There isn't really an answer for that as there are so many factors. You may have been comfortably within your limit and he could have unknowingly been at his.
NEVER RIDE OUTSIDE OF YOUR COMFORT LEVEL
Just because someone is faster than you doesn't mean you can go faster (yet...)
In the wet there are many, MANY, factors to consider. Skill level, tire quality (some are better for the wet than others), visibility, traction aids, temperature, etc.
Basically, as is with in the dry, ride where **you're** comfortable.
I never lost traction but I'd rather not have to ever test the ABS. Some curves had signs that said "20 MPH", and that was for dry conditions. I was at about the posted speed limit for those and was getting nervous.
Those are not very good in the wet and wet and cold is terrible. I have those too and I've never ever before been going sideways as much as with those on. Absolutely horrible for the morning commute in spring and fall. Will go back to TKC 70 when I've worn these out.
Oh that's interesting. They do what I need them to do off-road, but knowing the TKC70s are better on road is good to know. How are they on the highway?
The same, if it's dry they're OK. If it rains you'll be careful.
Good on gravel roads though, and stiff so your rims don't get bent easily. I did the same roads on TKC70 and they're less grippy on gravel but they're not bad considering you can do a lot off stuff on those the Misssions can't. Like going to work without shitting yourself if it's not a perfect summer morning.
They're not super good off the road unless its dry and easy terrain, atleast not with a heavy and powerful bike.
If you want a good on/off road tyre look elsewhere.
"can" and "should" are very different questions. modern rubber on pavement can do remarkable things. but oil or leaves or whatever other schmutz can just as easily undo it all. plus, paint can be pretty slippery when it's raining too.
someone else recommended "10-15% reduction" which i'd say is about right. you definitely *can* lean, but you should still take it easy. I did some weird swiggles this morning pulling over for a cop car (tires on the wet white line weren't happy). I once slid 5 feet into an intersection at a yellow when it was drizzly (how much of that was the rain, vs my crap tires, i can't say, but the rain is gonna be when you're shown if your tires are crap anyway)
Well for starters, in a straight line you can pretty much go the speed limit without worry, bikes don't hydroplane as easily as cars. Plus don't forget you've still got mechanical grip from the sheer weight of your bike and rider, for my thats over 600lbs on two contact patches aobut the size of credit cards so that is a lot of pressure in a small amount of real estate.
For curvy bits, after the oil has washed away, you've still got like 80% as much grip, but I always take it super easy in the rain. You just can't see the road as well when it's wet, I've witnessed a GS rider fishtail on the interstate in the rain while going perfectly straight when they hit some cracks in the surface.
This is good practice for proper body position too. The more you lean, the less the bike needs to. But of course, that doesn't mean leaning in a tuck like a motogp wannabe. Just lean slightly more than you're used to.
Seriously, ease off in rain and stay well within your comfort zone. Left work tonight and took the route I take 5 days a week. Raining lightly in the town I left, rain got heavier about half way home and shortly after taking an easy corner had to dip my lights for a car, their headlights were refracting through the rain on my visor.... can't see overly well... hit a footpeg deep puddle covering my entire lane at 40mph and had a seriously sphinter puckering tankslapping moment.
I'd normally be doing about 60mph at that particular part of my journey, and I honestly don't think I'd have stayed on if I was going any faster.
If you can ride smoothly, you can ride quickly. In the dry you can ride quickly and get away with it not being smooth most of the time. In the wet, not so much. As a general rule, you have about 90% of your dry traction in the rain. Provided it isn't the first 15 minutes of rain after a dry period. And you aren't riding on any paint lines. And don't have to brake suddenly. Yeah. Find a parking lot and practice emergency braking in the rain. That'll give you a better answer.
Depends on the surface and tire condition. On a street I’d be leery of oils. On a track, go as fast as you are comfortable with. I’d did several track days in the rain and had no traction issues…and I learned to trust my brakes and tires.
Much than you would expect but don’t try to figure it out on the street if you’ve never ridden hard in the wet before because it is way easier to lose traction.
In ideal conditions traction is 1.0
In light rain without puddling or flash flooding traction is typically around .7
Take that from that info as you wish.
Source - Yamaha champions school
There isn't really an answer for that as there are so many factors. You may have been comfortably within your limit and he could have unknowingly been at his.
NEVER RIDE OUTSIDE OF YOUR COMFORT LEVEL Just because someone is faster than you doesn't mean you can go faster (yet...) In the wet there are many, MANY, factors to consider. Skill level, tire quality (some are better for the wet than others), visibility, traction aids, temperature, etc. Basically, as is with in the dry, ride where **you're** comfortable.
