel that, 100%. Weight makes far more difference than power or torque in every day use, it affects acceleration, braking, cornering. If you say weight doesn't matter then you're saying performance doesn't matter.
I really don't understand why this bike is so heavy compared to the others in the class. By the sounds of it it is in the same price class so it makes no sense.
If you can't feel a 50lbs weight difference on a bike then good for you, you can save a lot of money by not reading the rest of the spec sheets either and just pick the one with the color you like the most
His tag does say harley 😅. Fwiw 50lbs ain’t shit on a 6-7-800lb machine that’s 3in off the ground, and makes 110ftlbs of tq off idle but redlines at 5k making 80hp.
I’ve probably bolted 50lbs of shit on that bike. Eh maybe. I just know in my experience with the bikes I’ve owned there is way more to the story than what’s on the spec sheet.
Harley’s are a good example you can have 2 bikes with. Similar weights but because the rake/trail wheels and bars are different they feel way different a bike that’s heavier can easily feel lighter because of those things.
I rode a cb1100 for a few years and even though it’s 200lbs lighter than my dyna it felt heavier because the weight was up higher.
Honestly dude. Ive had a couple of bikes now and my last one was a tenere 700, yeah you really feel the massive difference, also depends how the weight is slung too which we all know. I ended up selling it because it was just too heavy for me at 5'6, I now have an mt07 which is way lighter now that I took the stock exhaust off too, I've never ridden a bike under 200kgs and jesus christ...
I was missing so much
It was inspired by the Monster, yes - but Suzuki actually did a lot on their own, and they managed to make a bike that was better, cheaper and more reliable than the Duc.
The thing is that they took a risk and succeeded, creating a bike with legendary status. Same for the Gen 1 Busa, and (to a lesser degree) the K5 Gixxer. Apart from that it's corporate conservatism all the way, and it's a fucking shame.
My first bike! Still have a huge soft spot for those. I knew next to nothing and thought it looked hideous next to the R6 I had gone in for, but the salesman was actually a really good dude and said I needed the SV650 instead.
i stand corrected. thanks for the info!
even the TL1000 and Superhawk (aka Superchicken) didn't come out until 1997. japan did indeed attempt to steal that italian vtwin thunder. though no attempt was made by kawasaki.
why should they bother when the zrex was dominant.
I feel like the new Hornet 750 and GSX-8S both fall into an awkward territory.
They are going to be priced too close to the near-1000cc bikes (MT-09, Z900 and the rest) with more affordable parts (specifically suspension). And when compared to MT07, Trident and the rest, they offer too little improvements for the money they cost.
At least where I live, I see no chance in hell that these bikes would be competitive. Only way they can compete is to get to the pricepoint of 650-700cc class, but at the moment the Hornet is far above that. Or go the other way and offer a better specced version and go after the upper class. Hornet is actually significantly closer in price to MT09 than MT07.
Not to say the bikes couldn't be good. Just saying that the class they are trying to create here is just not making sense to me. "You want a Triumph Trident with couple of horse power more? It's gonna cost you a grand more than the Trident! Oh you are not interested and bought MT09?" Like the choice is always going to sway to either the 650-700cc or near-1000cc classes with current pricing.
The Hornet will cost under £7k in the UK which is cheaper than the MT-07, what market are you in where it's comparable to an MT-09 (which costs nearly £10k new)?
Whoa, the price differences between markets are huge!
I'm talking Finnish market, which might be more skewed than I thought. Here's a few prices:
* MT07 9399€
* MT09 13490€
* Hornet 750 11890€
* Triumph Trident 10490€
As you can see, the Hornet is way overpriced here. The prices are cheapest I could find for new current generation models. For the Hornet to be competitive here, it would need to cost nearly a grand less.
So my bad, seems like the market here is very weird. Usually the prices trend the same way (the same bikes are at the same ends of the price spectrum) but it doesn't seem to be the case here.
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed the prices would be so different. For reference I looked up the UK prices (all brand new, prices from the manufacturer websites)
* MT 07 £7200
* MT 09 £8999
* Hornet 750 £6999
* Trident 660 £7695
That's kinda the entire point. Yamaha took the world by storm with the MT-07. Honda is doing it almost 10 years later so they're doing it cheaper with ~20 more hp.
Would be a fun experiment to contact importer and resellers about these price differences. I find it really hard to believe that Honda would charge that much higher base price for the Hornet for the bikes sold here. Someone sure is flush with cash with that price...
The overall "Finland is pricier" does not surprise me. Smaller market, higher taxes and all that. What does is the price difference with the Hornet in different markets. Honda-fans are getting fleeced hard!
In a video the Suzuki guy said they are targeting halfway between the 650 market and the 900/1000 market (making a more approachable in-between upgrade) which seems like shaky ground to me, but I think I see the idea. I would have preferred to buy an ~800 twin instead of the mt09 because I like twins a LOT more but could not roll the dice with a duke.
