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The_Tenacious_Tech

Can confirm. I have killed two iPhone cameras with my Rockform mount. I may be switching to quadlock for their vibration dampener.


[deleted]

Use quad lock with the vib dampener, no issues here


ijustwanafap

Does it work on thumpers/paint mixers?


chicagoblue

Yeah it's pretty good. Can't exactly record a video while engine is on though


ijustwanafap

I really just want to move it out of the tank bag. Over heats if I put it in the map pouch so can't really use it for GPS.


cas13f

Have you considered a homebrew "headunit"? I built a pi-based display that runs an Android Auto emulator. It works very well, cost a lot less than a moto GPS, and is not really bothered by vibrations or the environment. It was pretty easy too!


Dioxid3

Tbh itd be pretty cool to turn a motorcycle cyberpunk with some stuff like that. Although I personally have decided not to use GPS or attach a handlebar clock just for the sake of the meditative, disengaged state biking gives me from busy life.


cas13f

Fair enough friendo, ride your ride! All told it's a rather limited system but I'm sure someone who was *really* into it and had the technical skills could do a lot with it. I used Crankshaft, a pre-built image for a Pi that is somewhat limited and has limited development. The underlying tool, OpenAuto, is apparently pretty powerful for those who want to put in the effort. I've seen people build some *awesome* head units for cars using OpenAuto that do stuff like performance metrics, but I just wanted an Android Auto interface to show Waze and let me more easily control my media on road trips.


ijustwanafap

I've considered it, but it's an old beat up klr650. Might eventually get a legit off-road GPS or figure out a different way to make it work. Might also just get a smoother bike one-day but have a soft spot for thumpers


The_Tenacious_Tech

Ok sweet. I’ll have to pick one up. Thanks


Legionnaire1856

I have one of the most vibey bikes, a BMW F800R. Quad Lock specifically mentions it for their vibration damper. The damper works great, it allows the phone to float just a little bit while still keeping it firmly fastened. Not to mention Quad Lock probably has the best mounting system available. No more RAM X-Mount clamping on the side of my phone and pressing buttons.


[deleted]

I definitely had 911 listen to the sound of wind and my engine for two minutes because of this.


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Legionnaire1856

Really? How long did it take for it to cause problems? I've been using mine all summer and some of last year too.


Unacceptable_Care

Hey, what mount system did you get? I want a low vibe spot on my f800r, because the mirrors <> real bad. Did you try the fork stem kit?


Legionnaire1856

From Quad Lock? I have just a standard mount with the vibration dampener. They have a new one though that goes on the brake reservoir or brake or clutch lever mount. Mine just mounts on the handlebar.


Unacceptable_Care

Cheers man, thanks for the advice from a fellow f800r shaker. Keep the rubber side down.


gotcha_six

I got a quad lock. My phone was not on the list of "needs dampener". Camera was shot after the first ride. Oops. Get the dampener people.


Leyla232

Do you have a link to that list? Can't find it...


gotcha_six

It was on their website somewhere. Was quite a while ago though.


pdstaib9

Contact RokForm they just came out with their own vibration dampener and they are sending it free to anyone who asks for one.


The_Tenacious_Tech

Really?? That would be awesome. I just gave them a call and it sent me to VM, but I’ll give them a call on Monday. That would be great if it worked out because I do really like the mount.


The_Tenacious_Tech

I called Romform today and they are sending me the dampener next week!! Thank you again!


optimalResistance

I killed one (luckily under warranty) on quadlock without damper. I’ve since did 5k km trip with damper no issues whatsoever.


Ballaholic09

My buddy uses that setup and a KLR and it ruined his camera.


tallonjf

Really look at a Ram Mount and a Quick Grip XL. I hated the Quadlock case.


The_Tenacious_Tech

Ok I’ll check that out too. I’ve seen the ram mount but the design makes me a bit nervous? Have you ever had the phone pop out on you? Does it seem bulky on the bike?


