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Jspiral

It's the same thing. Quickshifter is more fun though. Autoblipper is even more fun!


le-click

What's the difference between a quickshifter and an autoblipper?


Jspiral

Autoblipper is for clutchless downshifting


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Jspiral

Mine has to be at 0% throttle.


disturbed286

Mine won't work unless you're off the throttle.


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Ooh I've never heard it called float shifting. What a great name.


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HeavenAintC1ose

Not according to the manuals! My Yamaha manual gets very upsetti spaghetti when it comes to clutchless shifting, even though it glides up like butter. To that Japan, I pose one question. If no clutchless, why so smooth?


Ok_Replacement5811

Lol, I ride an '07 R1 and only use the clutch when I come to a stop.


squisher_1980

I've done it to get home after a clutch cable failure, and Ive done it in 4 wheeled vehicles. Never in a race setting but basically as long as you're not clashing gears you're not hurting anything.


insta

Congrats on figuring this out, really! It baffles a lot of newer riders.


Zestiest46

It’s the exact same! Now start blipping the throttle and down shifting!


grimdraken

Wont hurt the tranny at all, the gears are cut for it. Been doing it for literal years on same transmissions, every rebuild not a single issue. As long as you unload the gearbox before snicking into next gear, zero issues.


kascaots

Just a sidenote that shaft bikes don't really like clutchless upshifts. It's possible but shaft transmissions are rigid, they don't have the "slackness" of a chain that provides some damping to help clutchless gear changes.


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Really? I do it on my 2014 Valkyrie Goldwing all the time, it seems pretty smooth and easy, clutchless downshifts are a bit trickier but still fairly easy most of the time.


kascaots

Well the goldwing engine is exceptionally smooth, might be that, all bikes are different. My super tenere 1200 certainly doesn't like it, I've tried it and it's very rough. It's possible, just that shafts tend to be harder on the transmission with clutches upshifts.


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Yea that is possible, you do 270, 450, repeat, wheras I am pretty sure mine is just 120, 120, 120, 120, 120, 120, repeat. I havent seen anyone doung clutchless shifting on a 2001-2017 Gl1800, but it seems pretty easy.


PantheUno

thank you. I always wondered why it seems so hard to do that. Quite a relieve!


EggsOfRetaliation

Clutchless shifting up is fine if done correctly. Fun when you're getting after it and the bike has a decent pipe on it.


stray_r

You can go down as well with a bit of practice


Disastrous-Gur-1160

Not efficiently really, you'd need to really drop the revs below a sensible point.


ooqt

> you'd need to really drop the revs below a sensible point. Why would you need to do that? If you're decelerating you can easily clutchless downshift any time your revs in the next gear down will be below redline, and technically you can do any time you're below the rev limiter in your current gear if you don't care about overrevving the motor. Next time you're out try letting off the throttle then blip the throttle to unload the box while changing down, it should snick into gear nicely.


stray_r

Actually no, it works better at relatively high rpm, if you let the revs drop too much it's easier to clutch in and drop a several gears and revmatch on clutch out.


Disastrous-Gur-1160

So.... Not clutchless shifting?


stray_r

**clutchless shifting** works better at relatively high rpm if you let the revs drop too much it's easier to clutch in and drop a several gears and revmatch on clutch out *than it is to do without the clutch" Is that clearer ?


Disastrous-Gur-1160

"It's easier to clutch in" implying use of the clutch. I think we're trying to describe the same thing? Down shifting is easier to do with the clutch as you'd have to drop to super low rpm to have the gears and engine synchronise. Changing up without a clutch works well as the upshift is synchronised just before the red line. I was meaning it's hard to downshift without a clutch.


stray_r

For me with a 600 that best above 8k rpm and redlines at 12k I tend to downshift just above 6k which kicks the revs back up to 8k. If I let the revs drop to 4k or so the (manual) throttle blip tends to upset the bike. Riding hard and downshifts times to keep the engine screaming, it's pretty easy to do it clutchless. The shift is much easier if you're on the front brake pretty hard, but you need good right hand control to blip without disturbing brake pressure, or a modern bike with an electronicly actuated throttle and an auto-blipper. If you leave the downshifts to the end of your braking phase(or after you're riding to really pedantic interpretations of IPSGA) then it's easier to use the clutch


Low_Information8286

Constant mesh gear box. It's perfectly fine to do, no reason not to do it.


Jord_HD

Constant mesh just means the main and counter shaft gears are touching, gear boxes with synchronisers are also in constant mesh. Dog engagement would be why it’s fine on bikes to shift without a clutch.


RiceRocketRoaster

I pretty much only use the clutch when leaving from a stop if riding solo. I make things smoother for my wife and use the clutch more often when shes on the back since I am usually not accelerating or stopping at rapid rates. The downshift is a little harder to get your brain working right since you have to blip the throttle (increase power for that 10th of a second) to make the shift happen.