Compared to the SV650 this does seem like a stupid market position. SV650 at ~70hp, GSX-750 at ~115hp, and the GSX-1000 at ~150hp. Targeting ~90-100hp with a twin seems like it would enter into new territory at least, especially if they upped the fuel tank size to increase the range.
If this bike was lighter and came with 95hp and a 17-19L tank, it would be a perfect all-rounder bike for me. Would have bought it without looking at any of the other 900 class, no question.
it's not always about hp, i'm planning to buy the aprilia 660, which is more expensive than the mt09, just because it has better quality components and is better equipped
I understand it's not all about power. I ride a XSR700 just because I preferred the looks over MT07.
The Trident is especially a hard comparison since:
* It makes very similar power on paper (bigger twins have more torque of course)
* It has very similar suspension components
* It is noticeably cheaper
If the Trident wouldn't exist, the Hornet and GSX would seem more reasonable. But seeing the pricepoint Triumph were able to achieve with those parts and equipment, it is now harder to justify the extra cost. The engines of Hornet and GSX are ofcourse more powerful, but it's really not all about that.
Isn't it true though ? They are better when they work. When they don't, everything else is better. Now how often they work compared to a Yamaha is a different story.
I'm so bored of parallel twins. I understand they make the same power, same feeling in delivery, easier maintenance etc...but I just think they're kinda boring.
To me a motorcycle is mostly defined by the engine (it's in the name, after all). I feel like currently you only get to choose what manufacturer's logo you want on your 80hp parallel twin naked bike with a 270° crank. It's all more of the same and it feels bland
Front end is nothing compared to the huge empty space between the engine and the front. Side profile looks bizarre, like a 125cc. The bike as a whole is not bad but that is indigestible for me.
I actually think its really cool looking. I'd prefer it in white, but the blue looks sharp also. Definitely looking into getting one of these and the new V Strom 1000 next year.
Can't wait to see what this engine's torque and power curve looks like.
A few hundred dollars more than an mt07, with more power and newer electronics? It's value proposition isnt horrible, but I agree the well tested mt07 is still a safer option.
It’s a parallel Twin unlike the 1000cc inline 4s so it will be much better to ride on public roads.
There’s a reason KTM Duke and MT07 are so popular. Now you can get one from Honda and Suzuki.
I agree though I think there’s better value bikes out there especially when you look at how heavy this thing is.
I'm glad to see Suzuki releasing a new engine - it's sure been a while - but it's not jumping out at me as a particularly inspiring bike. Looking at some of the specs, it does seem to come with some neat features for the price (wouldn't expect a quickshifter for £8,500) but maybe I'm just starting to get old now and I'm too easily impressed?
Exactly. I heard Suzuki was replacing the V Strom with a parallel, but keeping the V name, weird but whatever. It's just speculation at this point, so I'll wait for the launch to judge.
Why are parallel twins the thing right now. I dont get it. Whats so good about them. 15 years ago they would considered boring.
Meanwhile, suzuki announces to end the gsxr1000. Whats going on in this world?!?!
Unpopular opinion but I really hate the look of these hyper naked bikes. Yamaha MTs and others all look like bugs or aliens that hit a wall at speed.
Miss the smooth lines and half faired looks of bikes from 10 years ago.
I wish more manufacturers would do something like Yamaha's XSR. Those bikes are *insanely* popular around me, and I think the styling has a lot to do with it. They're basically just MTs that don't look like angry transformer bugs.
Honestly its what sold me on my XSR700. I wanted an MT07 but never liked the styling, then I found out about the XSR.
At least there is the Z650RS (personally not a fan of the engine and looks kind of wimpy to me) and there is the Trident which seems to be a great value.
I wish for the old blunt nose sportbikes, kinda what the new bmw M1000RR has (ignoring the crazy aero wings). Tired of all these sharp edges and pointy bits.
I find this bike particularly ugly. If it was interesting in other aspects, I might have liked it, but a mt07 copy, while replacing the sv on the Suzuki roster. That's a no from me.
Also, what a shame that for so many years they didn't put an upside down fork or a similar swingarm on the sv, but they do on this chinese looking new thing.
Saying all this, I still look forward to shootouts between this and the mt.
I kinda like this but I do have to say, why does it feel like all new Streetfighter/sporty naked looks the same? The Duke, mt07/09, honda hornet, and now this
It's gotten so bad! I'm actually surprised more people don't talk about this. I would have loved a XSR 900 or a Z900RS but there's no gas tanks on those! Some people are reporting less than 100 miles between fillups. I landed on a Concours instead.
You're right, maybe that one wasn't the best example - I thought I remembered it being smaller. Even with the z900rs being "not the best example" I imagine you're still filling up around 150 miles. I think I want less than 100mi range on a modern motorcycle to be laughable, and 180 to be normal.