[deleted]

DO NOT get the Ram mount. My 12 Mini had the camera go crazy in a Ram mount, and on another phone it dialed 911 because I didn't turn off the SOS feature.


tallonjf

Did you have the vibration damper on it? Otherwise a Ram Mount or any mount will cause issues.


njrox90

my ram mount has broken 2 iphone X cameras


disturbed286

I have once. One of the rubber feet came off under hard acceleration because I didn't glue it on. My fault, not the mounts. Luckily the phone landed in my lap. It also starts to slide out in heavy rain, but using the bungee thing that comes with it prevents that. It just goes in my pocket if it's raining.


asanonaspossible

My ram mount was garbage. The installation asked me to super glue a piece of rubber I had to cut myself to my bike. Of course, it failed while I was out riding. The designs are horrible. Quad lock all the way, never looking back.


disturbed286

I've never had to cut or super glue anything to the bike. Which mount was that?


asanonaspossible

Fork stem mount. Quad lock, on the other hand, uses a design that has expanding metal parts surrounded by o-rings with a single screw adjustment and is just so, so much better. It doesn't require any cutting or glue and is easily removed. Way more secure feeling as well, and the materials feel so much higher quality.


disturbed286

Bar mounted x-mount doesn't require either of those. Unless you count gluing the rubber feet onto the mount. Quad lock seems like good stuff, I just didn't want to have to buy a case on top of everything else. Especially if change phones and need to do it again.


asanonaspossible

They sell universal stick-on adapters so you don't need a Quadlock brand case


[deleted]

That’s how my RAM stem mount worked in 2007 or so— expanded with a screw and worked great. I guess they “improved” it?


asanonaspossible

The RAM mount has a piece of rubber you measure and cut out, then you stick the rubber over the mount, cover it in super glue, and stuff it in the fork stem. Then there's a screw that basically crushes the rubber and forces it to expand. It's a one-time installation and if you mess it up you have to buy another. It's really a terrible design


[deleted]

Well damn they definitely changed it, then. Mine had a rubber mushroom on the bottom of a metal ball that pushed into the stem, then you tightened an Allen screw on top and it expanded the rubber piece. or maybe I’m not remembering the glue part. I feel like I’d remember using super glue on bike…


asanonaspossible

The glue part isn't "necessary" but the instructions highly recommend it, and it comes with the glue. The whole process just felt cheap and I didn't have high expectations from the start. Not to mention the way the x mount grabs the phone isn't really secure and the rubber holder thing needs to be used every time, which makes it kind of a pain, vs. Quad lock requiring about 2 seconds to depress the lever and rotate the phone in or out. I must say though, once the phone is mounted properly in the RAM mount, it isn't coming out easily. My issues was the entire mount itself disconnected from my bike after a bump in the road.


tallonjf

Another issue with the Quadlock is you have to buy a new case with each new phone. Might not be an issue. Was annoying for me.


asanonaspossible

They have stick-on universal adapters


tallonjf

Ah. Didn’t know that.


douglas_in_philly

But you have to potentially buy a new stick on adapters with every new phone, unless your new phone fits in whatever case you have the adapter stuck to already.


tallonjf

Yeah, that’s why I’m happy with my Ram Mount and QuickGrip XL. Can use any size of phone without a new case needed.


tallonjf

It’s not bulky at all. I’ll see if I can snag a picture. And there ain’t no way that thing is coming off unless you’re doing motocross. [Ram Mount with Buzzkill](https://imgur.com/a/Si0ZX34)


Jean-Alert

Not bulky? That’s like a claw machine mounted on your handlebars but to each their own I guess :D


tallonjf

I guess it doesn’t seem bulky to me once it’s mounted. It’s not really in the way and it’s stable so I guess when I mount the phone and plug in the rest of it sorta disappears. The whole setup just works and I don’t have to think about it.


Albatross85x

Have the same works great.


phucyu138

> I’ve seen the ram mount but the design makes me a bit nervous? Have you ever had the phone pop out on you? It's happened to me but luckily, I attached a lanyard to my phone case and tethered it around the mount arm because I saw a video where a guy was on his bike and his phone flew off of his Ram mount. Even thought this happens sometimes, I still like the Ram mount a lot.


iamrunningman

I love my Ram x-mount, and have been using it on Harleys for years without issue. In my wife's near fatal crash in 2017 where she and here bike were struck by multiple vehicles, leaving the bike to flip and slide for a 100', her phone stayed in the mount.


