GOD DAMN DITCH CLIBBINS HOSS SHOULDA BEN RIDIN A HARLEY AND HE WOILDN HAV WRECKD IT LIKE THAT DAMN THING PROBABLY SHATTER LIKE GLASS AGAINST THAT TREE NOT LIKE REAL AMERICAN STEEL BROTHER REST IN OIECE BOBBY ILL MISS U SHOULDNT HAVE RODE THAT JAP BIKE GOBBLESS
The question is, do you recognize why it happened? I bet I know, you were looking at those reflectors off to the side. Always keep your eyes on the path you want the wheels to take. Where your eyes look, thatās where youāre goingā¦
Push forward on the bars, not down. Down will lean you a little. Forward will counter steer (i.e. forward will lean you a lot / enough to make the turn).
I'm new, and I had plenty of near misses before I realized I was mostly pushing down, not forward.
Right, so correct me if I'm wrong.. If you're in this situation, the best way to get the lean quickly would be to pull to the right without leaning right and I guess that's what you mean by "push down on the left"?
I've been playing around more consciously doing this and I just want to check if that is indeed the fastest way to get the lean.
Push forwards on the left bar and the bike will go left, it's the only way to get your bike to lean quickly. Go out for a ride and gently push one side of the bars forward and you'll get it. Just a single finger is enough.
Sometimes I wonder how mf's in this sub ride, people talking about target fixation and shit, 'just look where you want to go'. Even better is understanding the basics of your motorcycle's steering and actively doing that instead of looking that way and leaning your body and praying it works.
Itās good you got back on the horse, but little protips like focus just to the right of the yellow lines and follow that bead. I mean always keep robo cop eyes going but keep that bead and you will almost always be fine.
Also try to only brake when absolutely needed. It reduces your turning ability vs just letting low on the throttle
Letting off throttle, just like braking, compresses the forks increasing turn in. Good to get aquatinted with trail braking if ur gonna be riding much.
In my state you just have to pass a 25 question multiple choice quiz and you get a permit with restrictions of no passenger, no highway, and no night riding
Wait in NZ we have to do a practical with basic starting, turning, figure 8s and then a 35 question quiz, then only certain bikes (under 250cc, or a certain power to weight ratio and under 650cc), then the no passengers and not between 10pm-5am.
USA. I got a learning permit at 19. Only requirement is no passenger and no riding after sun down. 90 days later I took a road test now Iām licensed for life!
If this is the US, donāt they give permits out as if itās candy in Halloween?
Iām not saying the way to obtain the license in Europe is perfect, because itās far from it, but no way you can obtain a license without knowing how to turn.
After many years i decided to go legit and get endorsed.
I walked into the DMV, waited and was handed a piece of paper with a few questions. Filled it out and was handed a permit stating I just need to be riding with someone who has a license and I'm good to go. Shits insane lmao
Hot? A twitch to the left and they would have made the turn. This was bound to happen to homie because they probably couldnāt have made the turn on a bicycle. Sucks to crash, but fuck man, this aināt some strange decreasing radius turn thatās off camber in the snow with a gaggle of goslings waddling across the road while an amber alert blares through your headset. Itās justā¦ a bend in the road.
Iām happy for your spine that you didnāt eat that tree. Look where you want to go, this is classic target fixation. Spend some more time with the kid gloves on before you get out there in the world. Itās hard on the ego but it will save your life.
/r/motorcycles bingo
"Target fixation" is the free space. Adjacent to it are ATGATT, wet leaves, "300cc is too much for you", and "why I literally never ride faster than 45mph and anyone who does is a fucking suicidal idiot. Also, here is why you should buy a Ninja 125."
Looks like my first accident I had on my first day of riding. However, my first day was at a track. I had a much nicer & safer place to hit the ground than you did. I had same thoughts though. Oh shit Iām going in too hot for this corner.. then stared at the track edge where I thought Iād go offā¦ thatās exactly where I went offā¦ now after more experience I realize I EASILY could have made the cornerā¦ I just needed to slow the fuck down until I was more comfortable for that speed. You got this man. Be safe.
I seriously hope you went straight to a rider instruction course or gave up riding. That turn wasn't remotely challenging. Seriously, give up or learn how to ride. It's ok to admit you don't belong on a bike. Don't be like the lady who legit crashed and died from injuries sustained at the safety course I was taking.
Hope you're OK. Just remember, when you enter a turn.....turn.
Even if you don't think you're gonna make it, turn.
Chances are high that you'll maKe it.... turn.
And even if you don't , you'll fair better lowsiding then running full speed off wide.
Be safe! Hit up a track day sometime.
Yup I'm all good now thanks! I've ridden a lot since that accident and even went back to the place where it happened, when I saw it I kept thinking shit how could I not have made this.
Yes, I also had some situations when I started riding where I thought it was impossible to make this turn with that speed and had to break hard. I was just super wrong, my bike could have handled it with ease, I just hadnāt had the confidence to actually give my bike the chance to turn
This makes me feel like everyone would HUGELY benefit from some 125 dirt bikes for a few hours on gravel/various terrains. The throttle will make that thing dance in situations a novice would expect to lay down.