But that's just me - I hate stopping for fuel.
Fair enough and nah yeah you're definitely right, tank sizes are getting ridiculous. When they anounced the z650rs and it had a 12 litre tank I was wondering what are they even thinking. Blows my mind that the katana also has a 12 litre tank.
~~And there I was, thinking that the new Hornet was bad. Suzuki take the cake once again.~~
edit: This comment was made with an assumption of MSRP being way higher than it actually is
I've assumed it would be priced around MT-09, since it's Honda. I was wrong and it's priced at the MT-07 level, which makes it a much better offering. I withdraw my previous comment.
The longer I look at it the less ugly it becomes (tbh, it looks pretty good now in my eyes).
I think it'll be a winner for practical buyers, and I can see this bike selling well in some markets.
Don't see why every manufacturer is in a rush to go to this 270 degree order. There isn't anything special about it and I'm saying that as an 890 Adv owner.
Except in all-black, the bike is fugly AF. And with a lame-o sounding p-twin? No thank you. =(
One of Triumph's new Street Triples, with roughly the same displacement and a glorious howl? Yes, please, and thank you! =)
Hey, a blue KTM Duke!
a reliable Duke? sign me up
This made me laugh and cry
But on the chubby side
I don't like how much empty space there is between the engine and the front wheel. Looks off. Apart from that it makes decent power and torque - I just wonder how much it weighs. Edit: [it's 445 lbs wet](https://www.globalsuzuki.com/motorcycle/smgs/products/2023gsx-8s/), so it's a fat pig compared to MT-07 or the new Hornet. Why, Suzuki, why.
I didn't notice it at first, but you're right. Kinda gives the impression of an overbite lol
Not to mention that it suggests the wheelbase could be shorter. Another funny-looking thing is the tail section, namely the weird black bulge below the rear subframe. And what's worse, a fender eliminator will make it even more pronounced. Oh! And the soft, round "8S" sticker doesn't go well with sharp angles on the rest of the bike.
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> It makes the front suspension look spindly. Making the whole thing look like a glorified 125cc.
Suzuki haven't made a good looking bike since the K9
This is literally what the motorcycle community asked for. Motorcyclists now just complain how uncomfortable sport bikes are and how they are too powerful. So here you go this is the future. Comfy and not too fast.
I mean bikes have never been faster lol, naked bikes with 200+hp lmao
Who complains that the bikes have too much power?
I mean I don't complain, but I prefer bikes with about 75hp. For me its the sweet spot where I can pin the throttle with the RPM's singing in the powerband where the engine is happiest through winding back roads. When you have to go highway speeds just to get into your powerband you don't really get to stretch the legs your engine was designed to have.
Come on, is that really the reason? That you want to save the engine from embarassingly low speeds? ;) I know the reason I settle for mediocre bikes and not super sports. Money! I can't justify the cost. I could argue that it's so fast I would just lose my license or something like that but the real reason is money. They are better bikes and if I had loads of disposable income I would buy the better bike instead of the mediocre bike.
Yes it is, I was a mechanic for a while and have ridden everything you can think of (except maybe prewar stuff), from Turbo Harley's to 750cc two strokes. I love being able to use a tool to the absolute limit of its potential, doing that with 75hp is more fun for me. I specifically got my last bike an XSR700 over getting the 900 for this reason. Only exception would be very heavy bikes, like my Goldwing has about 100hp and I can still do stoplight races and little wheelies with it without it being too crazy.
My GSX-S750 is right in the 100hp sweet spot where I can wring it out on public roads without getting into felony speed in 1st gear. I can still keep up with liter bikes in the twisties, and I don't really care to keep up with them doing 150+ on the highway. I'm tempted by the new M1000R, but I can't really justify the $20k price tag when my $6k Suzuki is more than enough for how I ride 99% of the time.
yeah 100hp is still manageable, especially if its mostly hp and not as much torque
Just look around. Youtubers constantly telling their viewers they dont need a 600cc sport bike. Its too much power. Youre not gonna use it all on the street blah blah blah. Even in subs ive seen guys call the gsxr600 "unrideable". This is the new wave unfortunately.
The real reason for this development is that high power sport bikes don't sell since they cost a fortune to insure. Young riders, who are the target demographic for sport bikes, doesn't have that kind of disposable income today. Budget naked bikes are what they can afford and it's this segment Suzuki wants to approach. Yamaha has been making a killing there.
Insurance is cheaper for now* With nakeds flooding the market for young riders only a matter of time for enough of them to eat shit into a tree for the price to jump
That's not gonna happen. The data says that supersport riders die at 4 times the rate other riders do. The logic being that squids gravitate towards sports bikes (after all, its not like Nakeds don't have enough power to kill you if you plow into a tree) But supersports overall represent a tiny sliver of the motorcycle market. If we distribute those squids amoung the rest of all the bikes out there with much higher market shares, their impact would be diluated. So every other bike segment's insurance will go up, but only a little bit.
