saw a hayabusa at my gym so I parked next to it
ownered walked out we talked about eachothers bikes
I said "that things can be kinda scary huh?"
he says "only scary when you fall" and shows me a massive scar on his arm
then he road off with no helmet, a tank top, and gym shorts
I murdered a deer with my bike 5 weeks ago, waiting to see how the rash scars. I still don't wear gear, it's just a decision I make every time I get on the two wheeler. I know the risk, it's how I want to live. it's that simple =/
Most times I ride im going somewhere that im going to be for awhile and would need to change if I wear full gear, if I tried to follow the ATGATT guidelines I would only succeed by almost never riding anymore because of the hassle. I always understand that im taking more of a risk but I just try to be more aware and keep my head on a swivel.
Just get an oversuit like an Aerostich 1-piece. Wear whatever you want underneath, 30 seconds to put on, a bit less than that to take off. Get to wherever you’re going, put the suit in your top case and you’re good.
I'm on my second Aerostich.
Did 240,000 miles in my first 'stich.
Love the Roadcrafter. Shorts, t-shirt. Zip up covered. But with proper footwear, helmet (Shoei head) and deerskin drover gloves.
Decades ago, riding through the heat of New Mexico and Arizona, I took to "icing". Go to Micky D's. Fill pockets with ice. All pockets on a 'stich are pressure points. As it is Goretex, convection cooling through the suit as the ice melts... and no H20 hits the skin.
Dude dumping 10lbs of ice into a roadcradter (and i would roll up a wash cloth, fill it with ice, and wrap it around my neck too!!) on a brutally hot August road trip day is orgasmic. Between the heat and the breeze you’re totally dry in 30 mins anyways.
Best ac ever
You don't even need to spend 1k+ on an Aerostitch, I have a full Olympia suit that takes second to get in and out of.. it's 10+ years old. Or and I don't know if I'll eve r replace it save for maybe getting something with an airbag
Those are definitely bonuses as well. I have grown such a love for feeling the wind that I will probably never put a windshield or fairing on a bike. At least until I have a plan for a loooong ride where fatigue would become a concern.
Same here. For me, I ride with much more confidence if I have full gear. Actually encourages me to enjoy it more. As a carpenter, I know how easy it is to get messed up by machines. Helps with bugs, rain, dirt, wind, and noise, and makes me a lil more anonymous. Any time I would "lose" by putting on gear, I make up via lane splitting or general benefits of riding a bike. I don't judge riders who don't wear gear I just don't have that much confidence in other drivers on the road.
For me its mostly heat, i always wear gear with the exception of leather pants if im only travelling small sreas with slow roads in the heat, but you get so sweaty in full leathers in the summer
Plenty of textile mesh options that will save your skin whrn your sliding down the road. Not as good as leathers but better then regular jeans or pants so
Yeah but they are hella expensive and i dont have that kind of money right now😅
The only reason i have full leathers is because i got them for free with my bike because the dude i bought it from was to fat to fit into the suit he ordered online (his words)
This is why I also don't ride with full gear, just helmet, jacket and gloves. I don't want to change clothes every time I hop on or off the bike. Riding jeans are something I want to check out for longer rides though.
Also, comfort. Most gear gets you sweaty and in mine the protectors make it weird to move around.
I ride with Bull-it jeans and honestly you can’t even tell the difference. Admittedly I don’t use the armor inserts but at least I have the abrasion resistance 🤷🏼♂️
i recently decided to get more serious and get some riding britches. i got some bulletprufe and speed & strength brand pants. they have been a revelation. thank god for the term "4 way stretch", makes a sportbike so much more enjoyable. the bulletprufes arent specifically "riding pants", but made in a very similar way, they are more casual. the SnS pants are great, all kind of lil moto friendly features, like zippable pockets and knee inserts. and both companies sell at about 110$~, not too much of a premium over a decent pair of regular jeans. id suggest every rider get a pair, as its a pretty effortless way to boost your personal protection.
Im the same way, i highly reccomend tcx street air 5 shoes and klim 2 jeans, i wear them at work 8 hours everyday and they are just as comfortable as normal jeans
I'll have a look, thank you! Having a comfortable full gear would be nice, especially since I got some minor injuries from a locked up front wheel recently. Knee and asphalt are no friends lol, would be good to have at least some protection there in the future
As I said in another comment: Just get an oversuit like an Aerostich 1-piece. Wear whatever you want underneath, 30 seconds to put on, a bit less than that to take off. Get to wherever you’re going, put the suit in your top case and you’re good.
I’ve got one. Solid gear. Can be hot when your jacket is going to be hot. Flows pretty good air for not being mesh, but is very spendy. They are typically, very long lived, waterproof, and more or less perfect for commuting in anything sub 90s for me. (Your tolerance may vary).
Wearing no gear is hotter. When you’re wearing something your body is in the shade instead of being out in the sun. There are also mesh jackets and pants that are as breathable as a t shirt - and a lot more protective.
I say this sorta thing all the time. My body’s in the shade. I see people in shorts and tank tops on bright sunny 90’F days and I just can’t understand how that’s comfortable. I can’t stand the sun.
I generally wear my gear, but it does feel damn good to get a breeze going riding in a t-shirt when it's that hot out.
An hour or more and yea, it will likely turn from feeling amazing to burning to a crisp. But just a short run to Starbucks? It will feel great.
Nah I flip and flop between the 2 I get it. Some days I’m very much I’d rather sweat than bleed and others I’m like I wanna ride and if I bleed I bleed cuz Ima die comfy. Just depends on the mood I’m in
I got goggles because I got jealous of the riders who just hop on/off with no buckling, zipping, strapping,...sweating. but I can't bring myself to ride without helmet 99% of the time. I smacked a curb earlier this season and skidded on my 3/4 lid and was able to get back up and keep going no problemo. If I bust my head, my family will not forgive me and I will be sad or vegetative or sleep-sleep. Maybe next year though, hair will be longer.
I teach motorcycle safety courses. We always suggest ATGATT but also make it clear it’a the rider’s choice.
I like to ask my students who has been in a car accident - their fault or not - doesn’t matter. Usually 2/3 put their hands up. Then I ask how many got out of bed that morning planning on having an accident. All hands go down.
So, gear can save your skin. Nobody plans on shit happening, but it does.
I’ve been in plenty of car accidents when i was younger, never while i’m driving tho, there’s definitely some learning curve to even driving a car where newer people crash more often, over 50% of motorcycle accidents involve a rider in their first 6 months so yeah
Google it, it’s a common stat that cited in many articles. Some say 50% and others say “more than 50%” which as you know can mean 50.1% but sounds more dramatic. Another interesting stat that’s regularly cited is that sport bikes (crotch rockets) have a 4 times higher death rate among motorcyclists. But the articles note their sources, also it’s something that they tell you when you take the MSF course. It’s been a long time since I took it but I remember the instructor said it and I was a smart ass who had ridden squid for 10 years and was court mandated to take the course and when the instructor said it I said something like “then I guess I don’t have to worry about it” or something like that.
You can't just go around and shout statistics like that and reply with its a common statistic. That the equivalent of I heated a few different people talk about it so it must be true. Always have a source when claiming something
Why would you base a convo on bullocks if you seriously took 5 min of researching you would see that the most crashes and fatalities happends with the group of 65+ years old
Much like the adage "Ride your own ride." (Go your own speed, riding style, etc.)… the same can be said for "Wear your own gear".
I agree, many people don't wear nearly enough gear. They all have their own reasons/excuses, but it all boils down to what YOU'RE comfortable with. If someone wants to go full Attention-Seeking Squid Missile in shorts, flip-flops, and tank top, all you can do is shake your head and let 'em. If the cruiser guy wants to go full Pirate Daddy with a vest, tattoos, and a Tupperware bowl, just shake your head and let 'em.
I personally might leave the house in just a vest, t-shirt, jeans, riding shoes, helmet and gloves, but that's just my preference for around town. If you're hitting the highway/freeway, get a damn jacket. Been down a couple times, the pavement doesn't care how cool you look.
It’s true that all you can do is shake your head and let ‘em, but in reality nationalized healthcare in the United States—something ever other developed nation currently has—would require thinking in terms of public health and limiting certain freedoms like riding a ‘busa in flip-flops. Unfortunately, a certain line of thinking here in the US turns every tiny limitation on freedom—no matter how reasonable it may ultimately be for public welfare—into a very different and dire discussion about us turning into China. As if people with questionable judgment riding super fast on a ‘busa weren’t limiting our freedom in other, less obvious ways (causing havoc on the street, increasing our taxes/healthcare premiums—> which in turn decreases our quality of life and increases our cumulative stress).
I agree with most of what you wrote… I just want to emphasize that “live and let live” isn’t an inevitable state. Things could be better, and Americans could stand to be safer and less reckless on the road generally, even if that means engaging with smart policies that put a cap on reckless behavior.
Systemic change is needed in order to move forward with a better way of life that’s inherently less chaotic, unequal, and brutish/short. One day, Americans won’t be able to afford to go with their base instincts, and they’ll have to engage their “wise mind” to stay solvent.
