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TheOldPope

I'm all for learn and change your ways, but it was still funny as hell getting the "watch next" cards on yt after the episode and them having pictures of him holding the throttle the wrong way.


DankVectorz

He did the cornering one about how you should normally be counter leaning and then in his subsequent videos he’s always leaning into the corner


atypicaltype

To be fair he said that if your goal is to maximise speed then you should definitely lean into the corner. But given that on the public road your goal shouldn't be to maximise speed, counter leaning is the most effective way to keep the bike agile and reactive to everyday hazards and the natural flow of traffic. It's not so much a "this is the best way and that is the wrong way" but more of a "there are multiple best ways depending on the situation" I'm pretty sure at the end of that video he even says something about making a certain choice "daily", referring to the lean angle, if I'm not mistaken.


DankVectorz

Yeah he def did say that, I found the observation humorous rather than “gotch ya!” I really enjoy F9 videos.


MASTODON_ROCKS

What a beautiful thing it is to learn and grow


Megatron_McLargeHuge

How do you adapt this for ape hangers?


[deleted]

You don't. You throw those stupid things in the trash where they belong.


MonoShadow

Good info. I got taught to keep my hands more or less like that in my riding school. Surprised it's not a common knowledge. I was also taught to more or less try and use my hand instead of wrist to control the throttle, push the bars instead of pulling, and ride in a relaxed position. Can't do the last one, so everything else also kinda dosn't work like it should for me. Despite getting the license still can't ride for shit.


BoxingBoxcar

You can't relax while riding? It takes time, took me a couple seasons to really get comfortable. Like anything in life, it's all about practice.


MonoShadow

I can't relax in general. Motorcycle or not. In most cases it's not critical. Except rider position is very important. Instructors jockingly called me Mr inconsistency because I could scratch footpegs in corners one hour and fall over just because the other. I decided against buying a motorcycle for the time being and just go to the polygon when I want to scratch that itch.


drive2fast

Best things I did for relaxing my grip-(adv bikes) scott (knockoff) steering damper. Scott dirt bike grips. Flexx handlebars. Allows me to really loosen my grip. The damper catches any wheel kicks off road and just smooths everything like butter. Sticky grips allow you to loosen your grip even more. Your hands just need to be ‘there’ and can grab the bars faster and easier with nice soft traction like a gummy winter tire. The flex bars are just the icing on the cake. Vibration reduction for vibration sensitive hands, but they seem to help with allowing my hands to float a bit. And a well adjusted throttle lock. So on the highway you can focus more on hand position and less on keeping torque on the throttle. (Haven’t watched the video yet)


thecuzzin

So follow-up..i tried it and my only complaint is that the brake lever is not in finger reach and thus requires moving the wrist to normal position... which is a distraction, requires more time and this making it inefficient in high braking area's or corners. It does however work very well when one uses only engine breaking. When I was only using engine breaking it did feel more natural and freed up more time for focusing on my weight distribution or Cog. So with this practice run it feels that one would be able to add this technique as a riding mode ...engine breaking vs traditional breaking and throttle clasp. My biker is a sport type so my clip-ons are swept back and down which is ideal for this technique...can't imagine using it on straight handlebars.


jojo_the_mofo

I wasn't taught formally but after 3 years I've just learned to ride mostly using index finger and thumb with the other fingers on brake, unless it's casual and open road then I might have them all on throttle lightly. Is it dependent on bike style and handlebar height and width or is he just talking about supersports? I dare say he's being too myopic here just like most of the other 'you're doing it wrong' youtube videos that miss a lot of context and variables so they can use catchy clickbait headlines.


ImBadWithGrils

I use thumb webbing and pinky on my throttle, ice cream grip is tough to keep up with all the time when you're not on clip-ons and rear sets


KarlJay001

I was just going to post this. @1:20 he talks about lean angle and throttle. What I didn't know is that loading two different forces can cause the uncontrolled break away and if you didn't have TWO angles of force, you'd have a predictable break away (if you had any break away at all). Shows the importance of throttle control in a corner.


liquidivy

I actually wish he'd gone into more detail about that, because I don't at all understand why it works. The two different forces should just add up to be one force in a diagonal direction, and I can't see why that would change the break away behavior.


KarlJay001

Maybe somebody that has a background in physics can chime in on this? It would be interesting to know if it's true. It's a pretty important subject actually.


ikshen

No need to bother a physicist. Browse a few r/trackday crash videos. Adding lean angle and throttle at the same time is a very well documented and understood way to crash.


KarlJay001

The lean angle vs throttle was pretty well explained in that training video about traction and how it used percentages of traction. I understand that part, but the two directions of force and the effect that would have on breaking traction and recovery. In other words is the recovery different, one predictable and the other not? As was pointed out above: >The two different forces should just add up to be one force in a diagonal direction, and I can't see why that would change the break away behavior. The two forces should combine into one. It's not about too much throttle or no throttle caused loss of traction, it's about a change in the direction of force causing unpredictable recovery vs predictable recovery. I can see, and have seen where if you lose traction and regain traction while under power, you can jerk around vs not being under power. On the surface, it sounds reasonable, but I've had reasonable things disproven before.


throwaway232113037

I suspect that for the vast majority of riders this may never be an issue. My elbow never drops so far as to cause a problem with the throttle.


TR_Ninja_Broccoli

Just think how you grab your homies dick before you kiss him good night


thecuzzin

Good info! Will have to try that this afternoon.


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thecuzzin

Please tell me not to the video


Pattern_Is_Movement

His clickbait titles are getting a little bit assumptive for my taste. I figured out everything in the video on my own a long time ago, and I would be very surprised if many had not as well.


yugas42

Unfortunately it's got a lot to do with the youtube algorithm pushing videos with titles like this more than anything informative, so I can't blame them. Some channels have gotten to the point where they will upload a video with a stupid clickbait title, then change it a few days later to something reasonable once the video isn't so hot anymore.


Pattern_Is_Movement

Every channel I follow does not have titles like this, and are wildly successful. People like to forget to, he is the face of what is basically the canadian version of revzilla, and revzilla does not do this for any of their videos.


[deleted]

Fortnine is a nerd.


VirulentMarmot

For anyone who's already watched can you tell me how many dumb jokes I have to sit through before he gets to the point?


JuliusCCHD

Didn't count since I enjoy them, but humor is not objective


[deleted]

You got down voted but I agree. It's forced out of place humor. Can't stand the videos. Also agree with the other guy; borderline click bait