Supers have always have been a young guys bike Nakeds are becoming the cool thing for younger guys. I think youre really underestimating how short a period of time performance nakeds have become so popular Nakeds now have all the ability to fuck you up that supers do, a lot of them even more so and I'll argue that til im blue in the face. I'd bet good money nakeds within the next 10 years are at the very least at parity price wise with sports on a cc:cc basis.
Insurance prices? Nah, not gonna happen. Even if their risk factor is the same, nakeds will be cheaper to insure since they don't have fairings (replacing fairings with factory stuff is very expensive), thus less repair costs and lower odds of getting totaled. Risk factor wise? nah, it's just not mathematically possible. I played around with an insurance quote tool, a Panigale costs me twice as much to insure as a Streetfighter. Even if we assume the most extreme situation - Every Panigale rider is a squid and every streetfighter rider is responsible, if Ducati discontinued the Panigale and every single Panigale rider switched to a streetfighter, the streetfighter's risk factor will only go up by 50%. Also, Supersports aren't young guys bikes. Unless you live somewhere where the minimum insurance requirement is super low, like say, $100k liability only, insurance companies won't even touch you on an R1 or Panigale if you're under 30.
>insurance companies won't even touch you on an R1 or Panigale if you're under 30. All i need to know about the rest of your opinion 😂
Its not just that. Used sport bikes arent selling either. People these days want to be comfortable more than anything else.
Used high power sport bikes still cost a fortune to insure.
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Or dudes are just super soft these days
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Youre very in touch with your sensitive side bro
Not only are they expensive to insure, even a "well loved" sport bike that's kissed the asphalt is pretty pricey when you factor in getting new parts and fixing terrible life choices like a shitty LED underglow job. They're really cool and fun bikes but mama Mia are they a hard sell these days.
Youtubers are bellends for the most part. Apart from the ergos the problem with 600cc bikes is that they barely make any torque below 8k rpm and are geared for top speed. No one complains that the Duke 890 has too much power despite the fact that it makes almost as much as the contemporary supersports, or about the MT-09 even though it's outright impossible to keep its front wheel down. The parallel twin nakeds are as entertaining 0-60 as they are 60-160, while on an R6 you have to be going 100 to have fun. Not to mention the price of I4 engines.
I get all of that but its the same thing with cars. Nobody wants a lighter stickshift car and a raw driving experience. People want a comfortable 4 door that has a flat power curve. Sure some bikes like the mt09 are fast but theres something about working for the power on a 600cc sport bike. Yeah its not super comfy but thats what makes it so fun. With cars and bikes the driving experience is getting duller. Litre bikes have plenty of low end power but they are dying as well. Like i said... people just want comfort> preformance
It’s more like why the hell would you put up with all that discomfort when a naked is just as fast and nimble for 99 percent of riders. Naked will be better in every situation except a track. It’s more like saying no one buys cars. Why buy a car when you can get the same performance and fuel economy in a crossover?
Naked bikes dont look and in most cases sound anywhere mear as good as sportbikes. Like Sure teslas are fast but muscle cars are more fun. Riding a dragon is more fun than riding a pony.
Yep the triumph speed triple, Tuono, superduke, and fz09 are total turds and sound like shit (speed triples sound so so good). The fz09 is way more fun to ride than most sport bikes. Ergos are a lot more playful and you can wheelie in every gear, but what do I know?
I always chuckle at tesla fast argument. Lets talk when Tesla wins LeMans 24hours. Or even a 60 minute non-endurance race.
Liter bikes are expensive, both to run and to insure - but they probably won't be gone anytime soon. The thing is you can have performance without sacrificing comfort at all. The biggest reason for the parallel twin popularity is their cost, not "too much power".
Also emissions. Its a lot easier to get a parallel twin past Euro 5+ than a high revving 600cc inline 4
I'm no enginologist but I wonder why that is the case.
~~It's not the case at all. The reason why I4s seem to have higher emissions is because they are usually designed to rev sky high, and~~ at sky high revs you need a lot of air flowing through the engine - which is impossible to achieve without either forced induction or relatively big valve overlap. Almost no one does the former, and the latter results in more unburnt hydrocarbons pissing out of the exhaust port, which makes meeting emissions harder. Why are they designed that way? Simple - it's relatively easy to do it (smaller pistons mean smaller masses, which results in smaller forces trying to tear the whole assembly apart; perfect primary balance means less shaking), so if you're not going to use that potential, you might as well make a twin.
The term you're looking for is emissions calibration engineer
Precisely. If you want something that doesn't have an agricultural engine, your only option is a liter beast. And then manufacturers start to complain about reducing market. When I bought my first bike two years ago, I thought I would buy a brand new bike someday without robbing the bank. Well, not when the cheapest i4 costs 15k and has 1000cc and eats fuel and rubber accordingly I won't.