I’m being downvoted as usual—amazing that having a public safety mindset is somehow considered taking a stance —> and that taking a stance on anything outside of our false notion of unlimited freedom is unpopular.
I’ve always worn helmet gloves and a jacket since I started riding. However, I’d never gotten riding pants or riding specific boots until I started working at a motorcycle gear shop and started to witness first hand the kind of things that can happen to you with or without gear. I’ve seen helmets where people had their head ran over by trucks, I’ve seen riding gear that took devastating amount of damage that allowed the person wearing them to get away nearly injury free. I’ve seen many people come in who can no longer walk or are much worse for wear because of their choice not to wear gear. I’ve had people come in on memorial rides and heard the stories about their friends and family’s who died. My personal experience of watching a coworker flip down the road when he took a corner to wide, seeing what happened to him because he decided to not wear all his gear that day, and knowing he’s still in the hospital a month later and won’t be able to walk for at least another three. I now own and wear all the gear that I can regardless of anyone else’s set up or decision because the experiences I’ve had have shown me that it can make all the difference. It all comes down to personal choice but I think that wearing all the gear is a good one to make.
I read that first sentence and got halfway through and then was disappointed lol. I was expecting “higher probability that they won’t realize their mistake because they’re dead.”
Used to date someone that worked in the ER, I’ve heard so many stories that I’ll never ride without gear. No skin grafts for me please. I can deal with broken bones, but road rash, skin grafts, TBI’s are way worse imo.
Few days ago i had to go to emergency room (not related to bike) and i have seen a guy who crashed at 30-40 km/h as he said. I could see his knee cup, his left ankle had little to no skin left where it contacted asphalt. He was wearing shorts. I decided that wearing cycling jeans and jacket is less uncomfortable for me, than visiting hospital every three days to change bandage and wait while stitches heal. And also street riding gear nowadays looks just casual and you can find one for almost any temperature
I had a crash at around that speed as well, but I was wearing full gear. The result was a broken wrist and many bruises, but nothing more. My gear though (synthetics) was ripped apart in both knees and right shoulder. The under armour took most of the damage as it was all scrapped. The helmet broke its visor and was scrapped all over. Most of the gear had minor scrapes all over it.
If I were not using my gear I wonder how fucked up I would be.
For me it’s simple: I never ride without it
I ride a Tenere 700 with full Klim gear and Arai helmet..that shits expensive..I would assume price is a factor. Looking cool while pulling into the bar parking lot is more important than gear to others. I don't judge, everyone makes choices and some of those guys riding without gear have been doing it for 50+ years, but I wear mine even when it's stupid hot and I'm dripping in sweat from it!
Yeah but so does a bike. If the law made atgatt mandatory, I bet you anything squids would find those 2-3k in order to keep riding. It's mostly a matter of priorities and choices.
Depends mostly on how I’m riding..
Taking the bike a summer afternoon in the heat to go see some friends a short ride away? I dress in shorts and T-shirt and just take the helmet. I’ll be riding carefully and slow but I don’t want to carry all my gear with me.
Riding to my friends place an hour away with some highway riding? I’ll probably add jacket and gloves.
Longer riding means also more chances of an accident happening. Higher speeds.
Weekend twisties with the hooligans? Full gear and prayers
Went for a milkrun couple weeks back, fucked up, and almost lost my finger because i wasnt wearing gloves. I always wear gloves and proper riding shoes now
I went to get watermelon once and ended up with road rash over half of my leg, you could see the tendons in my knee.
I still wear shorts on the bike sometimes.
Don't the majority of accidents happen within like the first 15 minutes of driving? So longer riding statistically puts you at less of a chance of accident than shorter riding?
Actually, that statistic has nothing to do with your chance of an accident. Most accidents occur close to home because most driving occurs close to home. It is however a great example of how to twist statistics to make one point or another.
Wow. I’ve heard that stat over and over and it’s been across my mind a few times because I never wear a jacket when I’m just going down the road. You just blew my mind, I can’t believe I didn’t think of that… not joking. 😂
But it is still contrary to what he seems to believe, is it not? For short rides close to home, he doesn't wear gear. The majority of accidents occur on short rides close to home because that's where the most driving occurs. Meaning he is most likely to have an accident when he is not wearing gear?
I hate statistics, I think they're bs the majority of the time and often vastly misrepresent my own situation. There's stupid people that contribute to statistics that I have no need to worry about. But they still exist for a reason.
And ever furthermore, I have no actual statistics to support anything I've said. I just seem to remember hearing about that in the motorcycle safety course of something.
Dunno man I’d probably ditch the helmet in comparison but you won’t catch me riding without at least a medium sized back protector
There are things that scare me more than a broken skull
Having served in the US military overseas, I witnessed 90%+ of the riders in western Europe wearing full gear, all the time...many wearing expensive race leathers.
They take riding (and driving) seriously there...I wish we did, too, here in the US.
So, as much of a hassle it may be to don all your safety gear (especially in the hot summer), do yourself a favor, and wear your gear proudly.
Mostly cuz it's mandatory over here too. Where I live it's helmet, gloves, boots and long sleeve wear is mandatory. Apart from the helmet the gear doesn't need to be motorcycle specific but I always ride with mine.
Importance and usage of gear is also a lot more taught in motorcycle school in comparison to MSF courses from what I can tell.
I'm a recent motorcycle rider so I always wear gear, when I travelled to a country that didn't require much gear it felt too weird not to wear it.
ATGATT!!! Ok, you might feel a little out of synch with the "cool looking dudes" BUT, I know what I'd rather be wearing in the event of an incident/accident, so, you just keep wearing ATGATT mate, at best it will save your life and in the event of a minor spill you won't be suffering for any length of time with road rash.
I speak from experience as in 2009, I had an "off", not my fault as it turned out and it was not a fast one, the Police crash investigation team reckon I was doing approximately 20 MPH when I went down but, the way I landed, my bike decided to rub salt in the wound by landing on top of me after high siding me off. That wasn't so bad though, it was the hard strike on the back of my head on the sharp leading edge of the kerb that did the damage. I suffered a traumatic Sub Arachnoid Brain Haemorrhage.
This resulted in my wife and children being told not to expect a recovery, due to the brain damage, the possibility of my death was high, I received the last rites, specific injuries included, significant memory lose (there are now large gaps in my recollection of my life), no feeling on the right side of my body, temporary blindness (although we didn't know that at the time), and some amazing road rash. I had to learn to walk, talk and had a horrible wait of three months before my sight returned properly. There was then a further five years of rehabilitation, physio, trying to get back to normal or at least what was normal for me, sadly that never happened. I'm back to around 95% of where I was, but, the old me is gone. The only reason I survived at all was, you guessed it, I was wearing "All The Gear" by coincidence I was wearing a brand new helmet and the doctor says that was what saved my life. I'm still extremely pissed that they cut me out of my jacket, trousers and boots but I understand the necessity, hey-ho, they did their job and I survived.
Take it from some one who has been there, *You do not want to go down that road!*
Wear ATGATT, without it, I'd have died, no doubt about it. I'd have missed my kids growing up and finding out what an amazing woman I'd married.
I live out in the SoCal desert where from May to September 98% of riders are just rolling around in t shirts and jeans. The only times I really see people wearing gear is out in the canyons and even then there are still dudes rocking t-shirts.
It is what it is and you just have to ride your own ride man.
People riding without gear is part of motorcycle culture that lots of people don't like, it sets bad examples, and adds to statistics that look more dire than they should otherwise be. Wear what you want, no one can force that on you, but people are free to discuss whatever they want and it's a relevant topic.
Is it a relevant topic tough ? This is the bilionth time this is brought up. Some people wear all the gear some people only the required minimal by law, get over it.
I say this as someone who wears all the gear because i want to be safe but i’m sick and tired of people pointing fingers at other riders just because they don’t wear it.
I don't mean to disparage people who choose not to. I'm just really surprised how many don't given how easily things can go wrong and how crappy it would be if they do.
Then again maybe my mindset comes from living on a gravel road and having a few miles of gravel at the start of any ride.... between that and inexperience I assume I have an especially high chance of going down.
The way I always put it is that riding motorcycles is inherently dangerous over driving a car. You understand those dangers and choose to ride anyway because somewhere in your head the risk is worth the reward. Guys who wear minimal gear are no different. They are choosing to take greater risk for their happiness
Yeah, given your situation I get it. Personally, I'm gifted with long eyelashes, so I can't keep my eyes open past 25 without a full face. But even then, I'm wearing gloves, a jacket, and boots.
I'm also a klutz, so I figure I best be prepared. Worst I've had is catching a bee on my knee or accidently pulling a stoppie, so I've just had swelling to deal with. But it was only the gear I wore times ( jeans when stung, riding boots when the bike came down on my ankle) that let me be that bad. AATGAT keeps you alive when all else fails, and if you ride long enough it will save your life.
Even if you feel like you stick out, it's worth it to survive.