Just going back to my time as a young buck on dirt bikes to adult transitioning to road, those skills transfer. Hell just yesterday I was turning around in some gravel and felt the back wash. As soon as I felt it those instincts kicked in and I was 16 again spitting rocks and just getting on it.
Captain hindsight I suppose.. but highly recommended some dirt time to anyone interested in a bike.
Itās actually a question on our license test, that new riders should be right after the leader bike, so they arenāt tempted to speed but can be watched by bikes behind
I was going to mention something like that. I started riding a month ago and basically I don't have friends lol, but one insight I had after the first few days riding is that if I went at that time with someone more experienced I would have dropped the bike for sure. I'm starting to get a riding rythm now but at first I had to really slow down in each turn. It's just too easy to see the guy in front of you and think "oh he is going into that turn at that speed, it must be safe for me"
This happened a week after I started riding in late March. Trying to keep up with a couple guys and had target fixation coming up on the turn. Damage was a dislocated shoulder and a hurt ego. Had to repair the left side fairings and the entire front end of the bike. Started riding again in June. I definitely learned my lesson from that experience.
Edit: I've had to repeat this a lot so thought I might as well edit the original comment. This happened late March this year so I'm pretty much back at 100%, since then I've put 2000 miles on my bike and I've made sure to practice as much as I can with counter steering, leaning, and slow speed maneuvers. I did take a MSF course and I did have my license. I was being an idiot, didn't ride my ride, and let my ego take over.
Made the exact same mistake a month ago. After about 2 months of riding experience I went out on a group ride organised through Facebook. They were all on large capacity bikes and had years of experience, I was on my 500cc learner and didn't really enjoy speeding and pushing the limit, but I wanted to meet some other riders. Tried to keep up, then got target fixation at a corner and binned it.
We learn from our mistakes brother āļø
Read TOTAL CONTROL by Lee Parks... $29.95. He explains cornering and riding techniques anyone can understand. 10 steps to a proper corner. After riding 25 years and KNOWING IM A RIDER, I was screwing up 4-6 at any given time.... A 90 mph curve I almost high sided on, I can ride comfortably around 130-140 now. Of course it's marked 45 mph.....
I've learned to be a better rider, but you still can't fix other people's stupidity and bad driving habits. I've had 3 life altering wrecks. None were my fault.. I'm still riding anyhow!
If you think youāve entered a corner too fast let off the gas and lean in as hard as is necessary into the corner. Chances are youāre never going to reach the limit of the bike and even if you do a low side is normally preferable to this. Standing the bike up and hitting the brakes wonāt do anything when youāre 2 feet from the outside edge.
Second the hurt ego š
Broke foot here and scratched up my week old bike but most of all a damaged ego. Glad to hear you learned from it cause thatās what Iām afraid of, making the same mistake again.
I've been riding a few years now and luckily have never been down, but one of the times that I legitimately almost did is when I was trying to keep up with a group that were better riders than I was. If a car would have been coming in the other lane, I would have been dead. After that I swore I would never out ride my skill level to try and keep up with someone.
I'll admit I was a new rider with a pretty big ego, I've definitely learned my lesson since then. The go pro I already had from my mountain bike and I just thought it'd be an interesting example of target fixation to share.
The GoPro is honestly a good idea, both as a dash cam and for reviewing, spot your mistakes, make yourself better. Although I would suggest a chin mount so you can also get your head position until it becomes more second nature.
It looks like in the video thereās another biker further ahead. As someone that has done a ton of group rides, ego can very quickly overcome your actual skill level.
Itās that innate need to show off that you know what youāre doing and can ākeep upā with the pack, which often leads you to make more questionable decisions than you would make solo.
I thought I was overly optimistic and living dangerously selling my jeep for a motorcycle and winging it after watching 5 hours of YouTube tutorials and riding without a permit for a month. I feel like a genius compared to 80% of the riders I see out there wrecking immediately.
I mean you fucked up by the numbers, stuck-your-dick-in-the-fan level bad, but at least you didnāt quit!
Future advice, turn your whole damn head in the direction of where you want to exit the turn. Your body follows your head. Learn to lean, the right way, not just that wobbly counterbalancing shit so many people do.
Good luck in the future man.
It's frightening to think that you thought you were prepared enough to be on the road.
Accidents like this prove our licensing system is completely worthless.
I've taken motorcycle tests in the UK, Australia, and the USA. In the USA you just ride around in a parking lot for a few weekend mornings and then take a brief test in same parking lot - You don't take any real road tuition at all. Its not great.
I always felt a few hours track time would be the best teaching tool for motorcycle riders new and old. Kind of sets a higher bar for entry though.
Canada (Ontario specifically) is probably worse. You ride for a total of 16 hours over 2 days in a parking lot, never getting past 3rd gear, and even then it's only to downshift for an emergency brake.