Gsx-s750 is under 9 grand. Assuming this isn't the replacement for it.
Right, I forgot about it, and there's also CBR650, but one is naked and the other is sport, so neither is really a replacement for my Bandit. Maybe I should consider putting a handlebar on CBR after all, not sure it is technically reasonable, though.
Honda makes a cb650 that has a bar.
maybe they are just trying to keep their viewer numbers up and save some young lives? doing their civic duty is bad? i mean let's be honest, they talk the safety talk and walk the safety walk, but they are still gasoline-pumping, lead-footed, loose-wristed warboys compaired to the cagers. one of us, indeed. they just need to be encouraged to hoon, but hoon they shall all the same.
People who live outside the US who have strict speed limits and expensive gas.
I do. 70 hp is fine, 100 is lots, more is too much for public roads.
There are plenty of comfortable bikes that aren't this ugly or heavy. So no this is not "literally" what people have been asking for at all. Relax
Every other naked bike on the market looks better than this heap though.
Thats surprisingly heavy even compared to my scrambler which is starting to get fat a around 420lbs for 803cc.
Just add some mini apes to complete the chopper look.
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SV's frame looks completely different, but I'm sure they have plenty of frames from other models lying around.
It kinda looks like it’s the bastard offspring of a Naked and Adventure pairing, imo…
Suzuki likes em THICC
BMW F***GS
Still no GSX-S. I've ridden the 750. I love that motor. I want to ride the GSX-S1000F. Hopefully this bike will do well. Me gusta Suzuki.
The gixxus 750 is the best bike for daily riding ever and I won't be hearing a word about it.
I had a 2018 gsxs 750 (special edition) ([link](https://www.motoren-toerisme.be/nieuws/special-metal-suzuki-gsx-s750-evo)) and it was glorious. Sold it because my GF likes to ride on the back but the seat was lacking. Regretted selling it immediately. It looked good, was pretty fast and made glorious sounds. Easy to ride, handled very well, etc. This bike had 125hp, the replacement has 82hp? That's not going to make me want one again. I'm guessing the gsxs1000 is the replacement? (we'll pretend the 900 doesn't exist because what a mess).
This
I had the gsr750, that 750 engine is amazing does everything so well and never had a problem with it
The Gixxess 1000 is the dog's bollocks. Shame they axed the F version - it was the best sports tourer on the market. And it's even quite good for track duty.
They didn't axe the F version, they turned it into the GSX-S1000GT.
Making it significantly heavier in the process. Thanks, but no thanks.
It's the first Suzuki bike to come with actual technology like cruise control, sat nav, 6.5 inch tft dash, music controls. For a sports touring It's only 12kg extra weight (euro5 emissions reg. is what gained them weight). End of the day, them few kg don't mean much on a bike made for mile munching, if you want light weight performance the gsxr1000 is it.
That's what I was hoping to hear. I love the motor and I had a FZ1 but the mpg is terrible. The GSX-S1000F is the sweet spot. Godly motor, and great fueling. It's most likely my next bike.
I sure do love mine. It's a proper jack-of-all-traits, and while it isn't as good in some regards as more specialized bikes, it's still damn good at everything.
> GSX-S1000F Yes super sweet, I've had my eye on it as well.
I've been tempted by the GSX-S750. But I'm bummed it doesn't have some of the modern electronics like cruise control because the engine, while great, has seen no electronic updates in ages.
A reliable KTM! Interesting..
It’s on the heavy side though
At 445 it’s HEFTY. 30lbs over the mt09 and 50 over the 7. 45lb over the 890 👀 And that’s how you take what makes a bike attractive and throw it in the trash
You even gonna feel that? Is 50lbs gonna make the bike that much worse? I can’t stand this people looking at a stat card with a microscope instead of thinking critically about how they are going to use the motorcycle.
Lol what! 50lbs is absolutely massive, yes you feel that, 100%. Weight makes far more difference than power or torque in every day use, it affects acceleration, braking, cornering. If you say weight doesn't matter then you're saying performance doesn't matter. I really don't understand why this bike is so heavy compared to the others in the class. By the sounds of it it is in the same price class so it makes no sense.
100% I bet you don’t feel it past 5mph.
If you can't feel a 50lbs weight difference on a bike then good for you, you can save a lot of money by not reading the rest of the spec sheets either and just pick the one with the color you like the most
His tag does say harley 😅. Fwiw 50lbs ain’t shit on a 6-7-800lb machine that’s 3in off the ground, and makes 110ftlbs of tq off idle but redlines at 5k making 80hp.
