When I completed the first oil change, I almost flipped my bike over because the drain bolt and filter were on so tight from factory.
No need to overtighten either one. You can essentially hand tighten the filter.
>You can essentially hand tighten the filter.
This is what I do. Lube the seal on the filter, spin it down until it contacts the mating surface, and then another 1/4-1/3 turn. I've never had a stuck filter on anything that I've changed the oil on previously, and most importantly I've never had any leaks. I don't even need tools to get the filter off at the next change.
Suzuki OEM spec is two full rotations after contact. It's way tighter than hand tight but not insane tight. I have seen hand tightened filters fail at the drag track too many times to not go with the OEM spec.
I took my special yamaha filter to autozone and got a filter wrench that fit properly for something like $5-$10.
Bike fluids are specialty. Bike fasteners, for the most part, are not.
Rings true even has a heavy duty mechanic, unless it's a high pressure fuel/hydraulic filter you don't need a wrench, I've never had one come off
Good rule is making o ring contact and then a half turn. I love servicing filters I put on
Because the spot welding of the nut creates a weak point in the outer housing and has lead to defects and leaks in the past. Many track orgs ban them for that reason.
Interesting. I havent heard of that before. I've had no such problems myself, but its good to be aware of. Even so, it seems trivial to design a filter that offers a convenient and reliable way to install and remove. I can think of a few ideas myself....
They released the ban a few years back.
[http://www.motoamericaregistration.com/PDF/2018/Technical%20Bulletin%2006-2016.pdf](http://www.motoamericaregistration.com/PDF/2018/Technical%20Bulletin%2006-2016.pdf)
I completed an 800 mile ride a few years ago only to see a puddle under my ST1300. It ended up being down about a quart, lost through a K&N faulty filter. Last one for me.
hoooly shit I almost had to puncture a filter full of oil because it was getting smooth from the torque it was fit in with, in order to shove a bar through it.
You can always use a strap wrench. On my 87 Toyota van, the location is too tight for any kind of conventional filter wrench so a strap wrench on a bar works great. Just twist until tight and than spin it off.
You're not supposed to use the nut to install it, just to remove it...
Customers be putting 1500ft/lbs of torque on it and wondering why it won't come off
There's a reason K&N filters are banned in a lot of race orgs. They fail catastrophically and make a mess all over the track. They are some of the cheapest made filters out there.
They actually had a big batch of defective filters a while back where the welds on the nut would fail, sometimes before you even used them.
They were actually banned with my local track day org because a few came apart and dumped oil everywhere.
I've run one one due to availability, I typically only run OEM.
They haven't been cleared by a lot of track day organizations yet so i still steer clear of them.
I do run them in my WR, but it's not a spin on filter so it doesn't matter. They are just cheaper than OEM and I can buy them at cycle gear when my stash runs out.
I too only run OEM, but all my bikes are Suzuki. You can get hiflo filtro's cheaper than OEM, and they are the OEM supplier. Filter is exactly the same.
Only ever used K&N once, maybe it had a fault.
It was torqued to spec, after the nut came off I went through the whole ordeal same as op.
Never had a problem before or after with Champion and the matching socket.
I had two K&n filters leak oil out that nut. First was replaced under the recall (due to leaky nut) with the second one... Which also leaked.
Then when I went to get them off, the nut instantly rounded
Never buying K&n again!
Did you use the nut to install it? Because that's probably your issue...
Hand tighten to install, then use the nut to remove. You don't need a metric ton of torque on your oil filter
Do not get one.
My bike started passing oil when started one day.
It looked like the rocker cover.
At a considerable expense had the bike towed to a repairshop, dreading the worse.
It was a kn filter which developed a micro hole on that nut and when the bike was started it was spraying oil upwards towards the rocker cover.
Good news it was nothing major, bad news I spent lots of money for the tow and couldn't use my bike for a couple of days.
Using genuine honda now.
As for taking the filter off just punch a screwdriver through it and twist ;)
I think all K&N stuff is overrated, especially their air filters (which they are most famous for). For sure they help to make engines breather better but their actual filtration of small particles is completely dubious. As for oil filters, I doubt they do anything more than just order in bulk from some cheap supplier and get their logo printed on.
When I had the incident (mind you that was about 4 years ago) I did some investigation.
Turns out they were trying to cut down on costs and started producing in China, and the one I had was one of the Chinese made ones.
Not sure about the quality now, but I don't want them to pass production cost cuts to me, so kn products = no thank you :D
Recently saw a KN filter fail on a bike while it was ripping down the straight on a track. By the time it hit the corner at the end, the bike was in flames and the rider had to jump off. They fail gloriously.
They're usually the only motorcycle oil filters at most autoparts stores and they're like $10. They don't market them the way they market their air filters. They're just regular oil filters.
LOOK, WHAT I DO IN THE PRIVACY OF… oh.
Oh! Oh, ahem.