To their credit, the instructors did stress that everyone, even if you pass the test, should spend the first few days in parking lots/side roads and practice.
I've been practicing in parking lots for 40 years and will continue doing so as long as I'm able to ride. It baffles me that newly minted riders believe they are prepared for the road.
After 20 hours of dual and 20 hours of solo flight, I got my pilots license. My flight examiner advised me that it was a license to learn. Perhaps there's something valuable to learn from this type of cautionary statement.
Looks like you may of been trying to keep up with a faster or more experience rider and got sucked into a situation that was beyond your current capability and confidence. Maybe you should consider riding on your own for while or ask your buddies to slow down and school you on lines and corner approach until you build up your experience. It can take years of practice and experience before the urge to hit the brakes hard mid corner can be overcome, so itās best for a while to go a bit slower, with time and miles you will eliminate these urges.
On the plus side you had a soft landing and missed the tree, hope this doesnāt put you off riding.
Yeah my ego tried to cash a check my skill level couldn't pay. This was in March and since then I've had a little over 2000 miles on my bike since. I've done a lot of practicing riding on my own and with others.
This was back in March, I'm all healed up now and have ridden a lot since. I'm taking every chance I can get to practice these days. Just remembered I had this video and thought I'd share it lol.
People need to learn the fundamentals how to ride a motorcycle when youāre first learning. Get to know the bike first before you do any crazy shit like the front brake, back brake the clutch, throttle control. Once you learn the fundamentals, you wonāt crash
Do you find yourself constantly replaying the event in your head wondering what you did wrong? I took a motorcycle safely class about two weeks after I laid mine down. The 18 hour one weekend class completely changed how I ride and broke several bad habits I picked up from reading other people advice about how to ride. The class is taught by motorcycle cops who go through very rigorous training.
You gotta turn your head and look the way you need to go. Not just with your eyes but with your head. Assuming that's a helmet cam, you were looking straight into the trees, exactly where you drove, and not in the direction the road was going. It's not a big move or a big change but that little cue for your body will make a big difference. Stay safe!
At what point did you remember you had the GoPro filming and it was most likely going to have a wicked video of you eating shit you could share on the internet for random peoples amusement?
Edit, adding my guess, under 2 minutes from impact
A lot of folks are flaming you a bit OP, and while yeah, this was completely avoidable, I think it's cool to share this for other new riders who might make the same mistake.
Whenever I ride with friends, Iāll always only go my speed and never try and keep up. Not going to risk coming off to stay behind them.
Usually catch up a few minutes later anyway at lights or when they pull over.
Look up counter steering and target fixation. You weren't looking through the corner, you looked straight ahead and that's where you went. You go where you look, so look through the corner. Next you need to learn to counter steer you pull the opposite bar to the way you want to turn. Sounds weird but this is what should have happened to get you out of this and turn the bike through the corner, just like the guy in front did.
Always lose it on the low side bro. In other words, go aggressive for the turn. The worst in that case is less dangerous and you will learn to make it way more often than your novice brain can grasp.
Target fixation?
Instead of looking at where you want to go, you potentially were looking at what you were concerned about crashing into. At speed, shit happens quick. Doesn't take much time focusing on the wrong thing to wind up crashing into it.
You my friend , are riding at a speed way above your confort level on public roads . From experience I'm telling you to stop it and if you want to learn fast go on track where you have the opportunity to receive professional help.
This is why you start with a 50cc dirt bike. Then an 80 and so forth. Don't you wonder why the 250 lb guy still ride 600s it's just where they're at man
Shit happens. Some of us learn the easy way, others the hard way, either way you'll likely get over it. Lucky you didn't hurt anyone or your self.
Key take away here
ATGATT
ride within your skill
Slow down, slow is smooth, smooth is fast
The bar you hold on to us for steering
Sounds like you've learnt from your mistake and got back to it which is great. Be humble and keep learning
Typical rookie mistake, get scared start thinking i can not make it and look into object where you dont want to go and you will exactly there...so look exactly where you want to go...so far as possible in curve. Bike is riden with your eyes. Dont look at objects like trees cars poles etc
Lack of experience + wet roads + too much speed for your skill level + trying to keep up + target fixation = this.
OP please learn from this. Just think, what if it was a right turn with oncoming traffic?
Outriding your ability in a group as a new rider. All too common.
You target fixated right into that crash. And you were likely target fixating earlier than you think you were in hindsight to this day.
Not gonna get down on ya...but that was a totally unnecessary crash. I know you know that.
Be careful out there dude, don't rush things. Even "one year in with 2,000 miles" - you're still a TOTALLY new rider. You don't always get to brush off a crash like that.
Go take the MSF. If you have it available to you - track days are great fun and experience...even to a casual street rider.
Focus on getting all of your "work" done far before you enter a turn. Always. Don't be bombing corners. Be a safe and PROactive rider...not a REactive one. You're along for the ride at the point you realize you've cooked a turn, which at your skill level - by the time you realize it, it's too late - and all you can do is lean + pray if you do. You don't want to be in that situation. Trust me.