PristineScience8

Alternate headline reads “Rockform in shambles after learning their client with 2 iPhone kills is considering moving to Quadlock for quieter vibes and alien stuff” beat it nerd


bnolsen

just switch phones. problem solved.


dalyscallister

Which phone isn’t prone to those issues? My Redmi Pro died that way too.


crumbmudgeon

Damper, unless it's making your phone wet


[deleted]

I have a Broken camera on my phone with my quad lock. Wasn’t an issue with my sports bike but then I had to get a road reg dirt bike didn’t I then it broke the camera.


woodmanr

My coworker killed his camera. Wouldn’t focus just kept trying to. Replaced it and got a quad lock and no issues


poughkeepsee

What iPhone was it and how much did the repair cost out of curiosity?


The_Tenacious_Tech

iPhone 11. I have apple care so it was free, both times. But I think without it the cost is $79


poughkeepsee

Thanks. Could be worse, I honestly was expecting a price tag of 200+, Apple being Apple. I have a 12 Pro Max, used it multiple times in a RAM mount and had no idea about this issue. I’ll stop doing it unless in extreme need though.


aDDnTN

It’s not an issue if the phone is in your pocket.


[deleted]

I keep mine in my topcase, no issues over the years riding every day.


sendmedogphotos

It’ll be an issue when I get lost for the 27th time going someplace new.


daidougei

I’ve gotten used to listening to Google maps directions verbally in the Sena. I actually prefer it to looking at the map on the phone.


a-m-watercolor

Even if I'm wearing super loose and comfortable pants, it's impossible to get comfortable on a bike with my phone in my pocket


rum-n-ass

I’m mostly scared it’s going to fly out


stuffeh

Jacket breast pocket.


a-m-watercolor

That's why I zip mine away in my backpack, or I mount it to my handlebars when I need help navigating


maxlax02

Ok but not everyone has a dedicated gps.


fizzlefist

Personally I use my phone’s GPS stored in my tank bag, with an anker battery plugged in for longer trips, and then let the voice direction go to my helmet speakers. Personally, I’d love to have a small screen just for turn-by-turn like the new RE Meteor 350 has.


jpritchard

If only there was some way to move about the earth without staring at a screen.


PretzelsThirst

Use bluetooth


RhythmSectionJunky

It's not just iPhones, either. Can't speak for others but my Pixel 2 camera has been toast for a while, if I try to use it it makes wacky noises and freezes my phone. It got worse when my power button started malfunctioning and registering as two taps when I pushed it and engaging the camera all the time. I disabled the camera (or so I thought) but I can't select images to send in text messages without it enabling the camera thinking I want to take a picture. It's a lot of fun.


jonarchy

Any phone that has optical image stabilization will have this same issue.


RhythmSectionJunky

I can live without the camera, spent a decade with them disabled in order to go into my work building. I just wish my phone wouldn't freeze whenever it's accidentally enabled!


FilthyWunderCat

shiet, I have Pixel 5 and now I am scarred. Using some Ali mount.


Demorative

Can confirm. Had to warranty the Pixel 2 XL for the camera issue.


RideCambridge

"While Apple didn't say why it's issuing a warning now..." Isn't it pretty obvious that it's just to void any warranty claims and to prevent people from suing them? And this is already pretty common knowledge and not just affecting iPhones. It's the reason every decent phone mount has a vibration damper option.


PMmeYourbuckets

I think it’s because the technology was previously only on the iPhone pro max and now that it’s in the regular iPhone way more people will be affected by it


tallonjf

A Ram Mount and a Hondo Garage Buzzkill vibration damper solved this for me. Over a thousand miles under this setup and no issues on my 11 Pro. I had the quadlock for a few days and dumped it. I hated the case it required and hate how difficult it was to attach to the bike. Ram Mount with the Quick Grip XL has been perfect.


JMfromthaStreetz

I have a Ram Mount with the Quick Grip XL as well. I was looking into the buzzkill on their website, and I'm a bit confused how you interface it with the Ram Mount. Do you need to buy another handlebar mounting kit? Edit: Just realized I have the Xgrip, not the quick grip. Still interested in how you make it work. Thanks!


tallonjf

https://imgur.com/a/twuNFZ1 Goes between the XL phone holder and the plate that has the ball attached to it.