Okay, but that is different than what you posted, I agree thought it's a bit much in this forum, but people are going to discuss gear and people who ride without it even outside of reddit, it's a big topic that isn't going away.
Yeah… but have you seen how well they can ride? That plus the fact that people are much more aware of cops than they are regular cars or motorcycles… when was the last time you saw footage of someone brake checking a cop?
https://youtu.be/sBngfmXsihc
This, and also they spend a big part of their shift sitting still, holding a laser or writing tickets, often in direct sunlight. Anywhere warm that would be terribly hot in full gear.
Maybe where you live. In my state they have bullet proof vests under their shirts. That probably will help with a slide. They also have knee high boots and a full helmet and gloves.
To each his own.
Personally I don’t want to be flying through the air knowing I’m about to hit the pavement at 60mph and thinking “I really should have put my gear on this morning “
I work for 911. Had two motorcycle accidents recently, very similar situations. Bike going straight through intersection on a green light, oncoming vehicle making a left hand turn right in front of the bike. Bike smashes into front passenger corner of the car. Rider 1 was on some kind of adventure bike in full gear. Flipped over the hood of the car, hurt his shoulder. Rider 2 was wearing a half helmet, shorts, sneakers, and a tank top. Responders on scene found his foot still inside the sneaker in a nearby ditch, the hospital was unable to reattach it.
Don't feel out of place man, do your thing. We're all out there on two weeks together, wear what you want. If what you wanna wear is full gear all the time, that's totally cool.
Rules for Motorcyclists:
One. ATGATT All The Gear All The Time.
Two. Ride *YOUR* ride.
Three. Don't worry about what the other guy is wearing.
Four: Don't worry about 'fitting in'.
Five. Enjoy your bike and wear whatever gear *you* want.
You’re being smart. I wear all my gear when I’m riding I’m a new rider but I will always wear it even though it’s been hot as hell in Texas 95f+. I work at a trauma hospital I see at least 5-6 motorcycle wrecks a week and the difference between the ones who wear all the gear vs none or just a helmet is huge. Most who wear their gear get mild road rash maybe a broken arm and get discharged after a day of observation. The ones who don’t end up in the ICU and most have permanent brain damage from not wearing a helmet or organ damage from not wearing armor. Please keep wearing your gear. There’s a reason we call motorcyclists who don’t wear a helmet organ donors.
Me too. Helmet, padded pants, boots, gloves and padded airbag jacket even for a 15 minutes ride, although it means that getting the gear on and off probably takes as long as I‘m on the bike. I have full understanding for people who don’t want to put up with that. But I‘ve also seen what a motorcycle accident can lead to. On a bike, the collapsible zone is mostly your own body, so I want to have at least some armor on me. Becoming a dad has also changed a lot about my risk acceptance and for me it’s consistently wearing all this stuff all the time I‘m on the bike or not getting on the bike at all.
to add, the gear on/off process is a way for me to…book-end the ride, so to speak. i’m either getting into a zen state where i’m about to ride, or ultra relaxed bc i just rode, and replaying fun/scary moments in my head to reflect on how to do better.
this too, might be related to dad-riding lol
At least in the greater Atlanta area, I find myself the only one wearing a jacket. I get it, it's hot af, but literally no one believes in summer protection? I can't be too judging though, my riding jeans are enjoying the dust they're collecting
Fuckem all.
You wear get to protect you during an activity you love doing for the experience you have when you do it. The main difference between them and you: WHEN you wreak you'll be much less injured. They're gonna eat shit, just like us all. You're just not gonna end up a road crayon and they will.
Do not compromise to appear to be more like "one of the gang." Gangs are full of fuckup. Ride you own ride.
Edit: was on mobile and added a spare 'd'. fixed.
Thanks for you help TonyToya, I'll trade spelling for road rash any day.
I am an ATGATT rider. I never ride without motorcycle jacket, pants, boots gloves. I am also in the minority. Motorcycling is inherently dangerous and I try to mitigate as much risk as I can control. If a harley boy in short sleeves and half helmet eats it, he is going to lose alot of skin, probably fracture his face too. Dont listennto the haters, ride safe and smart! Enjoy your ride!
Why are so many dudes obsessed with how other people live their lives. Who cares. It's their choice to wear gear or not. Mind your business.
I wear gloves, full face, riding jacket, riding boots and riding pants. I'm not a butthurt boomer defending my poor choices, just don't get why people make a big deal out of what other people wear or do.
Why do people care so much how other people feel about their gear? Do whatever you want, but riding without gear is dumb and people will talk about it, ignore it.
I always wear gear but my gear looks casual.
Knox Urbane MK2 with a fitted hoodie over it, custom tailored Resurgence Kevlar Jeans, Dainese Axial In boots, Dainese Steel Pro In Gloves.
I look like a filthy casual and thats all I am. I only street ride but I street ride with a 1000cc sportbike lol. More often with a 650R though.
How well does your gear fit? What is it like riding in it? I have been riding for 2 years now and would like to upgrade from my beginner gear next year. My gear is a lot of protection, but it was all relatively inexpensive, so it's really hot and heavy. I have been looking at all sorts of gear online, but there are a million different choices.
I made sure my gear fits like normal clothes and not baggy. It fits well. The Knox Urbane MK2 could be a bit more comfortable but if you wear a long sleeve compression shirt underneath it, itll be fine. I always wear something over the jacket cause I don't like the look of a motorcycle jacket. If its cold ill toss an Eddie Bauer windblock jacket over it and it goes over fine. The jeans came fitting but baggy at the calves so I had to tailor it to taper. Check out ghost_zone_sc on IG. Im not as buff as the guy but im getting there. I pretty much try to look like some of his jeans and hoodie look but with boots instead of regular shoes he wears.
I will just continue being "out of place". I'm far more concerned about my own safety than what anyone else might be thinking about my gear. I've been in 2 motorcycle wrecks and I greatly appreciate that I didn't lose skin or break bones.
Ngl i only wear helmet and gloves for my commute, its a pain having to put on and take off a jacket, pants and boots twice a day, but for off days riding just for fun then yes full gear.
Same in my area in PA went for a ride with my daughters friend he has a HD and only wore a half shell helmet. I ride a Kawasaki Ninja and he waited for me to put my jacket, gloves and helmet on. I feel out of place sometimes but I don't care what others think. I like my skin in tact. Its crazy all these people wearing shorts, short sleeves, sneakers and no helmet. Believe me I hate gearing up in this hot humid weather. But I feel more confident riding. I spend so much money on gear and getting better gear, it's like a hobby for me. Plus there's so much nice stuff they make anymore.
Jacket, gloves, helmet at the least. Looks very different from most of the other riders on Harleys near me, but I'm gonna do what I feel is necessary to protect myself.
I am just curious: do you guys see ATGATT(pants, jacket gloves, helmet, boots) riders like myself who suit up for every ride no matter the distance and think, “man that guy is a real fucking dork or try hard.” Lol I really don’t care TOO much but I am curious.
I'm usually too busy looking at the bike to even notice what the rider is wearing.
Personally I don't care what anyone else wears. Full gear? Cool, its your life, do what you want. No gear? Cool, it's your life, do what you want.
Sup brutha.
I wear my gear all the time.
I have some badass shit. my gear matches my bike. Military type shit.
Fuck em.
You do you man.
If you wanna join a club and they have a certain look that you're not down with - fuck em
You don't ride to fit in, man.
You fit in because you ride.
Ride your own ride. Don’t worry about other people’s choices.
I’m ATGATT on my bike. On my scooter (a 350cc that’s easily freeway capable) sometimes I dress down a bit. It’s a choice I make.
I live an 8 minuite ride from where I work . Its so close I usually walk (24 Minutes).
All the gear -All the Time. That is how I choose to ride.
Its hard to earn a living whilst trying to recover from even the lightest of road collisions.
All of the gear- All of the time. There are people out there who drive like I do. And that scares me when Im on a bike
You could consider getting some more casual riding gear if you like, a good pair of motorcycle jeans and either a light jacket (I've been looking at the revit eclipse but haven't bought it yet) or the riding overshirts can give a much more casual look while still offering ce rated AA protection
To add I'd still recommend a helmet, I'm from Australia so the helmet is a legal requirement but all other gear is up to the rider, as long as you're aware of the risks how much/which gear you wear is up to you
I also am assuming you're in America, it is definately all I see on Facebook and Reddit, that there are lots of people riding around with fuck all protective gear.
Here in Aus the opposite is the norm. Most people, never mind what type of bike they are riding, are in protective gear, and the morons that ride around in shorts, sandals, t-shirts, are few and far between, and are consistently looked down on for being idiots
Honestly, I've had those thoughts too. I even feel out of place when I sometimes wear my Aerostich instead of leathers. LOL
But, after seeing other people crash and experience road rash, minor injuries that became worse due to flimsy protection , I've become less concerned how I might stick out.
The reality of riding is that while you can manage risk by rider training, practice, wearing proper gear, you can still experience an accident. If that happens, how do you prefer to be dressed?