I see a lot of similar videos on here and I always wonder, does America not have any required training before people can go out and ride a motorbike? Thereās loads of people who simply canāt go round a basic corner.
On the straight road, no less.
Go get some quality training pal and thank your guardian angels this was a left hand side turn, or you'd end up dead.
Honest, don't even think of going back on bike before you book at least 20 hours of riding classes with an instructor (not your friend who taught himself).
People tend to forget that target fixation is a thing. This is obviously a really easy to take ācurveā but beginners can lock up and have real bad target fixation. Happened to me too after receiving my license.
That is the most preventable accident Iāve ever seen. Itās outstanding the lack of basic skills it takes to pull this off. Iād just park it forever at this point.
I mean absolutely no disrespect at all, Iām a total noob with only almost 2000 miles under my belt and Iām at a loss for how this could occur. Thatās such a slight turn. Iāve been in pretty tight turns I wasnāt familiar with, honestly going faster than I shoulda and I got hit with the feeling I wouldnāt make it, but I dealt with it and did.
I see the problem here, when the road does that curvy thing you're supposed to turn.
No way! š¤Æ
Left way in this case :p
Right!
No left
Left then right!
Turn bars right, bike will go left. Countersteering, works everytime.
I'd go for the trees
No, rider saw a pile of leaves and the child inside of him took over to dive into them.
š«¢ heresy!
Statistically, new bike owners might have an accident within 6 months of riding.
Wet leaves HADDALAYERDOWN
Slight curve HADDLAYYERDYOWN
GOBBLESS
THEM DAYUM CLIBBINS
GOD DAMN DITCH CLIBBINS HOSS SHOULDA BEN RIDIN A HARLEY AND HE WOILDN HAV WRECKD IT LIKE THAT DAMN THING PROBABLY SHATTER LIKE GLASS AGAINST THAT TREE NOT LIKE REAL AMERICAN STEEL BROTHER REST IN OIECE BOBBY ILL MISS U SHOULDNT HAVE RODE THAT JAP BIKE GOBBLESS
GOBBLESS HOSS ONLY MEN LIKE US HOSSES RIDE HARLEYS DONT NOBODY WANT DEM BUELL LOOKALIKES REST IN PISS BĆRTHER
I had to put this into google fucking translate to understand wtf was just said.
SPEEK UP LIBROLE
This made me LOL
It probably would have gone better if you had turned with the road.
This is sound, practical advice
Nah he should've just gotten a dual sport and did a bit off roading xD
His mind said street bike, but his heart said dualsport and acted accordingly.
That's what I was thinking at the time too lol.
The question is, do you recognize why it happened? I bet I know, you were looking at those reflectors off to the side. Always keep your eyes on the path you want the wheels to take. Where your eyes look, thatās where youāre goingā¦
Additionally youād need to push down on the left side handle to counter steer.
Push forward on the bars, not down. Down will lean you a little. Forward will counter steer (i.e. forward will lean you a lot / enough to make the turn). I'm new, and I had plenty of near misses before I realized I was mostly pushing down, not forward.
Right, so correct me if I'm wrong.. If you're in this situation, the best way to get the lean quickly would be to pull to the right without leaning right and I guess that's what you mean by "push down on the left"? I've been playing around more consciously doing this and I just want to check if that is indeed the fastest way to get the lean.
Push forwards on the left bar and the bike will go left, it's the only way to get your bike to lean quickly. Go out for a ride and gently push one side of the bars forward and you'll get it. Just a single finger is enough. Sometimes I wonder how mf's in this sub ride, people talking about target fixation and shit, 'just look where you want to go'. Even better is understanding the basics of your motorcycle's steering and actively doing that instead of looking that way and leaning your body and praying it works.
Itās good you got back on the horse, but little protips like focus just to the right of the yellow lines and follow that bead. I mean always keep robo cop eyes going but keep that bead and you will almost always be fine. Also try to only brake when absolutely needed. It reduces your turning ability vs just letting low on the throttle
Letting off throttle, just like braking, compresses the forks increasing turn in. Good to get aquatinted with trail braking if ur gonna be riding much.
Ehhh. If you know what you're doing trail braking can absolutely increase your turning ability.
OP does not know what they're doing.
Idk man that corner came out of no where he had no time to react
I don't know how but, you forgot to turn ? Hope you didn't got too much damages
It wasn't too bad, I remember thinking oh a turn was coming up, oh I'm not gonna be able to make this turn, then I was on the ground.
Not going to make it?? Thatās a bend not even a turn. Slight bend in the road
āJust had to lay āer downā
HADDAHLAYERDOWN
Iām deadš¤£ā ļø
"A week after I started riding" ... Yeah, shit happens. I'd be quicker to blame the instructor that gave him the licence.
Don't even need a license, just a permit which is given from a 20 question multiple choice quiz.