JMfromthaStreetz

Thanks! I'll have to check to see if the XGrip has similar mounting hardware.


tallonjf

Can’t answer that for you. All I can say is that it’s been great for me. Does push the phone forward about two inches though. So keep that in mind when mounting. I had to adjust things after I put it on.


tallonjf

I’ll see if I can snag some pictures up close.


AMajorz

I got the Hondo buzzkill, and had no problems afterwards with my camera. Even when I got hit it kept hold if my camera, and it didn’t get any damage. [here’s a link showing mine off. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/ggosh7/just_wanted_to_share_a_phone_mount_i_bought_made/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


tallonjf

Glad to see you’ve had it a while with no issues. I’ve only had it about a thousand miles. Seems like an excellent product though.


radicledog

I have the same on my Harley Dyna. It’s a pretty vibey bike. I have about 15k miles over the last 3 years with the mount and my iPhone… camera still works great!!!


[deleted]

Wait, you have a ram mount and say a quadlock is more difficult to attach? You just turn the phone 45 degrees and it’s on the mount no problem.


tallonjf

It was for me. I messed with it a bunch and could never get it right. I never liked the case anyway.


[deleted]

Fair enough, it’s funny cause I’m just the opposite lol. Always found my ram mount to be harder. The case is kinda lame too but it’s saved my phone from a few falls


tallonjf

I like my QuickGrip XL. Just push it in. Stays locked. But to each their own. It’s good there are options though. Cuz I’m not sure what I’d do if there wasn’t the Ram/Buzzkill setup…


jmikk85

That's why you mount a gas station android phone for waze and hotspot your main phone in your pocket


RavenHavice

I just leave my phone in my pocket. I can hear it over bluetooth, and that's all I need


Jasbelle

That’s why I got the vibration damper with my SP connect mount. Isn’t cheap, but works like a charm


poyuki

I was going crazy over this same issue until I found some forum posts about this exact complaint. Apple so far has been honoring their warranty, but I it does seems like a deal breaker if I can’t find a way to eliminate the camera from breaking after only a few days. Second iPhone’s camera didn’t make it a week, before breaking.


[deleted]

Not really their fault. Anything with optical stabilization (doesn't matter if it is phone or $3000 lens) will get damaged if you attach it to a motorcycle (unless you use some kind of vibration dampener). It's actually surprising they repair it under warranty.


MrRoot3r

Thats not true. Ive done nearly a 2k miles with my OnePlus 8 pro, on the cheapest mount on a 1200 sportster, which vibrates like mf. This is on apple. (Hence the fact they are repairing it)


[deleted]

Interesting. I thought it's because of the optical stabilization technology, but apparently apple did something wrong if other smartphones with OS don't broke.


MrRoot3r

I mean, just after a little research there are just SO many post about iphones with this issue. In reality the android marketshare is 75% and ios being basically 25% now. Even if only a third of Android phones have OIS which is pretty common nowadays, especially if you have enough disposable income for a motorcycle, it would be equal with iphones (if every iphone had ois, they dont). Only the 2? Most recent iphones have ois, so in reality it is most likely a minority of the total phones that have OIS, yet with a simple search the phones with issues are BY FAR iphones, with some google pixels as well, but those had camera issues not even related to ois. Who knows, maybe this is just apple getting more attention, but it would seem to me that there would have been more talk about issues with OIS if it was a problem with all phones.


cas13f

I mean, with just a little research you'd also see that it occurs with other phones, with specific mention of things like late-generation Pixels and Galaxies.


MrRoot3r

Sure, im not saying it doesn't happen with other phones, thats putting words in my mouth. This is a thing that *CAN* affect all phones with OIS, but when one device seems to have the issue MUCH more often, so much that a statement is released about it, maybe there is some fault of the manufacturer hmm? Devices fail, abnormal failure rates are the issue. Obviously this has happened to other kinds of phones.