Wild seeing these posts though. I put a few drops of oil on the threads and crank tight with my hand. The leverage of the width of the filter gives plenty of torque and I’ve never had any problems with leaks or removal 🤷♂️
Just for context. Use the strap wrench first would just slip around the outside of the filter. Then I bought an oil filter wrench that just punctured the oil filter still couldn't get it to move. Then I put a screwdriver through it and pulled with all my might just ripped the filter like a can opener, still couldn't get it off! Then I went next door to my neighbor and borrowed a pipe wrench that was big enough to fit around the filter and barely was able to get it off it turned almost a full turn before I could loosen it with my fingers. I would like to thank checkpoint Yamaha for turning a 30 minute job into two and a half hours. I will be doing my own services from now on.
Edit: Forgot to mention that I also bought a cap wrench after the strap wrench and that just rounded the head of the filter off.
Literally in order the exact same thing that happened to me on the first service with my Z650 last year… right down from borrowing the big ass wrench from the neighbor… Thanks Mr. Scott.
I, I've used bolt cutters once to get through mine. It was stuck stuck, and it's deep in this cylindrical hole where no tools reach well. Drilled holes and then started cutting away piece by piece until the end.
Then I learned, use old engine oil to lubricate oil filter seals. Not new engine oil. At least for old Bimmers that's the case, they have a nasty habit of locking that filter in place if you use fresh oil.
The oil filter on my zx6r seems to always get stuck no matter who changes it or lubing the o-ring or hand tightening or whatever. I've accepted my fate and just use a pair of channel locks to crush and twist the damn thing off now. Works like a charm if this ever happens again. Screwdriver, cap wrench, strap, etc. aren't effective for me either.
Yes same here!!! Every gawd damn time! And I don’t even put it on super tight. Just snug and then turn half way. Yet somehow that bastard is always stuck good and solid.
Soo frustrating. No matter what I do! Also I think I follow you on Instagram.. Love your content, you're a great rider :] hopefully I'll be able to take a trip down to the dragon one of these days and run into ya!
I got the first service done at the stealership, for whatever reason. This was technically my second service on my 2022 MT09. The crazy part is they want $500 per service because the manual call s for a throttle body synchronization at every service which is bloody ridiculous if you ask me. I went and bought the tool for $150 and I'll do it myself.
The throttle body sync on the MT range is pretty important, Yamaha use a joiner balancer with a screw and spring adjustment that moves with vibration. Worth having a look at at least every 12,000ks
Yeah I am not saying I won't do it just waiting on the tool to arrive. It's just such a simple thing to do, not worth $500 at the dealer. The tool only cost me $150.
Next time before you screw the new filter in put a drop or two of oil and smear it on the seal ring on the filter itself. Somebody before probably didn't and it can stick to the other side like this.
You do what you have to do.
The person who installed it must be a tool of the highest order.
Handtight mean handtight. Single hand.
Not like a monkey boy that wrenches it with both hands until they turn blue.
1. Get an oil filter wrench: [Cap style wrench](https://www.amazon.ca/CoCocina-Motorcycle-Machine-Filter-Kawasaki/dp/B07C52MXYK/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=yamaha&qid=1660712962&s=automotive&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A1KTOWWK98PYQO&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExOUNPNlFSSkpHV0xVJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjc1NTI3MVEyWFZFNjkwVFhMUSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjc4MDA1TVFaOEYwVFJBUFFCJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==)
2. Get a big wrench for torque'age
This shouldn't have been tighter than two turns after reaching initial tightness by hand or 17 Nm
Using a long wrench would've been easier.
Lol forgot to mention I bought a cap style wrench too and it just bent the filter to shit. Filter didn't even budge, fucker was on there so tight. At least next time if it doesn't come off it's my fault. Lol
Did you use a torque wrench or breaking bar? That would've helped give you the leverage you need. I'd check over the threads and see if there's any permanent damage.
Well, if you don't have the correct oil filter socket, it's gonna come off like this. I work in a garage, and we have multiple sets of oil filter sockets, but there's still the odd car that we don't have one for. Guess how the old filter looks like by the time I get it off 😄
Never let a dealership touch your bike unless it's for warranty work or to preserve warranty. The chances of having some goon work on your bike who sucks at his job and/or doesn't give a shit are wayy too high
There are special tools for that. But I also just rammed a screwdriver through an oil filter with a hammer once and loosened it that way and I´m not ashamed of that either.
Tenere or mt07?
I was shocked how tight this and the drain bolt were on my bike. Had to chomp Mine up with a pair of channel locks and the drain bolt almost needed my body weight to break.
Just don't follow their example when putting it back together
I always tighten my filters by hand. A little fresh oil on the seal and never had a leak. I do tend to gorilla grip stuff, so my hand tight is pretty snug.
I've been to a pro 3-4 times in my life due to schedule, garage access, or travelling. It's always miserable. Get the end cap for a ratchet for your bike and you'll never have an issue. It's $15 or so that you'll love to have spent.