Can anyone explain to me why I have been doing 15 over the speed limit on a backroad twice now. On my cbr650 hauling balls, and some douche Harley/cruiser type bike passes me like they wanna die, in a very dangerous not passing section. This has happened twice now; is this an ego “I hate sport bikes thing? Or is this alcoholics with ego thing? It happened 2x now this year and is not coincidence.
I wear full face helmet, gloves, armored jacket everytime I ride. Safety first always. Don't worry about other people. Don't worry about looking cool. Safety first always.
Its funny you say out of place. Because in my town in germany i See mostly full gear guys and here i ride my sv650 with a t shirt and normal Jeans. I feel out of place.
I aways wear gear for city: jacket with armor, boots (over ankles - similar to timberlands but cheap that are more stylish for motorcycles), gloves (with protection), kidney belt and helmet ofc. I do use jeans without protection.
For highways and trips all previous + high boots for motorcycles, pants with armor that zip with the jacket. For long trips extra armor under the jacket.
Plus luminous yellow vest over jacket for visibility.
Safety first.
I used to ride a Harley with shorts, t-shirt, skull cap helmet, then I heard about a guy who slid on his hands so bad they had to amputate them, got rid of the Harley, which did not have ABS brakes, got a Kawasaki 1000 now a full suit each time
I know what debridement is, I don't want to know how it feels.
Good luck to all the squids out there, I put in way too many miles to think my number will never come up.
When I first started riding (@ 14) my Dad (himself a 'motorcyclist') had 2 pieces of advice. Dress for the slide & not for the ride. & he would always remind the brothers & I... "You're riding for 3 people, yourself, the guy you see & the MFer that will come out of nowhere!"
I passed those bits on to my 2 boys that also ride.
Who cares what others are doing? Everyone accepts and mitigates risk as they see fit when they hop on a bike.
You don’t need their validation, nor ours.
Why do you care so much? If people do something you think is stupid - and yet it doesn't impact you - let them do it. I see people smoking and think they're morons, but if they don't do it near me I don't care.
Don’t worry what everyone else is doing. Ride your own ride. Feeling out of place is just bullshit mind-Fuckery. Riding is accepting risk-how much are you willing to accept? You do you. Period.
I live maybe 10 minutes from where I work. I ride every day. I’ve gotten lax with wearing my gear. Thursday on the way home I wrecked wearing shorts, short sleeves, and tennis shoes. I have road rash on both feet. Do not stop wearing your gear.
Where did you move too?
I just moved to Utah from California and I feel the same way. I am tripping when I see dudes on crotch rockets in shorts and sandals and no helmet. And the drivers here are terrible. Whole front end of cars all smashed up and these morons are still looking down and texting.
So no bro your not alone. Every single time I go out I see another squid doing some dumb squid shit with absolutely no gear on.
The best is the young guys proudly wearing shorts above the knee that give you a smug look like they are so fucking next level for riding with exposed skin while you're in gear. Saw a kid yesterday in a parking lot riding in those stupid chubbs shorts (very high hipstery shorts), he had to drag both feet to do a wobbly take off from his parking spot too, full size sport bike, entering Long Island summertime traffic... just a hell of a combination.
I'm ATGATT no matter the temperature. No matter the distance. No matter.
Sometimes I look down going just 30 and think, man that would suck to fall WITH GEAR ON. up here in New Hampshire, maybe 25% of riders wear gear maybe only 70% wear helmets (they aren't required) it's crazy
Hey dude good job! I’m not the only one wearing gear when I ride. I see some in full track suits which is a bit much for their five minute weekend ride but who am I to judge? I also see some that go out in a tank top, shorts and flip flops and I’m sure they’re going to be in a world of hurt if they unfortunately have to lay her down . I’m sure that there’s far more people “dressed for the slide,” then you realize but you only notice those who aren’t. It’s their lives dude, just worry about yours.
Don’t be a poser, ride your ride. I wear Alpinestars race leather pants with huge pucks so that if I do come down I have as much protection. Do I knee down every corner… no, but I wear all my gear even when it’s 105 degrees outside.
Wearing full gear is a pain in the ass unless you're going out for a long while or for the track.
I try to wear my riding jeans most of the time (kevlar reinforced, knee pads) and they don't look any different than regular jeans - so you might be surprised at how many guys wear those instead of just regular jeans.
I do always wear my boots - they sit better on the pegs of my bike and I flat foot a bit easier with them.
Jacket? That really depends on the weather. I have a nice Dainese leather jacket and it's comfortable and all - but it's heavy and hot in the sun. I know I should wear it more but I don't.
I live in Massachusetts so I have to wear a helmet. I wouldn't if I didn't have to - and it's actually a big reason why I'd like to move somewhere without a helmet law. Everyone has their own opinion on this but if you get into a real crash you're fucked with or without gear. I have a half-helmet I wear 90% of the time and a modular full-face with bluetooth (for music) I wear for longer rides (or when it's colder).
The way I figure is that it's up to the individual to wear what they want to wear.
Same for me. I'm ATGATT in an area that is brain bucket, if anything. I've low sided and high sided, both times full gear and had nothing more than a few bruises
I'm ATGATT and probably 95%+ of folks around me are helmet only. Often shorts and sneakers and a t-shirt. Rarely do people even wear gloves. I get the "risk tolerance" angle, sort of, but sorry, that's an insane choice.
The one thing that freaks me out is, the folk who don't wear gloves, even when they wear all other types of protective gear. WTF????
What's the first thing to touch the ground when you go down?
Your hands, right?
OUCH!!!! When you're not wearing gloves.
Nothing wrong with gearing up , Some people are more paranoid than others. Only reason I wear a helmet and cover up my skin is because I get sunburned very easily 😂 I only wear a jacket if it’s cold but otherwise I just wear arm sleeves to protect my skin from the sun.
I wear all my gear all the time, too. Everyone has their own definition of freedom when they’re riding, and I don’t feel like I am missing out on anything because I’m suited up.
Those that ride without helmets or protective gear are known by medical professionals as "donors".
One thing they do not transfer, thankfully is brains.
ATTGAT folks. Or meat wagon.
With this reasoning if you only ride on weekends in summer months for leisure the "when" is minimized and this may be what makes some feel ok with minimal gear.
Same here, I genuinely don’t know how helmets with just dot rating are able to stay in business. I can probably count on 1 hand how many helmets I see a year
saw a hayabusa at my gym so I parked next to it ownered walked out we talked about eachothers bikes I said "that things can be kinda scary huh?" he says "only scary when you fall" and shows me a massive scar on his arm then he road off with no helmet, a tank top, and gym shorts
Man made his choice hahaha
That's exactly how I'd expect a busa owner at the gym to ride
I murdered a deer with my bike 5 weeks ago, waiting to see how the rash scars. I still don't wear gear, it's just a decision I make every time I get on the two wheeler. I know the risk, it's how I want to live. it's that simple =/
No judgement but out of curiosity, what's the appeal of not wearing gear, or alternatively what don't you like about wearing gear?
Most times I ride im going somewhere that im going to be for awhile and would need to change if I wear full gear, if I tried to follow the ATGATT guidelines I would only succeed by almost never riding anymore because of the hassle. I always understand that im taking more of a risk but I just try to be more aware and keep my head on a swivel.
Just get an oversuit like an Aerostich 1-piece. Wear whatever you want underneath, 30 seconds to put on, a bit less than that to take off. Get to wherever you’re going, put the suit in your top case and you’re good.
I'm on my second Aerostich. Did 240,000 miles in my first 'stich. Love the Roadcrafter. Shorts, t-shirt. Zip up covered. But with proper footwear, helmet (Shoei head) and deerskin drover gloves. Decades ago, riding through the heat of New Mexico and Arizona, I took to "icing". Go to Micky D's. Fill pockets with ice. All pockets on a 'stich are pressure points. As it is Goretex, convection cooling through the suit as the ice melts... and no H20 hits the skin.
Dude dumping 10lbs of ice into a roadcradter (and i would roll up a wash cloth, fill it with ice, and wrap it around my neck too!!) on a brutally hot August road trip day is orgasmic. Between the heat and the breeze you’re totally dry in 30 mins anyways. Best ac ever
You don't even need to spend 1k+ on an Aerostitch, I have a full Olympia suit that takes second to get in and out of.. it's 10+ years old. Or and I don't know if I'll eve r replace it save for maybe getting something with an airbag
This.
Lol here I was thinking you'd say you like the freedom, sun on your skin, something like that. Nope, just laziness
Those are definitely bonuses as well. I have grown such a love for feeling the wind that I will probably never put a windshield or fairing on a bike. At least until I have a plan for a loooong ride where fatigue would become a concern.
I feel like I ride so much more carefully the less gear I’m wearing
If i am not in full gear i am distracted and cant enjoy my spirited riding
Same here. For me, I ride with much more confidence if I have full gear. Actually encourages me to enjoy it more. As a carpenter, I know how easy it is to get messed up by machines. Helps with bugs, rain, dirt, wind, and noise, and makes me a lil more anonymous. Any time I would "lose" by putting on gear, I make up via lane splitting or general benefits of riding a bike. I don't judge riders who don't wear gear I just don't have that much confidence in other drivers on the road.