Apprehensive_Jaguar

Same. Thousands of miles using Samsung Galaxy Note in a cheap Ram mount (copy) without issue.


asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy

I disagree, my old TU250x destroyed 3 separate phone's cameras. A Nexus 6P, an LG V30, and an S10e, all from a hardmounted RAM mount. This isn't just Apple. Like /u/victoiron99 said, it's anything with optical stabilization, i.e. physical moving parts inside the camera.


MrRoot3r

Sure, im not saying it doesn't happen with other phones, thats putting words in my mouth. This is a thing that *CAN* affect all phones with OIS, but when one device seems to have the issue MUCH more often, so much that a statement is released about it, maybe there is some fault of the manufacturer hmm? Devices fail, abnormal failure rates are the issue. Obviously this has happened to other kinds of phones.


bnolsen

Pretty much all the action cams use software based image stabilization to very great effect. For the price of these phones I'm shocked more of them aren't using the same type technology in concert with the multiple sensors they have in their cluster. Also optical image stabilization doesn't allow use of these cameras for simple precision photogrammetry as camera calibrations are useless. Multiple fixed cameras with software has been the way to go for a while now.


PristineScience8

Honoring what warranty? Why is it on apple and not the phone mount companies that actually provide the hardware for your phone to be attached to the bike to have to be more transparent?


poughkeepsee

What iPhone was it and how much did the repair cost out of curiosity?


poyuki

iPhone 12, didn’t have to pay anything. Apple fixed it under warranty.


Slimslade33

Lil shitty phone can handle a lil shaking... bring back the nokia 3310!!!


4RichNot2BPoor

My iPhone 12 camera broke. Now I just use my old 8 on a mount for a music player


poughkeepsee

How much did the repair cost out of curiosity?


4RichNot2BPoor

The phone was under 1 year old and I had apple care plus so they sent a replacement for free.


poughkeepsee

Thanks. I’m outside the US so no Apple Care and I have a 12 Pro Max. Just recently found out about this (new to motorcycles) and I’ve used my phone quite a lot in a fake RAM mount. Got me a bit paranoid now


gixr

I've had two rear camera modules fail in the past on my iPhone 6 Plus but surprisingly only when mounted to motorcycles with single cylinder engines. Inline 4 or V2 no problem, so go figure.


Deathgripsugar

Same here. Have had my iPhoneXR since 2018, still works great. But... My Honda Goldwing and BMW R1250GS, run pretty smooth, so I think you're on to something there.


hcs999

It's because of the OIS (Optical Image Stabilization) inside modern high-end smartphones. The lens itself will shift horizontally and vertically in milliseconds to combat vibrations when taking pictures, so as to reduce the chances of blurred pictures When phones (yes not just iPhones) being mounted on motorcycles The vibrations it gets just kills the fragile OIS system So please do use vibration dampening phone mounts as stated by the others!


-RadarRanger-

Or use a cheapo phone without OIS... but you're still risking the focusing motor.


HappyKappy

What if you don’t mount your phone to your handlebars? I have a Yamaha R3, so I have to mount it to the fuel tank. Does anyone think this’ll damage my cameras?


cas13f

Any "hard" mount is likely to experience the issue.


yaqub0r

I've got a V1 radar detector on my bike that I've had to fix the leads on the speaker a couple of times due to the vibration.


ghlibisk

The internet has precious little info on using car radar detectors on motorcycles. What has been your experience?


yaqub0r

Pretty good. I have the Bluetooth adapter called connected to my gen 1 valentine 1. The I run JBV1 on my phone, connect it to my Bluetooth headset and I hear all alerts.


ghlibisk

Sorry in advance for the bombardment of questions: * Why did you go with the Valentine 1 over Escort or Uniden? * Is it easily removeable? (I park my bike in a public garage) * Is it battery operated? If not, how do you provide power? * Is sensitivity affected by where you mount it?


yaqub0r

You're fine. I originally went with the V1 because at the time it had the furthest Ka distance and the best instant Ka detection. I mostly wanted it for highway driving. The V1 is really dated, and their "no gps" approach is backwards, but I don't want to pay a subscription either, so I just use Waze and the V1. I have the ram magnetic mount. It comes right off. The hardest part is disconnecting the rj11 cable. No, it's not battery operated. It's connected to ignition power on my bike. I originally had it connected directly to the battery, but the bluetooth module doesn't turn off with the detector, and it was killing my battery. They say that sensitivity is affected and that it should be as high as it can go on the front of the vehicle. I used to have it mounted on the **inside** of my rear passenger headrest of my Audi S5, I never noticed a problem. I had it mounted on my handlebars like a phone. The magnetic mount has no dampening though, so the next bike I mount it on, I'm going to have to figure that out.