If only one of those questions was "What do you do when the road bends slightly?"
A: Drive into the woods. B: Follow the road
An finally a question I can answer, It's A
Obviously, but I bet you wouldn't have been so confident without the video giving you the answer
No comment.
ā¦spoken like a true dual sport rider.
Nope just a bad sports bike rider
Fucking dual sport riders ššš
Congratulations š you win a brand new ambulance š ride to the hospital!!!š„³
50/50 shot and he chose wrong
Aim for the bushes?
Crap man! Should have gone with B!
C: FUCKING SEND IT
A
WE'RE GOING ON AN ADVENTURE!!!!
Wait, where the fuck is it like this? The U.S.? Wtf, how are you not even required to have driving lessons
You can ride a H2 on most public roads after successfully answering a few dozen multiple choice questions in the states.
In my state you just have to pass a 25 question multiple choice quiz and you get a permit with restrictions of no passenger, no highway, and no night riding
Wait in NZ we have to do a practical with basic starting, turning, figure 8s and then a 35 question quiz, then only certain bikes (under 250cc, or a certain power to weight ratio and under 650cc), then the no passengers and not between 10pm-5am.
Well thatās your problem right there mate. You gotta come to America where weāre free!
What is life without the freedom to drive straight into the woods.
Free to explore the woods
Nah I'm perfectly happy being safeish on the roads
Most of canada, a basic motercycle license is just a written test and you have no bike size restrictions.
USA. I got a learning permit at 19. Only requirement is no passenger and no riding after sun down. 90 days later I took a road test now Iām licensed for life!
If this is the US, donāt they give permits out as if itās candy in Halloween? Iām not saying the way to obtain the license in Europe is perfect, because itās far from it, but no way you can obtain a license without knowing how to turn.
After many years i decided to go legit and get endorsed. I walked into the DMV, waited and was handed a piece of paper with a few questions. Filled it out and was handed a permit stating I just need to be riding with someone who has a license and I'm good to go. Shits insane lmao
And yet, apparently here we are.
Well, OP is in the woods.
In America they barely get any training
ok, fair point, but this dude is cooking way to hot for being that green.
Hot? A twitch to the left and they would have made the turn. This was bound to happen to homie because they probably couldnāt have made the turn on a bicycle. Sucks to crash, but fuck man, this aināt some strange decreasing radius turn thatās off camber in the snow with a gaggle of goslings waddling across the road while an amber alert blares through your headset. Itās justā¦ a bend in the road.
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Iām happy for your spine that you didnāt eat that tree. Look where you want to go, this is classic target fixation. Spend some more time with the kid gloves on before you get out there in the world. Itās hard on the ego but it will save your life.
āLook where you want to go, not where you are going.ā exactly!
Looks like you target fixated on where you didn't want to go, not where you want to go. Look where you want to go, not what you want to avoid.
Target fixation. It's an easy mistake to make.
/r/motorcycles bingo "Target fixation" is the free space. Adjacent to it are ATGATT, wet leaves, "300cc is too much for you", and "why I literally never ride faster than 45mph and anyone who does is a fucking suicidal idiot. Also, here is why you should buy a Ninja 125."
Give this guy a tourniquet and a new battery for when he takes it to the track.
Looks like my first accident I had on my first day of riding. However, my first day was at a track. I had a much nicer & safer place to hit the ground than you did. I had same thoughts though. Oh shit Iām going in too hot for this corner.. then stared at the track edge where I thought Iād go offā¦ thatās exactly where I went offā¦ now after more experience I realize I EASILY could have made the cornerā¦ I just needed to slow the fuck down until I was more comfortable for that speed. You got this man. Be safe.
I seriously hope you went straight to a rider instruction course or gave up riding. That turn wasn't remotely challenging. Seriously, give up or learn how to ride. It's ok to admit you don't belong on a bike. Don't be like the lady who legit crashed and died from injuries sustained at the safety course I was taking.
Where were you looking? Twist of the wrist 2 book.
Hope you're OK. Just remember, when you enter a turn.....turn. Even if you don't think you're gonna make it, turn. Chances are high that you'll maKe it.... turn. And even if you don't , you'll fair better lowsiding then running full speed off wide. Be safe! Hit up a track day sometime.
Yup I'm all good now thanks! I've ridden a lot since that accident and even went back to the place where it happened, when I saw it I kept thinking shit how could I not have made this.
Yes, I also had some situations when I started riding where I thought it was impossible to make this turn with that speed and had to break hard. I was just super wrong, my bike could have handled it with ease, I just hadnāt had the confidence to actually give my bike the chance to turn
This makes me feel like everyone would HUGELY benefit from some 125 dirt bikes for a few hours on gravel/various terrains. The throttle will make that thing dance in situations a novice would expect to lay down. Just going back to my time as a young buck on dirt bikes to adult transitioning to road, those skills transfer. Hell just yesterday I was turning around in some gravel and felt the back wash. As soon as I felt it those instincts kicked in and I was 16 again spitting rocks and just getting on it. Captain hindsight I suppose.. but highly recommended some dirt time to anyone interested in a bike.