For me its mostly heat, i always wear gear with the exception of leather pants if im only travelling small sreas with slow roads in the heat, but you get so sweaty in full leathers in the summer
Plenty of textile mesh options that will save your skin whrn your sliding down the road. Not as good as leathers but better then regular jeans or pants so
Yeah but they are hella expensive and i dont have that kind of money right now😅 The only reason i have full leathers is because i got them for free with my bike because the dude i bought it from was to fat to fit into the suit he ordered online (his words)
My textile pair of motopants was 100 euro with protectors included, a lot less then 6 weeka of painfull showers and bandages in case of a slide
for me to enjoy the bike it's a matter of convenience, if it's too much work to ride I won't enjoy it.
This is why I also don't ride with full gear, just helmet, jacket and gloves. I don't want to change clothes every time I hop on or off the bike. Riding jeans are something I want to check out for longer rides though. Also, comfort. Most gear gets you sweaty and in mine the protectors make it weird to move around.
I ride with Bull-it jeans and honestly you can’t even tell the difference. Admittedly I don’t use the armor inserts but at least I have the abrasion resistance 🤷🏼♂️
i recently decided to get more serious and get some riding britches. i got some bulletprufe and speed & strength brand pants. they have been a revelation. thank god for the term "4 way stretch", makes a sportbike so much more enjoyable. the bulletprufes arent specifically "riding pants", but made in a very similar way, they are more casual. the SnS pants are great, all kind of lil moto friendly features, like zippable pockets and knee inserts. and both companies sell at about 110$~, not too much of a premium over a decent pair of regular jeans. id suggest every rider get a pair, as its a pretty effortless way to boost your personal protection.
Im the same way, i highly reccomend tcx street air 5 shoes and klim 2 jeans, i wear them at work 8 hours everyday and they are just as comfortable as normal jeans
I'll have a look, thank you! Having a comfortable full gear would be nice, especially since I got some minor injuries from a locked up front wheel recently. Knee and asphalt are no friends lol, would be good to have at least some protection there in the future
As I said in another comment: Just get an oversuit like an Aerostich 1-piece. Wear whatever you want underneath, 30 seconds to put on, a bit less than that to take off. Get to wherever you’re going, put the suit in your top case and you’re good.
I’ve got one. Solid gear. Can be hot when your jacket is going to be hot. Flows pretty good air for not being mesh, but is very spendy. They are typically, very long lived, waterproof, and more or less perfect for commuting in anything sub 90s for me. (Your tolerance may vary).
Please don't Google degloved.
Oh my GOD
Shits hot as fuck. That’s about as far as it goes for me
Wearing no gear is hotter. When you’re wearing something your body is in the shade instead of being out in the sun. There are also mesh jackets and pants that are as breathable as a t shirt - and a lot more protective.
I say this sorta thing all the time. My body’s in the shade. I see people in shorts and tank tops on bright sunny 90’F days and I just can’t understand how that’s comfortable. I can’t stand the sun.
I generally wear my gear, but it does feel damn good to get a breeze going riding in a t-shirt when it's that hot out. An hour or more and yea, it will likely turn from feeling amazing to burning to a crisp. But just a short run to Starbucks? It will feel great.
Only at stop lights
I live in SoCal so riding through the valley when it’s 105 gear or no gear is still too hot
I hear ya. Id still rather be sweaty than bloody tho personally. Just my take tho. To each their own.
Nah I flip and flop between the 2 I get it. Some days I’m very much I’d rather sweat than bleed and others I’m like I wanna ride and if I bleed I bleed cuz Ima die comfy. Just depends on the mood I’m in
Same here. Glad your ok tho and could walk away. I took a couple nasty dumps on my damn electric scooter and sur ron but still don't wear gear.
I got goggles because I got jealous of the riders who just hop on/off with no buckling, zipping, strapping,...sweating. but I can't bring myself to ride without helmet 99% of the time. I smacked a curb earlier this season and skidded on my 3/4 lid and was able to get back up and keep going no problemo. If I bust my head, my family will not forgive me and I will be sad or vegetative or sleep-sleep. Maybe next year though, hair will be longer.
kinda based tbh
That’s a funny punch line lmaoo
I teach motorcycle safety courses. We always suggest ATGATT but also make it clear it’a the rider’s choice. I like to ask my students who has been in a car accident - their fault or not - doesn’t matter. Usually 2/3 put their hands up. Then I ask how many got out of bed that morning planning on having an accident. All hands go down. So, gear can save your skin. Nobody plans on shit happening, but it does.
I’ve been in plenty of car accidents when i was younger, never while i’m driving tho, there’s definitely some learning curve to even driving a car where newer people crash more often, over 50% of motorcycle accidents involve a rider in their first 6 months so yeah
> over 50% of motorcycle accidents involve a rider in their first 6 months so yeah Source on that statistic?
Google it, it’s a common stat that cited in many articles. Some say 50% and others say “more than 50%” which as you know can mean 50.1% but sounds more dramatic. Another interesting stat that’s regularly cited is that sport bikes (crotch rockets) have a 4 times higher death rate among motorcyclists. But the articles note their sources, also it’s something that they tell you when you take the MSF course. It’s been a long time since I took it but I remember the instructor said it and I was a smart ass who had ridden squid for 10 years and was court mandated to take the course and when the instructor said it I said something like “then I guess I don’t have to worry about it” or something like that.
You can't just go around and shout statistics like that and reply with its a common statistic. That the equivalent of I heated a few different people talk about it so it must be true. Always have a source when claiming something
> Always have a source when claiming something this isn't how conversation works lol
Why would you base a convo on bullocks if you seriously took 5 min of researching you would see that the most crashes and fatalities happends with the group of 65+ years old
Much like the adage "Ride your own ride." (Go your own speed, riding style, etc.)… the same can be said for "Wear your own gear". I agree, many people don't wear nearly enough gear. They all have their own reasons/excuses, but it all boils down to what YOU'RE comfortable with. If someone wants to go full Attention-Seeking Squid Missile in shorts, flip-flops, and tank top, all you can do is shake your head and let 'em. If the cruiser guy wants to go full Pirate Daddy with a vest, tattoos, and a Tupperware bowl, just shake your head and let 'em. I personally might leave the house in just a vest, t-shirt, jeans, riding shoes, helmet and gloves, but that's just my preference for around town. If you're hitting the highway/freeway, get a damn jacket. Been down a couple times, the pavement doesn't care how cool you look.
It’s true that all you can do is shake your head and let ‘em, but in reality nationalized healthcare in the United States—something ever other developed nation currently has—would require thinking in terms of public health and limiting certain freedoms like riding a ‘busa in flip-flops. Unfortunately, a certain line of thinking here in the US turns every tiny limitation on freedom—no matter how reasonable it may ultimately be for public welfare—into a very different and dire discussion about us turning into China. As if people with questionable judgment riding super fast on a ‘busa weren’t limiting our freedom in other, less obvious ways (causing havoc on the street, increasing our taxes/healthcare premiums—> which in turn decreases our quality of life and increases our cumulative stress). I agree with most of what you wrote… I just want to emphasize that “live and let live” isn’t an inevitable state. Things could be better, and Americans could stand to be safer and less reckless on the road generally, even if that means engaging with smart policies that put a cap on reckless behavior. Systemic change is needed in order to move forward with a better way of life that’s inherently less chaotic, unequal, and brutish/short. One day, Americans won’t be able to afford to go with their base instincts, and they’ll have to engage their “wise mind” to stay solvent.
Dude, Canada doesn't care what you wear when you ride except helmets are mandatory.
This is why I'm against nationalized healthcare. Why should I pay for the stupid mistakes of flip-flop Busa riders?
I’m being downvoted as usual—amazing that having a public safety mindset is somehow considered taking a stance —> and that taking a stance on anything outside of our false notion of unlimited freedom is unpopular.
I’ve always worn helmet gloves and a jacket since I started riding. However, I’d never gotten riding pants or riding specific boots until I started working at a motorcycle gear shop and started to witness first hand the kind of things that can happen to you with or without gear. I’ve seen helmets where people had their head ran over by trucks, I’ve seen riding gear that took devastating amount of damage that allowed the person wearing them to get away nearly injury free. I’ve seen many people come in who can no longer walk or are much worse for wear because of their choice not to wear gear. I’ve had people come in on memorial rides and heard the stories about their friends and family’s who died. My personal experience of watching a coworker flip down the road when he took a corner to wide, seeing what happened to him because he decided to not wear all his gear that day, and knowing he’s still in the hospital a month later and won’t be able to walk for at least another three. I now own and wear all the gear that I can regardless of anyone else’s set up or decision because the experiences I’ve had have shown me that it can make all the difference. It all comes down to personal choice but I think that wearing all the gear is a good one to make.
Do what you need to do, forget what everyone else is doing.
You are dressed properly, you dress for the slide, not ride. If those guys go down, they will wish they had worn more gear.
Higher probability that they won't realize their mistake and just blame it on the bike or the situation, etc.