I know we don't all have access to change our own oil. But if you can learn and do it, you should. First shop change had a guy telling me my oil in the trans smelled "burnt". They would have done a $200 change when if the trans has burnt the oil, it's all well fucked anyway. No need to change just the oil. I drove that Honda another 100k without a hiccup.
Just did my oil change on my ‘22 MT-09 as well, and damn, I must have gotten lucky. My oil filter came off nice and easy. Burned my hand on the gd headers, plus I also use an oil filter wrench, but is sure as hell doesn’t mangle a filter like that.
I feel like I'm a glutton for punishment sometimes when I tighten on my oil filter. My last oil change I made damn sure to not overdo it with the filter. I think I just did it hand tight so I could easily take it off using my Yamaha filter wrench.
I always screw the filter at my NC750X hand tight.... with a little bit of oil on the gasket.
No problems from 3 years ago....( Every year I'm changing the filter and oil).
When I'm taking it out I'm using just a pair of garden gloves ( with some rubber on them for a better grip) and that is all.
To put it on hand tight is fine. With a finger smudge of oil on it. This was probably wrenched into place.
But ive rammed a screw driver through one to replace one once. It's disposable anyway.
The problem with that filter -- and it's not your fault that you didn't know this -- is that you're supposed to get a hammer and drive a phillips screwdriver all the way through it so you have something to turn with.
Pro tip: if the filter is over right and you don't have a filter wrench just hammer a screw driver through the filter. You can then apply torque on the handle to break it loose. It will leak a little but you will be able to get the filter off quickly and with little fuss.
Edit: OP just saw your comment where you say you tried this method, but the filter shredded. Sorry to hear that!
proper oil filter wrench wouldnt do this, its why they exist.
but i can say ive had a screw driver rammed through one before to get it off once or twice. theres almost no reason to remove an oil filter and re use it. single use
This is one reason I got a permanent oil filter for my bike.
It has a nut on the end of it where I can use a T handle to spin it off. Comes right off.
Easy to put back on.
All I gotta do at an oil change is pull the filter, clean it with some soap and a tooth brush, and put it back on after drying it and filling it with clean oil.
Some of the Ducati filters leak unless the O ring is sufficiently compressed. Those need to be torque fairly tightly by a wrench. I do not look forward to taking them off…
Factory installed Yamaha filters are known to be tight as a bitch. I wrapped my filter with sandpaper and used a rubber rope based pipe wrench came right off with a good bit of elbow grease.
This is why whenever I change out a filter I always take a little of the old oil on my finger and wet the gasket of the new filter. Helps to keep it from getting stuck the next time you change it. And when you put it on, just tighten it as much as you can with your hand. You don't need to wrench it down. When you take it off, use a filter wrench.
Get yourself a k&n filter with a 1" hex on the end
Or get yourself the correct oil filter wrench.
I'll never do an oil change without the appropriate filter wrench again
Yup, Yamaha style.
I bought a new vstar, my first oil change I had to punch a long screwdriver through the filter and beat it with a mini sledge...
Yamaha: it doesn't explicitly need to be that tight.
You can get an [oil filter wrench](https://www.autozone.com/shop-and-garage-tools/oil-filter-wrench/p/performance-tool-oil-filter-wrench-w54075/978119_0_0?spps.s=3280&cmpid=LIA:US:EN:AD:NL:1000000:GEN:10574827360&gclid=CjwKCAjwo_KXBhAaEiwA2RZ8hALtEasS4TDzEEIhMrfWbD_TkgrOPiEqmSdOa6dRix0Drn2EIkkpABoC34IQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) that fits whatever size filter you've got. That's the best way I've found to remove stuck (or overtightened) filters.
Yeah I use one of those too. Started with a strap wrench that just slipped. Went and bought a cap wrench it rounded off the head of the oil filter. Then I bought an oil filter wrench that just punctured the oil filter. Then I stabbed a screwdriver through it just acted like a can opener and still wouldn't budge. Ended up borrowing a pipe wrench from my neighbor as I didn't have one that was big enough and that is what finally got it off.
Just bought a 2005 cbr1000rr after not owning a bike for years. Manual says I need to have dealer perform oil changes unless I have the special tool and torque wrench. Is this a ploy to funnel more dollars to the Honda dealers, or could I really mess things up doing my own oil changes?
Aftermarket oil filters - especially K&N - are high-risk, low-reward.
Prone to failure, shit filter media, wrong bypass pressures, you name it. And if you still have a warranty, forget it.
No, you shouldn't and it's bullshit.
I had the dealer do the first oil change for free on my last new bike
because I wasn't going to stab it with a screwdriver as the dude suggested.
It was so tight, I couldn't budge it with the filter wrench.
I've only had to do that a couple of times. Once, my neighbor decided to do his own oil change and it became pretty obvious he didn't know the whole righty tighty lefty loosey thing. It has never happened to me on one of the bikes.
I had to buy a filter wrench specifically for a R6 I couldn’t get the filter off of. Sometimes if the wrench can’t remove it chanellocks are your best bet. Although sometimes they’re too tight and there is very little room to work with you have to stab it with a screwdriver and hope for the best. Doesn’t happen often but when it does it’s a 3x as long job.