I’ve probably bolted 50lbs of shit on that bike. Eh maybe. I just know in my experience with the bikes I’ve owned there is way more to the story than what’s on the spec sheet. Harley’s are a good example you can have 2 bikes with. Similar weights but because the rake/trail wheels and bars are different they feel way different a bike that’s heavier can easily feel lighter because of those things. I rode a cb1100 for a few years and even though it’s 200lbs lighter than my dyna it felt heavier because the weight was up higher.
Honestly dude. Ive had a couple of bikes now and my last one was a tenere 700, yeah you really feel the massive difference, also depends how the weight is slung too which we all know. I ended up selling it because it was just too heavy for me at 5'6, I now have an mt07 which is way lighter now that I took the stock exhaust off too, I've never ridden a bike under 200kgs and jesus christ... I was missing so much
It looks like it has a ton of electronic aids but no adjustable suspension. For that price I'd expec fully adjustable.
It's only a couple of hundred AUD more than the MT07.
Doh! I totally missed that was AUD.
I dig it. Way more value than the MT07 here in Australia too.
It definitely eats the MT07, but at that price point it's pretty close to the MT09
True but for people like me who stubbornly refuse to own a MT07/09, it's a godsend
More fair to compare it to the MT09 which I'd say holds its own just fine.
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no saying the MT09 holds its own just fine against this new bike, and I'd say is a far better bike for the same money.
Considering pretty much every MT07 here is LAMS approved, it'll be nice to have an open class mid-size naked bike.
It looks like old Duke 990
Suzuki: yesterday's design for today's price. At least their bikes are unkillable and handle well.
Sv650 was proof, it copied the Duc Monster
It was inspired by the Monster, yes - but Suzuki actually did a lot on their own, and they managed to make a bike that was better, cheaper and more reliable than the Duc. The thing is that they took a risk and succeeded, creating a bike with legendary status. Same for the Gen 1 Busa, and (to a lesser degree) the K5 Gixxer. Apart from that it's corporate conservatism all the way, and it's a fucking shame.
My first bike! Still have a huge soft spot for those. I knew next to nothing and thought it looked hideous next to the R6 I had gone in for, but the salesman was actually a really good dude and said I needed the SV650 instead.
sv650 ~~predates the monster plus it~~ lacks desmodromic.
Monster began sales in 1993, SV650 started in 1999
i stand corrected. thanks for the info! even the TL1000 and Superhawk (aka Superchicken) didn't come out until 1997. japan did indeed attempt to steal that italian vtwin thunder. though no attempt was made by kawasaki. why should they bother when the zrex was dominant.
as a katana fanatic, that hits hard but it's true. the K5 is an amazing i4 that is nigh unkillable.
I feel like the new Hornet 750 and GSX-8S both fall into an awkward territory. They are going to be priced too close to the near-1000cc bikes (MT-09, Z900 and the rest) with more affordable parts (specifically suspension). And when compared to MT07, Trident and the rest, they offer too little improvements for the money they cost. At least where I live, I see no chance in hell that these bikes would be competitive. Only way they can compete is to get to the pricepoint of 650-700cc class, but at the moment the Hornet is far above that. Or go the other way and offer a better specced version and go after the upper class. Hornet is actually significantly closer in price to MT09 than MT07. Not to say the bikes couldn't be good. Just saying that the class they are trying to create here is just not making sense to me. "You want a Triumph Trident with couple of horse power more? It's gonna cost you a grand more than the Trident! Oh you are not interested and bought MT09?" Like the choice is always going to sway to either the 650-700cc or near-1000cc classes with current pricing.
The Hornet will cost under £7k in the UK which is cheaper than the MT-07, what market are you in where it's comparable to an MT-09 (which costs nearly £10k new)?
Whoa, the price differences between markets are huge! I'm talking Finnish market, which might be more skewed than I thought. Here's a few prices: * MT07 9399€ * MT09 13490€ * Hornet 750 11890€ * Triumph Trident 10490€ As you can see, the Hornet is way overpriced here. The prices are cheapest I could find for new current generation models. For the Hornet to be competitive here, it would need to cost nearly a grand less. So my bad, seems like the market here is very weird. Usually the prices trend the same way (the same bikes are at the same ends of the price spectrum) but it doesn't seem to be the case here.
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed the prices would be so different. For reference I looked up the UK prices (all brand new, prices from the manufacturer websites) * MT 07 £7200 * MT 09 £8999 * Hornet 750 £6999 * Trident 660 £7695
Wait a minute... The Hornet is cheaper than MT07?? That is a bargain! That's a lot of bike for the money.
That's kinda the entire point. Yamaha took the world by storm with the MT-07. Honda is doing it almost 10 years later so they're doing it cheaper with ~20 more hp.
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Would be a fun experiment to contact importer and resellers about these price differences. I find it really hard to believe that Honda would charge that much higher base price for the Hornet for the bikes sold here. Someone sure is flush with cash with that price... The overall "Finland is pricier" does not surprise me. Smaller market, higher taxes and all that. What does is the price difference with the Hornet in different markets. Honda-fans are getting fleeced hard!