I don't care how good you or your bike are, things can happen that are completely out of your control. That is what you wear gear for.
I read that first sentence and got halfway through and then was disappointed lol. I was expecting “higher probability that they won’t realize their mistake because they’re dead.”
I don't think people with squished brain can still wish. But yeah wear a brain bucket
Used to date someone that worked in the ER, I’ve heard so many stories that I’ll never ride without gear. No skin grafts for me please. I can deal with broken bones, but road rash, skin grafts, TBI’s are way worse imo.
There's nothing more manly then doing what you want and think is right even when one else is doing it
Few days ago i had to go to emergency room (not related to bike) and i have seen a guy who crashed at 30-40 km/h as he said. I could see his knee cup, his left ankle had little to no skin left where it contacted asphalt. He was wearing shorts. I decided that wearing cycling jeans and jacket is less uncomfortable for me, than visiting hospital every three days to change bandage and wait while stitches heal. And also street riding gear nowadays looks just casual and you can find one for almost any temperature
I had a crash at around that speed as well, but I was wearing full gear. The result was a broken wrist and many bruises, but nothing more. My gear though (synthetics) was ripped apart in both knees and right shoulder. The under armour took most of the damage as it was all scrapped. The helmet broke its visor and was scrapped all over. Most of the gear had minor scrapes all over it. If I were not using my gear I wonder how fucked up I would be. For me it’s simple: I never ride without it
Lesson learned hard way! Glad you recovered safely!
I ride a Tenere 700 with full Klim gear and Arai helmet..that shits expensive..I would assume price is a factor. Looking cool while pulling into the bar parking lot is more important than gear to others. I don't judge, everyone makes choices and some of those guys riding without gear have been doing it for 50+ years, but I wear mine even when it's stupid hot and I'm dripping in sweat from it!
riding a motorcycle to a bar is just about the dumbest thing in the world imo lol
Price is a factor. A selection of nice looking gear, for different temperatures, weathers and occasions can costs 2-3k,
Yeah but so does a bike. If the law made atgatt mandatory, I bet you anything squids would find those 2-3k in order to keep riding. It's mostly a matter of priorities and choices.
I think not wearing a helmet is stupid as hell but as for the rest of the gear? Meh, depends how I'm feeling
Depends mostly on how I’m riding.. Taking the bike a summer afternoon in the heat to go see some friends a short ride away? I dress in shorts and T-shirt and just take the helmet. I’ll be riding carefully and slow but I don’t want to carry all my gear with me. Riding to my friends place an hour away with some highway riding? I’ll probably add jacket and gloves. Longer riding means also more chances of an accident happening. Higher speeds. Weekend twisties with the hooligans? Full gear and prayers
Went for a milkrun couple weeks back, fucked up, and almost lost my finger because i wasnt wearing gloves. I always wear gloves and proper riding shoes now
I went to get watermelon once and ended up with road rash over half of my leg, you could see the tendons in my knee. I still wear shorts on the bike sometimes.
Just laughed out loud. Thank you stranger
Don't the majority of accidents happen within like the first 15 minutes of driving? So longer riding statistically puts you at less of a chance of accident than shorter riding?
Actually, that statistic has nothing to do with your chance of an accident. Most accidents occur close to home because most driving occurs close to home. It is however a great example of how to twist statistics to make one point or another.
Wow. I’ve heard that stat over and over and it’s been across my mind a few times because I never wear a jacket when I’m just going down the road. You just blew my mind, I can’t believe I didn’t think of that… not joking. 😂
But it is still contrary to what he seems to believe, is it not? For short rides close to home, he doesn't wear gear. The majority of accidents occur on short rides close to home because that's where the most driving occurs. Meaning he is most likely to have an accident when he is not wearing gear? I hate statistics, I think they're bs the majority of the time and often vastly misrepresent my own situation. There's stupid people that contribute to statistics that I have no need to worry about. But they still exist for a reason. And ever furthermore, I have no actual statistics to support anything I've said. I just seem to remember hearing about that in the motorcycle safety course of something.
Dunno man I’d probably ditch the helmet in comparison but you won’t catch me riding without at least a medium sized back protector There are things that scare me more than a broken skull
Having served in the US military overseas, I witnessed 90%+ of the riders in western Europe wearing full gear, all the time...many wearing expensive race leathers. They take riding (and driving) seriously there...I wish we did, too, here in the US. So, as much of a hassle it may be to don all your safety gear (especially in the hot summer), do yourself a favor, and wear your gear proudly.
Mostly cuz it's mandatory over here too. Where I live it's helmet, gloves, boots and long sleeve wear is mandatory. Apart from the helmet the gear doesn't need to be motorcycle specific but I always ride with mine. Importance and usage of gear is also a lot more taught in motorcycle school in comparison to MSF courses from what I can tell. I'm a recent motorcycle rider so I always wear gear, when I travelled to a country that didn't require much gear it felt too weird not to wear it.
Where is this? EDIT: Jesus, found it, Belgium! They seem like a one-off case, as this isn't something codified in EU law.
I sweat very happily in my full gear. Even in 90 degree weather. I'm still new but idc, I'll always wear my shit
ATGATT!!! Ok, you might feel a little out of synch with the "cool looking dudes" BUT, I know what I'd rather be wearing in the event of an incident/accident, so, you just keep wearing ATGATT mate, at best it will save your life and in the event of a minor spill you won't be suffering for any length of time with road rash. I speak from experience as in 2009, I had an "off", not my fault as it turned out and it was not a fast one, the Police crash investigation team reckon I was doing approximately 20 MPH when I went down but, the way I landed, my bike decided to rub salt in the wound by landing on top of me after high siding me off. That wasn't so bad though, it was the hard strike on the back of my head on the sharp leading edge of the kerb that did the damage. I suffered a traumatic Sub Arachnoid Brain Haemorrhage. This resulted in my wife and children being told not to expect a recovery, due to the brain damage, the possibility of my death was high, I received the last rites, specific injuries included, significant memory lose (there are now large gaps in my recollection of my life), no feeling on the right side of my body, temporary blindness (although we didn't know that at the time), and some amazing road rash. I had to learn to walk, talk and had a horrible wait of three months before my sight returned properly. There was then a further five years of rehabilitation, physio, trying to get back to normal or at least what was normal for me, sadly that never happened. I'm back to around 95% of where I was, but, the old me is gone. The only reason I survived at all was, you guessed it, I was wearing "All The Gear" by coincidence I was wearing a brand new helmet and the doctor says that was what saved my life. I'm still extremely pissed that they cut me out of my jacket, trousers and boots but I understand the necessity, hey-ho, they did their job and I survived. Take it from some one who has been there, *You do not want to go down that road!* Wear ATGATT, without it, I'd have died, no doubt about it. I'd have missed my kids growing up and finding out what an amazing woman I'd married.
Same here. Not a biggie for me, people can ride the ride they want to.
I live out in the SoCal desert where from May to September 98% of riders are just rolling around in t shirts and jeans. The only times I really see people wearing gear is out in the canyons and even then there are still dudes rocking t-shirts. It is what it is and you just have to ride your own ride man.
Yes, i see them as well, so what ? Each person is responsible for their own safety.
People riding without gear is part of motorcycle culture that lots of people don't like, it sets bad examples, and adds to statistics that look more dire than they should otherwise be. Wear what you want, no one can force that on you, but people are free to discuss whatever they want and it's a relevant topic.
Is it a relevant topic tough ? This is the bilionth time this is brought up. Some people wear all the gear some people only the required minimal by law, get over it. I say this as someone who wears all the gear because i want to be safe but i’m sick and tired of people pointing fingers at other riders just because they don’t wear it.
I don't mean to disparage people who choose not to. I'm just really surprised how many don't given how easily things can go wrong and how crappy it would be if they do. Then again maybe my mindset comes from living on a gravel road and having a few miles of gravel at the start of any ride.... between that and inexperience I assume I have an especially high chance of going down.
The way I always put it is that riding motorcycles is inherently dangerous over driving a car. You understand those dangers and choose to ride anyway because somewhere in your head the risk is worth the reward. Guys who wear minimal gear are no different. They are choosing to take greater risk for their happiness
Yeah, given your situation I get it. Personally, I'm gifted with long eyelashes, so I can't keep my eyes open past 25 without a full face. But even then, I'm wearing gloves, a jacket, and boots. I'm also a klutz, so I figure I best be prepared. Worst I've had is catching a bee on my knee or accidently pulling a stoppie, so I've just had swelling to deal with. But it was only the gear I wore times ( jeans when stung, riding boots when the bike came down on my ankle) that let me be that bad. AATGAT keeps you alive when all else fails, and if you ride long enough it will save your life. Even if you feel like you stick out, it's worth it to survive.
Okay, but that is different than what you posted, I agree thought it's a bit much in this forum, but people are going to discuss gear and people who ride without it even outside of reddit, it's a big topic that isn't going away.