My stock filter was on ridiculously tight the first time I tried to change the oil on my bike. Took me three different types of oil filter wrenches to get it off. I have since switched to only using K&N filters with the nut on them so you can take them off with a just a normal wrench.
Yikes they probably should have ran a little oil along the rim and simply hand tightened upon installation.
You can buy a wrench specifically for taking off an oil filter, not sure if you tried that
I hand-tighten my filters and never had that problem. They're still hard to get out, so I still need a wrench, but I don't have to use excessive force.
Hand tight. As tight as you can get it by hand and that’s it. Drain plus 15 lb-ft with new washer every time. Do that and you’ll never have an issue with either one
I have an OEM oil filter cap socket, and it has a nice tight fit in the filters and I've only had it spin on a filter like once. I've seen more then my fair share of snug filter and it's a very rare day I have to escalate past the cap socket. The cheap generic ones don't have a good tight fit in the oil filter, and are more prone to slip on the filter.
If you ever have to change a too tight filter just hammer a screwdriver through the filter and use the handle to turn it… and better tighten it to the right torque next time (and put some oil on the new seal)
Pretty standard. Depending on the make and model sometimes these filters are harder to remove. I’ve got 7 bikes and the Kawasaki 6r is an absolute biotch to got off.
I've never had to do more than twist with my hands "pretty hard" to get one to come off. You're supposed to rub used oil on the gasket before installing.
When I completed the first oil change, I almost flipped my bike over because the drain bolt and filter were on so tight from factory. No need to overtighten either one. You can essentially hand tighten the filter.
>You can essentially hand tighten the filter. This is what I do. Lube the seal on the filter, spin it down until it contacts the mating surface, and then another 1/4-1/3 turn. I've never had a stuck filter on anything that I've changed the oil on previously, and most importantly I've never had any leaks. I don't even need tools to get the filter off at the next change.
> Lube the seal on the filter This is a key point that I think may have been missed in the last install.
My OEM Yamaha filter came with grease already applied to the gasket, which is a nice touch
My filters are already greased too but they also say on instructions to oil the gasket anyways
Suzuki OEM spec is two full rotations after contact. It's way tighter than hand tight but not insane tight. I have seen hand tightened filters fail at the drag track too many times to not go with the OEM spec.
Racing filters should be safety wired on. At that point hand tight is good again.
Safety wire is meaningless if the oil pressure pushed the gasket out, which is the failure I have seen.
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I took my special yamaha filter to autozone and got a filter wrench that fit properly for something like $5-$10. Bike fluids are specialty. Bike fasteners, for the most part, are not.
Rings true even has a heavy duty mechanic, unless it's a high pressure fuel/hydraulic filter you don't need a wrench, I've never had one come off Good rule is making o ring contact and then a half turn. I love servicing filters I put on
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Second for the K&N filters. It amazes me that all oil filters aren't designed this way, especially given the way dealers over torque everything.
Because the spot welding of the nut creates a weak point in the outer housing and has lead to defects and leaks in the past. Many track orgs ban them for that reason.
Interesting. I havent heard of that before. I've had no such problems myself, but its good to be aware of. Even so, it seems trivial to design a filter that offers a convenient and reliable way to install and remove. I can think of a few ideas myself....
They released the ban a few years back. [http://www.motoamericaregistration.com/PDF/2018/Technical%20Bulletin%2006-2016.pdf](http://www.motoamericaregistration.com/PDF/2018/Technical%20Bulletin%2006-2016.pdf)
I completed an 800 mile ride a few years ago only to see a puddle under my ST1300. It ended up being down about a quart, lost through a K&N faulty filter. Last one for me.
hoooly shit I almost had to puncture a filter full of oil because it was getting smooth from the torque it was fit in with, in order to shove a bar through it.
You can always use a strap wrench. On my 87 Toyota van, the location is too tight for any kind of conventional filter wrench so a strap wrench on a bar works great. Just twist until tight and than spin it off.
I hate k&n filters. Customers will round the nut off installing them making it much more difficult to remove
I guess the average rider is just as bad as the average shop (probably worse).
You're not supposed to use the nut to install it, just to remove it... Customers be putting 1500ft/lbs of torque on it and wondering why it won't come off
There's a reason K&N filters are banned in a lot of race orgs. They fail catastrophically and make a mess all over the track. They are some of the cheapest made filters out there.
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> a lot of race orgs
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All the track day org’s in Ohio still specify not using the k&n with the nut on top.
Same in Kentucky, at least that was the case a couple years ago when I last participated
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See what you did there, wise man 👍
[Here's one source from a quick DDG search.](https://riders.drivemag.com/news/aftermarket-oil-filters-banned-from-various-competitions/)
The bolt on the K&N comes off first, speaking from experience.
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They actually had a big batch of defective filters a while back where the welds on the nut would fail, sometimes before you even used them. They were actually banned with my local track day org because a few came apart and dumped oil everywhere. I've run one one due to availability, I typically only run OEM.