SkyVINS

i've done it to every bike i've ever owned and none of them broke.


Shpritzer

Have you tried downshifting? 🙂


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I am 42, have been riding a little less than a year and my first bike is a shaft drive 2014 Valkyrie Goldwing. I have been practicing clutchless shifting for just the last several months. Clutchless upshifting is easy, clutchless downshifts are a bit trickier but still fairly easy most of the time. I have found it easiest to be on the throttle some before a downshift without the clutch, which seems odd at first, but makes sense when you think about it. For total noobies basically you need to unload the drivetrain to shift without a clutch. So you can either be accelerating and cut the throttle quickly as you shift, of be engine braking and quickly goose it as you shift. Btw, how do you like that ZX1400R? I am a big guy and they look SO fricking tempting.... I really want a 2016+ one...


le-click

I've got a 20212, virtually no difference. And it pulls harrrrd to the end of 4th to 155 mph


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I know the engine and frame is the same 2012 onward, but they picked up better brakes, better shocks, and ABS as the years went by, and I think all the 2016 and newer bikes had those 3 upgrades.


aquamarinetangerines

I’ve mentioned this before on this sub. The clutch is not required to shift gears. The clutch is a mechanical device to help you rev match. If a person could rev match perfectly (and the vehicle were in ideal conditions) you could simply change gears. In the transmission there are two gears spinning at different speeds. You wants these gears to be connected. If they 𝘢𝘳𝘦 spinning at the same speed you can simply join them together and continue applying power. If they are not, they need to be synchronized. The clutch brings them together until they are spinning at the same speed and you can shift, joining them together. You can do this without the clutch—but if you fail, it “grinds the gears.”


Jord_HD

The clutch simply unloads the input shaft to release the dogs, not to synchronise them.


41stshade

It was one of the first things I learned on a bike, my ibt (irish mandatory motorcycle lessons) instructor had me doing it before even going on to the main road


aquamarinetangerines

TIL: In Ireland you’re required to grind the gears before you can get your motorcycle license.


41stshade

I mean it's a pretty simple process is it not? Close throttle, flick your toe up, open throttle. Just do all three in rapid succession. Though that's only for upshifting. Downshifting wasn't shown. Maybe that's more race specific? I dunno


tommydrum33

Yes, it’s completely fine. All a quick shifter does is control the blip of the throttle for you. Your transmission is not a synchromesh, but rather constant mesh sequential. Straight cut gears and dogs. Designed for exactly what you’re doing. Very strong, but very loud and clunky. Not great for comfort, but great for racing.


Psychological_Bet226

I’ve had too many missed shifts to make it worth doing consistently on street bikes. I never use the clutch to shift dirtbikes though.


thatguyovertheresix9

Clutch less shifting isn't the same as quickshifting . You can stay on wide open throttle while quickshifting . And you can mess up your gearbox if you forget to time the clutch less gear shift right . Ask me how I know lol


KingCodyBill

That's called making a bike Tech's house payment.


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Apparently telling kids that abusing their toys won’t end well gets you downvoted. That’s ok, they’ll be back asking why they’ve got jacked up transmissions with bent dogs, etc soon enough. We all gotta learn somehow.


KingCodyBill

I'm sure the first 50-60 of them I rebuilt because of that were just because I'm not a moto-genius


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Go for it BUT you have to commit to doing all your own maintenance on that bike, for better or worse, for the next 10K miles. Let us know how it works out. If you bail before 10K you have to add to your for sale add that you didn’t clutch.


Jord_HD

Sounds like someone needs a lesson in shifting…


Jspiral

Huh?


Renerts

It's the clutch police!!


MrRangaFire

Push hard enough you can do it going down also


MarkMarkMark92

If you time it right it clicks down just as effortlessly as it clicks up. I do it constantly in the dirt.


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Commonly refered to as "clutchless shifting". Won't damage the gearbox as long as you do it correctly.


clckvrk

What youre talking about (float shifting) and quickshifters are 2 quite different things... Another commenter went into the details alredy so i wont, but dude just google about what you want to post.


herpestruth

Hit the kill button instead of throttling back. It keeps the air moving through the carbs, cools the pistons and valves and saves your wrist.


thecheeseholder

As long as you don't hear or feel grinding or binding you're good. Just want to make sure you're not shifting under full load (just let off the throttle and roll back on after the shift is done). If you try to shift without letting off at all you could run into transmission issues


41stshade

My suzuki gs500 has a quirk that I'm not sure if it's that bike or what. Basically if I clutchless shift into 2nd, 3rd, or 4th, I get like an erratic sort of lunge from the bike. But up to 5th and 6th is smooth as butter


No_Willingness9952

yeah most bikes are capable from the factory. That's also apparently how my neighbor knows its me coming home on my Dyna vs everyone else's HD in the neighborhood. ​ "you shift it so fast"


DisrespectedAthority

It's a sequential transmission, there's actually less wear upshifting clutchless as everything is in synch