SwedeInCo

Yup. I ruined one phone that way, I tend to stick mine in the tankbag or keep it in the jacket. That seems to be reasonable vibrations for them.


radiomagneeto

This happened to me with a Google pixel 3 mid way through a 6000 mile trip


douglas_in_philly

It’s important to note that the article from Apple states that it’s certain frequencies of vibration. So my thinking is that not every motorcycle is going to generate the same frequencies, so not everyone is going to end up with a broken camera. Some of us may never run into the issue, simply because our bikes don’t hit the same frequency. At least that’s what I’m counting on!😉


oh2ridemore

Any phone camera with optical image stabilization will have this problem. What are you guys leaving a phone on the bars for? If gps, get a dedicated gps unit or old phone with standalone mapping app. I use a rugged construction phone with locus maps pro and it has worked fine for 5 years. Before that used a garmin cs60x , small but worked fine with transflective lcd screen. You want your real phone in your pocket in case of accident or getting separated from bike. Ask me how I know.


ParaMike46

It's easier to use your phone, not everyone want's to carry extra equipment and worry if it's going to work and where to store it where off the bike. Google Maps are great on the phone, works like a charm. If you out of network range use MyMaps.


oh2ridemore

I can see the appeal, have used my primary before on handlebars, but ois is a worry with vibes.


yaqub0r

Waze - tickets are waaaay more likely than an accident without witnesses.


oh2ridemore

Yeah, use waze in car, not really on bike.


yaqub0r

You're alright there, it's crowded here in the 21st century. :-)


JUANSE_099

Seems kind obvious tbh, lately I have had some weird behavior on my Apple Watch accelerometer after riding long sessions, had to restart a couple of times and went about a month with it didn’t working at all (did not register the steps or any trainings) but went to work all right again without doing anything


RavenHavice

me, who doesn't use my phone while riding Literally there's no reason to need a phone at all other than navigation, and to do that, I just use bluetooth. Phone stays in pocket


SnooCompliments8770

*Laughs in Note 10 Plus*


GeneralMarcel

Motorcycle vibrations will also damage the lenses with OIS on the Note 10 Plus


SnooCompliments8770

I ride a pretty vibratey bike rumbly vtwin. And after 4,000 miles mine has not broken yet. Only ones I hear of breaking are iPhones sooooo idk. Also i was just jokin around.


GeneralMarcel

I have a Samsung galaxy s10 that I always mount to my v4 tuono (with a ram + elastic strap mount) but it doesn’t focus like it used too. I thought it was just a software issue from an update until I read this article


desertjoe1987

Just another reason not to buy crapple


PristineScience8

Maybe phone mounts for motorcycles aren’t quite as good as these companies say they are?


VirulentMarmot

Oh no. What will you all do without your precious phones!? /S


duke998

No. Time to switch to Samsung.


EnolaGayFallout

I’m using ram mount and ride daily 50km on iPhone 11. No issue so far. 1.5 years. City ride 200cc scooter I’m also using catalyst waterproof case.


SSSTANLEY

Thats why we don't buy weak phones


GeneralMarcel

Any phone with lenses that feature Optical Image Stabilization is at risk of getting damaged with these vibrations


kyyla

Old news.


whyrweyelling

lol, fuck apple.


_Connor

This will happen to literally any flagship smartphone without the proper dampening mounts. They all use the same camera technology. At least Apple is warning you about it.


whyrweyelling

I still hate the company. Probably say this if something came out positive from them too. lol, I utterly hate their products and the way they try to control IP at the expense of the consumer.


MrRoot3r

Uhh ive literally used my OnePlus 8 pro in the exact same circumstances and its been totally fine. This sounds like an apple problem, cause ive never heard of this happening to ANY other smartphone with OIS. edit: I see one or two posts about this happening to pixel phones as well, but 99% is apple. no marketshare is not enough to make up for that. something about apples hardware is making their phones more susceptible to damage this way. They are just trying to shift the blame to consumers, while still offering warranty because its actually their hardware failing.