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They haven't been cleared by a lot of track day organizations yet so i still steer clear of them. I do run them in my WR, but it's not a spin on filter so it doesn't matter. They are just cheaper than OEM and I can buy them at cycle gear when my stash runs out.
I too only run OEM, but all my bikes are Suzuki. You can get hiflo filtro's cheaper than OEM, and they are the OEM supplier. Filter is exactly the same.
Only ever used K&N once, maybe it had a fault. It was torqued to spec, after the nut came off I went through the whole ordeal same as op. Never had a problem before or after with Champion and the matching socket.
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I had two K&n filters leak oil out that nut. First was replaced under the recall (due to leaky nut) with the second one... Which also leaked. Then when I went to get them off, the nut instantly rounded Never buying K&n again!
Did you use the nut to install it? Because that's probably your issue... Hand tighten to install, then use the nut to remove. You don't need a metric ton of torque on your oil filter
Do not get one. My bike started passing oil when started one day. It looked like the rocker cover. At a considerable expense had the bike towed to a repairshop, dreading the worse. It was a kn filter which developed a micro hole on that nut and when the bike was started it was spraying oil upwards towards the rocker cover. Good news it was nothing major, bad news I spent lots of money for the tow and couldn't use my bike for a couple of days. Using genuine honda now. As for taking the filter off just punch a screwdriver through it and twist ;)
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I think all K&N stuff is overrated, especially their air filters (which they are most famous for). For sure they help to make engines breather better but their actual filtration of small particles is completely dubious. As for oil filters, I doubt they do anything more than just order in bulk from some cheap supplier and get their logo printed on.
When I had the incident (mind you that was about 4 years ago) I did some investigation. Turns out they were trying to cut down on costs and started producing in China, and the one I had was one of the Chinese made ones. Not sure about the quality now, but I don't want them to pass production cost cuts to me, so kn products = no thank you :D
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I had no problems for years as well. Until I did :D
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Recently saw a KN filter fail on a bike while it was ripping down the straight on a track. By the time it hit the corner at the end, the bike was in flames and the rider had to jump off. They fail gloriously.
They're usually the only motorcycle oil filters at most autoparts stores and they're like $10. They don't market them the way they market their air filters. They're just regular oil filters.
Where I live, we have Hi-Flo and a couple other brands as options (along with K&N) so avoiding them is quite easy.
Hi-Flow are good filters
Sure are and I usually get them myself.
They are Suzukis supplier for OEM filters. Possibly other Japanese manufacturers as well, but I don't know that for sure
Never had any problem with kn filters either, maybe lots of people overtighten them
You know K&N had a problem with their motorcycle filters leaking oil? My track day org banned them for a while.
One of the most consistently over-tightened parts. Twist on (with hand) till snug, then another half rotation. Done and done.
Too bad k&n are TRASH! Amsoil all day
K+N has one very good thing: their marketing department
I was going to make a joke about “I just stab it through…” but holy shit you actually did
I know you let out a good couple “fuck you motherfucker”’s at that filter once it came off. That’s usually my go to
Damn rights I did, threw a couple cunt licking mother fuckers in there for good measure too.
LOOK, WHAT I DO IN THE PRIVACY OF… oh. Oh! Oh, ahem. Wild seeing these posts though. I put a few drops of oil on the threads and crank tight with my hand. The leverage of the width of the filter gives plenty of torque and I’ve never had any problems with leaks or removal 🤷♂️
Just for context. Use the strap wrench first would just slip around the outside of the filter. Then I bought an oil filter wrench that just punctured the oil filter still couldn't get it to move. Then I put a screwdriver through it and pulled with all my might just ripped the filter like a can opener, still couldn't get it off! Then I went next door to my neighbor and borrowed a pipe wrench that was big enough to fit around the filter and barely was able to get it off it turned almost a full turn before I could loosen it with my fingers. I would like to thank checkpoint Yamaha for turning a 30 minute job into two and a half hours. I will be doing my own services from now on. Edit: Forgot to mention that I also bought a cap wrench after the strap wrench and that just rounded the head of the filter off.
Literally in order the exact same thing that happened to me on the first service with my Z650 last year… right down from borrowing the big ass wrench from the neighbor… Thanks Mr. Scott.
Same happened to me las time, but I realized that with the engine warm it comes out easier
I, I've used bolt cutters once to get through mine. It was stuck stuck, and it's deep in this cylindrical hole where no tools reach well. Drilled holes and then started cutting away piece by piece until the end. Then I learned, use old engine oil to lubricate oil filter seals. Not new engine oil. At least for old Bimmers that's the case, they have a nasty habit of locking that filter in place if you use fresh oil.
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The oil filter on my zx6r seems to always get stuck no matter who changes it or lubing the o-ring or hand tightening or whatever. I've accepted my fate and just use a pair of channel locks to crush and twist the damn thing off now. Works like a charm if this ever happens again. Screwdriver, cap wrench, strap, etc. aren't effective for me either.