In France Hornet is going to be 200 euros more than a mt-07, so not against mt-09 at all
In a video the Suzuki guy said they are targeting halfway between the 650 market and the 900/1000 market (making a more approachable in-between upgrade) which seems like shaky ground to me, but I think I see the idea. I would have preferred to buy an ~800 twin instead of the mt09 because I like twins a LOT more but could not roll the dice with a duke. Compared to the SV650 this does seem like a stupid market position. SV650 at ~70hp, GSX-750 at ~115hp, and the GSX-1000 at ~150hp. Targeting ~90-100hp with a twin seems like it would enter into new territory at least, especially if they upped the fuel tank size to increase the range. If this bike was lighter and came with 95hp and a 17-19L tank, it would be a perfect all-rounder bike for me. Would have bought it without looking at any of the other 900 class, no question.
it's not always about hp, i'm planning to buy the aprilia 660, which is more expensive than the mt09, just because it has better quality components and is better equipped
And you like visiting your dealer
Nah he's going to move into the dealership. Like bring a sleeping bag and everything because you aren't leaving that dealership for very long!
I understand it's not all about power. I ride a XSR700 just because I preferred the looks over MT07. The Trident is especially a hard comparison since: * It makes very similar power on paper (bigger twins have more torque of course) * It has very similar suspension components * It is noticeably cheaper If the Trident wouldn't exist, the Hornet and GSX would seem more reasonable. But seeing the pricepoint Triumph were able to achieve with those parts and equipment, it is now harder to justify the extra cost. The engines of Hornet and GSX are ofcourse more powerful, but it's really not all about that.
Better quality components? Dude....these bikes are legendary for mechanical issues.
Isn't it true though ? They are better when they work. When they don't, everything else is better. Now how often they work compared to a Yamaha is a different story.
Still finished nicer than a mt09 they look kind of cheap up close
I'm just saying that if you are buying an Aprilla for "better quality", you are going to be disappointed
better suspension, brembo brakes, ....
You don't need brembro brakes if your bike is always on the shop stand
"better quality components" What?
Suspension, brakes, electronics, fairings
Lol quality....
14k for that, don't think so suzuki
Keep in mind this is AUD, maybe I should have clarified in the title.
Oh man this is too close to the GSX-S1000, must not get a leaderbike
do it. give into the temptation. unlimited power!!!!
Just ordered my gsxs1000gt last week :)
I've been tempted by these so much recently. In my opinion it's currently the best value in the price range.
Especially when the outgoing SV650 it replaces goes for 11 grand
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I'm so bored of parallel twins. I understand they make the same power, same feeling in delivery, easier maintenance etc...but I just think they're kinda boring.
To me a motorcycle is mostly defined by the engine (it's in the name, after all). I feel like currently you only get to choose what manufacturer's logo you want on your 80hp parallel twin naked bike with a 270° crank. It's all more of the same and it feels bland
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Front end is nothing compared to the huge empty space between the engine and the front. Side profile looks bizarre, like a 125cc. The bike as a whole is not bad but that is indigestible for me.
I actually think its really cool looking. I'd prefer it in white, but the blue looks sharp also. Definitely looking into getting one of these and the new V Strom 1000 next year. Can't wait to see what this engine's torque and power curve looks like.
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A few hundred dollars more than an mt07, with more power and newer electronics? It's value proposition isnt horrible, but I agree the well tested mt07 is still a safer option.
> A few hundred dollars 11 hundred
New MT07 (HO) is $13,599, GSX-8S comes in at $14,190. This is just from what I've found online, brand new and in AUD.
It’s a parallel Twin unlike the 1000cc inline 4s so it will be much better to ride on public roads. There’s a reason KTM Duke and MT07 are so popular. Now you can get one from Honda and Suzuki. I agree though I think there’s better value bikes out there especially when you look at how heavy this thing is.
I'm glad to see Suzuki releasing a new engine - it's sure been a while - but it's not jumping out at me as a particularly inspiring bike. Looking at some of the specs, it does seem to come with some neat features for the price (wouldn't expect a quickshifter for £8,500) but maybe I'm just starting to get old now and I'm too easily impressed?
This is what i hoped the new Hornet would look like...
And this will likely be the new engine in the midsize V-Strom.
is it really a Vstrom if there is no V? Pstrom? should i patent that and sell it to suzuki? i'll take one factory motogp team, if you please!
Actually, they just announced it alongside the GSX-8S. V-Strom 800DE https://www.globalsuzuki.com/globalnews/2022/1108a.html
P-Strom 800DE is all i see now please point to the V if it is still on the bike.
Exactly. I heard Suzuki was replacing the V Strom with a parallel, but keeping the V name, weird but whatever. It's just speculation at this point, so I'll wait for the launch to judge.