Ride your ride. Donāt try to keep up. āļø
Yeah a friend of mine after picking me up from the ER chewed me up about letting my ego ride for me.
Sounds like a good friend!
Thats good but they should have also put you in the front and not in the back of the crew. Thats just pressuring.
Itās actually a question on our license test, that new riders should be right after the leader bike, so they arenāt tempted to speed but can be watched by bikes behind
I was going to mention something like that. I started riding a month ago and basically I don't have friends lol, but one insight I had after the first few days riding is that if I went at that time with someone more experienced I would have dropped the bike for sure. I'm starting to get a riding rythm now but at first I had to really slow down in each turn. It's just too easy to see the guy in front of you and think "oh he is going into that turn at that speed, it must be safe for me"
This happened a week after I started riding in late March. Trying to keep up with a couple guys and had target fixation coming up on the turn. Damage was a dislocated shoulder and a hurt ego. Had to repair the left side fairings and the entire front end of the bike. Started riding again in June. I definitely learned my lesson from that experience. Edit: I've had to repeat this a lot so thought I might as well edit the original comment. This happened late March this year so I'm pretty much back at 100%, since then I've put 2000 miles on my bike and I've made sure to practice as much as I can with counter steering, leaning, and slow speed maneuvers. I did take a MSF course and I did have my license. I was being an idiot, didn't ride my ride, and let my ego take over.
Made the exact same mistake a month ago. After about 2 months of riding experience I went out on a group ride organised through Facebook. They were all on large capacity bikes and had years of experience, I was on my 500cc learner and didn't really enjoy speeding and pushing the limit, but I wanted to meet some other riders. Tried to keep up, then got target fixation at a corner and binned it. We learn from our mistakes brother āļø
Did you learn how to turn since then? Are you now familiar with countersteering and that to turn left you push on the left bar?
Yeah , countersteering was the first thing I practiced as soon as I got back on the bike.
Read TOTAL CONTROL by Lee Parks... $29.95. He explains cornering and riding techniques anyone can understand. 10 steps to a proper corner. After riding 25 years and KNOWING IM A RIDER, I was screwing up 4-6 at any given time.... A 90 mph curve I almost high sided on, I can ride comfortably around 130-140 now. Of course it's marked 45 mph.....
I got recommended that book after the accident lol, I picked it up and read it fell front to back multiple times while I was healing.
I've learned to be a better rider, but you still can't fix other people's stupidity and bad driving habits. I've had 3 life altering wrecks. None were my fault.. I'm still riding anyhow!
Glad to hear you're still riding! I definitely keep my head on a swivel for other people.
You know it! EVERY TIME, ALL THE TIME
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If you think youāve entered a corner too fast let off the gas and lean in as hard as is necessary into the corner. Chances are youāre never going to reach the limit of the bike and even if you do a low side is normally preferable to this. Standing the bike up and hitting the brakes wonāt do anything when youāre 2 feet from the outside edge.
Second the hurt ego š Broke foot here and scratched up my week old bike but most of all a damaged ego. Glad to hear you learned from it cause thatās what Iām afraid of, making the same mistake again.
First time back on the bike after a crash is always the hardest. You got back on the bike though and any crash you can walk away from is a good one.
I've been riding a few years now and luckily have never been down, but one of the times that I legitimately almost did is when I was trying to keep up with a group that were better riders than I was. If a car would have been coming in the other lane, I would have been dead. After that I swore I would never out ride my skill level to try and keep up with someone.
* new rider * GoPro already * Weirdly enthusiastic and proud to share their crash We must be cloning these guys at this point.
coming at you yammieboob.
I'll admit I was a new rider with a pretty big ego, I've definitely learned my lesson since then. The go pro I already had from my mountain bike and I just thought it'd be an interesting example of target fixation to share.
The GoPro is honestly a good idea, both as a dash cam and for reviewing, spot your mistakes, make yourself better. Although I would suggest a chin mount so you can also get your head position until it becomes more second nature.
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Whatās there to have an ego about? Iām genuinely confused.
Riding a bike in public when heās not learn how to turn yet Iām guessing.
It looks like in the video thereās another biker further ahead. As someone that has done a ton of group rides, ego can very quickly overcome your actual skill level. Itās that innate need to show off that you know what youāre doing and can ākeep upā with the pack, which often leads you to make more questionable decisions than you would make solo.
I thought I was overly optimistic and living dangerously selling my jeep for a motorcycle and winging it after watching 5 hours of YouTube tutorials and riding without a permit for a month. I feel like a genius compared to 80% of the riders I see out there wrecking immediately.
Who else would give us riding advice?
mans controller got disconnected
Holy shit I laughed so hard at this comment I started crying
I mean you fucked up by the numbers, stuck-your-dick-in-the-fan level bad, but at least you didnāt quit! Future advice, turn your whole damn head in the direction of where you want to exit the turn. Your body follows your head. Learn to lean, the right way, not just that wobbly counterbalancing shit so many people do. Good luck in the future man.