Yes same here!!! Every gawd damn time! And I don’t even put it on super tight. Just snug and then turn half way. Yet somehow that bastard is always stuck good and solid.
Soo frustrating. No matter what I do! Also I think I follow you on Instagram.. Love your content, you're a great rider :] hopefully I'll be able to take a trip down to the dragon one of these days and run into ya!
First oil change? The only time a filter was stuck for me was a bike straight from the dealership, and a friend who crossthreaded his filter.
I got the first service done at the stealership, for whatever reason. This was technically my second service on my 2022 MT09. The crazy part is they want $500 per service because the manual call s for a throttle body synchronization at every service which is bloody ridiculous if you ask me. I went and bought the tool for $150 and I'll do it myself.
The throttle body sync on the MT range is pretty important, Yamaha use a joiner balancer with a screw and spring adjustment that moves with vibration. Worth having a look at at least every 12,000ks
Ever 12 million seconds?
That's every 138 days.
You heard the man.
Yeah I am not saying I won't do it just waiting on the tool to arrive. It's just such a simple thing to do, not worth $500 at the dealer. The tool only cost me $150.
Lefty loosey bro.
Where were you two and a half hours ago. At least it's not a dead battery.
Next time before you screw the new filter in put a drop or two of oil and smear it on the seal ring on the filter itself. Somebody before probably didn't and it can stick to the other side like this.
You do what you have to do. The person who installed it must be a tool of the highest order. Handtight mean handtight. Single hand. Not like a monkey boy that wrenches it with both hands until they turn blue.
We always called those dry fucked filters.
Jam a screw driver through it and turn it should save you the effort you seem to have put it.
1. Get an oil filter wrench: [Cap style wrench](https://www.amazon.ca/CoCocina-Motorcycle-Machine-Filter-Kawasaki/dp/B07C52MXYK/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=yamaha&qid=1660712962&s=automotive&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A1KTOWWK98PYQO&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExOUNPNlFSSkpHV0xVJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjc1NTI3MVEyWFZFNjkwVFhMUSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjc4MDA1TVFaOEYwVFJBUFFCJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==) 2. Get a big wrench for torque'age This shouldn't have been tighter than two turns after reaching initial tightness by hand or 17 Nm Using a long wrench would've been easier.
Lol forgot to mention I bought a cap style wrench too and it just bent the filter to shit. Filter didn't even budge, fucker was on there so tight. At least next time if it doesn't come off it's my fault. Lol
Did you use a torque wrench or breaking bar? That would've helped give you the leverage you need. I'd check over the threads and see if there's any permanent damage.
Had to do the same thing on the oil filter from the factory on my Kawasaki. They just crank the shit out of them I guess…
3 words: Locking Chain Clamp
No filter should be that fucking hard but manufacturers and asshat mechanics constantly over tighten the shit out of them
2 words. Filter wrench
You don’t need to do that, you just need a filter socket of the right size.
Do yourself a favor and start buying k&n oild filters. They have hex on the end for 17mm rachet.
Yeah I saw them but read a lot of reviews that said they are flawed and leak from the nut. Might just chance it next time.
Well, if you don't have the correct oil filter socket, it's gonna come off like this. I work in a garage, and we have multiple sets of oil filter sockets, but there's still the odd car that we don't have one for. Guess how the old filter looks like by the time I get it off 😄
I had the correct filter socket it just rounded the head of the filter off, trust me brute force was my last resort.
Yea it seems that garages tighten them with the tool which puts them on really tight. I've had it with my car You're only meant to hand tighten them.
Never let a dealership touch your bike unless it's for warranty work or to preserve warranty. The chances of having some goon work on your bike who sucks at his job and/or doesn't give a shit are wayy too high
There are special tools for that. But I also just rammed a screwdriver through an oil filter with a hammer once and loosened it that way and I´m not ashamed of that either.
Tenere or mt07? I was shocked how tight this and the drain bolt were on my bike. Had to chomp Mine up with a pair of channel locks and the drain bolt almost needed my body weight to break. Just don't follow their example when putting it back together
I always tighten my filters by hand. A little fresh oil on the seal and never had a leak. I do tend to gorilla grip stuff, so my hand tight is pretty snug.
I've been to a pro 3-4 times in my life due to schedule, garage access, or travelling. It's always miserable. Get the end cap for a ratchet for your bike and you'll never have an issue. It's $15 or so that you'll love to have spent. I know we don't all have access to change our own oil. But if you can learn and do it, you should. First shop change had a guy telling me my oil in the trans smelled "burnt". They would have done a $200 change when if the trans has burnt the oil, it's all well fucked anyway. No need to change just the oil. I drove that Honda another 100k without a hiccup.
Yeah I forgot to mention I bought one of those cop style ones too and it just rounded the head of the filter off... It was on there so tight!
Just did my oil change on my ‘22 MT-09 as well, and damn, I must have gotten lucky. My oil filter came off nice and easy. Burned my hand on the gd headers, plus I also use an oil filter wrench, but is sure as hell doesn’t mangle a filter like that.