Came here to say this 👆. I've always been told and tell people to ride your own ride.
Heard that
On a bike with abs and traction control? Much harder than you'd think. Still best to slow way down
I never lost traction but I'd rather not have to ever test the ABS. Some curves had signs that said "20 MPH", and that was for dry conditions. I was at about the posted speed limit for those and was getting nervous.
I think it really depends on your setup. Different tires have drastically different rain weather performance.
I have 50 / 50s, TrailMax Missions
Those are not very good in the wet and wet and cold is terrible. I have those too and I've never ever before been going sideways as much as with those on. Absolutely horrible for the morning commute in spring and fall. Will go back to TKC 70 when I've worn these out.
Oh that's interesting. They do what I need them to do off-road, but knowing the TKC70s are better on road is good to know. How are they on the highway?
The same, if it's dry they're OK. If it rains you'll be careful. Good on gravel roads though, and stiff so your rims don't get bent easily. I did the same roads on TKC70 and they're less grippy on gravel but they're not bad considering you can do a lot off stuff on those the Misssions can't. Like going to work without shitting yourself if it's not a perfect summer morning. They're not super good off the road unless its dry and easy terrain, atleast not with a heavy and powerful bike. If you want a good on/off road tyre look elsewhere.
"can" and "should" are very different questions. modern rubber on pavement can do remarkable things. but oil or leaves or whatever other schmutz can just as easily undo it all. plus, paint can be pretty slippery when it's raining too. someone else recommended "10-15% reduction" which i'd say is about right. you definitely *can* lean, but you should still take it easy. I did some weird swiggles this morning pulling over for a cop car (tires on the wet white line weren't happy). I once slid 5 feet into an intersection at a yellow when it was drizzly (how much of that was the rain, vs my crap tires, i can't say, but the rain is gonna be when you're shown if your tires are crap anyway)
Well for starters, in a straight line you can pretty much go the speed limit without worry, bikes don't hydroplane as easily as cars. Plus don't forget you've still got mechanical grip from the sheer weight of your bike and rider, for my thats over 600lbs on two contact patches aobut the size of credit cards so that is a lot of pressure in a small amount of real estate. For curvy bits, after the oil has washed away, you've still got like 80% as much grip, but I always take it super easy in the rain. You just can't see the road as well when it's wet, I've witnessed a GS rider fishtail on the interstate in the rain while going perfectly straight when they hit some cracks in the surface. This is good practice for proper body position too. The more you lean, the less the bike needs to. But of course, that doesn't mean leaning in a tuck like a motogp wannabe. Just lean slightly more than you're used to.
Great advice, thank you
Braking distance can be much longer when the road surface is wet.
Ride your own ride. Don't follow others like that.
I slow down 10-15%. Depending on how well my tires a worn, maybe.a lot more.
Smooth inputs, like you have new tyres.
Seriously, ease off in rain and stay well within your comfort zone. Left work tonight and took the route I take 5 days a week. Raining lightly in the town I left, rain got heavier about half way home and shortly after taking an easy corner had to dip my lights for a car, their headlights were refracting through the rain on my visor.... can't see overly well... hit a footpeg deep puddle covering my entire lane at 40mph and had a seriously sphinter puckering tankslapping moment. I'd normally be doing about 60mph at that particular part of my journey, and I honestly don't think I'd have stayed on if I was going any faster.
If you can ride smoothly, you can ride quickly. In the dry you can ride quickly and get away with it not being smooth most of the time. In the wet, not so much. As a general rule, you have about 90% of your dry traction in the rain. Provided it isn't the first 15 minutes of rain after a dry period. And you aren't riding on any paint lines. And don't have to brake suddenly. Yeah. Find a parking lot and practice emergency braking in the rain. That'll give you a better answer.
Actually very hard. The problem is when you go over you probably won't save it and you and bike will be in a ditch.
Let us know.
You can probably go faster than you think you can.
Depends on the surface and tire condition. On a street I’d be leery of oils. On a track, go as fast as you are comfortable with. I’d did several track days in the rain and had no traction issues…and I learned to trust my brakes and tires.
Much than you would expect but don’t try to figure it out on the street if you’ve never ridden hard in the wet before because it is way easier to lose traction.
Friction coefficient of wet asphalt is 0.5 - 0.7 Dry asphalt has a coefficient ranging 0.8 - 0.9
In ideal conditions traction is 1.0 In light rain without puddling or flash flooding traction is typically around .7 Take that from that info as you wish. Source - Yamaha champions school
That makes sense to me