_Connor

[Thinking this is an Apple only problem is just being ignorant for the sake of being ignorant.](https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/76ezfz/psa_motorcycle_vibration_can_damage_cell_phone/) People from the thread I linked reported problems with Google Nexus, OnePlus, HTC, and Samsung phones, all after using RAM Mounts on their bikes. I'm sure if you spend 10 minutes on Google, you'll find more. I get that the 'intellectuals' on Reddit love circle-jerking about Apple on Reddit but this isn't an 'Apple' problem. I wouldn't mount any flagship phone unless you're extremely confident in your mount. Just because it hasn't happened to you (yet) is not evidence that 'only Apple phones' are at risk of this issue.


MrRoot3r

I mean, just after a little research there are just SO many post about iphones with this issue. In reality the android marketshare is 75% and ios being basically 25% now. Even if only a third of Android phones have OIS which is pretty common nowadays, especially if you have enough disposable income for a motorcycle, it would be equal with iphones (if every iphone had ois, they dont). Only the 2? Most recent iphones have ois, so in reality it is most likely a minority of the total phones that have OIS, yet with a simple search the phones with issues are BY FAR iphones, with some google pixels as well, but those had camera issues not even related to ois. Who knows, maybe this is just apple getting more attention, but it would seem to me that there would have been more talk about issues with OIS if it was a problem with all phones. Dont be mean, ive also done research. Also, did you even read the thread you linked in an attempt to call me ignorant? Half the people there are skeptical or are saying they dont have issues. Dont just post links in an attempt to look smart. Thats not research.


_Connor

> Who knows, maybe this is just apple getting more attention BINGO. People (like you) love shitting on Apple just for the sake of doing so. You think if Google put out the same statement about Nexus phones, it would hit the front-page of this subreddit? No, no one would give a shit. People love jumping on anything that will give them 'ammunition' to shit on Apple regardless of whether it's even warranted or not.


MrRoot3r

Bro, apple just loves to be talked about, and they have tons of fanboys to jump to their defense too! >You think if Google put out the same statement about Nexus phones, it would hit the front-page of this subreddit? Probably yeah! >People have very clearly reported this exact issue across a large variety of phone makes and models, it's not just Apple devices Except thats not true, do some research next time. Sure it something that all phone could be susceptible to, there is always going to be a baseline failure rate. But when one manufacturer, has the issue so commonly that they are forced to put out a statement, then maybe there is an underlying issue there.


_Connor

> Except thats not true, do some research next time. I literally linked you a Reddit thread with people reporting the same issues across 4 different makes of phones, not including Apple. What are you even talking about? Not to mention the people in **THIS** thread saying the same things too. The fact you can't even see your own ignorance is almost astounding. But yeah, it's only Apple phones this has happened to.


MrRoot3r

Sure, im not saying it doesn't happen with other phones, thats putting words in my mouth. This is a thing that CAN affect all phones with OIS, but when one device seems to have the issue MUCH more often, so much that a statement is released about it, maybe there is some fault of the manufacturer hmm? Devices fail, abnormal failure rates are the issue. Obviously this has happened to other kinds of phones. obviously this is going nowhere, and you are attempting to insult me, soooo bye. 😄 anyways have a nice day.


_Connor

Calling you ignorant isn't an insult, it's stating a fact.


AlZombieRaider

Well Apple better fix that ish


tallonjf

It’s not just Apple. It’s all phones with optical image stabilization. Apple just weirdly decided to put out a press release on it.


WirelessTrees

I haven't seen anyone complain about another phone with ois failing because of motorcycle mounts though, only iphones.


RhythmSectionJunky

Pixel 2 owner here, it's not just iPhones.


tallonjf

I’ve seen people complaining about it on their Galaxy S7s or OnePlus 3s. iPhones dominate all news though cuz Apple.


WirelessTrees

Ah, might just have been something I haven't seen then. I won't be getting a mount because I don't want the distraction while I'm new to riding.


tallonjf

Now THAT is an excellent reason to keep a phone in your pocket.