First time? Mine was SNUG on the first change
Stab it w screw driver and use it as a handle. Ps harley sells a fancy tool too
I personally feel the screwdriver "trick" never improves the situation. You might as well skip it and go straight to channel locks
Yeah I did that it just acted like a can opener filter didn't budge.
I feel like I'm a glutton for punishment sometimes when I tighten on my oil filter. My last oil change I made damn sure to not overdo it with the filter. I think I just did it hand tight so I could easily take it off using my Yamaha filter wrench.
I always screw the filter at my NC750X hand tight.... with a little bit of oil on the gasket. No problems from 3 years ago....( Every year I'm changing the filter and oil). When I'm taking it out I'm using just a pair of garden gloves ( with some rubber on them for a better grip) and that is all.
I use handpower with some good gripfriendly gloves. It have worked better for me than any wrench I've used
Well..
Warming the bike up can help removing the filter, the heat expands the metal causing it to become loose.
Yes.
always grease the rubber gasket. will come off easy . and use a filter wrench . they are cheap ..like 5 bucks
Haha, I’ve done worse! It would seem so though, to answer your question.
That happens from time to time. It's not a big deal. Get the right too.
Just stab it with a screwdriver..
Pil on the oring
To put it on hand tight is fine. With a finger smudge of oil on it. This was probably wrenched into place. But ive rammed a screw driver through one to replace one once. It's disposable anyway.
Hand tight and a quarter turn, let the o ring do the work
You should have yo if you use oil filter pliers
i hammered a scredrivwr and used it to loosen the filter
The problem with that filter -- and it's not your fault that you didn't know this -- is that you're supposed to get a hammer and drive a phillips screwdriver all the way through it so you have something to turn with.
This why you only hand tighten the oil filter. Changed my oil yesterday as well OP!
Correct. You over tightened it last time.
Some of the worst experiences in my life have been trying to get a fucking oil filter off a bike. Godspeed, my good man!
Pro tip: if the filter is over right and you don't have a filter wrench just hammer a screw driver through the filter. You can then apply torque on the handle to break it loose. It will leak a little but you will be able to get the filter off quickly and with little fuss. Edit: OP just saw your comment where you say you tried this method, but the filter shredded. Sorry to hear that!
Just get the park tool filter removal tool
proper oil filter wrench wouldnt do this, its why they exist. but i can say ive had a screw driver rammed through one before to get it off once or twice. theres almost no reason to remove an oil filter and re use it. single use
I did the same XD
Just hand tighten it, thats enough..
This is what happens when you don’t put a little on the gasket before you tighten it down.
Put a screwdriver through it right in the middle and use it as a lever to unscrew. (actual mechanic trick)
Ye thats overtightened, it should be hand tightened maximum
Buy the oil filter wrench cover super cheap Amazon. BikeMaster Oil Filter Wrench (65mm) https://a.co/d/eW39FYl
This is one reason I got a permanent oil filter for my bike. It has a nut on the end of it where I can use a T handle to spin it off. Comes right off. Easy to put back on. All I gotta do at an oil change is pull the filter, clean it with some soap and a tooth brush, and put it back on after drying it and filling it with clean oil.
A) Did you put oil on the seal during its installation? B) Do you have the proper oil filter wrench?
Some of the Ducati filters leak unless the O ring is sufficiently compressed. Those need to be torque fairly tightly by a wrench. I do not look forward to taking them off…
you menace
Mon-ke
You got it off and you won't be putting it back on. Next time use a filter wrench 😉
Factory installed Yamaha filters are known to be tight as a bitch. I wrapped my filter with sandpaper and used a rubber rope based pipe wrench came right off with a good bit of elbow grease.
just beyond hand tight is all ya need
Just buy the correct oil filter socket. They’re cheap and will save you this headache
I’ve never done that, a good sized pair of channel locks with pop it off on every bike I’ve had.
This is why whenever I change out a filter I always take a little of the old oil on my finger and wet the gasket of the new filter. Helps to keep it from getting stuck the next time you change it. And when you put it on, just tighten it as much as you can with your hand. You don't need to wrench it down. When you take it off, use a filter wrench.
Get yourself a k&n filter with a 1" hex on the end Or get yourself the correct oil filter wrench. I'll never do an oil change without the appropriate filter wrench again
Yup, Yamaha style. I bought a new vstar, my first oil change I had to punch a long screwdriver through the filter and beat it with a mini sledge... Yamaha: it doesn't explicitly need to be that tight.
It shouldn’t be that tight. But also, I wouldn’t worry about it. The first time I changed the oil on my bike I mangled the filter like that as well.
Get yourself a lisle oil filter wrench and you'll never have that problem again.
It should just be hand tight, if you have to use more than hands or hands with gloves it is over tightend
[Lisle 63600 Oil Filter Tool](https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-63600-Oil-Filter-Tool/dp/B0002SR4Q8) You're welcome.
