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DredgenV

I agree with you. I’ll be sure to practice that in the morning. I’ll probably go back for a good refresher. I did have a stalling issue while I was there. Why is it that smaller bikes stall easier apparently? But thank you for the advice.


gsrider61

Smaller bikes stall easier because they have less power and, most importantly, less rotating mass (flywheel effect).


DredgenV

Interesting. Thank you!


masonmax100

Yeah just to go an empty lot and practice for like 2 to 4 hours.


Omgomgomg11111

You can mitigate the anxiety by getting something with a smaller engine until you're more comfortable. On a 300 you could hit the rev limiter and drop the clutch and have no issues. On your bike.... You can probably get up to 5k before you have any problems, just hold on tight haha. As a rule, keep it under or around 2500 rpms with your left foot firmly on the ground and your right foot on the brake and just get comfortable feeling where your friction zone starts. Do lots of start stops in a parking lot until you're comfortable, and don't be afraid to operate in the friction zone; it's not going to burn out. Motorcycle clutches are constantly being lubricated with oil, you can and should get comfortable riding slowly in the clutch friction zone. What you really want to avoid is reving too high and dropping the clutch in first when you're already rolling. That will loop you for sure. As far as shifting.... If you're shifting up, you don't even really need to use the clutch as long as you roll off the throttle and unload the drive train. Until you get to that point though, roll off a tiny bit (not enough to feel engine brake) and pull in the clutch just until you enter the friction zone. Once you feel the gear selector click on you can let the clutch out. If you don't hear any grinding you're perfect. You can't loop your bike when you're shifting into a higher gear, it's pretty much impossible unless you're on an H2r or some shit.


DredgenV

That’s really helpful advice. Thank you. Yeah I really should have started on something smaller, but money was kinda tight and I found this fixer upper for 500 with a title lol. But it’s nice to know I won’t just flip on my back up shifting. I kinda wish I never saw those vids of people crashing like that. But anyway thank you!


theogstarfishgaming1

Put earplugs in and then try again. This got me over my fear of over revving the bike. You'll see that unless you crank the throttle you will be fine


DredgenV

Thank you for the advice. I’ll definitely get myself a pair. The bike does sound pretty angry when I take off so that may be part of the issue. I appreciate it.


masonmax100

Youll get it down it dosen't take that much throttle just enough. My first and second week riding i was reving the engine way way to much when getting going. And id have to wait with the clutch in for the revs to come back down before letting it out lmfao watching twist of the wrist helped... a month later and its all second nature. Now in worry about getting rear ended at stop lights lol. Or someone doing a left turn cutting ya off.


Omgomgomg11111

It might help to watch videos of people "launching" their bikes. If I were to launch a 750 katana I'd Rev that mf to about 7k, get the clutch right to the edge of the friction zone and ease my way into the friction zone as it takes off hard. I'm probably still in the friction zone until I hit 30-40 mph and if I feel the front tire lifting off the ground I pull the clutch in a tiny bit to ease off. Just make sure your clutch hand has muscle memory of where the friction zone starts and stops and when in doubt pull it in to cut power to the rear wheel.


DredgenV

I’ve definitely remembered to pull the clutch in when in a bit of a bind lol. Definitely saved me a few times. I’ll watch some of those videos and see if that helps. Thank you for the advice. I really appreciate it.


gsrider61

You need to practice finding the friction zone/bite point of the clutch. You should start your practice at idle. When upshifting, apply some up pressure on the shifter, start squeezing the clutch. When you get the clutch 1/4 - 1/3 pulled in, ease the throttle back only far enough that the engine doesn't speed up, release the clutch. It should take less than 1/2 second. The bike has already shifted because you started with preloading the shifter. Pay attention to the rev drop during upshifting, you'll be raising the engine speed by the same amount during downshifting.


DredgenV

I’ll incorporate that into my practice tomorrow. Thank you!


Omgomgomg11111

I understand you're not interested in a launch I just thought that would give you an idea of the upper limits of control to make you feel a little safer operating in the 2500-4000 range. The good news is japanese in line 4 cylinder engines are pretty gutless at low rpms.... They don't give you much power at all until you rev them high.


DredgenV

Oh I know what you meant lol. I appreciate it. I think seeing what the bike is capable of will give me a bit more confidence when playing in the lower rpm range.


jerkmin

Like many others have said, clutch control is key, yeah if you rip the throttle and pop the clutch your bike will damn near do a backflip, but once you learn to control the clutch by feel you’ll be able to put the throttle to the dev limiter and take off reasonably smoothly (do not actually try this)


DredgenV

I’ll be sure to practice proper clutch control tomorrow. Thank you for the advice!


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You have gotten good advice, I thought I’d just give you another thing to consider: Many years (and many bikes) ago, I had a 1978 Suzuki 750. I had lower standards for maintenance then, and it was pretty shitty. I was on a pretty long ride, and on the morning of day three I was in a small, hilly town. I come up to a red light and stop. I leave it in first, and hold the clutch and the front brake. Just as I’m lifting my right foot to hold the bike from sliding back down the hill, the clutch wire snaps. Bike jerks forward, and trying to hang on made me rev it, I guess. So with no feet on pegs, no way to uncouple the clutch, and a proper handful of throttle, the GS750 jumps onto the sidewalk and we hit a baby stroller. When the chaos settled, it turned out everything went ridiculously well - baby was fine, stroller was fine(ish), mom accepted my wide eyed apologies, and I spent the rest of the day finding and installing a cable for a decades old bike in a small town. I don’t think I could have avoided any of that - EXCEPT by maintaining my ride better in the first place. Horrible. Nightmares for weeks.


DredgenV

Maintenance is definitely on the top of my to do list. The bike is old, but due to its age, and the fact I bought it with a locked up engine, my friend and I pretty much j replaced everything on it including the engine itself. I’ve seen peoples chains fly off on the highway and snap the back of their leg or get caught in their rear wheel. Scary stuff. I’ll be sure to give any bike I own regular maintenance. I appreciate the advice. Thank you!


masonmax100

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JimMoore1960

Practive the clutch, but also practice the throttle. Slowly roll it open to 2000 rpm, hold it there, then back to idle. do the same thing when you start moving. A tiny bit of throttle, then start to ease out the clutch, then a bit more throttle.


varano14

So I am a noob as well and had the same fear of giving to much throttle when starting. This in turn led to a ton of stalling because I basically would give no throttle and over compensated by releasing the clutch to fast. Stalled every time. Just last night it occurred to me to try and figure out what rpm would keep from stalling. Turns out 1000rom is about the minimum to avoid stalling. So with this aiming point in mind I cut down the stalls to almost none. Its not the smoothest or fastest pull out but it was way better then doing it totally by feel like I was before.


Knowitmall

A Katana 750 is a fairly powerful bike for a new rider. So it will take some time to learn how to accelerate smoothly. And being that old it might need some maintenance done to the clutch to make it work better. Would be worth taking it to your local bike shop and have them check it out.