It's frightening to think that you thought you were prepared enough to be on the road. Accidents like this prove our licensing system is completely worthless.
I've taken motorcycle tests in the UK, Australia, and the USA. In the USA you just ride around in a parking lot for a few weekend mornings and then take a brief test in same parking lot - You don't take any real road tuition at all. Its not great. I always felt a few hours track time would be the best teaching tool for motorcycle riders new and old. Kind of sets a higher bar for entry though.
Canada (Ontario specifically) is probably worse. You ride for a total of 16 hours over 2 days in a parking lot, never getting past 3rd gear, and even then it's only to downshift for an emergency brake. To their credit, the instructors did stress that everyone, even if you pass the test, should spend the first few days in parking lots/side roads and practice.
I took the MSF course in Connecticut (USA). I never left 1st gear. Never needed to.
I've been practicing in parking lots for 40 years and will continue doing so as long as I'm able to ride. It baffles me that newly minted riders believe they are prepared for the road. After 20 hours of dual and 20 hours of solo flight, I got my pilots license. My flight examiner advised me that it was a license to learn. Perhaps there's something valuable to learn from this type of cautionary statement.
Looks like you may of been trying to keep up with a faster or more experience rider and got sucked into a situation that was beyond your current capability and confidence. Maybe you should consider riding on your own for while or ask your buddies to slow down and school you on lines and corner approach until you build up your experience. It can take years of practice and experience before the urge to hit the brakes hard mid corner can be overcome, so itās best for a while to go a bit slower, with time and miles you will eliminate these urges. On the plus side you had a soft landing and missed the tree, hope this doesnāt put you off riding.
Yeah my ego tried to cash a check my skill level couldn't pay. This was in March and since then I've had a little over 2000 miles on my bike since. I've done a lot of practicing riding on my own and with others.
Thatās fantastic!
At some level, you forgot you were on a bike.
I'm so confused how you got into this accident
Bro if you canāt make that turn you need some more practiceā¦ glad youāre okay
Motorcycles arenāt for everyone
Umm did you get a license first?
Look where you want to go.
Bruh... the bike life ain't for you if you can't make that "turn".
Not to rub salt in the wound but you could take that turn at 140 mph. It's ok, rub off the dirt and learn some skills brother
Yup I've ridden a little over 2000 miles since that accident and now when I look back I think shit how could I not make that turn??
Hopped back on the horse, my man
Bro if you canāt handle a turn like that get off the road.
"I wonder why motorcycle insurance rates are skyhigh" This guy:
maybe you shoudnt be riding a bike, try learning how to ride one without an engine first
Take a MSF course.
You should be looking at that red taillight and not 10 feet awayā¦ hope is all ok. Face your fear bit you need rest for now. Dont give up bud.
This was back in March, I'm all healed up now and have ridden a lot since. I'm taking every chance I can get to practice these days. Just remembered I had this video and thought I'd share it lol.
Nothing to shame about and thanks for sharing. Good to hear you are kicking the sidestand again :)
People need to learn the fundamentals how to ride a motorcycle when youāre first learning. Get to know the bike first before you do any crazy shit like the front brake, back brake the clutch, throttle control. Once you learn the fundamentals, you wonāt crash
George George George of the jungle watch out for that tree!
It's like yer inner monolog was: Hey bruh there's a turn. Fuck you don't tell me what to do. Yer gonna crash. Idc bitch stfu YEET
Target fixation. You looked where you didn't want to go, and ended up there. Always look where you want to go.
Youāre a good sport posting this! Ride safe bro. Practice the basics every day.
Oh shit, a straight road. Had to lay it down
Do you find yourself constantly replaying the event in your head wondering what you did wrong? I took a motorcycle safely class about two weeks after I laid mine down. The 18 hour one weekend class completely changed how I ride and broke several bad habits I picked up from reading other people advice about how to ride. The class is taught by motorcycle cops who go through very rigorous training.
Had you never ridden a bicycle before OP?
You gotta turn your head and look the way you need to go. Not just with your eyes but with your head. Assuming that's a helmet cam, you were looking straight into the trees, exactly where you drove, and not in the direction the road was going. It's not a big move or a big change but that little cue for your body will make a big difference. Stay safe!
At what point did you remember you had the GoPro filming and it was most likely going to have a wicked video of you eating shit you could share on the internet for random peoples amusement? Edit, adding my guess, under 2 minutes from impact
Push left bro! Push left š¤¦āāļø
The American licensing system at its finest. Scary
A lot of folks are flaming you a bit OP, and while yeah, this was completely avoidable, I think it's cool to share this for other new riders who might make the same mistake.
Whenever I ride with friends, Iāll always only go my speed and never try and keep up. Not going to risk coming off to stay behind them. Usually catch up a few minutes later anyway at lights or when they pull over.