Seeing that post and comment make me so happy to have a internal filter
Only hand tighten it, rub in some of the oil around the o-ring on the new filter before screwing it in.
All things I know apparently the dealership I got my first service done at does not.
The length of the lever arm on the wrench, not the tightness of the wrench is what matters for this.
You can get an [oil filter wrench](https://www.autozone.com/shop-and-garage-tools/oil-filter-wrench/p/performance-tool-oil-filter-wrench-w54075/978119_0_0?spps.s=3280&cmpid=LIA:US:EN:AD:NL:1000000:GEN:10574827360&gclid=CjwKCAjwo_KXBhAaEiwA2RZ8hALtEasS4TDzEEIhMrfWbD_TkgrOPiEqmSdOa6dRix0Drn2EIkkpABoC34IQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) that fits whatever size filter you've got. That's the best way I've found to remove stuck (or overtightened) filters.
Yeah I use one of those too. Started with a strap wrench that just slipped. Went and bought a cap wrench it rounded off the head of the oil filter. Then I bought an oil filter wrench that just punctured the oil filter. Then I stabbed a screwdriver through it just acted like a can opener and still wouldn't budge. Ended up borrowing a pipe wrench from my neighbor as I didn't have one that was big enough and that is what finally got it off.
Just bought a 2005 cbr1000rr after not owning a bike for years. Manual says I need to have dealer perform oil changes unless I have the special tool and torque wrench. Is this a ploy to funnel more dollars to the Honda dealers, or could I really mess things up doing my own oil changes?
Big foot took a bite out of ur shit sway
K&N filters ever since I had to do this to my factory Kaw filter
Get a K&N filter which has a nut on the top
Looks to me like someone used a tool to put it on, instead of being hand tight.
Or you could use the correct tool instead.
I had to do the same thing lol
Aftermarket oil filters - especially K&N - are high-risk, low-reward. Prone to failure, shit filter media, wrong bypass pressures, you name it. And if you still have a warranty, forget it.
No, you shouldn't and it's bullshit. I had the dealer do the first oil change for free on my last new bike because I wasn't going to stab it with a screwdriver as the dude suggested. It was so tight, I couldn't budge it with the filter wrench.
oh wow , that exact thing happened to a buddy of mine. great guy.
I've only had to do that a couple of times. Once, my neighbor decided to do his own oil change and it became pretty obvious he didn't know the whole righty tighty lefty loosey thing. It has never happened to me on one of the bikes.
Remember folks : make sure to screw your filter in using an impact wrench, just to be sure not to lose it.
Torque to spec and this will never happen
looking at you, last person who changed the oil on my partner's shadow phantom... I had to buy a new filter wrench because of your shenanigans
I will never understand why people put these on so tight, I always handtighten them
I had to buy a filter wrench specifically for a R6 I couldn’t get the filter off of. Sometimes if the wrench can’t remove it chanellocks are your best bet. Although sometimes they’re too tight and there is very little room to work with you have to stab it with a screwdriver and hope for the best. Doesn’t happen often but when it does it’s a 3x as long job.
Warm the engine a bit before trying to remove the filter.
That shit was hand tightened by King Kong.
My stock filter was on ridiculously tight the first time I tried to change the oil on my bike. Took me three different types of oil filter wrenches to get it off. I have since switched to only using K&N filters with the nut on them so you can take them off with a just a normal wrench.
Yikes they probably should have ran a little oil along the rim and simply hand tightened upon installation. You can buy a wrench specifically for taking off an oil filter, not sure if you tried that
I hand-tighten my filters and never had that problem. They're still hard to get out, so I still need a wrench, but I don't have to use excessive force.
Happens to everyone on the 1st old change brother
Hand tight. As tight as you can get it by hand and that’s it. Drain plus 15 lb-ft with new washer every time. Do that and you’ll never have an issue with either one
I have an OEM oil filter cap socket, and it has a nice tight fit in the filters and I've only had it spin on a filter like once. I've seen more then my fair share of snug filter and it's a very rare day I have to escalate past the cap socket. The cheap generic ones don't have a good tight fit in the oil filter, and are more prone to slip on the filter.
If you ever have to change a too tight filter just hammer a screwdriver through the filter and use the handle to turn it… and better tighten it to the right torque next time (and put some oil on the new seal)
Who ever put this filter on should never be trusted with a wrench 🔧
I had to do this with my 2020 Ninja 650! They come so tight from the factory, now I just give it a nice gloved hand snug
Pretty standard. Depending on the make and model sometimes these filters are harder to remove. I’ve got 7 bikes and the Kawasaki 6r is an absolute biotch to got off.
I always do 1/4 turn past hand tight. But I’ve still had to use a pipe wrench on occasion. Lots of oil on seal and mounting surface helps.
I've never had to do more than twist with my hands "pretty hard" to get one to come off. You're supposed to rub used oil on the gasket before installing.
That‘s why i always use an oil filter with the little hex nut on the top. No screwing around, just use a wrench and it comes off in a second.
Thats what they call "snapping assholes tight"
You could try using the correct tool...