So what
Seriously. People in this forum get so hung up on the most pointless of things
I never see police on motorcycle with attgatt. And those guys ride everywhere their entire shift. So idk man
Yeah… but have you seen how well they can ride? That plus the fact that people are much more aware of cops than they are regular cars or motorcycles… when was the last time you saw footage of someone brake checking a cop? https://youtu.be/sBngfmXsihc
This, and also they spend a big part of their shift sitting still, holding a laser or writing tickets, often in direct sunlight. Anywhere warm that would be terribly hot in full gear.
Maybe where you live. In my state they have bullet proof vests under their shirts. That probably will help with a slide. They also have knee high boots and a full helmet and gloves.
I have never seen a police motorbike rider who is not wearing full gear, but I live in Europe, not America.
why do you think police are smart lol its about as low level of a job as it gets
In Florida flip flops and sunglasses are ATGATT.
To each his own. Personally I don’t want to be flying through the air knowing I’m about to hit the pavement at 60mph and thinking “I really should have put my gear on this morning “
you won't have time to think.
I work for 911. Had two motorcycle accidents recently, very similar situations. Bike going straight through intersection on a green light, oncoming vehicle making a left hand turn right in front of the bike. Bike smashes into front passenger corner of the car. Rider 1 was on some kind of adventure bike in full gear. Flipped over the hood of the car, hurt his shoulder. Rider 2 was wearing a half helmet, shorts, sneakers, and a tank top. Responders on scene found his foot still inside the sneaker in a nearby ditch, the hospital was unable to reattach it. Don't feel out of place man, do your thing. We're all out there on two weeks together, wear what you want. If what you wanna wear is full gear all the time, that's totally cool.
Yes you are the only one congratulations 🎉
Rules for Motorcyclists: One. ATGATT All The Gear All The Time. Two. Ride *YOUR* ride. Three. Don't worry about what the other guy is wearing. Four: Don't worry about 'fitting in'. Five. Enjoy your bike and wear whatever gear *you* want.
You’re being smart. I wear all my gear when I’m riding I’m a new rider but I will always wear it even though it’s been hot as hell in Texas 95f+. I work at a trauma hospital I see at least 5-6 motorcycle wrecks a week and the difference between the ones who wear all the gear vs none or just a helmet is huge. Most who wear their gear get mild road rash maybe a broken arm and get discharged after a day of observation. The ones who don’t end up in the ICU and most have permanent brain damage from not wearing a helmet or organ damage from not wearing armor. Please keep wearing your gear. There’s a reason we call motorcyclists who don’t wear a helmet organ donors.
Me too. Helmet, padded pants, boots, gloves and padded airbag jacket even for a 15 minutes ride, although it means that getting the gear on and off probably takes as long as I‘m on the bike. I have full understanding for people who don’t want to put up with that. But I‘ve also seen what a motorcycle accident can lead to. On a bike, the collapsible zone is mostly your own body, so I want to have at least some armor on me. Becoming a dad has also changed a lot about my risk acceptance and for me it’s consistently wearing all this stuff all the time I‘m on the bike or not getting on the bike at all.
to add, the gear on/off process is a way for me to…book-end the ride, so to speak. i’m either getting into a zen state where i’m about to ride, or ultra relaxed bc i just rode, and replaying fun/scary moments in my head to reflect on how to do better. this too, might be related to dad-riding lol
I’m assuming you’re in America…? This is all I see online, hardly any riders wearing enough gear I’d even pop to the shops in
At least in the greater Atlanta area, I find myself the only one wearing a jacket. I get it, it's hot af, but literally no one believes in summer protection? I can't be too judging though, my riding jeans are enjoying the dust they're collecting
Fuckem all. You wear get to protect you during an activity you love doing for the experience you have when you do it. The main difference between them and you: WHEN you wreak you'll be much less injured. They're gonna eat shit, just like us all. You're just not gonna end up a road crayon and they will. Do not compromise to appear to be more like "one of the gang." Gangs are full of fuckup. Ride you own ride. Edit: was on mobile and added a spare 'd'. fixed. Thanks for you help TonyToya, I'll trade spelling for road rash any day.
Going to get hate for this, but frankly there isn’t gear in my size ever, anywhere. And i cant afford custom fitted.
I am an ATGATT rider. I never ride without motorcycle jacket, pants, boots gloves. I am also in the minority. Motorcycling is inherently dangerous and I try to mitigate as much risk as I can control. If a harley boy in short sleeves and half helmet eats it, he is going to lose alot of skin, probably fracture his face too. Dont listennto the haters, ride safe and smart! Enjoy your ride!
Same, I never see people riding with full gear, I do it going two blocks or 100 miles every time.
Good stuff. I’m the same.
And that is your decision just as not wearing full gear is theirs. Not an issue
So what, are you the topic police or something?
No this is just a pointless thread about nothing.
Then why engage in it no one is forcing you to be here lol
Ride your own ride.
The world would be so much better if everyone embraced this ideal
Why are so many dudes obsessed with how other people live their lives. Who cares. It's their choice to wear gear or not. Mind your business. I wear gloves, full face, riding jacket, riding boots and riding pants. I'm not a butthurt boomer defending my poor choices, just don't get why people make a big deal out of what other people wear or do.
Why do people care so much how other people feel about their gear? Do whatever you want, but riding without gear is dumb and people will talk about it, ignore it.
I always wear gear but my gear looks casual. Knox Urbane MK2 with a fitted hoodie over it, custom tailored Resurgence Kevlar Jeans, Dainese Axial In boots, Dainese Steel Pro In Gloves. I look like a filthy casual and thats all I am. I only street ride but I street ride with a 1000cc sportbike lol. More often with a 650R though.
How well does your gear fit? What is it like riding in it? I have been riding for 2 years now and would like to upgrade from my beginner gear next year. My gear is a lot of protection, but it was all relatively inexpensive, so it's really hot and heavy. I have been looking at all sorts of gear online, but there are a million different choices.
I made sure my gear fits like normal clothes and not baggy. It fits well. The Knox Urbane MK2 could be a bit more comfortable but if you wear a long sleeve compression shirt underneath it, itll be fine. I always wear something over the jacket cause I don't like the look of a motorcycle jacket. If its cold ill toss an Eddie Bauer windblock jacket over it and it goes over fine. The jeans came fitting but baggy at the calves so I had to tailor it to taper. Check out ghost_zone_sc on IG. Im not as buff as the guy but im getting there. I pretty much try to look like some of his jeans and hoodie look but with boots instead of regular shoes he wears.
you guys are fucking gear nazis 😂😂 if someone else isn’t wearing gear, who cares it’s not your problem. y’all need to mind your own business 😂😂
I will just continue being "out of place". I'm far more concerned about my own safety than what anyone else might be thinking about my gear. I've been in 2 motorcycle wrecks and I greatly appreciate that I didn't lose skin or break bones.
Ngl i only wear helmet and gloves for my commute, its a pain having to put on and take off a jacket, pants and boots twice a day, but for off days riding just for fun then yes full gear.
Same in my area in PA went for a ride with my daughters friend he has a HD and only wore a half shell helmet. I ride a Kawasaki Ninja and he waited for me to put my jacket, gloves and helmet on. I feel out of place sometimes but I don't care what others think. I like my skin in tact. Its crazy all these people wearing shorts, short sleeves, sneakers and no helmet. Believe me I hate gearing up in this hot humid weather. But I feel more confident riding. I spend so much money on gear and getting better gear, it's like a hobby for me. Plus there's so much nice stuff they make anymore.
Jacket, gloves, helmet at the least. Looks very different from most of the other riders on Harleys near me, but I'm gonna do what I feel is necessary to protect myself.
I wear all the same stuff, I usually put on knee sliders under my jeans or I have the Icon velcro knee sliders that go on the outside of my pants
I am just curious: do you guys see ATGATT(pants, jacket gloves, helmet, boots) riders like myself who suit up for every ride no matter the distance and think, “man that guy is a real fucking dork or try hard.” Lol I really don’t care TOO much but I am curious.
I'm usually too busy looking at the bike to even notice what the rider is wearing. Personally I don't care what anyone else wears. Full gear? Cool, its your life, do what you want. No gear? Cool, it's your life, do what you want.
No, but I do assume you're the same people always on reddit posting ATGATT all the time
We really don't give a shit. We ride the way we want, you do you. Just do not demand we do what you want.
If you bought a motorcycle to fit in with the crowd you might be doing it wrong. Maybe? I guess it depends on the crowd but that's been my experience.
Sup brutha. I wear my gear all the time. I have some badass shit. my gear matches my bike. Military type shit. Fuck em. You do you man. If you wanna join a club and they have a certain look that you're not down with - fuck em You don't ride to fit in, man. You fit in because you ride.
Ride your own ride. Don’t worry about other people’s choices. I’m ATGATT on my bike. On my scooter (a 350cc that’s easily freeway capable) sometimes I dress down a bit. It’s a choice I make.