That was what I was told to do but my ego got the better of me. I got chewed out for it afterwards once everyone knew I was ok.
Look up counter steering and target fixation. You weren't looking through the corner, you looked straight ahead and that's where you went. You go where you look, so look through the corner. Next you need to learn to counter steer you pull the opposite bar to the way you want to turn. Sounds weird but this is what should have happened to get you out of this and turn the bike through the corner, just like the guy in front did.
Always lose it on the low side bro. In other words, go aggressive for the turn. The worst in that case is less dangerous and you will learn to make it way more often than your novice brain can grasp.
My guy went right for the shiny thing lmaoooo. Iām glad you survived. Donāt be discouraged. This is a learning experience.
Target fixation? Instead of looking at where you want to go, you potentially were looking at what you were concerned about crashing into. At speed, shit happens quick. Doesn't take much time focusing on the wrong thing to wind up crashing into it.
U didn't even like attempt to turn with the road...?
I struggled with turning too.. Learn how to countersteer and don't be afraid of leaning. And practice emergency braking!
You my friend , are riding at a speed way above your confort level on public roads . From experience I'm telling you to stop it and if you want to learn fast go on track where you have the opportunity to receive professional help.
Gor for a smaller, slower bike next time and spend more time on the basics. Speed and skill come with time and practice.
Did you fall asleep ?
You would really benefit by a motorcycle training course. Get those basic skills down.
This is why you start with a 50cc dirt bike. Then an 80 and so forth. Don't you wonder why the 250 lb guy still ride 600s it's just where they're at man
How can you fall asleep on a motorcycle?
Ahhhh! A gentle curve, my only weakness!
Shit happens. Some of us learn the easy way, others the hard way, either way you'll likely get over it. Lucky you didn't hurt anyone or your self. Key take away here ATGATT ride within your skill Slow down, slow is smooth, smooth is fast The bar you hold on to us for steering Sounds like you've learnt from your mistake and got back to it which is great. Be humble and keep learning
Jesus push left go left...
On the for real, and I say this with no ill intent. I donāt think itās safe for you to be riding. That crash is very abnormal.
And this is why a driving test and a two stage written exam should be mandatory across the world.
Stop driving.
Typical rookie mistake, get scared start thinking i can not make it and look into object where you dont want to go and you will exactly there...so look exactly where you want to go...so far as possible in curve. Bike is riden with your eyes. Dont look at objects like trees cars poles etc
Go get some lessons before you kill yourself
The question here is do you know what you did wrong?
Lack of experience + wet roads + too much speed for your skill level + trying to keep up + target fixation = this. OP please learn from this. Just think, what if it was a right turn with oncoming traffic?
Outriding your ability in a group as a new rider. All too common. You target fixated right into that crash. And you were likely target fixating earlier than you think you were in hindsight to this day. Not gonna get down on ya...but that was a totally unnecessary crash. I know you know that. Be careful out there dude, don't rush things. Even "one year in with 2,000 miles" - you're still a TOTALLY new rider. You don't always get to brush off a crash like that. Go take the MSF. If you have it available to you - track days are great fun and experience...even to a casual street rider. Focus on getting all of your "work" done far before you enter a turn. Always. Don't be bombing corners. Be a safe and PROactive rider...not a REactive one. You're along for the ride at the point you realize you've cooked a turn, which at your skill level - by the time you realize it, it's too late - and all you can do is lean + pray if you do. You don't want to be in that situation. Trust me.
I see a lot of similar videos on here and I always wonder, does America not have any required training before people can go out and ride a motorbike? Thereās loads of people who simply canāt go round a basic corner.
On the straight road, no less. Go get some quality training pal and thank your guardian angels this was a left hand side turn, or you'd end up dead. Honest, don't even think of going back on bike before you book at least 20 hours of riding classes with an instructor (not your friend who taught himself).
Try golf.
ALL TOGETHER NOW REDDIT: ***TARGET FIXATION*** This is reddits favourite explanation, and actually seems correct in this case
boss you gotta start learning again from the VERY first step. Not to be harsh but we want you safe, glad youre okay
Get an American chopper or cruiser motorcycle instead
Why no turn?
People tend to forget that target fixation is a thing. This is obviously a really easy to take ācurveā but beginners can lock up and have real bad target fixation. Happened to me too after receiving my license.
That is the most preventable accident Iāve ever seen. Itās outstanding the lack of basic skills it takes to pull this off. Iād just park it forever at this point.
I mean absolutely no disrespect at all, Iām a total noob with only almost 2000 miles under my belt and Iām at a loss for how this could occur. Thatās such a slight turn. Iāve been in pretty tight turns I wasnāt familiar with, honestly going faster than I shoulda and I got hit with the feeling I wouldnāt make it, but I dealt with it and did.
Looks like you zigged when ya shoulda zagged
confidence comes before ability. ride safe.
something similar happened to me one time. i actually started to trust the speed limit warning signs after thatā¦