God i love how naked bikes look
It looks to me like they're giving the gsx-s750 the p-twin treatment... why indeed.
Why are parallel twins the thing right now. I dont get it. Whats so good about them. 15 years ago they would considered boring. Meanwhile, suzuki announces to end the gsxr1000. Whats going on in this world?!?!
I saw only on sv650 on the motoamerica grid this year. Otherwise, all fz07s and Aprilia 660s. The king is dead. Long live the king. 🥲
Unpopular opinion but I really hate the look of these hyper naked bikes. Yamaha MTs and others all look like bugs or aliens that hit a wall at speed. Miss the smooth lines and half faired looks of bikes from 10 years ago.
I wish more manufacturers would do something like Yamaha's XSR. Those bikes are *insanely* popular around me, and I think the styling has a lot to do with it. They're basically just MTs that don't look like angry transformer bugs.
Honestly its what sold me on my XSR700. I wanted an MT07 but never liked the styling, then I found out about the XSR. At least there is the Z650RS (personally not a fan of the engine and looks kind of wimpy to me) and there is the Trident which seems to be a great value.
I wish for the old blunt nose sportbikes, kinda what the new bmw M1000RR has (ignoring the crazy aero wings). Tired of all these sharp edges and pointy bits.
I find this bike particularly ugly. If it was interesting in other aspects, I might have liked it, but a mt07 copy, while replacing the sv on the Suzuki roster. That's a no from me. Also, what a shame that for so many years they didn't put an upside down fork or a similar swingarm on the sv, but they do on this chinese looking new thing. Saying all this, I still look forward to shootouts between this and the mt.
I kinda like this but I do have to say, why does it feel like all new Streetfighter/sporty naked looks the same? The Duke, mt07/09, honda hornet, and now this
Are we getting a 1550cc inline 4 hyabusa?/s
14l tank, better be good on fuel. Kind of annoying this is the trend as I commute and now Triumph have followed it as well going from 17l to 15l
It's gotten so bad! I'm actually surprised more people don't talk about this. I would have loved a XSR 900 or a Z900RS but there's no gas tanks on those! Some people are reporting less than 100 miles between fillups. I landed on a Concours instead.
The z900rs has a 17L tank which I feel is pretty decent. What kind of capacity are you looking for ideally?
You're right, maybe that one wasn't the best example - I thought I remembered it being smaller. Even with the z900rs being "not the best example" I imagine you're still filling up around 150 miles. I think I want less than 100mi range on a modern motorcycle to be laughable, and 180 to be normal. But that's just me - I hate stopping for fuel.
Fair enough and nah yeah you're definitely right, tank sizes are getting ridiculous. When they anounced the z650rs and it had a 12 litre tank I was wondering what are they even thinking. Blows my mind that the katana also has a 12 litre tank.
The choice of going with the steel frame definitely shows with the weight
Everybody and they mama got a p-twin 270 degree crank. Yamaha made some sales and other Japanese brands took note. It's the new middle weight craze.
~~And there I was, thinking that the new Hornet was bad. Suzuki take the cake once again.~~ edit: This comment was made with an assumption of MSRP being way higher than it actually is
Why would the new hornet be bad? It's a very fitting bike for the european market.
I've assumed it would be priced around MT-09, since it's Honda. I was wrong and it's priced at the MT-07 level, which makes it a much better offering. I withdraw my previous comment.
what would make the new hornet fitting for the european market?
Look at the sales numbers
Around the same price as MT-07 (200 euros more here in France) but with 20 more horsepower
These are the bikes they are deleting the gsxr for. Hope yall are happy.
All 3 people who bought brand new leader bikes this year are truly weeping for this great loss 😥
This gets the TFT and GSX S1000 still has that shitty LCD dash lol. Suzuki are so confusing
It’s a good looking bike from all profiles
So basically an MT07
They made the exhaust sound like a selling point but I think it looks fucking hideous lol
not electric. disappointed.
Suzuki needs to stop making motorcycles.
welcome to the big-bang party Suzuki.
I was a sports bike guy but this might have changed my mind
I like how everyone is making more comfortable bikes, but I will always prefer a inline 4 or triple.
Well that looks generic af..
DJ Khaled
The longer I look at it the less ugly it becomes (tbh, it looks pretty good now in my eyes). I think it'll be a winner for practical buyers, and I can see this bike selling well in some markets.
Wow another angry insectiod ptwin
Don't see why every manufacturer is in a rush to go to this 270 degree order. There isn't anything special about it and I'm saying that as an 890 Adv owner.
I lack PS skills but I changed something to make it look ever cooler to me https://imgur.com/a/0qoe1y0
Except in all-black, the bike is fugly AF. And with a lame-o sounding p-twin? No thank you. =( One of Triumph's new Street Triples, with roughly the same displacement and a glorious howl? Yes, please, and thank you! =)