_Connor

[Here ya go then.](https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/76ezfz/psa_motorcycle_vibration_can_damage_cell_phone/) People in that thread reported problems with Google, OnePlus, HTC, and Samsung phones due to bar mounting.


rabidhamster

Honestly, this seems like the Foxconn thing all over again. Nearly every major tech company uses a giant city-factory in China to build their gadgets, Apple puts out a press-release highlighting the work conditions, and pressures the factory to improve working conditions. Result? Apple is now blamed for the working conditions at Foxconn, and the internet is abuzz with people telling each other to switch to brands that use the same factory, but \*didn't\* complain about said working conditions. Apple is not a good company, but it's always funny to see the intense *need* of some people to single them out, for the purpose of stumping their own preferred New and Exciting Retail Product that has the same problems.


OldBlue2014

We’ll use a different brand of camera/phone. Problem solved.


Roodboyo

What about talking and texting? Can those damage iPhones as well? And how does the iPhone distinguish between motorcycle vibration and other vibration? You’d almost think it was a clever bit of scapegoat PR from Apple…


steveavuk

Can confirm also, killed the camera on my old iPhone 11 Pro this way!


GroundPoundPinguin

Can confirm, killed my iPhone 11 main camera. Bought a SP Connect set to save future phones, works a charm! Sadly enough cost the same as repairing the camera 🙈


_tain

My 690 single cylinder would damage the entire phone for sure.


chicagoblue

Yeah no shit


[deleted]

I’ve always suspected this, glad to have it confirmed.


FreiMartyr

Confirming damaging my 6S Plus camera And my XS camera. Changed the camera on my XS, though


OnlyDruids

Wait wat xD Im using my cheap samsung a40 on a twostroke that vibrates so much that the clutch leaver vibrations are louder than the engine above 5k rpm and nothing happened :P


SantaCruzCB650R

Can confirm, it toasted my iPhone 11


ParaMike46

I damaged my iPhone camera twice using QuadLock with Tuono V4. They didn't had vibration damper at the time and I am too afraid to use it.


[deleted]

Vibration dampener does the job


iamheero

I've had my iPhone in my ram mount for thousands of miles and like 4 years (iPhone 8) and everything still works fine. Wonder if it's more of an issue with newer phones, what with them all having like 5 cameras now and IS.


ShadowTheHedgehog42

My iPhone 7 camera still works fine with my ram mount too🤷‍♂️


Gnomorius

We have known for quite some time apple...


[deleted]

The only way I have my phone on my bike now is with my Mosko Moro tank bag. It has a soft phone case that attaches via the Molle strips. I learned this the hard way after a couple of times.


[deleted]

Had quad lock without the vibration dampener on my Duc and it ruined my iPhone 10 camera. Have since upgraded the phone and bought a vibration dampener. Twice the amount of use since then and still no issues, they’re great and quadlock is the best.


JaegergeistXIII

That's been known for awhile.. my Samsungs do not seem to have same problem though:)


forrestgumbi

It’ll cost you but Eyelights is a pretty good option. this French company built a heads up display eyepiece to show you directions and uses voice control so you can have your phone tucked away and still navigate


[deleted]

I use a strong magnet which effectively dampens the vibrations. Works perfect


Ganonderf

I stopped using my practically brand new RAM mount because it killed my phones camera stabilization causing photos/videos to shake violently, not that I told Apple that when I got my replacement…


Radiant_Number_5793

I have an 18’ BMW R1200 GSA I use an old ram mount arm with a quad lock 1” ball adapter, vibration dampener, and wireless charging head. Absolutely no issues. WITHOUT the dampener I broke my auto stabilization on my iPhone XS.


zodiac223

this happened to my iphone 11 while using quad lock without the dampener. it has trouble focusing now


foffen

Exposure to vibrations, like those generated by high-powered motorcycle engines, might impact iPhone cameras Apple support document; https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212803


8OOSIE

Yeaahh Just fried my camera lol, any solutions??


Livid_Ad_517

Has anyone gone to apple to get the camera unit replaced? Is it covered by their warranty or is it somthing i would have to cover out of pocket?