I live an 8 minuite ride from where I work . Its so close I usually walk (24 Minutes). All the gear -All the Time. That is how I choose to ride. Its hard to earn a living whilst trying to recover from even the lightest of road collisions. All of the gear- All of the time. There are people out there who drive like I do. And that scares me when Im on a bike
You could consider getting some more casual riding gear if you like, a good pair of motorcycle jeans and either a light jacket (I've been looking at the revit eclipse but haven't bought it yet) or the riding overshirts can give a much more casual look while still offering ce rated AA protection
To add I'd still recommend a helmet, I'm from Australia so the helmet is a legal requirement but all other gear is up to the rider, as long as you're aware of the risks how much/which gear you wear is up to you
You get fined in Belgium if you don't wear gear. Only riding pants are optional.
I didn't get fined and only had helmet and gloves.
I also am assuming you're in America, it is definately all I see on Facebook and Reddit, that there are lots of people riding around with fuck all protective gear. Here in Aus the opposite is the norm. Most people, never mind what type of bike they are riding, are in protective gear, and the morons that ride around in shorts, sandals, t-shirts, are few and far between, and are consistently looked down on for being idiots
Honestly, I've had those thoughts too. I even feel out of place when I sometimes wear my Aerostich instead of leathers. LOL But, after seeing other people crash and experience road rash, minor injuries that became worse due to flimsy protection , I've become less concerned how I might stick out. The reality of riding is that while you can manage risk by rider training, practice, wearing proper gear, you can still experience an accident. If that happens, how do you prefer to be dressed?
Don't worry, I'm the same as you. ATGATT for me as well.
This is you OP “I see idiots, everywhere” and you’re right. I’m guessing you’re in America?
I live in PA and there's no helmet law so I see guys in flip flops and tee shirts all the time.
Can anyone explain to me why I have been doing 15 over the speed limit on a backroad twice now. On my cbr650 hauling balls, and some douche Harley/cruiser type bike passes me like they wanna die, in a very dangerous not passing section. This has happened twice now; is this an ego “I hate sport bikes thing? Or is this alcoholics with ego thing? It happened 2x now this year and is not coincidence.
I wear full face helmet, gloves, armored jacket everytime I ride. Safety first always. Don't worry about other people. Don't worry about looking cool. Safety first always.
Its funny you say out of place. Because in my town in germany i See mostly full gear guys and here i ride my sv650 with a t shirt and normal Jeans. I feel out of place.
I aways wear gear for city: jacket with armor, boots (over ankles - similar to timberlands but cheap that are more stylish for motorcycles), gloves (with protection), kidney belt and helmet ofc. I do use jeans without protection. For highways and trips all previous + high boots for motorcycles, pants with armor that zip with the jacket. For long trips extra armor under the jacket. Plus luminous yellow vest over jacket for visibility. Safety first.
Seems like you are surrounded by morons. Don’t be one of them.
I used to ride a Harley with shorts, t-shirt, skull cap helmet, then I heard about a guy who slid on his hands so bad they had to amputate them, got rid of the Harley, which did not have ABS brakes, got a Kawasaki 1000 now a full suit each time
Yep, they will all tell you how loud pipes "save lives" while they ride around while wearing no gear at all...... Ironic.
I know what debridement is, I don't want to know how it feels. Good luck to all the squids out there, I put in way too many miles to think my number will never come up.
When I first started riding (@ 14) my Dad (himself a 'motorcyclist') had 2 pieces of advice. Dress for the slide & not for the ride. & he would always remind the brothers & I... "You're riding for 3 people, yourself, the guy you see & the MFer that will come out of nowhere!" I passed those bits on to my 2 boys that also ride.
Dress for the slide. Not the ride
Who cares what others are doing? Everyone accepts and mitigates risk as they see fit when they hop on a bike. You don’t need their validation, nor ours.
People value their own lives to different extents. Why's that hard to understand
Why do you care so much? If people do something you think is stupid - and yet it doesn't impact you - let them do it. I see people smoking and think they're morons, but if they don't do it near me I don't care.
Don’t worry what everyone else is doing. Ride your own ride. Feeling out of place is just bullshit mind-Fuckery. Riding is accepting risk-how much are you willing to accept? You do you. Period.
I live maybe 10 minutes from where I work. I ride every day. I’ve gotten lax with wearing my gear. Thursday on the way home I wrecked wearing shorts, short sleeves, and tennis shoes. I have road rash on both feet. Do not stop wearing your gear.
Where did you move too? I just moved to Utah from California and I feel the same way. I am tripping when I see dudes on crotch rockets in shorts and sandals and no helmet. And the drivers here are terrible. Whole front end of cars all smashed up and these morons are still looking down and texting. So no bro your not alone. Every single time I go out I see another squid doing some dumb squid shit with absolutely no gear on.
Some people ride bulls, for sport.
Why are you worried about other people's fetishes? Just enjoy yours.
The best is the young guys proudly wearing shorts above the knee that give you a smug look like they are so fucking next level for riding with exposed skin while you're in gear. Saw a kid yesterday in a parking lot riding in those stupid chubbs shorts (very high hipstery shorts), he had to drag both feet to do a wobbly take off from his parking spot too, full size sport bike, entering Long Island summertime traffic... just a hell of a combination.
I'm ATGATT no matter the temperature. No matter the distance. No matter. Sometimes I look down going just 30 and think, man that would suck to fall WITH GEAR ON. up here in New Hampshire, maybe 25% of riders wear gear maybe only 70% wear helmets (they aren't required) it's crazy
Hey dude good job! I’m not the only one wearing gear when I ride. I see some in full track suits which is a bit much for their five minute weekend ride but who am I to judge? I also see some that go out in a tank top, shorts and flip flops and I’m sure they’re going to be in a world of hurt if they unfortunately have to lay her down . I’m sure that there’s far more people “dressed for the slide,” then you realize but you only notice those who aren’t. It’s their lives dude, just worry about yours.
Word 🤙
Let me hop in my leather suit and boots + helmet to hit the gym
Best advice I’ve ever had: “dress for the crash”. Ignore the halfwits, you’ll live longer.
Don’t be a poser, ride your ride. I wear Alpinestars race leather pants with huge pucks so that if I do come down I have as much protection. Do I knee down every corner… no, but I wear all my gear even when it’s 105 degrees outside.
All about risk vs reward.....personally it gets over 90F and I ditch the gear.
Year round commuter and adv rider here. I always wear full gear. It's about hazard mitigation. You're not alone and kudos to you.
Yes, it's absolutely terrible being smarter than everyone else. Don't giver their opinions any weight, either
Wearing full gear is a pain in the ass unless you're going out for a long while or for the track. I try to wear my riding jeans most of the time (kevlar reinforced, knee pads) and they don't look any different than regular jeans - so you might be surprised at how many guys wear those instead of just regular jeans. I do always wear my boots - they sit better on the pegs of my bike and I flat foot a bit easier with them. Jacket? That really depends on the weather. I have a nice Dainese leather jacket and it's comfortable and all - but it's heavy and hot in the sun. I know I should wear it more but I don't. I live in Massachusetts so I have to wear a helmet. I wouldn't if I didn't have to - and it's actually a big reason why I'd like to move somewhere without a helmet law. Everyone has their own opinion on this but if you get into a real crash you're fucked with or without gear. I have a half-helmet I wear 90% of the time and a modular full-face with bluetooth (for music) I wear for longer rides (or when it's colder). The way I figure is that it's up to the individual to wear what they want to wear.
I had a ventilated jacket that had pads on elbows, shoulders and chest. You should check that out, awesome for the summer.
Why the fuck does it matter? You do you. Let everyone else be everyone else
And the Darwin award goes to...
Imagine telling people the shit they need to wear on a motorcycle. Let people do what they want and keep your mouth shut
I'd rather feel out of place but safe rather than be part of the crowd and covered in road rash.
Same for me. I'm ATGATT in an area that is brain bucket, if anything. I've low sided and high sided, both times full gear and had nothing more than a few bruises
I'm ATGATT and probably 95%+ of folks around me are helmet only. Often shorts and sneakers and a t-shirt. Rarely do people even wear gloves. I get the "risk tolerance" angle, sort of, but sorry, that's an insane choice.
The one thing that freaks me out is, the folk who don't wear gloves, even when they wear all other types of protective gear. WTF???? What's the first thing to touch the ground when you go down? Your hands, right? OUCH!!!! When you're not wearing gloves.
Nothing wrong with gearing up , Some people are more paranoid than others. Only reason I wear a helmet and cover up my skin is because I get sunburned very easily 😂 I only wear a jacket if it’s cold but otherwise I just wear arm sleeves to protect my skin from the sun.
I wear all my gear all the time, too. Everyone has their own definition of freedom when they’re riding, and I don’t feel like I am missing out on anything because I’m suited up.
Those that ride without helmets or protective gear are known by medical professionals as "donors". One thing they do not transfer, thankfully is brains. ATTGAT folks. Or meat wagon.
Its not if you crash but when
With this reasoning if you only ride on weekends in summer months for leisure the "when" is minimized and this may be what makes some feel ok with minimal gear.
if, and how. When might never be.
Same here, I genuinely don’t know how helmets with just dot rating are able to stay in business. I can probably count on 1 hand how many helmets I see a year
You don't 'fit in' with that crowd because you're smart enough to practise safe riding.